Poor sales of the Blue-ray

Underated00 said:
Ain't nobody gonna buy no blue ray in 2021 lmao.

Underated00 said:
Ain't nobody gonna buy no blue ray in 2021 lmao.

Crow_Black said:



I just purchased a bunch of dvds and blu rays lol.

TheColonel76 said:

I still buy blurays because I love physically owning my stuff, but I get what you mean since most people rely on streaming services nowadays.

cedwino said:
The manga sales are not considered because the benefits go only to the original author and the publishing company.

deg said:
disc sales are irrelevant now for years for TV anime, what matters now is streaming profit especially international streaming profit like from China and USA

Underated00 said:
Ain't nobody gonna buy no blue ray in 2021 lmao.

GGcc78 said:
From what I understand Blu-Ray sales dont matter as much as they used to. This also doesnt matter but it would be interesting though to see how Nagatoro compares to Uzaki though as far as sales go. I'd think they would have a fanbase overlap.

FranticG1 said:
Disc sales don't really matter much especially for a late night anime like nagatoro, the only metric that really will hold any weight is manga sales

Lavszera said:
Guys, Blu-ray sales aren't that relevant nowadays, but they're still the most important metrics to analyze wether an anime is receiving a 2nd season or not. If the blu-ray sales can't even "give back" the money that the productors invested on the show, wich is ~3000 blu-ray sales PER VOLUME, a sequel is more likely not to happen.

Avicebrons said:

This one thing westerners often misunderstand. But unlike the rest of the world, BDs are still HUGE in Japan. So it absolutely matters to the animation studios. This is why Japanese studios, push the sales for their BDs a lot. Whilst western studios don't really bother with that. To put this in a western perspective I guess. Imagine something like Apple which sells you a stand for a thousand dollars, despite it not being worth that much at all. Apple is a luxury product, they overprice their products and people still buy them. BDs in Japan is just a thing there, it may be overpriced and there may be better options like streaming services. But nonetheless people still buy BDs in Japan. It's how the studios make a large portion of their profits.

Lavszera said:

By the way, the studios does not profit/loose money with the sales of the animes they produced. In fact, there are big companies/corporations who forms production committees to fund animes, and each company who helped funding a show receives a porcentage of the Blu-ray/DVD sales

The studios are only companies who animate shows, they're contracted by the production committee only to animate and, as I mentioned before, they does not profit/loose money when an anime goes bad in sales, unless they're investing their money on a show (basically making part of the committe)

Pleas search more about anime production committees on the web and read what other people wrote before saying shit

deg said:
@Avicebrons

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2020-05-07/japan-anime-internet-distribution-market-overtakes-home-video-market/.159304
https://twitter.com/ultimatemegax/status/1211468304684113920

and look at the disc sales decline on SomeAniThing https://www.someanithing.com/

Avicebrons said:

Yeah? I'm not saying anything about how it's declining and that streaming is starting to take over. What I am saying is that it's still huge. But yes, it is declining and it will obviously eventually become obsolete. But currently it's still a very big market in Japan, which may seem weird to westerners since it's basically a dead market in the west. That was my point. I'm not disagreeing with nor dismissing anything in this article.

deg said:


low disc sales does not mean anything this days thats the point since streaming licenses is the main profit maker now for the anime industry especially in China

Avicebrons said:

It still means quite a lot though. It's just that it doesn't mean as much as it used to. I'd say that's the key difference. BDs still contributes to a large portion of profit. Now let's just assume it was before 75%/25% for BD vs streaming. And now we can be excessive and say it's 25%/75%, 25% is still a large portion of profit. It's not like you can say 25% "does not mean anything".

deg said:


take for example One Punch Man average disc sales

One Punch Man - 10,522
One Punch Man Season 2 - 1,277

it did not even reach that Manabi Line which is 3000 disc sales to make a break-even profit and it certainly did not reach 25%

Avicebrons said:

I'm not sure what your point here is. Season 2 was received poorly and thus as a result it sold poorly as well. I mean pretty much everyone was trashing on season 2.

deg said:


criticism does not mean less popular, and im not talking about the west but japan disc sales here the tweet i link earlier said more than half of profit from One Punch Man season 2 is from international streaming licenses

disc sales on Japan is the only one that matters too if youre talking about disc sales

Avicebrons said:

I never once said that criticism means less popular. That's just taking words out of thin air. I'm saying that since the reception was so poor for S2, of course it sold poorly as well. And with sales that poorly, it makes sense that basically any other source of revenue would beat it in profit.

deg said:


err One Punch Man is just 1 example of out of many

anyway if you still insist that Disc Sales are still the main profit maker and thus very relevant then sure i wont bother anymore

Avicebrons said:
And that they made up a large portion of profit. Which they do. Large portion does not mean majority. 1/2 or even 1/4 is still considered a large portion of profit.

deg said:


thats not large at all then if you mean 1/2 or even 1/4

obviously people will interpret large numbers as like the majority of overall profit

Avicebrons said:

If they interpret it that way then it's their own fault for misunderstanding. Because "large portion" does not inherently mean "majority".

Large is an adjective describing something of relatively big in size. Keyword in that definition being relatively. Let's say you say you've saved money for your entire life. Let's say you saved up a million dollars. And then half or even a fourth of that money was stolen. It would still be logical to say that a large amount of money was stolen. Because it was, relatively speaking. Even if it's not the majority of money.

But either way, this is a pointless tangent, cause it's besides the point.

deg said:


then you at least agree that disc sales are a small portion of the overall profit now a days? if you disagree then show any reliable source you have please

Avicebrons said:

Well no, if I thought they were a small portion I would've said small portion and not large portion. But just to be clear, when I say large portion I don't necessarily mean the majority. As for source, then sure, simply look up Pretty Derby Season 2 on Oricon (or just Google it and you'll find tons of articles about it). It sold ~170 000 units (even beating Neon Genesis Evangelion's record), grossing over a billion yen (~9.1 million dollars). This is an anime that finished airing only three months ago. Proving that disc sales are very much still a huge thing nowadays in terms of profit.

deg said:


170,000 units sold of a popular Gacha Game franchise with bonus codes inside the discs are as expected though and call that an outlier compared to many low disc sales over the years and counting

Avicebrons said:

I don't see why there's any relevance in how they sold so many units. BDs has almost always had some sort of incentive to buy them. That has always been a thing with BDs. Whether that be uncensored, art gallery, commentary, or in this case bonus codes. And again, it has no relevance, because no matter how they sell their BDs, it still proves that BDs are still big.

But alright, if you want to consider it an outlier. We can use another recent example. Like Jujutsu Kaisen, which sold ~30 000 units and also made around a billion yen in profit from that. And it finished airing roughly around the same time as Pretty Derby S2.

deg said:


how many outliers can you name though compared to how many poor disc sales of anime i can name like Index Season 3 that sold poorly too compared to its Season 2

deg said:


@Avicebrons

Food Wars too aka Shokugeki no Souma

it did not sold above 3000 disc sales in average on all of its 5 seasons of anime adaptation
https://www.someanithing.com/series-data-quick-view

we can do this all day

Avicebrons said:

My god your examples are just so bad. And no, I'm not gonna continue. Because like I said, what you're doing is just idiotic. And you just seem like a poor loser at this point with you shifting the goalpoast.

deg said:


prove to us that poor disc sales means no sequels then thats the whole point of this thread

Avicebrons said:

And this is the third time you have just pulled something out of thin air and acted like I said it. Really, it's like talking with an actual child. You are dismissive, you shift goalpost and you put words in people's mouths. I never once said that poor disc sales means no sequels. All I did was comment to people saying disc sales means nothing, when they actually do have a significance.