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Mar 23, 2014 8:24 AM
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Seriously, what the hell Bizon? I can barely stand this guy before but now..

Kinda a meh episode. It felt more like a set up to the finale. Poor Hina, she still can't forget what happened before. Bizon though..I think he's a bit overboard now. War time again. Inb4 someone dies
Mar 23, 2014 8:28 AM
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Hina told that guy about what she experienced, but been told not to think too much. She rejected him, though. With main guy's memory, Dio believes him.

That scientist is messing up Hina and that guy to fight against their enemy with coupling system.
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Mar 23, 2014 2:07 PM
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Dat horny bastard just cannot keep his pants in check, can he?
Mar 23, 2014 3:20 PM
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Bizon is a asshole He took advantage of her fathers death her suspicion that was placed on her and when she was protecting aoba and then tried to force his own feelings on her and took advantage of her. Theres a difference bizon and aoba. Aoba is to trusting for his own good and would never take advantage of someone. Aoba had no bad intentions from the beginning he just wanted answers ti what happend to him What bizon just did prevented hina from making her own choice and when whe decided to pick up the hairpin it made her consider going to aoba and when bizon was okay when dr hahn brainwashing her is just so wrong. He never cared for her feelings only his. Despite Aoba being on the opposing side he never hesitated to help her and when ask her join him on the cygnus he did it for her own well being because of her fragile state at the time.
Mar 23, 2014 3:26 PM
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Oh boy. Obvious foreshadowing is obvious.

Aoba: Standard Waveform for Coupling
Hina coupling grade naturally?: A

Hmmm....

Seems like they're both the natural waveform.

Also, obvious Aoba breaking through her brainwashing is obvious. That's likely to be last straw.
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Mar 23, 2014 4:59 PM
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Ohhh Hina, what they`ve done to you ;______;

Well there`s no way they can end this with 1 episode left, I don`t want a super rushed ending dammit !!!!

Well, lets hope for the best, I hope Bizon dies :v
Mar 23, 2014 5:52 PM
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Extrieve said:
Ohhh Hina, what they`ve done to you ;______;

Well there`s no way they can end this with 1 episode left, I don`t want a super rushed ending dammit !!!!

Well, lets hope for the best, I hope Bizon dies :v


Actually Bizon died, in the past in episode 1 xD


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Mar 24, 2014 3:56 AM
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Hina's First kiss is gone :(((( its meant for aoba !!! I hate u Bizon. Why dont u just kill urself seriously :((
Mar 24, 2014 4:10 AM
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Bizon, what a retard. We all know what is probably going to happen next episode but will this be like the "ending" or will they continue it with a second season instead of rushing it =O
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Mar 24, 2014 4:14 AM
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This was a really good character development episode for aoba hina and bizon we all now understand why bizon absolutely wants to kill aoba he was jealous of aoba because he always tried to reach out to hina despite being on the opposing side what really set bizon is that hina was protecting him even though why aoba was the reason to why she was in trouble. His simple minded views of other people who are not on his side make him a hypocrite especially to what he did to hina. He took advantage of someone he cared for and that is something Aoba would never do.He forced his feeling onto her with no consideration for her own and the fact he was okay for dr hahn brainwashing her was something unforgivable and but i cant help but pity him in the end he lost hina again when she picked up that hairpin and this what led to the reason why aoba is not the retard bizon was because aoba would never take advantage of someones fragile state because Aoba is a very sensitive and considerate person and to trusting for his own good and because what he was doing was for her own well being it led hina realise he was indeed in fact a good person at heart and bizon was wrong to judge him like he did. It makes him a hypocrite.
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Mhm... the good guys are always the underdogs...
But Jesus... they lose 51% of their fleet in 1 shot...

Mar 24, 2014 5:25 AM

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Just surrender already alliance, my face is hurting from all the /facepalm.

For some reason im getting the feeling it's going to end up being 1 lone white ship versus all of Zoglia by the end of the second season.
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Hina's First kiss is gone :(((( its meant for aoba !!! I hate u Bizon. Why dont u just kill urself seriously :((


I don't know why but I didn't feel first kiss vibes from that. For some reason it was like they were used to kissing? Well w/e she totally rejected him there lol

And did they really have to use the brain washing plot device on Hina -.- One of my most hated ways to progress the plot :(

Bizon has totally went mad XD He's just pathetic now. Love their new mecha's though. Esp Hina's looks awesome.

Loved the part with Dio and Aoba. The way they both understand each other now is so great :D Can't wait to see their new mecha nxt ep ^^
Mar 24, 2014 6:23 AM

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Barion-Zara said:
diu613 said:
Hina's First kiss is gone :(((( its meant for aoba !!! I hate u Bizon. Why dont u just kill urself seriously :((


I don't know why but I didn't feel first kiss vibes from that. For some reason it was like they were used to kissing? Well w/e she totally rejected him there lol

And did they really have to use the brain washing plot device on Hina -.- One of my most hated ways to progress the plot :(

Bizon has totally went mad XD He's just pathetic now. Love their new mecha's though. Esp Hina's looks awesome.

Loved the part with Dio and Aoba. The way they both understand each other now is so great :D Can't wait to see their new mecha nxt ep ^^


True she looks like she is used to kiss him alot T.T :(( Poor aoba. I hope Aoba x Hina will work out at the end
Mar 24, 2014 6:25 AM

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Zogilia kicked the crap out of the Alliance...again. Why am I not surprised XD

And brainwashing? Really?
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Mar 24, 2014 7:13 AM
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Extrieve said:
Ohhh Hina, what they`ve done to you ;______;

Well there`s no way they can end this with 1 episode left, I don`t want a super rushed ending dammit !!!!

Well, lets hope for the best, I hope Bizon dies :v


Actually Bizon died, in the past in episode 1 xD

Lol seriously? I forgot that it's Bizon..
That raises two questions:
1. How the heck did Bizon travel to the past? I wonder if Bizon gets transferred with Hina in the _current_ war when the brainwashing fell apart and the coupling system went into chaos. This makes me wonder whether Hina got any proper 'farewell' with Aoba in the future :( Kinda a sad fate for her, to meet her beloved only to be separated from him again.. Also looking back to ep1, her mecha is pink, but her current mecha is black?
2. IF Aoba goes back to the past, will he see Hina? Because she might be stuck in a time travel loop.. Man if she kept regressing 10 years, I wonder how old is the current one now..
Extrieve said:
Ohhh Hina, what they`ve done to you ;______;

Well there`s no way they can end this with 1 episode left, I don`t want a super rushed ending dammit !!!!

Well, lets hope for the best, I hope Bizon dies :v
I bet there'll be a rushed ending.. Maybe epilogues like Gargantia? But yeah I don't like the pace this is going at - but I bet their plan is to initiate despair @ the end of ep12 and full blown epicness (if we do think it's epic) in ep13 and done.

EDIT: Looks like he 'chased' her to the past so Hina either went back first or time travel separated them. We never see Bizon's death scene though.. just a dying scene.. That guy need a more fitting end..
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Damn that dude drugged Hina! And that Bizon guy has lost his mind, he's completely consumed with rage and jealousy lol. He didn't even notice when Hina said lets go avenge YOUR father. I can just imagine the type of father/husband he would turn out to be.

1 more episode left.
Mar 24, 2014 7:56 AM
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Damn that dude drugged Hina! And that Bizon guy has lost his mind, he's completely consumed with rage and jealousy lol. He didn't even notice when Hina said lets go avenge YOUR father. I can just imagine the type of father/husband he would turn out to be.

1 more episode left.


She actually said lets go avenge my father...that just wrong translation
Mar 24, 2014 8:51 AM

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Poor Hina being brainwashed like that. It's up to Aoba to make her regain her senses.
Mar 24, 2014 9:36 AM
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omg so predicted they were gonna end ep 12 just like that can only wait for next week inevitable rushed ending or a 2nd season..but yea fck bizon!
Mar 24, 2014 9:41 AM

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omg so predicted they were gonna end ep 12 just like that can only wait for next week inevitable rushed ending or a 2nd season..but yea fck bizon!

There's already a 2nd season announced
Mar 24, 2014 10:41 AM
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Flaecy said:
omg so predicted they were gonna end ep 12 just like that can only wait for next week inevitable rushed ending or a 2nd season..but yea fck bizon!

There's already a 2nd season announced


source?
Mar 24, 2014 10:55 AM

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I have horrible memory. Did someone give the hairpin to Hina ?
Mar 24, 2014 11:05 AM
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I have horrible memory. Did someone give the hairpin to Hina ?


Aoba did when they were stuck on the island
Mar 24, 2014 11:06 AM

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They've brainwashed Hina and Bizon is fine with that -_-
Mar 24, 2014 11:23 AM
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Everyone needs to know this already, Either it's a cliffhanger and we need to wait 1 year or something like all other cliffhangers to get a season 2 or we don't even get one orrr... It's gonna be a rushed end, No way they have made a end this good to make it a great end instead of a cliffhanger.

Anyway, I really can't wait to see Aoba and Dio their new mecha's, It's giving me goosebumps! :P.
And Bizon that fu*k*ng B**Ch srsly ...

Theorder14 said:
Flaecy said:
omg so predicted they were gonna end ep 12 just like that can only wait for next week inevitable rushed ending or a 2nd season..but yea fck bizon!

There's already a 2nd season announced


Even MAL has not annouced the second season and they're mostly the first to annouce this sort of stuff.
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Fantassy said:
Everyone needs to know this already, Either it's a cliffhanger and we need to wait 1 year or something like all other cliffhangers to get a season 2 or we don't even get one orrr... It's gonna be a rushed end, No way they have made a end this good to make it a great end instead of a cliffhanger.

Anyway, I really can't wait to see Aoba and Dio their new mecha's, It's giving me goosebumps! :P.
And Bizon that fu*k*ng B**Ch srsly ...

Theorder14 said:
Flaecy said:
omg so predicted they were gonna end ep 12 just like that can only wait for next week inevitable rushed ending or a 2nd season..but yea fck bizon!

There's already a 2nd season announced


Even MAL has not annouced the second season and they're mostly the first to annouce this sort of stuff.


I would be surprised if it didn't. Supposedly it's getting franchised pretty hard, they had a game announced just a tad after it's first reveal, supposedly even before the manga started.

I would be surprised with no second season. I mean, they could end it, but I'm not sure Sunrise of all teams would waste money like that.
Mar 24, 2014 1:19 PM

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At this point I would be very, very surprised if no second season is announced because even at this point the series feels like it's relatively undeveloped, especially regard to the relationship between Hina and Aoba. Nice development for this episode. I think they really fleshed out Bizon well as a character even though he's kind of one-dimensional anyway. Given the preview, this state Hina's in won't last beyond the next episode and she'll likely join Aoba as she recovers. Can't wait for Aoba and Dio to get their next-gen models and kick ass.
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So, since it'll end next episode, they'll probably come full circle to episode 1 where Hina travels to the past, and Bizon later. It'll most likely end with a time-paradox, since I doubt they have time to squeeze in explaining how the f*** they got into the time-paradox in the first place.

Ep 1. (While in her pink mech)
Hina: because you told me.
Aoba:...what?

The only reason why Aoba is in the future is because Hina went to the past, but the only reason Hina went to the past is because Aoba is in the future! And the cat hairclip, where the hell did it come from? They sure as hell didn't buy it (yet?)

WTF‽

Side note: I just realized this but...why does the enemy names always start with Z with sunrise's series? Neo Zeon, ZAFT, Zogilia...
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Mar 24, 2014 2:08 PM
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Wtf did that lab coat guy gave to Hina?
Mar 24, 2014 3:07 PM

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The anime is missing something
Aoba had to be in the future before(by growing up or something) which would give reason to Bizon to kill him which gave Hina a reason to save him and put him in the future.

The Bizon attacks and Hina saves him circle doesn't work unless Aoba was in their time period and met them.

I confused myself saying this :/
Mar 24, 2014 3:32 PM
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Theorder14 said:
Flaecy said:
omg so predicted they were gonna end ep 12 just like that can only wait for next week inevitable rushed ending or a 2nd season..but yea fck bizon!

There's already a 2nd season announced


source?
Didn't realize that. Looks like we got a thread about it already here.
Mar 24, 2014 4:08 PM
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Hopefully I'm wrong but I sense a bad ending :(.
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OMG the vid i watched didn't show the preview.!!! T__T What was shown?

Bizon went crazy 0__0

Hina OMG NOOO!!!!

I hope Aoba breaks her brainwash by coupling with her!!!
Mar 24, 2014 6:27 PM
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OMG the vid i watched didn't show the preview.!!! T__T What was shown?

Bizon went crazy 0__0

Hina OMG NOOO!!!!

I hope Aoba breaks her brainwash by coupling with her!!!

Ep 13 Preview "Acception":
-Bizon Leaning Forward Screaming(looks like he's rushing at something)
-Gallent Sitting Up Straight in his Cockpit
-Dio doing his chin-tilt thing
-Hina's mecha rushing at something while being shot at
-Another firing from the Super Nectar Cannon
-Hina standing in her open cockpit with the hairclip in her hair, sunlight reflecting off it

That last part gives the biiggest hint, everything else could be dropped in practically any episode.
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Ep 13 Preview "Acception":
-Bizon Leaning Forward Screaming(looks like he's rushing at something)
-Gallent Sitting Up Straight in his Cockpit
-Dio doing his chin-tilt thing
-Hina's mecha rushing at something while being shot at
-Another firing from the Super Nectar Cannon
-Hina standing in her open cockpit with the hairclip in her hair, sunlight reflecting off it

That last part gives the biiggest hint, everything else could be dropped in practically any episode.


OMG!!! Thank you. She's gonna go back in time : 0
Mar 24, 2014 7:10 PM
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Hina got her first kiss stolen by Bizon. Too bad, Hina got brainwashed.
Mar 24, 2014 8:34 PM
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Bizon is a creep
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ughhhh it nots really Hina's fault but who doest hate character regression

on another note Chairman Durandle is the most reasonable Zogilia guy

the series has to be two seasons, almost impossible to rap up everything next episode (but i thought it would be possible before Hina got brainwashed)

Bizon gon die
Mar 24, 2014 9:08 PM
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ughhhh it nots really Hina's fault but who doest hate character regression

on another note Chairman Durandle is the most reasonable Zogilia guy

the series has to be two seasons, almost impossible to rap up everything next episode (but i thought it would be possible before Hina got brainwashed)

Bizon gon die


If they pull the "there's Time Travel because it happened" excuse, just to wrap up this series next episode, I'm going to be real pissed. There better be a Season 2 like the rumored evidence shows. I hate it when a story uses the "because of reasons" excuse.
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How the heck did Bizon travel to the past?

look like its been answered in ep 1 before opening
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Not really sure why everyone is convinced this will have 2 seasons. I thought it would too, but after watching episode 12 it looks like all the loose ends will get tied up in ep 13.
Giant cannon fires -> creates portal to the past -> bizon and hina get transported to the past -> leads to events of Episode 1

Hope I'm wrong tho, I love this show so it would be great to see it have a 2nd season
Mar 24, 2014 10:08 PM

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Mar 24, 2014 10:48 PM

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Eh, I've been dumb all alone. I always thought that the guy that the Dio was the assailant dude in the first episode. Not until this episode do I actually realize it was Bizon. What an obvious mistake and notion to carry over for 10 episodes too.
Hmmm. Were Hina and him that close, like were they dating? That kissing scene implied that they were to me. Either that or Bizon is a dominant and forceful guy that would abruptly kiss the girl he wants even if the mood isn't the best (they were at a cemetery eh).

Still, I don't like the notion that Hina dies... Like, if she traveled back in time and "vanished" for some weird reason after going back into the future again, apparently dying, then that's a downer.
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How is Dio still skeptical about Aoba coming from the past? He should be certain that what he says is the truth by now. This was a decent episode. Looking forward to what will happen next with only one episode left.

Mar 25, 2014 12:30 AM

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This was a pretty good episode, and is building up to the next one. Everything is falling into place! But there is no way they can wrap this up in one episode. But at the same time, the series is a bomb, its not selling hardly anything, I don't know if it will be split cour though...
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What if people from the past have the same wavelength (is that what you call it?)?
And after a few years, their wavelength slowly changed and people from the future use the old wavelength as a standard wavelength for coupling as people from the future have the genes of people from the past, thus allowing them to be able to change/train their wavelength to match with people from the past wavelength.
And about time traveling, Yumihara Hina may have traveled to the future by accident and meet old Aoba by accident. She realized that he is her classmate and talked to him. Later old Aoba died and Yumihara Hina was sent back to her original timeline. And the rest of the story follows the first episode. Hina from the future is Yumihara Hina but she was sent back the second time, thus her body shrunk, her memory lost and sent back to the past of the future where she will meet her 'father'. This may be a prevention of changing the past or the future too much as it disturbs the universe. And about Dio...I don't know how to put him in this...
Everything is just a guess though....
P.S. It will never happen...
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I don't get why you'd die if you piloted with the old valiancers often. Sure, without any sort of continuous "therapy" to maintain your sense of self you might end up in a bad way psychologically and thus couldn't be trusted to pilot an armed vehicle, but how would meshing your mind with someone else kill you? Unless the coupling process can inflict brain damage, I'm not following. Anyway, I kinda wanted to see Aoba and Dio go ultra-buddy mode and speak in first person plural for a while, freaking everyone out XD

Last episode next week (that we know of), I'm not too confident they can pull it off with all the time travel business remaining unaddressed.
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Meh the Alliance got their ass wipe again, why am I not surprise ?? =__=

I'm starting to pity Bizon because what's gonna happen to him !!
Mar 25, 2014 10:08 AM

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Damn that Dr. Hahn!! Didn't even want to give Hina time to think about it. Just drugged her up and brainwashed her. I hope his little plan backfires and he dies as a result.

Bizon, you're such a desperate idiot! Hina's just not that into you. Don't you see it? So, he scolds her and then forces a kiss on her? Way to go, Romeo! (*`へ´*)
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