| Gen Z and Alpha anime fans being cringe is not really something I would consider as "problematic", but that's just me though. |
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| The Anime Man Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk damn bro |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| the anime men are just as dumb as the gatekeepers. |
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| I don't typically mind them, but what I do dislike are anime reactors who obviously only watch anime to get views and who aren't really fans of the stuff they watch; you can tell because they forget things about the plot that real diehard fans wouldn't forget. |
Reply to ktg
He's also an anime tourist, so I don't know why you would share his video on this topic.
| @ktg hes doenst qualify as an anime tourist. Dont get me wrong, I dont like him either, but he aint one. |
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| I'm an anime tourist myself. Depends on the attitude one takes. |
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| @ktg Ok... now my question is, is the comment about "One Piece isn't political" in reference to One Piece's in-world politics or in reference to our real world politics? |
Reply to BredtobeBread
literally who cares. "anime tourism" isn't real, it's just a term used by people who are upset that their supposed niche interest isn't as niche as they thought.
| @BredtobeBread real. average gate keeper behavior |
| First off, Anime Man is a hack fraud with bad taste and worse opinions. Secondly, just call them casuals jesus christ it's not that deep. Some people only like anime casually, and others are obsessives. It's the same with literally every form of entertainment media and beyond. |
| People who use tourism unironically are not exactly anime aficionados either. What value do people who are not "tourists" and proclaims themselves as such bring to the community? What level of expertise do they profess to have that makes the community richer? Oh, you played an eroge, you must be such an expert! Almost every person who complains of "tourism" are those who have the same level of media literacy as Cinemasins or TheCriticalDrinker. Half of their watchlist is brainless isekai or ecchi yet they portend themselves as being the definitive, authoritative force on on anime. It is annoying to me that those who complain the most about tourism are those who make the least substantive content about anime. Often it is just young men in the 20s who do not know anything but want to imagine that their viewing of anime contributes to some greater, more meaningful conflict, but this is just projection. They do not like anime, they use it as some political cudgel in some culture war that they fight in, against the "woke" boogeyman. Art to them is not something to be personally engaged with, but as escapism to be utilized in their war on reality. |
"Have we not eaten while another starved? Will you punish us for that? Will you reward us for the virtue of starving while others ate? No man earns punishment, no man earns reward. Free your mind of the idea of deserving, the idea of earning, and you will begin to be able to think.” |
Reply to ktg
@DigiCat Technically both, but I - and he - referred to our real world politics.
| @ktg Well if he was reffering to real world poilics... i'm gonna have to agree with him While of course real world politics can influence that of the fictional world one is creating and said stories can even be used as a way to express one's views and be a sort of social commentary, i don't think classifying such works as "political" in the sense you're ferrering to would be accurate To use an example i'm better versed in, Star Wars very obviously has politcs as one of it's central themes, and yes, there are scenarios that can be compared to ones in the real world, but the politics of the Star Wars galaxy is still not the politics of our countries on planet earth, hence it is not a political piece in the sense of taking sides on real world political issues, it is simply a story with it's own worldbuilding and naturally politics plays a part in that wolrdbuilding |
Reply to ktg
@DigiCat Just say that you don't know what political means. We would have understood it easier.
It is accurate because the point of a fictional work is to tell a message. And this is true for every fictional work, even if it aimed towards kids. But while for kids you would work with simple messages like "friendship is good" or "don't hurt animals", for adult you would go with much more complex themes, like politics.
To be fair, you could make the argument that the importance of friendship is also political, because humans are social beings, so for a healthy life style, they would likely need to make some friends.
It literally is and George Lucas said this himself. Do you think you know it better what the intention was than the creator of Star Wars?
He literally stated that the evil Empire is the US and the rebels are the viet congs:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HDJyAapsLJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rmnO46iKrw
The reason why you create a fictional world to explore a political concept is because then the audience won't bring their prejudice. You cannot be racist against wookiees, because you don't know them, but if another race is racist against them, then the author could explore racism through these these fictional races and give you a message about racism.
So you are 100% wrong, because EVERY political concepts in these fictional worlds are real world political issues. For example, in one of One Piece's arcs the topic is universal healthcare, again that's a real world concept. You won't be able to create fictional politics when you try to model human behaviors and societies even if you do it in a fictional world, because otherwise the characters wouldn't feel like human beings and the audience wouldn't be able to connect to them.
DigiCat said:
i don't think classifying such works as "political" in the sense you're ferrering to would be accurate
i don't think classifying such works as "political" in the sense you're ferrering to would be accurate
It is accurate because the point of a fictional work is to tell a message. And this is true for every fictional work, even if it aimed towards kids. But while for kids you would work with simple messages like "friendship is good" or "don't hurt animals", for adult you would go with much more complex themes, like politics.
To be fair, you could make the argument that the importance of friendship is also political, because humans are social beings, so for a healthy life style, they would likely need to make some friends.
DigiCat said:
but the politics of the Star Wars galaxy is still not the politics of our countries on planet earth, hence it is not a political piece in the sense of taking sides on real world political issues
but the politics of the Star Wars galaxy is still not the politics of our countries on planet earth, hence it is not a political piece in the sense of taking sides on real world political issues
It literally is and George Lucas said this himself. Do you think you know it better what the intention was than the creator of Star Wars?
He literally stated that the evil Empire is the US and the rebels are the viet congs:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HDJyAapsLJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rmnO46iKrw
The reason why you create a fictional world to explore a political concept is because then the audience won't bring their prejudice. You cannot be racist against wookiees, because you don't know them, but if another race is racist against them, then the author could explore racism through these these fictional races and give you a message about racism.
So you are 100% wrong, because EVERY political concepts in these fictional worlds are real world political issues. For example, in one of One Piece's arcs the topic is universal healthcare, again that's a real world concept. You won't be able to create fictional politics when you try to model human behaviors and societies even if you do it in a fictional world, because otherwise the characters wouldn't feel like human beings and the audience wouldn't be able to connect to them.
ktg said: Just say that you don't know what political means. We would have understood it easier I do know what political means I also know there is a difference between real world politics and in-world politics ktg said: It is accurate because the point of a fictional work is to tell a message. And this is true for every fictional work, even if it aimed towards kids. But while for kids you would work with simple messages like "friendship is good" or "don't hurt animals", for adult you would go with much more complex themes, like politics. Like i said, yes, your story can have a message, but having a message that is influenced by politics is different than actually putting real world politics in your story The only time i could see a story being political in the sense your saying is if it's one based in the real world and specifically about whatever issues are relevent to the time it's set in ktg said: To be fair, you could make the argument that the importance of friendship is also political, because humans are social beings, so for a healthy life style, they would likely need to make some friends And honestly, the fact you're comparing friendship to politics is making me think you are the one who doesn't know what politics means ktg said: It literally is and George Lucas said this himself. Do you think you know it better what the intention was than the creator of Star Wars? He literally stated that the evil Empire is the US and the rebels are the viet congs: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HDJyAapsLJw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rmnO46iKrw Again, you do realize there is a difference between being inspired by real world politics and even expressing your views within that story vs making it about real world politics Maybe listen to George Lucas's words more carefully ktg said: The reason why you create a fictional world to explore a political concept is because then the audience won't bring their prejudice. You cannot be racist against wookiees, because you don't know them, but if another race is racist against them, then the author could explore racism through these these fictional races and give you a message about racism I am sorry, but that right there is doing nothing but prove your ignorance Do you think humans were (some even still are) racist towards other humans who didn't look like them because they "knew them"? What kind of logic is "you can't be racist towards X spiecies because you don't know them"? The whole root of rascism is based on ignorance, on not knowing shit about other cultures |
| It reminds me of my experience of trudging through Goranger and JAKQ Dengekitai and then moving on to Battle Fever J, Denziman and Choujin Sentai Jetman only to find somebody who recently posted a review of Zenkaiger on IMDB and who wrote that Avataro Sentai Donbrothers copied Zenkaiger - in his experience, the first Sentai he ever watched in his/her life, so no idea on which merits that person judged - only because Zenkaiger came before it not knowing that who copied in reality is the main writer of Zenkaiger (also the main writer of Kamen Rider Gavv), Junko Komura, who was inspired by Choujin Sentai Jetman (she's not the only one) like she clearly made clear in Zyuohger and Kamen Rider Drive. That person should 100% qualify as a tokusatsu tourist, if I have well understood. BTW, @tchitchouan Bioman is arriving on my TV soon, I've downloaded it together with the sequel, Dynaman and Goggle V, and I've also re-downloaded Battle Fever J (for my waifu Miss America, of course). We'll see how it will turn. |
ProudElitistSep 16, 11:29 AM
| @MAlibabba my only legit question is why you watched the Evangelion Rebuild movies if you're so against videogame remakes. I'm not the greatest Hideaki Anno fan even if I've watched almost all his animes (I don't care of the Cutie Honey OAVs, TBH) and some of his Live Actions (Shiki-Jitsu....uuugh) nor I think EVA is what its fanbase makes it (it's a barebone Urutoraman tribute by a depressed Urutoraman fan more than anything) and the Jailbait character of the show as of now have lost all sexual appeal to me (funnily enough, I found to my liking the one I've always hated, Ritsuko, because of her short blonde hair) but I've boycotted those movies since they were announced and I've never looked back. Because I 100% knew they were going to suck ass. EVA became a sensation because it was the right time and because we had no access to Urutoraman or the other tokusatsu IPs like Gojira back in the day like we do today to understand what Anno was homaging, and it was impossible to repeat the same thing again. So, I don't understand why you watched them to begin with. Said with no hate, nothing. Just simple curiosity. |
| I flip back and forth between whether """tourists""" are super heros or the haters are super weenies. Is causing trauma and suffering to others by watching dubs and having critiques of anime a super power that """tourists""" have, or are those who claim to be suffering and dying from others watching dubs, people with opinions, etc. just a cluster of super weenies? Perhaps it's a chicken and egg situation. |
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Thread locked. Basically just throwing insults at each other now, so locking thread. |
Thread Unlocked If there are any more insults or slurs thrown about, it will be locked permanently next time. Keep it civil. |
| Oh I remember this. Mmm, nah. This is just easy youtube farming, and Joey is just getting a bag for making drama. That video everyone is responding to was just ass lmao. There are more hardcore anime fans than there are views on that ass youtube video they are responding to 🤷 |
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| Never been, my favorite destination I've been to so far is Vilnius, Lithuania though. Highly recommend it, though hopefully no mass tourism. CHEERS! |
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Reply to jacobPOL
Just like one Japanese person said on the homie damian channel said "From a Japanese perspective, people who weren't raised in Japan (regardless of race) don't really understand Japanese culture and society, so they're all tourists."
So as it shows this tourism discourse is pointless because everyone are tourists at the end of the day.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QTggCJDQSc&t=493s
So as it shows this tourism discourse is pointless because everyone are tourists at the end of the day.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QTggCJDQSc&t=493s
| @jacobPOL That's so makes sense actually. So just be a good tourist then right? Just don't rock the boat to much |
Reply to ktg
@DigiCat
You just described what a political show looks like and then claimed it wasn't political.
The in-world politics based on real world politics that's the point. You can understand the in-world political problem, because we have the same issues with our real world politics. In an anthropomorphic show you can understand the racism between 2 types of animal because structurally it's the same racism as we have in the real world.
This statement makes no sense. The point when the political problem exists in your fictional world, because every world is fictional, you won't have real world politics ever. It's like saying that you want to meet the real world Chewbacca and not the fictional world Chewbacca. There's no real world Chewbacca and there's no real world politics in a fictional world, because it's FICTIONAL. That's the point.
(One exception can be made for documentary.)
Every fictional world is based on the real world. That's the point of storytelling. You choose a rule or point of view of the real world and build a fictional world around it. You won't find a single fictional world that wasn't based on the real world.
Lol, I'm not comparing. I'm talking about one containing the other one. The word politics means - by definition - public life and that includes societal behavior as well, how you interact with others, e.g. friendship.
There's no difference. Even your story technically "happens" in our modern day and age, it's still fictional. There's no real world politics in a fictional world, you have fictional politics always and always about real world politics.
Done. He still says that I'm right and you are wrong.
No. I don't think that. It's factually true.
When someone asks a racist why he is racist against a certain group, why do they answer with a statement about that group?
- "They are stupider"
- "They are rapist"
- "They are thieves"
Yes, people who are racist think that they know that that certain group which would legitimate their hate towards them. Humans try to be logical so they come up with arguments that would rationalize their decision.
Just to prove my point, I can also support this with quotes:
"Yet racists believe that humans are grouped into distinct races with very similar abilities and behaviours that allow each group to be ranked against another. And a racist always believes that they are a member of the superior race"
https://theconversation.com/racism-defies-logic-so-dont-go-searching-for-any-45617
This pretty much proves my point. Racists think that they know that specific group and even their own group. That's why they can make this ranking.
The logic that supported by every research study.
Incorrect, it's based on misinterpreting KNOWN things. People learn from the media - or certain type of media - that there was a research that found out that the black people have lower IQ. So a racist person would use this knowledge to legitimate his hate. Therefore - as I said - racism comes from knowing thing.
Even the Nazis believed that they knew the Jews. That's how they legitimatized their own actions.
What you probably misinterpreted is that you think I also say that they understand what they know, but that's not true. Understanding and knowing things are 2 different things. Racist people know things that they can't understand.
DigiCat said:
I do know what political means
I do know what political means
You just described what a political show looks like and then claimed it wasn't political.
The in-world politics based on real world politics that's the point. You can understand the in-world political problem, because we have the same issues with our real world politics. In an anthropomorphic show you can understand the racism between 2 types of animal because structurally it's the same racism as we have in the real world.
DigiCat said:
Like i said, yes, your story can have a message, but having a message that is influenced by politics is different than actually putting real world politics in your story
Like i said, yes, your story can have a message, but having a message that is influenced by politics is different than actually putting real world politics in your story
This statement makes no sense. The point when the political problem exists in your fictional world, because every world is fictional, you won't have real world politics ever. It's like saying that you want to meet the real world Chewbacca and not the fictional world Chewbacca. There's no real world Chewbacca and there's no real world politics in a fictional world, because it's FICTIONAL. That's the point.
(One exception can be made for documentary.)
DigiCat said:
The only time i could see a story being political in the sense your saying is if it's one based in the real world and specifically about whatever issues are relevent to the time it's set in
The only time i could see a story being political in the sense your saying is if it's one based in the real world and specifically about whatever issues are relevent to the time it's set in
Every fictional world is based on the real world. That's the point of storytelling. You choose a rule or point of view of the real world and build a fictional world around it. You won't find a single fictional world that wasn't based on the real world.
DigiCat said:
And honestly, the fact you're comparing friendship to politics is making me think you are the one who doesn't know what politics means
And honestly, the fact you're comparing friendship to politics is making me think you are the one who doesn't know what politics means
Lol, I'm not comparing. I'm talking about one containing the other one. The word politics means - by definition - public life and that includes societal behavior as well, how you interact with others, e.g. friendship.
DigiCat said:
Again, you do realize there is a difference between being inspired by real world politics and even expressing your views within that story vs making it about real world politics
Again, you do realize there is a difference between being inspired by real world politics and even expressing your views within that story vs making it about real world politics
There's no difference. Even your story technically "happens" in our modern day and age, it's still fictional. There's no real world politics in a fictional world, you have fictional politics always and always about real world politics.
DigiCat said:
Maybe listen to George Lucas's words more carefully
Maybe listen to George Lucas's words more carefully
Done. He still says that I'm right and you are wrong.
DigiCat said:
Do you think humans were (some even still are) racist towards other humans who didn't look like them because they "knew them"?
Do you think humans were (some even still are) racist towards other humans who didn't look like them because they "knew them"?
No. I don't think that. It's factually true.
When someone asks a racist why he is racist against a certain group, why do they answer with a statement about that group?
- "They are stupider"
- "They are rapist"
- "They are thieves"
Yes, people who are racist think that they know that that certain group which would legitimate their hate towards them. Humans try to be logical so they come up with arguments that would rationalize their decision.
Just to prove my point, I can also support this with quotes:
"Yet racists believe that humans are grouped into distinct races with very similar abilities and behaviours that allow each group to be ranked against another. And a racist always believes that they are a member of the superior race"
https://theconversation.com/racism-defies-logic-so-dont-go-searching-for-any-45617
This pretty much proves my point. Racists think that they know that specific group and even their own group. That's why they can make this ranking.
DigiCat said:
What kind of logic is "you can't be racist towards X spiecies because you don't know them"?
What kind of logic is "you can't be racist towards X spiecies because you don't know them"?
The logic that supported by every research study.
DigiCat said:
The whole root of rascism is based on ignorance, on not knowing shit about other cultures
The whole root of rascism is based on ignorance, on not knowing shit about other cultures
Incorrect, it's based on misinterpreting KNOWN things. People learn from the media - or certain type of media - that there was a research that found out that the black people have lower IQ. So a racist person would use this knowledge to legitimate his hate. Therefore - as I said - racism comes from knowing thing.
Even the Nazis believed that they knew the Jews. That's how they legitimatized their own actions.
What you probably misinterpreted is that you think I also say that they understand what they know, but that's not true. Understanding and knowing things are 2 different things. Racist people know things that they can't understand.
ktg said: You just described what a political show looks like and then claimed it wasn't political Again, you confuse real life politics vs in-world politics I don't know how may times i've repeated myself, there is a difference between making something blatently political vs being influenced by politics, having a parallel between the story and the real world See, example 1 would be inserting every chance one gets things like BLM or MAGA Example 2 is George Lucas basing the dynamics between the rebels and the empire on those between Viet-Kong and the US I don't think you even realize, most fantasy worlds are created with their own governtments, monarchies, empires whatever else, which means in-world politics can potentially play a part in that story, so by your logic, we're going into "all art is political" territory, and frankly, that is one of the stupidest take i've ever seen on the internet ktg said: Done. He still says that I'm right and you are wrong See, it is this attitude that keeps people ignorant ktg said: No. I don't think that. It's factually true. When someone asks a racist why he is racist against a certain group, why do they answer with a statement about that group? - "They are stupider" - "They are rapist" - "They are thieves" Let me get this straight You think, these statements that are made about different racial groups, are made because the other group "knows them", so you think these statements are true? You don't think the reason they make such statements is because they in fact know nothing about said groups and are spawns of ignorance and prejudice? I mean i'd say i'm shocked, but after that "Done. He still says that I'm right and you are wrong" it does align with your mentality ktg said: Yes, people who are racist think that they know that that certain group which would legitimate their hate towards them. Humans try to be logical so they come up with arguments that would rationalize their decision Btw there is a difference between "think that you know" and "knowing" ktg said: Incorrect, it's based on misinterpreting KNOWN things. People learn from the media - or certain type of media - that there was a research that found out that the black people have lower IQ. So a racist person would use this knowledge to legitimate his hate. Therefore - as I said - racism comes from knowing thing I gotta say, you are doing a great job at entertaining me xD You used as an example a quack research of "black people have lower IQ", claimed that the racist were racist because they knew black people had lower IQ, which they infact didn't because they based their knowledge on false and incomplete information, yes, incomplete, as IQ is not the sole mesurment of intelligence, and you used all this while people have been racist dicks since long before this "research"... again, i can't be surprised as it fits with your mentality |
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