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| woah. things should get intense from here on out. will they cliche it and let regina and agari both live or kill regina...hmmm... |
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| am I the only one who notice the 2 remaining Sins that might not appear in the series. |
| I am so satisfied that I was more or less right about the reveal in kids show! HA. I'm quite happy with how is the finale playing for the time being. Mana's cheesy speeches are still as needed as fist to the face (also kinda shows she's a self-centered jerk sometimes - who cares about asking Regina what she thinks,duh), but that's only a detail. I would be content if Regina died for the cause (I'd bawl like a baby) but it'd probably be too hardcore. Too be honest I can't see how they want to fix it without one or the other dying and make it a happy ending for majority of folks: Aguri = Marie Ange so it's either the girls losing a friend or Jonathan losing his beloved. And I'm not even talking about Mana's incoming despair if something happened to Regina... There is a very big chance to make the ending bittersweet, not sure if Toei feels ballsy enough to go that route. Well, I'm fine either way, as long as they make the finale as solid as the last two episodes were. am I the only one who notice the 2 remaining Sins that might not appear in the series. Yeeeah. Wonder if they are going to make last minute entrance (hope not) or forever remain those two Sins who died during Trump Kingdom siege or whetever your head-canon is telling you. |
| I'm just gonna wait for ZettaiRyouiki or w/e to tear this apart since I can't put into words what a load of bullshit this entire episode was. I mean I called all of it like 20 episodes back (we all did) but.. WHY. |
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ihateeveryone said: I'm just gonna wait for ZettaiRyouiki or w/e to tear this apart since I can't put into words what a load of bullshit this entire episode was. Thank you! But honestly I didn't mind this episode that much. The only thing I really didn't like was Mana getting the whole speech and stuff, but that's par per the course for the series and the franchise. Well, okay, the reveal itself is kind of "duh" in general, other than Ange's dad being King Selfish even if that is obvious in retrospect. Also, I love how they had the Eternal Golden Crown being basically a plug. Hey, Trump Kingdomians, you have a crown that grants absolute knowledge; instead of using it as a plug, use its knowledge to make a better plug. Because this one wasn't working very well. For that matter, the other thing that bugged me; the King saves his daughter and that is the ULTIMATE act of Selfishness. What. Okay, it's technically the fact he put his daughter over his kingdom, but it still feels a bit strong to call selfish an act made for SOMEONE ELSE, let alone the ultimate act. And as said the crown was a bad plug anyway, that was bound to happen sooner or later. In general it feels like this plot point wasn't too well thought of, kind of bad since it's basically the backbone to THE ENTIRE SERIES. Also, a minor nitpick but Leva and Gula were on the Trump Kingdom conquering. Considering how the show didn't even HINT they existed before episode 23 this reeks of lazy retcon. I won't even ask how can Marie Ange literally break her heart or how can Regina break through dimensions Boo-style; it's just a thing they do, move along, be glad the show is almost over. Also they have to defeat about five enemes in three episodes; pacing! Well, okay, that one is a Cure standard since Fresh, but that is no excuse. Last thing: HAH HAH, I CALLED AI-CHAN WAS A MARIE ANGE EGG, NOW SOMEONE GET A DIGIVICE. |
| I think they are playing the ambiguity of that choice a little differently. Marie Ange is HIS daughter and thus his "personal" joy and happiness. What people from his kingdom lose when she's dead? Well, they would probably be sad for some time, build her a monument and that's it, kingdom is still intact and prosperous. Unless the king goes mad from losing another close person, but let's say he doesn't. I'd say that sacrificing his daughter in exchange for his kingdom's hapiness is actually incredibly generous. Not to mention he KNEW he's endangering the whole realm, but he still went and retrieved the crown and we saw how did that end - on the other hand Marie Ange = part of the kingdom, so he let her live to endanger her yet again. Yeah, there is no winning solution here (the choice is just too cruel) and I expect them to build the series finale around that moral (which they already stated with Ange's tearing her heart apart). ZettaiRyouiki said: I love how they had the Eternal Golden Crown being basically a plug. Hey, Trump Kingdomians, you have a crown that grants absolute knowledge; instead of using it as a plug, use its knowledge to make a better plug. In theory the plug was good. Who knew that king's daughter will fall so ill that no known medicine would be able to cure her? And why touch something that's doing its job just fine? On the other hand they could use its power to make their kingdom even more prosperous but maybe it has status of "so good and amazing, no mortal should use it on regular basis", who knows. |
Ciara said: In theory the plug was good. Who knew that king's daughter will fall so ill that no known medicine would be able to cure her? And why touch something that's doing its job just fine? But the sealed evil in it was clearly oozing out, talked out to the king and managed to talk him into breaking the seal; that's not what a good plug does. Hell, there's even the chance it was said sealed evil what made Marie Ange ill, which would make the Eternal Golden Crown an even worse plug. |
| I got the impression that the evil oozed out because it sensed king's inner conflict. And judging from the fact they placed it in the basement, nobody was allowed there/went there in the first place so it didn't have chance to release itself. At least that's what I gathered from that scene. |
Ciara said: I got the impression that the evil oozed out because it sensed king's inner conflict. And judging from the fact they placed it in the basement, nobody was allowed there/went there in the first place so it didn't have chance to release itself. At least that's what I gathered from that scene. Fair enough for the second. For the first that STILL makes it a bad plug; it shouldn't be able to sense or do a thing, that's the whole point of sealing. |
| Ok so... it's Suite again and as it didn't work there, it also doesn't here. Why can't we go back to bad guys being just bad guys? Like it was till YPC 5. Ok backstory was interesting to see - nothing special but ok. I did like this idea of crown as plug, not smartest one but ok, it would be great if introduced earlier. Ange running away from her problems was weird - like she was saying: deal with those problems while I take a nap or something. and Mana :/ "we will show them how we feel" - WTF was that?! Bring back Black with her ability to plan or Nozomi with reality warper but I do hope next will have some normal type of leader. |
| Okay but how come the King guy had to literally break the seal in order to get the knowledge from the crown? Obviously just touching it can grant the knowledge? Why couldnt he just do that...? |
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| To give a 4 or 5. I do not know I did quite like it though. Doki is keeping pretty strong at this point while I liked a lot of things of Smile more, Smile started to repeat itself and downed itself. Doki is doing good keep it pretty solid and keeping things a bit interesting. Blah'd though when it mention other "cures" and didn't show any sign of them besides "Sword" even though they were mentioned. I really still don't understand how Sword is the only one that survived. Maybe they will release a full movie based on the whole attack and what happened? |
RPGX_Omega said: Wasn't that part about those 3 (?) legendary who left crown, spear and tablet? Blah'd though when it mention other "cures" and didn't show any sign of them besides "Sword" even though they were mentioned. I really still don't understand how Sword is the only one that survived. Maybe they will release a full movie based on the whole attack and what happened? They seemed to live long time before Sword, at least if I recall what was in desert island/badass turtle episode. |
Dalek-baka said: Ok so... it's Suite again and as it didn't work there, it also doesn't here. Why can't we go back to bad guys being just bad guys? Like it was till YPC 5. This. This. A million times this. And at least half the villains in Fresh were evil to the end, in Suite even freaking Noise got converted. Laaaaame. Dalek-baka said: and Mana :/ "we will show them how we feel" - WTF was that?! Bring back Black with her ability to plan or Nozomi with reality warper but I do hope next will have some normal type of leader. Sadly the description for Megumi makes her sound like Mana 2 :/. Unfortunately she's the most popular one, you see. RPGX_Omega said: Doki is keeping pretty strong at this point while I liked a lot of things of Smile more, Smile started to repeat itself and downed itself. Uh, no offense, but Doki is repetitive as hell too. We had THREE cycles of the girls getting new attacks one at a time, most of which were barely if never used after said episode. At the risk of being repetitive myself Rosetta Balloon was introduced as "A different thing comes out each time!" and she never used it again, thus ruining the point. Also there are THREE different combination attacks. Three! Dalek-baka said: RPGX_Omega said: Wasn't that part about those 3 (?) legendary who left crown, spear and tablet? Blah'd though when it mention other "cures" and didn't show any sign of them besides "Sword" even though they were mentioned. I really still don't understand how Sword is the only one that survived. Maybe they will release a full movie based on the whole attack and what happened? They seemed to live long time before Sword, at least if I recall what was in desert island/badass turtle episode. Yeah, this. The only one we saw was Cure Empress, who had some pink bits. Even on flashbacks, Pink Cure Bias! |
| Well, finally this pre cure series is getting interesting and all about Regina's and Madoka's past makes sense. And the story too. |
| Great episode. I enjoyed it, info dump. I always laugh at the comments here, they are kinda ridiculous. No children's show is that deep. Its kinda like complaining that Spongebob Squarepants isn't deep enough. For a Precure anime its decent. Not the best, not the worst. Just alright. |
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zansabarshadow said: Great episode. I enjoyed it, info dump. I always laugh at the comments here, they are kinda ridiculous. No children's show is that deep. Its kinda like complaining that Spongebob Squarepants isn't deep enough. For a Precure anime its decent. Not the best, not the worst. Just alright. Spongebob Squarepants isn't telling an ongoing plot. Dokidoki is. Dokidoki is also making an extra effort as far Cure shows go to have more plot, so it deserves extra focus on that regard. And if it does a bad job then it deserves criticizing, since it fails to live to its main gimmick, that being a Cure show with a bigger emphasis on plot. No offense, but these kind of comments don't really help at all, if anything they hurt your posture. Acting like a show for children can be excused for gaping plotholes, rampant idiocy or ridiculous character bias is just patronizing. A story is a story, no matter its audience, and it needs to be seen as such. If anything, the fault here would be Toei's for trying to tell a story too large for them. And on an unrelated note I'd like to see why is "decent" for a Cure anime. Just about every other season but Smile and maybe Suite has better fights, a plot that doesn't crumble from its own weight and isn't as Pink Cure-biased. And Smile at least does its own thing. Dokidoki is just lower end as far the franchise goes, thanks to its abuse of introducing a bajillion new moves that then get reused like once at most, combination attack spam, more plot threads that you can shake a stick at and that get tied up poorly IF they get tied up, cast economy at its finest giving a "closed world" feeling and Mana being an obnoxious pink super-awesome girl who is never wrong and does everything that matters super well and is loved by everyone. At least Hibiki was an idiot and didn't have a love interest save possibly Kanade. |
| Well, Again, Regina isn't evil anymore. |
| The reveal came too late for me. The girls didn't even understand the real situation in the kingdom that they were fighting to protect for 45 episodes. That is so dumb. By this point I just don't care anymore. Also, you would think that to save her father, Regina would work with the precure. King Selfishness isn't /really/ her dad, but her dad possessed by evil energy. Purifying him would be the best solution for everyone. Also, when King Selfishness and Regina went to destroy the human world...why? They are already the only two people living in the Trump Kingdom. Why do they need to go destroy a different world? There isn't a reason lol. |
| Nice info dumb episode. Everything was explained. Now the final battle can begin. |
SerafosFeb 21, 1:12 AM
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