| On another note, some anime characters are so poorly 'designed' that no wonder so many people want them dead (whole Tokyo 8.0 cast, half of the DtB2 cast and then some more anime I won't enumerate). |
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| People who drop the series after the first episode are idiots. I'm surprised they have enough attention span to stick with anything. I first episode has to be absolutely horrible for me to drop it after one ep, and I usually try to finish every anime I start. I would have missed out on a lot of great series if I dropped them after the first episode. The reason people want to see the characters die is because we know they never will and it takes the suspense out of the fight. What is the point of caring about the battle if it is always one sided. The good guys always pull through, win and never die no matter what the bad guys do. If even one good guy dies it makes it better because then there is the chance that they might actually lose. It's okay for some anime, but sometimes it's nice to know nothing bad will happen to your favorite characters. How many people want the characters they like to die, especially in every anime they watch? Not me. |
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| Oh yeah, still haven't watched ep 2 of CANAAN... |
Nitre said: Sora no Otoshimono is good but had a rather generic first episode. I was really surprised by how honest it was and how great the execution was. First impressions are hard to change though so I don't expect you to ever watch it again.I've dropped a few series at the first episode, and quite a few others are on hold also, but should really be considered dropped. Usually, it's extremely easy to tell whether a series will be worth my time or not. Good examples in my case are The Sacred Blacksmith and Sora no Otoshimono. I'm in the group that regrets watching past episode 1 of Canaan. Well, the only reason I even watched it was Sawashiro Miyuki so it wasn't all bad, but the anime itself was rather disappointing to say the least. It was based on a game so I guess it was to be expected. First impressions are really important; I gave two shows a second chance this season, Baka Test and Hanamaru and it turns out my first impression was spot on, or rather, I haven't changed my mind and am unable to enjoy them despite what anybody says. Hanamaru is just boring and the only funny thing about Baka Test is Kirishima Shouko. Anyway, this dude should just stop catering to the audience and just try to make an awesome show from start to finish. If you're expending all of your energy on the first episode in some misguided attempt at popularity you're doing it wrong. Do what you want to do and if people like it, great. If they don't, fine, at least you didn't compromise. Eventually you'll get popular or get kicked out of the industry. Either way, everybody wins. |
| What's wrong with picking the most entertaining shows to watch? I have given certain initially bad/boring shows second chances and enjoyed some of them. That said, there are enough series that are consistently good all the way through to safely ignore initially bad shows that might or might not get better later. In general, though everyone has their own counterexamples, shows that have good first episodes tend not to suck as much as those that don't. |
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Justicles said: dtshyk said: "I'm still seeking the solution to appeal to such people effectively." Boobs OMG the perfect description for bleach! |
TJR said: Seriously? How does the game compare then, story wise?kuroshiroi said: I'm in the group that regrets watching past episode 1 of Canaan. Well, the only reason I even watched it was Sawashiro Miyuki so it wasn't all bad, but the anime itself was rather disappointing to say the least. It was based on a game so I guess it was to be expected. The ball was entirely in their court though. Aside from the basic setting and character concepts, Canaan has nothing in common with the game it was based on. |
kuroshiroi said: The game has different story, where though Maria and Canaan appear, but they aren't really main characters. The main characters are rather Maria's twin sister and several other people, including Maria's dad. The basic story is that they are trying to stop a terrorsit group from poisoning people in Shibuya with that if-forgot-what-it-name-was disease.TJR said: Seriously? How does the game compare then, story wise?kuroshiroi said: I'm in the group that regrets watching past episode 1 of Canaan. Well, the only reason I even watched it was Sawashiro Miyuki so it wasn't all bad, but the anime itself was rather disappointing to say the least. It was based on a game so I guess it was to be expected. The ball was entirely in their court though. Aside from the basic setting and character concepts, Canaan has nothing in common with the game it was based on. There was a pretty good blogpost on the original games story and how it connects to Alphard and Canaan, but now I only get 404 >: Well you can still look at the game's wiki page for further info. |
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sbyrstall said: AlexSadist-sama said: I did like episode 1, but didn't continue after that BECAUSE of what SatoriTokku said. I have only so mucht time in a day so I select certain animes to watch. It was nothing against Cannan. There was enough in it to keep me interested but not interested it enough.Oh well, it depends. Some people give stuff chances while some don't. ReaperEXE said: I wish I dropped Canaan at episode 1... I actually really liked it. Cheers! XD |
| That's why only the 1st episode of CANAAN was good. Jackass. |
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| After reading this thread I think there's a major difference between Internet watchers and Japanese natives that watch it on the TV. While the Japanese are bombarded with the same stuff over and over again, it's the exact opposite for foreigners. It seems like Internet watchers are more apt to watch a few more episodes before deciding if they want to drop it or not where as Japanese people will just flip the channel and watch whatever else is on. Kind of like how in the US all we have is American Idol and stupid CSI like shows. After a while it just becomes the same old shit we watched 4 years ago. |
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| At least with the people I know, watching the first episode of a series to see if you like it is simply called "sampling" it. If you don't continue, that's not "dropping" the series after one episode, you're just not starting to watch the series because it didn't catch your interest. What exactly is so surprising about that? Samplers work quite well, in my experience. The order I usually use to screen series is: apparent story genre, OPED, 1st episode sampler, then reviews. That last one is key due to First Episode Syndrome, much like Harushi 1st season had, where the 1st episode sucks but popular opinion is very positive. So if it's a generic genre like a harem romance, the OPED is uninteresting and the foreshadowed events look predictable, the first episode had a terrible premise and clearly no character development was going to happen, and the reviews on MAL or the like all complain that it was completely generic.... why would I want to watch it? If it hasn't caught my interest by that point, why waste time on it? More content is produced in a single minute around the world than any one person could consume in a lifetime. So why waste time on the boring and uninteresting when you could be searching for amazing or even life-changing things? You could watch 150 episodes of Bleach when it bores you to death, or you could join a fansubbing team and forge new friendships, or hone your art skills by producing fanart and meet new people on DeviantArt, or you could do a thousand other things that you enjoy and can personally grow from doing. At the minimum, you could just watch something interesting. Yeah, rating a series after 1 episode is bad behavior because you never watched it, but skipping a series because it didn't look good makes complete sense. |
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| ITT you're watching anime the wrong way! You are rating anime the wrong way! You're entertaining yourself the wrong way! |
ShootTheBullet said: You're entertaining yourself the wrong way! ...in Bed. Kind of what his statement boils down to. Whether animators are artists or entertainers, they don't get to pick their audience. All they can do is work with what they have, and complaining about the viewers doesn't really help. |
TorisunanohokoriMar 26, 2010 9:42 PM
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| They are really going the wrong way about pulling people in. Not only do you not need people to be hooked by episode 1 because if the rest is good, people that stick with it regardless WILL spread the word if it's worth watching. Beyond that, the real draw in first episodes should be more foreboding, not flat out action or someone dying. |
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Ando Masahiro said: "It's challenging to let people just watch a series. ... Nowadays, young people are surrounded by abundant amusements. They can spare time only for a couple of series. That's why most of the series are dropped only by the impression of episode 1." "It was surprising to know that the audience want a clear presentation of 'What this anime is about' in the first episode." "Super-high density and pace of the story is one of the ideas. I'm still seeking the solution to appeal to such people effectively." ...is it me or is that the perfect definition of about 80% of the anime viewers in MAL? I guess this is true internationally and not just in Japan. |
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| I think the first episode was.. explosive (can't think of another word). The actions were superb and there was so much of them within just the first episode which I felt was amazing. Some might say it was overdone or over the top, but I found it very awesome. |
ReaperEXE said: I wish I dropped Canaan at episode 1... Lol, me too. But I try to not judge until episode 3 or 4. :P |
ReaperEXE said: I wish I dropped Canaan at episode 1... Me too... really, this is the third stupidest thing I've ever saw |
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dtshyk said: "It was surprising to know that the audience want a clear presentation of 'What this anime is about' in the first episode." LOL. Isn't it Writing 101 to have the beginning of your story let the audience know what the blasted thing's going to be about? XP Obviously your anime series needs a strong hook to get people interested in watching the rest of the show. It's the same with books--if the first chapter doesn't interest the readers, what reason do they have to read the next 39 chapters? |
Torisunanohokori said: ShootTheBullet said: You're entertaining yourself the wrong way! ...in Bed. Kind of what his statement boils down to. Whether animators are artists or entertainers, they don't get to pick their audience. All they can do is work with what they have, and complaining about the viewers doesn't really help. I honestly didn't read the director's quotes as complaints. When he says "I'm still seeking the solution", I sort of interpreted that as he wants to figure out a way to appeal to these people, not as "I don't like these ungrateful fans". That said, I think making first episodes more and more flashy is not a good route to go down. While maybe from marketing perspective the first episodes are the most important, and to create demand for a sequel you need a good ending, I feel like the middle episodes of anime tend to sag too much. I'd rather more focus was made on them. |
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