| Sorry for my english I am French. I'm surprised not to find people reacting to the fact that the backgrounds of episodes 1, 3 and 4 are generated by AI. Are you satisfied with the result? Episode 4 examples :   |
VoyageurMay 8, 3:26 PM
Voyageur said: reacting to the fact I saw no such official announcement... can you share the source please ? |
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| None of these even remotely look like AI. And you have all of Shinji Kimura's other works to see that dense, industrial type of settings are his area of expertise. |
| aw hell na we are not going to start to discredit shinji kimura's work with AI allegations |
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| I don’t think you have a single clue on what you’re even talking about. |
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| It's not AI. Believe me, I know what's is like when AI is involved. |
| Now I'm interested. I'm not sure they're using AI backgrounds, but that's not the point in my opinion. Let's consider they are. Would that make the anime less interesting or enjoyable if they were? I was around at the beginning of CGI and people were saying the same stuff "(I'm never gonna watch a CGI anime, I swear, it's destroying creativity and animators' jobs!"), and now every anime uses CGI and people still watch it, even though, frankly, CGI doesn't come close in terms of quality to hand drawn animation. But I get it, it's cheaper for studios, anime fans are relatively young and don't care too much about quality most of the time, is used to it by now, so nobody complains anymore. Would that make that much of a difference if you knew that Kaijuu's backgrounds were made through AI? Palworld used AI and infringed on Nintendo's IP in the process and millions of people still played it, right? Will every anime use AI in a few years (my guess is yes, by the way)? |
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| Didn't notice at all, shit's pretty good already. |
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Voyageur said: Sorry for my english I am French. I'm surprised not to find people reacting to the fact that the backgrounds of episodes 1, 3 and 4 are generated by AI. Are you satisfied with the result? Episode 4 examples :  please be so kind and go hump a cactus 😌 |
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Voyageur said:
Sorry for my english I am French. I'm surprised not to find people reacting to the fact that the backgrounds of episodes 1, 3 and 4 are generated by AI. Are you satisfied with the result?
Episode 4 examples :
Sorry for my english I am French. I'm surprised not to find people reacting to the fact that the backgrounds of episodes 1, 3 and 4 are generated by AI. Are you satisfied with the result?
Episode 4 examples :
please be so kind and go hump a cactus 😌
| @Mr_Sai For what ? When was I insulting to you? I'm not debating the quality of the story, I'm having a great time watching this anime. The character animation is excellent and the hero is very fun. I'm just talking about a technical point that will condition the animation industry in the future, and whether it's progress or not. If this question doesn't interest you, don't insult me ^^ I thought no one was talking about it but in the end after recent research tonight many of us think it's AI. And here a lot of people doesn't think it's AI. So it's intesresting I Think. |
| even if true i do not care since ai is just a new tool to make more animation fast |
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even if true i do not care since ai is just a new tool to make more animation fast
@deg Maybe later the tech will be very good. It's sure in fact. But for now you have amazing tree behind the weird big car and in front of the bulding in the same time. And it's just a focus, this is happening everywhere in the background. It's why I paused during my episodes because I was feeling so wrong details. |
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@Mr_Sai For what ? When was I insulting to you? I'm not debating the quality of the story, I'm having a great time watching this anime. The character animation is excellent and the hero is very fun. I'm just talking about a technical point that will condition the animation industry in the future, and whether it's progress or not. If this question doesn't interest you, don't insult me ^^
I thought no one was talking about it but in the end after recent research tonight many of us think it's AI. And here a lot of people doesn't think it's AI. So it's intesresting I Think.
I thought no one was talking about it but in the end after recent research tonight many of us think it's AI. And here a lot of people doesn't think it's AI. So it's intesresting I Think.
| @Voyageur I'd suggest doing your research and comparing a lot of hand draw traditional and digital art to AI generated images before starting a topic like this... |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
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| @Oongbuh damn the main thread is convincing its generative ai in some parts https://twitter.com/TheArtGun/status/1786949121276072405 but ye im fine with it as long as it still looks good since to me ai is just another tool |
| 1. How do you know? 2. Why is that a problem to anyone? |
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| Seems about as credible as the Palworld AI allegations. |
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@Merve2Love It's obvious for me and for other people. Again I didn't start this alone before asking people do you think is human drawing or AI? But for some other people here not. So ok I will capture more images and explain the issues. So it's AI or the backgrounds artists are terribles : /
I will explain more tomorrow if people want to read a huge euh, don't konw in english, paving stone when in french we write a lot. But basically the long-term problem is the impoverishment of artistic direction. If we train fewer people in drawing because there are fewer positions available then the AI will only be trained on past content. There will be no more progress. Or it will only revolve around a few artistic directors. But again less variety.
I will explain more tomorrow if people want to read a huge euh, don't konw in english, paving stone when in french we write a lot. But basically the long-term problem is the impoverishment of artistic direction. If we train fewer people in drawing because there are fewer positions available then the AI will only be trained on past content. There will be no more progress. Or it will only revolve around a few artistic directors. But again less variety.
| @Voyageur What? How does this answer any of my questions?^^ It's no biggie, imo. And we don't know if this is actually AI stuff or not. |
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@DigiCat I'm not particularly targeting you but you're the last one to ask me to open my eyes / do resarch, sorry. I did not want to argue from authority and experience but only base myself on calm and polite debate. But ok. I am an amateur artist who has been drawing for 20 years and making digital art for 8 years. I don't claim to be a pro but I know how to draw. Former art historian and archaeologist specializing in Roman and medieval architecture. Passionate about modern painting from the Renaissance to today and in particular all that is urban painting. So studying the backgrounds in anime has been my passion for so long. Are there filters? Digital art? Traditional? 3D? That's why I immediately saw that there was a problem here and wanted to discuss it. Since everyone tells me that I don't know how to see, without talking about their experiences, you will all have to explain to me what knowledge you have that is beyond me. Because almost no one discussed the substance and the problems that I pointed out. And that's what interests me, the arguments, not asking me to adjust my glasses.
And a little exercise that I like to do. Go to Deviant Art and find the AI-generated images before clicking on them and confirming it. 9/10 I'm right.
But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I don't have a crusade to win. I'm just waiting to be proven wrong with interest if that's the case.
And a little exercise that I like to do. Go to Deviant Art and find the AI-generated images before clicking on them and confirming it. 9/10 I'm right.
But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I don't have a crusade to win. I'm just waiting to be proven wrong with interest if that's the case.
Voyageur said: I did not want to argue from authority and experience but only base myself on calm and polite debate. Why not caml and polite and informed experience on the topic? Is it not possible for those to coexist? Voyageur said: Since everyone tells me that I don't know how to see, without talking about their experiences, you will all have to explain to me what knowledge you have that is beyond me. Because almost no one discussed the substance and the problems that I pointed out. And that's what interests me, the arguments, not asking me to adjust my glasses. And a little exercise that I like to do. Go to Deviant Art and find the AI-generated images before clicking on them and confirming it. 9/10 I'm right. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I don't have a crusade to win. I'm just waiting to be proven wrong with interest if that's the case. You mentioned perspective, blured backgrounds and possible merging, although the perspective isn't perfect and backgrounds get more blured and less detaild the further they are in the distance, what i see when i zoom into those more blured ares is actually layering (maybe i got the term wrong but i don't know how else to describe how the various patterns and colors are layerd onto eachother to give the illusion of there being buildings in the distence), not merging which is typical of AI, the former, unlike merging, has distinguishable shapes even when blured (of course they don't look like what they're suppost to when looking close up, one shape might be contributing to make 2 or 3 buildings) As for blurring and perspective, i wouldn't say either of them are definite proof of it being AI, bluring can be used as an effect to give contrast between the backgrounds and the characters, while the perspective not being perfect falls easily in the margin of human error, i mean by that logic, would you say Attack On Titan manga is AI because the perspective is off a lot of the time? Of course AI has it's own problems with perspective, but they tend to have different characteristics from human error, a lot of AI's problems with perspective have to do with warping, to give a simple example, if a human draws a circle it might come out slightly oval, while if an AI drew a circle it'd look like... imagine trying to pour slime onto a table and make it as circular as possible, you'll notice the edges start to warp, ooze, it'll tend to have slight dents in it that don't really make sense The door background is actually the one i'm least sure about, but that could be a case of the scene not being complete, it's not uncommon for small details to be adjusted later on with DVD and BluRay releases |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
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Did I make an enemy of all myanimelist for my first topic? T_T I am a peaceful person. I just like... anime... a lot...
| @Voyageur If you're reffering to merve... congrats! You're officially her new babysitter 😂 |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
| It's all over. AI will take over and turn our waifus into soulless and sad characters. |
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@DigiCat What who how?!!!
| @Voyageur It's actually a common occourence that jumps from user to user ヘ(￣ω￣ヘ) just wait for her to get bored of you |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
| It was inevitable anyway. |
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