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Himeee03 said: Let me start of saying, that I understand that any criticism of this show instantly makes you a "crybaby", and a "snowflake", and I would also like to say that Ive seen plenty of ugly bast**** 18+ anime, however none of these shows have made me feel as uncomfortable as this show. Its weird that rudeus is generally a likeable intelligent character, and had potential to be one of the better isekai protagonists. However i cant help to feel that rudeus has sociopathic tendencies. When rudeus took off slyviette clothing, i found it uncomfortable but i felt by the end, he had learned his lesson, however he does the same thing again to red head tsundere which shows that he in fact didn't was borderline about to rap**** her. Which makes it weirder to me, is that he showed no remorse and only regretted being found out instead of the action of stripping her. In the latest ep a similar scenario happens, he was prepared to have sex with her. At the surface is doesnt seem weird however rudeus is shown to be very emotionally intelligent, and logics that she is there because her father told to be there. Knowing this information, that was essentially forced by her family to be with rudeus and yet he still makes advances on her, makes me uncomfortable as rudeus understands what hes doing is wrong but still does it. The guy is literally a sociopath. rape her ? her father offered her to him. she offered herself to him as a birthday gift how is it raped ? isnt definition of rape "unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim" ? also noone is saying he is perfect or that things he is doing are right. World isnt always perfect and beautiful. And also this anime is situated in 14th century so i guess things like that were considered normal back then (being sexually active in younger age) |
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| I wouldn’t call him a sociopath, but I do agree that his perversion is a huge character flaw and I think we are supposed to dislike that part of him. Whenever Rudeus tries to do that groping, molesting, perverted shit he usually pays a price for it (often in the form of Eris beating the shit out of him). That shows that the anime is at least commentating that this is despicable behavior. Similarly, this applies the world in general. There are norms that would be completely unacceptable in today’s society and it is sometimes too much for even Rudy (him declining Eris’s dad’s offer is such an example). It never seems like the anime idealizes these norms or Rudy’s perversion, but rather depicting them in a realistic sense of a medieval fantasy world. That being said, I do think they take things too far with Rudy’s perversion. If they want us to know and criticize him for being a pervert, they could just show him having the thoughts about doing the things he does instead of actually doing them. This way, we would understand that he is deeply flawed and not have to actually see him do the disgusting acts. |
Nobody970 said: Isn't that kind of the point tho? Before getting isekai'd, he was relentlessly bullied and lived a shut-in life. It is pretty safe to say he may have developed sociopathic and anti-social tendencies 'cause of that. He even himself said in the last episode that maybe real life girls arent like in the dating sims (nv) so he probably has a twisted view of how to communicate with people from the opposite sex. Imo in terms of emotional intelligence from a social skills standpoint, his age is close to 10-13 years old. Rudeus is perverse and I dont think it's a good reason to drop the show, but i wouldnt blame anyone for doing so Basically this. For me the point of the story is to show how a piece of shit can become a good person, but obviously it doesn't happen overnight so it is likely that he has a character development as the story progresses. |
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 When the mc is canonically confirmed a pedophile in the WN |
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Just because you are doing something for someone else doesn't make it right. Kindness and beauty can sometimes become cruel. |
| I was actually surprised with Eris mentioning the age of 15. I legit thought there was no understanding of age of consent in this world. People defending mc is yet again ridiculous. "She offered herself so it shouldn't be a problem". She's a kid, remember? Did it never cross your mind that she may be doing this because she was told that's how she should behave? Eris has a degenerate father, but even he (or the mother) must have told her just how much action is ok at her age. I genuinely felt sorry for Eris. She allowed Rudy to touch her since she naively believes that's how a girl should act to be appreciated and that's how she should express her thanks. |
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L0sMichal0s said: rape her ? her father offered her to him. she offered herself to him as a birthday gift how is it raped ? isnt definition of rape "unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim" ? Yes you are right in your definition of rape. But you also forget that underage people are incapable of giving consent. Which is why even consensual sex with a minor is considered rape in the form of statutory rape. He's an adult, he's fully capable of understanding that she's at an age where she can't consent. But he just simply doesn't care. Because he's into that. He even have thoughts about how he's gonna groom her. |
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| Similar threads had been made multiple times. Himeee03 said: Its weird that rudeus is generally a likeable intelligent character, and had potential to be one of the better isekai protagonists. However i cant help to feel that rudeus has sociopathic tendencies. When rudeus took off slyviette clothing, i found it uncomfortable but i felt by the end, he had learned his lesson, however he does the same thing again to red head tsundere which shows that he in fact didn't was borderline about to rap**** her. Which makes it weirder to me, is that he showed no remorse and only regretted being found out instead of the action of stripping her. In the latest ep a similar scenario happens, he was prepared to have sex with her. At the surface is doesnt seem weird however rudeus is shown to be very emotionally intelligent, and logics that she is there because her father told to be there. Knowing this information, that was essentially forced by her family to be with rudeus and yet he still makes advances on her, makes me uncomfortable as rudeus understands what hes doing is wrong but still does it. The guy is literally a sociopath. 1) That is not what "sociopath" means. 2) So what weirds you out is that a character has both good and bad qualities? I would recommend reading/watching more fiction that doesn't have only black and white characters, this really isn't something that should baffle you so much. Avicebrons said: Just to get into technicalities, the setting quite implies that the concept of "underage" in this fictional world is not what you might be imagining if you're applying the "18+" mentality. But you also forget that underage people are incapable of giving consent. |
abystoma2Feb 28, 2021 12:25 PM
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Avicebrons said: L0sMichal0s said: rape her ? her father offered her to him. she offered herself to him as a birthday gift how is it raped ? isnt definition of rape "unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim" ? Yes you are right in your definition of rape. But you also forget that underage people are incapable of giving consent. Which is why even consensual sex with a minor is considered rape in the form of statutory rape. He's an adult, he's fully capable of understanding that she's at an age where she can't consent. But he just simply doesn't care. Because he's into that. He even have thoughts about how he's gonna groom her. How do you prove some dude in his 30s got reincarnated into newborn baby and that he is actually not 10 but over 40 ? you cant and he is younger than her in "real" life now but yeah i understand what you mean dont worry |
Just because you are doing something for someone else doesn't make it right. Kindness and beauty can sometimes become cruel. |
L0sMichal0s said: By reading his character entry on this site.How do you prove some dude in his 30s got reincarnated into newborn baby and that he is actually not 10 but over 40 ? |
| You all need to watch Nami. |
abystoma2 said: L0sMichal0s said: By reading his character entry on this site.How do you prove some dude in his 30s got reincarnated into newborn baby and that he is actually not 10 but over 40 ? in real life you cant accuse a 10y.o boy being a pedo for liking 12y.o girl |
Just because you are doing something for someone else doesn't make it right. Kindness and beauty can sometimes become cruel. |
skysurf said: L0sMichal0s said: How do you prove some dude in his 30s got reincarnated into newborn baby and that he is actually not 10 but over 40 ? Will this weak excuse ever die? LMAO. Do you need the author himself to literally tell that to you? In that case, here is your answer. AceRoyale said: I really dont get why people love to state their opinions on everything. If you are uncomfortable if you dont like whats going on just close the video logout of the forum and never look back why are you writing essay about it copy and pasting the same comment in other threads? ^ fixed it for you. i said he is mentally that old but you cant possibly prove it irl im not defending him im just saying we all get it we dont need 10 threats everyday and multiple comments on every single ep discussion its medieval era and things were different back then anyways so todays SJW snowflake movements dont apply here |
Just because you are doing something for someone else doesn't make it right. Kindness and beauty can sometimes become cruel. |
L0sMichal0s said: Avicebrons said: Yes you are right in your definition of rape. But you also forget that underage people are incapable of giving consent. Which is why even consensual sex with a minor is considered rape in the form of statutory rape. He's an adult, he's fully capable of understanding that she's at an age where she can't consent. But he just simply doesn't care. Because he's into that. He even have thoughts about how he's gonna groom her. How do you prove some dude in his 30s got reincarnated into newborn baby and that he is actually not 10 but over 40 ? you cant and he is younger than her in "real" life now but yeah i understand what you mean dont worry Well you can't really. And that's why it's so split. Some people think he's a child and other an adult. Neither are really wrong and neither are really right. But that's at least why some consider it rape despite any consent that was given. |
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L0sMichal0s said: You do realize we aren't talking about real life, in which magic and reincarnation doesn't exist, right?abystoma2 said: By reading his character entry on this site. in real life you cant accuse a 10y.o boy being a pedo for liking 12y.o girl |
| You all need to watch Nami. |
| Simple solution. stop whining about things happening in a fictional story and don't watch it. |
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abystoma2 said: Just to get into technicalities, the setting quite implies that the concept of "underage" in this fictional world is not what you might be imagining if you're applying the "18+" mentality. Yeah but that's also not the point. Because Rudy is from our world. So he has the knowledge about what consent is, what a minor is and how a minor is incapable of giving consent. So it doesn't really matter what the setting is. If anything, that makes it all the worse. Because the setting allows for him to be a creep with little to no repercussion. Where he can do stuff he himself knows he wouldn't be able to do in his own world. |
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Himeee03 said: Let me start of saying, that I understand that any criticism of this show instantly makes you a "crybaby", and a "snowflake", and I would also like to say that Ive seen plenty of ugly bast**** 18+ anime, however none of these shows have made me feel as uncomfortable as this show. Its weird that rudeus is generally a likeable intelligent character, and had potential to be one of the better isekai protagonists. However i cant help to feel that rudeus has sociopathic tendencies. When rudeus took off slyviette clothing, i found it uncomfortable but i felt by the end, he had learned his lesson, however he does the same thing again to red head tsundere which shows that he in fact didn't was borderline about to rap**** her. Which makes it weirder to me, is that he showed no remorse and only regretted being found out instead of the action of stripping her. In the latest ep a similar scenario happens, he was prepared to have sex with her. At the surface is doesnt seem weird however rudeus is shown to be very emotionally intelligent, and logics that she is there because her father told to be there. Knowing this information, that was essentially forced by her family to be with rudeus and yet he still makes advances on her, makes me uncomfortable as rudeus understands what hes doing is wrong but still does it. The guy is literally a sociopath. just for some clarity, "When rudeus took off slyviette clothing, i found it uncomfortable but i felt by the end, he had learned his lesson" It is messed up by all means but it isnt meant to be taken as a "sexual predator" thing, he thought sylvie was a guy, of course its still messed up. "he does the same thing again to red head tsundere which shows that he in fact didn't was borderline about to rap**** her" I would argue that he wasnt about to try to rap* her, but just to steal her pan*ies, he has a weird obsession with pan*ies, it doesnt make it any less messed up tho and this act is actual sexual abuse, I doubt anyone would try to defend it and its entirely reasonable for you to feel uncomfortable watching these 2 scenes, it would be weird if you didnt... im just clearing some stuff up. I havent watched the latest episode but this "however rudeus is shown to be very emotionally intelligent" is kinda wrong, he is emotionally unstable for the first few episodes and down the line |
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rdturbo said: umm, just to be clear, wasnt he pretty much made to be a scum of the earth in previous episodes. so why is there an expectation of model citizen behavior? also didnt he ask for consent in this ep? were the translations wrong? Yes, he's objectively scum of the earth. The problem here is that many of the heinous things he does is portrayed in a comedy/light hearted sense. And they don't really address it. So the anime is conveying his act extremely poorly. I'm merely talking about what the anime has actually shown us. If it's 100% clear in the novel, then that simply means that the anime is poorly adapted. Cause it's up to them to portray these things properly. |
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| I still don't know what to feel about Rudy. I also feel uncomfortable with some of the scenes he's on, but everyone who critizices him only seem to see his flaws and forget his possitive influences in the other characters. I don't like any of the scenes where he molests Eris and I don't think we're supposed to like that part of him, but the point of this show is that it's a redemption story. If Rudy was instantly a saint after being reincarnated, where's the story? Where's the development? He can't just turn 20+ years of having a disgusting personality and just do a coin flip, the human brain only works like that on the typical bland harem isekai protagonist. We're already 8 episodes into the story. I get that Rudy's ugly perviness ruin the amazing parts of the story for some people, but I think that this is a bit like Goblin Slayer's case. That part of him is not likely to change soon, maybe ever, so if you hate it so much that it ruins your experience it's better to just drop the show in my opinion |
Himeee03 said: Let me start of saying, that I understand that any criticism of this show instantly makes you a "crybaby", and a "snowflake", and I would also like to say that Ive seen plenty of ugly bast**** 18+ anime, however none of these shows have made me feel as uncomfortable as this show. Its weird that rudeus is generally a likeable intelligent character, and had potential to be one of the better isekai protagonists. However i cant help to feel that rudeus has sociopathic tendencies. When rudeus took off slyviette clothing, i found it uncomfortable but i felt by the end, he had learned his lesson, however he does the same thing again to red head tsundere which shows that he in fact didn't was borderline about to rap**** her. Which makes it weirder to me, is that he showed no remorse and only regretted being found out instead of the action of stripping her. In the latest ep a similar scenario happens, he was prepared to have sex with her. At the surface is doesnt seem weird however rudeus is shown to be very emotionally intelligent, and logics that she is there because her father told to be there. Knowing this information, that was essentially forced by her family to be with rudeus and yet he still makes advances on her, makes me uncomfortable as rudeus understands what hes doing is wrong but still does it. The guy is literally a sociopath. Do we watch the same show? 1. Sylphiette He didn't know she was a girl. Wasn't that obvious enough? 2. Playfully trying to unpanty the insane tsundere As revenge. Nothing serious, just dumb fun. 3. latest episode Rudeus did nothing wrong. (apart from forgetting about Sylphie for a moment after) |
Himeee03 said: Let me start of saying, that I understand that any criticism of this show instantly makes you a "crybaby", and a "snowflake", and I would also like to say that Ive seen plenty of ugly bast**** 18+ anime, however none of these shows have made me feel as uncomfortable as this show. Its weird that rudeus is generally a likeable intelligent character, and had potential to be one of the better isekai protagonists. However i cant help to feel that rudeus has sociopathic tendencies. When rudeus took off slyviette clothing, i found it uncomfortable but i felt by the end, he had learned his lesson, however he does the same thing again to red head tsundere which shows that he in fact didn't was borderline about to rap**** her. Which makes it weirder to me, is that he showed no remorse and only regretted being found out instead of the action of stripping her. In the latest ep a similar scenario happens, he was prepared to have sex with her. At the surface is doesnt seem weird however rudeus is shown to be very emotionally intelligent, and logics that she is there because her father told to be there. Knowing this information, that was essentially forced by her family to be with rudeus and yet he still makes advances on her, makes me uncomfortable as rudeus understands what hes doing is wrong but still does it. The guy is literally a sociopath. While I do agree that it is uncomfortable at times but I'll just chalk it up that Rudeus Greyrat is an Otaku degenerate first and foremost. This character grows as a person as he ages, The difference between his kid self and when he's an adult is night and day. This is my gripes about the series as well but after finishing the story and I would just say it would all makes perfect sense by the end. |
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| historically its accurate though In medieval Europe, Gratian, the influential founder of Canon law in the twelfth century, accepted the traditional age of puberty for marriage (between 12 and 14) but he also said consent was "meaningful" if the children were older than seven. Some authorities said consent could take place earlier. https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/law/law/age-consent but ye they do not have to erotically animate his pedo scenes for sure Japan is just so obsessed with youth so its a Cultural Conflict between the west and Japan |
PancakeVestige said: One thing I don't get is, why not view Rudeous as an evil/bad protagonist? I remember there was post comparing him to Light from Death Note (something to that effect). Would that make it better for enjoyment? Good comparison. You don't see Light killing people as cheap comedy gags. That kind of shows that explore topics such as questioning the viewer on what's wrong and what's right take those themes in a intelligent manner. But in this show, I don't think anyone is conflicted about whether Rudeus sexually harassing children is something right or wrong, and on top of that, it's shown as supposedly comedy gags, so it's impossible to take it as a "interesting morally gray character". That's why some people share the view that this reads as wish fulfillment story when you think about the kind of dreams that are becoming true for the MC. deg said: Japan is just so obsessed with youth so its a Cultural Conflict between the west and Japan Japan is not only what you see in anime. The whole country is not "obsessed with youth". Children sexual abuse happens all around the world, this is not "west vs east". Even in Japan you see they try to take action against those creepers that molest school girls in trains. Genjurooo said: Rudeus did nothing wrong.  |
skysurf said: deg said: Japan is just so obsessed with youth so its a Cultural Conflict between the west and Japan Japan is not only what you see in anime. The whole country is not "obsessed with youth". Children sexual abuse happens all around the world, this is not "west vs east". Even in Japan you see they try to take action against those creepers that molest school girls in trains. sure but you cannot deny anime got a lolicon problem or even teenage girls being sexualize problem in anime, manga and light novels there in Japan or maybe they are just forgiving more about it like how the public there forgives pedo authors like the Rurouni Kenshin and Act Age manga authors |
Avicebrons said: Because Rudy is from our world. So he has the knowledge about what consent is, what a minor is and how a minor is incapable of giving consent. ElGuanchetas said: Yeah, a man grooming a ten year old is perfectly fine. Of course kids can give consent. What is this mantra? They obviously can. It's just that the modern world doesn't recognize it (unless it is about sex change lol). I somehow doubt Rudeus thinks fondly of the modern world and its modern religion. |
skysurf said: deg said: sure but you cannot deny anime got a lolicon problem or even teenage girls being sexualize problem in anime, manga and light novels there in Japan or maybe they are just forgiving more about it like how the public there forgives pedo authors like the Rurouni Kenshin and Act Age manga authors of course, I agree, there clearly is a problem in certain circles of the otaku world, I was just clarifying that implying things like "Japan is ok with this" is overgeneralizing. There's a reason why Japanese diehard lolicon otaku usually keep that stuff for themselves... cultures are not a hive mind anyway its just the social norm Is Japan turning a blind eye to paedophilia? Another customer tells Stacey, “the age gap thing for some people is off-putting but, in Japan, maybe it’s our culture - our attitude is quite different”. https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/57eaaf23-0cef-48c8-961f-41f2563b38aa lets not forget about the sex culture there in japan too sure sexual assault is problematic in japan but that is because of lack of consent right |
Alphaz said: Himeee03 said: Let me start of saying, that I understand that any criticism of this show instantly makes you a "crybaby", and a "snowflake", and I would also like to say that Ive seen plenty of ugly bast**** 18+ anime, however none of these shows have made me feel as uncomfortable as this show. Its weird that rudeus is generally a likeable intelligent character, and had potential to be one of the better isekai protagonists. However i cant help to feel that rudeus has sociopathic tendencies. When rudeus took off slyviette clothing, i found it uncomfortable but i felt by the end, he had learned his lesson, however he does the same thing again to red head tsundere which shows that he in fact didn't was borderline about to rap**** her. Which makes it weirder to me, is that he showed no remorse and only regretted being found out instead of the action of stripping her. In the latest ep a similar scenario happens, he was prepared to have sex with her. At the surface is doesnt seem weird however rudeus is shown to be very emotionally intelligent, and logics that she is there because her father told to be there. Knowing this information, that was essentially forced by her family to be with rudeus and yet he still makes advances on her, makes me uncomfortable as rudeus understands what hes doing is wrong but still does it. The guy is literally a sociopath. I get what you're saying as i've felt uncomfortable myself on a few occassions, but arguably your last few sentences which describe todays episode are a bit incorrect. I mean it's very hard to not notice that Eris started to get fond of him few episodes ago. And the way she acted this episode is clear that she's even fine marrying him eventually. Like when they mentioned marriage first she didn't deny anything just said it's too early. The dirty stuff at such young age is a bit uncomfortable, but this particular one wasn't that big of a deal, after all Eris does seem somewhat okay with it. One main thing a lot of people are forgetting is that it's a story about fantasy world. This is not bound by the same rules that you live in your real life, for gods sake Paul is having children with two different women in their household. There's hundreds of old-fashion rules from middle ages in this series. Yes indeed it's a world with different rules, what he tried to do isn't illegal or even morally wrong from that world's perspective per say, however 1 Rudeus has the mind of an adult and that makes the situation a little more uncomfortable and 2 Scenes like this break the flow of an otherwise amazing show imo. I feel it goes a tad bit far, and that makes it hard to recommend it to my friends. I would be much happier if they kept the lewd scenes for Ghisglaine and the other adult characters. Edit: Try showing this clip to someone who is not familiar with anime and see their reaction. |
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