Harsh Truths People Can't Accept - English Dub Aren't Cringe becau...

@Reign_of_Floof I wouldn't say so, because it's a spectrum. You can agree that the absolute worst examples are terrible, but even average dubs are pretty cringy and on-par with average English dubs in cringiness. The issue is simply whether or not you speak Japanese well enough to feel the cringe.

Cringe comes from the dissonance between how the line is spoken in the show, and how you think the line should sound in the language in general. This is not something that can be measured without a baseline to begin with.

@ktg There is no such thing as the anime "format". At most they had "anime inspired styles" and even that's arguable.

CDawgVA is a Japanese youtuber... not an industry specialist in America.

@Piromysl Precisely! Which is what I said - anime is pretty cringy. It's overacted and has child protagonists. Which is why those anime-themed games share the same problem that anime does.

@therealnagora It absolutely is a dub - it's dubbed over the animation. That's what the term means, originally, before people started to only associate it with the sub vs dub dichotomy.

They really, really don't sound like anime. I've lived in Japan most of my life, and the closest you'll get are girls trying to sound like kids to appeal to weirdos. I do see that fairly often in and around the red light district, but that's about it.

Why would Americans be out of place in space?

The sentence structure differences are why transliteration is bad, and localisation is good - because you can express the same concepts in different ways, so it generally isn't a problem in localised dubbing.

what can I say but :
Whenever I manage to force someone new into watching anime one of their comments is how loud people are. Shounen anime is constant screaming, girls constantly do some girly sounds etc. And I agree. It took some time for me to adjust.

And I try to watch dubs if available. But many modern dubbed anime kinda have monotonous delivery. And anything in school setting is unbearably cringe in English for some reason

Do I really need to explain this? If you don't already understand the concept of preferring things in their authentic form then it's forever beyond you. There's nothing I can say.

@XMGA030 "I don't know my own opinion on the matter well enough to explain it, so I'll just act like you're too stupid to understand instead."

@valico To be fair, I think he is too stupid to understand. Asking why someone prefers the original to a copy is a pretty dumb question. It's also weird to call a Welsh voice actor with 41 IMDB credits "A Japanese youtuber" in order to dismiss his opinions about voice acting.

@therealnagora
yeah, any normal person would've immediately understood what I said, maybe recalling something from their own life experience like "it's true, I feel better enjoying (Example Here) the way it was intended to be instead of some bastardized fifth-rate version of it"

but he couldn't even do that

I think mom was probably drinking

I'd add to this that if one checks the Japanese dubs of American shows like say, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, The Boys etc. none of the women sound like very high-pitched voices we are familiar with in anime. So it's not like an issue of they don't have the supply for this talent, but that simply anime watchers prefer it that way. A lot of anime girls tend to be super young, and also have a specific archetype that lends itself to that kind of voice acting, and therefore those voices get cast for them. It's kind of unfortunate I guess, but it is the industry working as intended in terms of giving paying customers what they want.

Steve Blum - Cowboy bebop.............

@ItachiDeltaForce My go-to example of a cringe performance. He makes Spike sound like a teenager pretending to be The Fonz or something. Awful.

This is just an expression of hate for femininity given auditory form, because that's essentially what that is: The sound of femininity. Better for girls to sound like what they are than masquerading as what they are not. Taking sex out of it, it's like being upset over humans sounding like humans and not like giraffes or jaguars.

you are a clueless noob tourist.....regardless of what u think that perfomance is the cornerstone and blueprint for brilliant eng dubs


u are in a very very tiny minority on this one

I'm surprised that you took any of that either as insulting or as intended to be. If it's because of the use of the word "hate" (that's become something of a buzzword, I guess, in a lot of modern political discourse) in this context, then it wasn't intended as a value judgment of your hate; only recognition of it. There are a lot of things I hate. Whether someone else hates something or not isn't something I care about at all other than as a point of curiosity and passing conversation - It's not something which causes me to hold their character in contempt and I have zero interest in thought policing real or alleged misogyny, misandry, or any of the like. I'm also not a subscriber to or adherent of what some people call "woke" ideology or anything of that nature, so think you may have been reading just a bit too much into or taking the wrong idea/impression away from my comment.

The point is, concerning what is natural, the high-pitched feminine voices objectively sound like humans in the sense that they're spoken by humans. It's a series of sounds made by human vocal cords. So of course it will sound human, the female half of humanity in the girls' and young women's characters' case, and not like a bat or a lava flow. Now, you can argue about the degree of what is natural and authentic human vocal and speech patterns versus artificial electronic enhancement and that's a valid consideration to keep in mind, but I've heard enough high-pitched Japanese and other East Asian girls over the years in in-person/real life or otherwise unscripted scenarios to know that it's not just a fabricated invention. At most it's a slight exaggeration in some cases.

That's not to paint all of their sex or ethnicity with one broad brush either as there are also plenty who don't sound like that or, at least, I've never heard and witnessed their voice reach that range in any context, but it's not some reach or a unicorn phenomenon to have excited feminine Japanese girls chatter frantically about something.

@XMGA030 You're suggesting they should have projected their own experience onto you in order to assume your reasoning rather than you providing a simple, brief explanation to make sure they properly understood you?

Yes, it's my fault. I tend to assume that people online have at least a 95 IQ. Indeed, as they (he) pointed out, this isn't still 1995 -- we're much dumber these days.

@XMGA030 So in current year, we no longer share our personal opinions and only project our own beliefs onto others? I see why things have gone to shit.

We're sometimes guilty of assuming the creatures these days have a human level of comprehension, yes.

Always the same cope I've seen from dubtards, yikes.

Also, what's the point of watching foreign media if you refuse to listen it in the original language? Is hearing foreign language that intimidating to your ears?

Authentic in anime doesn't mean 'raw', it just means the original unaltered production. Your stupid quibble about subtitles is like saying if I were eating out in japan I'm not getting the real japanese restaurant experience all because I ordered from a menu printed in english, even if I use freakin' chopsticks and go itadakimasu. We're only talking about a video overlay on the bottom of a screen to know what the characters are saying; it's an innocuous thing and not subtracting from the substance of the show, unlike a dub that totally changes the spoken language and butchers the pronunciations of names and words. Even if some shitwit corporate translator trying to be funny ad-libs the dialogue here and there the anime, behind the subtitles, is still the real thing: 100% Made in Japan.

Truly inauthentic is watching something set in japan where everyone speaks american english. Is that simple enough or does someone need to paint you a goddamn picture?

Well, if that’s a issue, just stick to English media then :)))))))

I have ADHD so that argument doesn’t work, and if it’s that bad, medication is always an option :))))). And in the case I end up with vision problems, I’ll just quit fiction altogether.