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| wow shanks got pretty damn gorgeous. you can see the difference with the flashbacks. |
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| Wonder if luffy's crew has gotten the news... |
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| shanks=bamf why are there always people who find solace in pointless deaths? those dumb vice admirals should realize that the goal of the war is over. thank god for shanks and sengoku's good judgement. |
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Rasco said: Wonder if luffy's crew has gotten the news... Yeah me too. I want to see their reactions to the whole thing... SHANKS!!! I want to see him fight so much... p.s.Oda you killed my Ace I hope you won't kill Shanks as well in the future!!! |
marywhistley said: p.s.Oda you killed my Ace It's not yours, it's mine. |
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| I really loved this arc.. one of my favourites, the only thing I didn't like is the pacing 3 quarters in really went crap, I started shutting my mind off half the time, but it redeemed itself. |
| Well that arc was one of, if not the, best ever. I'm pretty sure Shanks doesn't have a devil fruit power as he saved Luffy in the sea, unless of course he's eaten one since. I just think he's got the strongest Haki out of everyone. |
| SHANKS IS BADASS. |
If you don't like me, acquire some taste |
| Oh man, the moment Shanks enters the battlefield, even the Admirals halt. |
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| Okay so I guess that this is the final episode of this arc. This arc was without a doubt better then Impel down. I loved the chaos on the battle field, there were a lot times were random people jumped in one on one fights and that made things interesting. Also most fights were short and fun to watch. My only gripe is that we didn't get anything story related in this arc and more importantly we didn't get to see what the motivation is of some of the keyplayers in this arc. I would like a reason as to why WB pirates and marines got in this war. Yes I know that they are suppose to kill pirates/criminals and WB pirates were trying to save Ace bla bla, but these pirates can't be called criminals. Like we have a character like Akainu is was willing to kill one of his own people just to kill pirates who were fighting to run away. That hate where does it come from? Is it personal or is it his way of thinking. This just seems too much drama just to kill/save one damn person. But this is a problem almost every one piece has, lack of character depth and every conflict starts because our hero is trying to save a person. Edit: Oh Shanks was awesome in this epside, totally had a fangirl moment when he showed up xD |
SaSa-ZoldyckSep 26, 2014 1:03 PM
| ''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
| Why the Navy and WG try to execute Ace is for the sole purpose of showing the power of the Navy and WG as a warning to all the pirate, that Navy and WG is strong enough to take on one of the Yonkou. while WB purpose in saving Ace is because he never let anyone touch/harm his crew. This war itself doesn't have any deep meaning whatsoever but, this war will be trigger of the big change that effect the entire world, you'll see it eventually that this war has a great impact to One Piece world. about Akainu, yeah, that's Akainu, I doesn't find it strange when he kill his own men since I already saw him did worse at Robin past. |
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SaSa-Zoldyck said: Okay so I guess that this is the final episode of this arc. This arc was without a doubt better then Impel down. I loved the chaos on the battle field, there were a lot times were random people jumped in one on one fights and that made things interesting. Also most fights were short and fun to watch. My only gripe is that we didn't get anything story related in this arc and more importantly we didn't get to see what the motivation is of some of the keyplayers in this arc. I would like a reason as to why WB pirates and marines got in this war. Yes I know that they are suppose to kill pirates/criminals and WB pirates were trying to save Ace bla bla, but these pirates can't be called criminals. Like we have a character like Akainu is was willing to kill one of his own people just to kill pirates who were fighting to run away. That hate where does it come from? Is it personal or is it his way of thinking. This just seems too much drama just to kill/save one damn person. But this is a problem almost every one piece has, lack of character depth and every conflict starts because our hero is trying to save a person. Edit: Oh Shanks was awesome in this epside, totally had a fangirl moment when he showed up xD Dude, it's like you didn't even watch the arc (or the start of the series). Why would anyone wonder why they would put so much effort into killing the son of the Pirate King? Apart from the other stuff like Whitebeard viewing him as his son (I guess anyone would just let their son get executed, right?), and these "pirates who can't be called criminals" who sank an entire navy fleet that was just watching them....how could you miss the defining point of an era? Who comes out on top and dictates world affairs Nazi Germany or the Allies pirates or marines? I would have ignored this, but seeing you defend Gon's actions for Kite which is a more trivial relationship than Ace's and the pirates yet he went to just as (if not more lengths) just seemed way too odd. It's like you ignored the obvious on purpose. |
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tr1ckst3r said: Why the Navy and WG try to execute Ace is for the sole purpose of showing the power of the Navy and WG as a warning to all the pirate, that Navy and WG is strong enough to take on one of the Yonkou. Yeah I though about that, I can even remember something like that being said in the epsiode prior to this arc. But then I remembered that the Songoku wasn't sure if they could take on WB, he admitted that at the start of the war. So why would they put a show for the world to see when they are not sure that they will come out on top. They could have killed Ace and tour around the world with his head as a warning. Ofcourse we wouldn't have had this arc then but you get what I mean. tr1ckst3r said: while WB purpose in saving Ace is because he never let anyone touch/harm his crew. WB was a great awesome old man character. The way he lead his sons, the ambitions he had as a pirate, getting a family ect was all well done in my opinion. The rest of his crew could have been fleshed out more but thats okay, this was a action heavy arc. Just hope that they will be brought back in the story at some point, I'm really interested to see how the Marco guy and the son who was fooled by Akainu develop after this event. tr1ckst3r said: This war itself doesn't have any deep meaning whatsoever but, this war will be trigger of the big change that effect the entire world, you'll see it eventually that this war has a great impact to One Piece world. Good to know that I can look forward to that :) tr1ckst3r said: Lol was he in Robin's flashback? I can only remember Aokiji. I'm watching one piece at a slow pace so I forget details like that. Perhaps I should rewatch Robin's backstory, Akainu was the star of this arc for me. I just wished I knew why he was such a pitbull. I like understanding why characters act in a certain way.about Akainu, yeah, that's Akainu, I doesn't find it strange when he kill his own men since I already saw him did worse at Robin past. RedRoseFring said: SaSa-Zoldyck said: Okay so I guess that this is the final episode of this arc. This arc was without a doubt better then Impel down. I loved the chaos on the battle field, there were a lot times were random people jumped in one on one fights and that made things interesting. Also most fights were short and fun to watch. My only gripe is that we didn't get anything story related in this arc and more importantly we didn't get to see what the motivation is of some of the keyplayers in this arc. I would like a reason as to why WB pirates and marines got in this war. Yes I know that they are suppose to kill pirates/criminals and WB pirates were trying to save Ace bla bla, but these pirates can't be called criminals. Like we have a character like Akainu is was willing to kill one of his own people just to kill pirates who were fighting to run away. That hate where does it come from? Is it personal or is it his way of thinking. This just seems too much drama just to kill/save one damn person. But this is a problem almost every one piece has, lack of character depth and every conflict starts because our hero is trying to save a person. Edit: Oh Shanks was awesome in this epside, totally had a fangirl moment when he showed up xD Dude, it's like you didn't even watch the arc (or the start of the series). Why would anyone wonder why they would put so much effort into killing the son of the Pirate King? Sigh, an offended fanboy? Yes I watch this arc/story from the beginning, granted I'm watching the series at a slow pace and because of that I forget quite a bit. But I still have these questions, they might sound like foolish questions to you but you can just ignore me right. The thing is, to me being the son of the Pirate King is just a titel to me. Why would Ace be hated for that? We could see in the flashbacks that even civilians hated the Pirate King. What did the Pirate King do that was so unforgiving? RedRoseFring said: Apart from the other stuff like Whitebeard viewing him as his son (I guess anyone would just let their son get executed, right?), and these "pirates who can't be called criminals" who sank an entire navy fleet that was just watching them....how could you miss the defining point of an era? Who comes out on top and dictates world affairs Nazi Germany or the Allies pirates or marines? Yes who sank that fleet and when did that happen? :P Your not getting my point, we have seen multiple times times that the WG can't be classified as good or evil. On one hand they protect people from evil pirates and on the other hand they protect nobles who commit crimes, they turn a blind eye to the crimes partner Pirates commit yet hunt down Pirates who's goal is to create a family lol. I suspect that there are people within the WG that don't see eye to eye and this messed up policy is a product of their struggle. Atleast thats what Coby/Akainu scene made me think. It the end, I enjoy interaction (talking, battle of wits ect) between characters more then anything and this arc didn't have that. It was clear why WB got in this war but I was talking about characters like Akainu who are hell bent on killing pirates who just wanted to create a family while he has been working with pirates like crocodile and is still working with other pirates. I need to know what motivates people, thats just me. RedRoseFring said: I would have ignored this, but seeing you defend Gon's actions for Kite which is a more trivial relationship than Ace's and the pirates yet he went to just as (if not more lengths) just seemed way too odd. It's like you ignored the obvious on purpose. Were you not one of the people who always complained when HxH fans talked about naruto/one piece in HxH episode discussions lol. Either way, the hunter vs ant can't even be compared to this war. Yes Gon and Luffy had a similar goal but the conflict was more then just saving a person in HxH. And you know that damn well. |
| ''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
| Goddamit, why MAL doesn't have selective quoting? Ehh SaSa-Zoldyck The arc is an extremely important part of the story. It is a beginning and an end. Whitebeard's death has ended an era and his final speech relit the light of great pirate age. Through the whole manga Oda is reminding you of the fact, that the times and world are changing. Marineford war and deaths of Ace and WB were the exact moment, when an era ended. It's like birth of Christ. Did people realize at that time that holy shit, this is so important that we're officialy calling it a change of an era? Not really. We might not see how important that moment was yet, but by the time OP ends, we'll definetely know. Supernovas and blackbeard, as you're gonna find out a little later, are called (gonna spoiler tag that just in case, but it's nothing big really) They are a new wave that is gonna shape that new age. So while Whitebeard indeed ended an era, the whole war was only a beginning of the new one. So yeah, storywise it is extremely imporatnat moment, though the imporatnace of it is better seen from a bigger picture perspective. But it's definetely awesome, that whole theme of change and how Oda is pulling of something as big as a change of an era so subtly. As for the reasons? Well they wanted to execute Ace publicly becasue he is a symbol. And because they have failed the first time they tried to do this with Roger. By killing Roger, they wanted to end an era of pirates, but we know how that ended, so right know they try to repair it by killing Ace and sending a massage that even a son of the very pirate king can't escape justice. Unfortunetely, they knew WB is not gonna just let one of his sons die, so the battle was inevitable. So hey, let's kill whitebeard too! They lured him and and then put an end to his life in front of the whole world. That was a big win for them. They weren't sure if they'are capable of winning but who is when going to war? They showed balls, insted of waiting for god knows what. The pirate age is not gonna end by itself. Why was Ace hated for being pirate king son? They had to blame someone for Roger's sins, so they might as well hate his son. In current times that might seem wierd, but in the past it wasn't really that uncommon. It's the same blood, that's why. WG wants to eradicate pirates becasue they look for One Piece and One Piece is something that is going change the world when found. But that's not all. It's just how law works, that's all there is to it most of the times. Being a pirate = being a criminal. WB identified himself as a pirate, so there, that's all the reason they need. |
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SaSa-Zoldyck said: Sigh, an offended fanboy? No, just someone that is honestly flabbergasted that someone could miss the obvious so much. It's like if someone finished watching FMA and asked: "So, why were they trying to get their bodies back again?" Yes I watch this arc/story from the beginning, granted I'm watching the series at a slow pace and because of that I forget quite a bit. But I still have these questions, they might sound like foolish questions to you but you can just ignore me right. The thing is, to me being the son of the Pirate King is just a titel to me. Why would Ace be hated for that? We could see in the flashbacks that even civilians hated the Pirate King. What did the Pirate King do that was so unforgiving? I....How..... Hold up 1 sec so I can collect myself. I take it that you must have missed that Roger's actions are part of the mystery of his fame and the One Piece itself. That's fine (not really. It suggests that you didn't even watch the series, but it honestly isn't even worth it to pursue). At least now you know that the actions of the Pirate King and what exactly the One Piece is are parts of the mystery of the show. Yes who sank that fleet and when did that happen? :P The Whitebeard pirates right before the start of Marineford. I can believe that you somehow missed that...unlikely as that is, I can accept that. Your not getting my point, we have seen multiple times times that the WG can't be classified as good or evil. On one hand they protect people from evil pirates and on the other hand they protect nobles who commit crimes, they turn a blind eye to the crimes partner Pirates commit yet hunt down Pirates who's goal is to create a family lol. I suspect that there are people within the WG that don't see eye to eye and this messed up policy is a product of their struggle. Atleast thats what Coby/Akainu scene made me think. It the end, I enjoy interaction (talking, battle of wits ect) between characters more then anything and this arc didn't have that. And you kind of missed the point that that is YOUR interpretation of the WG. To the WG, the WG is good. They don't fret and think "Oh, we may be the bad guys here." And to the WG, Pirate= bad. They don't kill pirates because they want to raise families. They kill pirates because they are pirates. As for the Coby business, he was not complaining that they were killing pirates, he was complaining that they could be using the time to save dying marines instead. I see. So this arc didn't have interactions between characters. They just spoke telepathically in conversations the audience couldn't hear. Sorry, I forgot that's what happened. It was clear why WB got in this war but I was talking about characters like Akainu who are hell bent on killing pirates who just wanted to create a family while he has been working with pirates like crocodile and is still working with other pirates. I need to know what motivates people, thats just me. Then why did you question why the WB pirates joined the war? I would also suggest you never watch any mystery series, ever. That may just be too much for you. Secrets kept secrets (including the motivations of certain people) to be revealed later are the essence of the mystery genre. Were you not one of the people who always complained when HxH fans talked about naruto/one piece in HxH episode discussions lol. Either way, the hunter vs ant can't even be compared to this war. Yes Gon and Luffy had a similar goal but the conflict was more then just saving a person in HxH. And you know that damn well. *Sigh. Missed the point, didn't ya? This didn't even last 1% of the time the Marineford Arc took, yet you already forgot the question. I guess that reveals how you could have missed so much though. Anyway, I'll re-ask again: and in your own words: "the conflict was more then just saving a person in OP. But you damn well missed that because __" Edit: basically, you are saying: there are aspects of this war that were mysteries (and you even missed those that weren't), but I don't like mysteries, so I don't like it. Therefore, I would once again suggest that you never watch another mystery. The whole reason I didn't ignore this was because even though I don't like to throw the words around, I honestly thought this fell under the realm of 'common sense.' Actually, the more fitting term should be 'obvious'. I have never seen anyone question these things ever, so it took me completely by surprise. It's just one of those things that you think everyone watching would obviously get, like "What title does Naruto want to have?", or "Why does Frodo want to destroy the ring?" Heck, if someone asked "Why did the Jedi fight the Sith?", or one you may better understand, HxH Spoiler I'd have the exact same response. |
RedRoseFringSep 27, 2014 11:10 AM
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| RedRoseFring, Eh.. so one piece is a mystery anime now? HA who would have thought that! Seriously I do not have the patience and the energy to entertain you so I'm going to keep this short. I like mystery stories very much, that is as long as they do not keep characters superficial to keep some things hidden. Lets take Death note for example, lots of mysteries yet we knew everything about Light and L motivations, ambitions, visions, ethics ect. Is it really so hard for you to understand that I value character depth and character interactions more then anything and that I don't view Luffy and co scream ACEEEEEEEEEE, for I don't know how many episodes, as entertainment. About WG, are you trying to tell me that they do not see that they have double standards? Come on now. Of course they know, we are just not shown! and to me it feels like the show trying to convince me to ignore the huge elephant in the room. Like don't question what the Pirate king did that made people hate on his son. Just go with the flow and accept that everybody wants his head. Akainu gets mad when he sees pirates and is even to kill one of his own to kill Luffy. Yet he i working with other pirates. But don't question why he is acting this way. No we keep that a mystery. You might like your story writing this way but I don't. Its not that I don't understand that the WB crew was trying to save a son/bro. Its that I wanted this war to be about something bigger then just saving another nakama. You keep bring up Gon and Kite as argument but saving Kite was never the main goal for the hunter. Gon and Killua were the only ones who concerned themself with Kite. So how can you compare that with this arc? Saving Ace was the main objective of our heroes. Also it could be that I'm mistaken or that I forgot something but you do not need to be a douche about it. Feel free to correct me if you feel the need to or to state your opinion if you disagree with me but do not try to belittle me. Don't need you to suggest what I should or shouldn't watch thank you very much. Dahaka_, I will react on your post in a lil bit. |
| ''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
SaSa-Zoldyck said: RedRoseFring, Eh.. so one piece is a mystery anime now? HA who would have thought that! Well, for lack of better words, duh! How do you watch so many episodes and not notice? It's like you'd be surprised if I said it was also a comedy. Seriously I do not have the patience and the energy to entertain you so I'm going to keep this short. I like mystery stories very much, that is as long as they do not keep characters superficial to keep some things hidden. Lets take Death note for example, lots of mysteries yet we knew everything about Light and L motivations, ambitions, visions, ethics ect. Is it really so hard for you to understand that I value character depth and character interactions more then anything and that I don't view Luffy and co scream ACEEEEEEEEEE, for I don't know how many episodes, as entertainment. I haven't watched Death Note, but I am willing to bet that EVERY characters' guts and motivations were not spilled out in extensive monologues the minute they made an appearance. Going from your list, you have watched Monster. So did you complain when Johan's plan and motivations were not revealed until after 50 episodes? Did you complain about Roberto, Grimmer or the masters of the Red Rose Mansion who's motivations were not made known until near their deathbeds? What is hard to comprehend is how you've come so far and yet don't even know what a mystery is. The last thing I expect when coming to an anime forum is to hear someone literally complain about a mystery being mystery....wait, scratch that....there was a lot of that for Attack on Titan too, but that is besides the point. I am honestly just completely flabbergasted. About WG, are you trying to tell me that they do not see that they have double standards? Come on now. Of course they know, we are just not shown! Wow. I don't even.... Fine, let me just do this: "About motivations, are you telling me that the characters don't have any? Of course they do, we are just not shown yet!" and to me it feels like the show trying to convince me to ignore the huge elephant in the room. Like don't question what the Pirate king did that made people hate on his son. Just go with the flow and accept that everybody wants his head. Akainu gets mad when he sees pirates and is even to kill one of his own to kill Luffy. Yet he i working with other pirates. But don't question why he is acting this way. No we keep that a mystery. You might like your story writing this way but I don't. Wow. Just wow. If all you got from that is 'don't question it,' instead of 'keep watching, it's part of the surprise', I'd have to say something I've never said before for any anime: One Piece may actually be just too deep for you. Its not that I don't understand that the WB crew was trying to save a son/bro. Its that I wanted this war to be about something bigger then just saving another nakama. You keep bring up Gon and Kite as argument but saving Kite was never the main goal for the hunter. Gon and Killua were the only ones who concerned themself with Kite. So how can you compare that with this arc? Saving Ace was the main objective of our heroes. Another wow. It's bad because Whitebeard did not fight the war for the reason you would have fought a war. Because Whitebeard is not you. Ignoring the fact that the war was fought to determine who would rule the new era (which was clearly stated by multiple characters during 'interactions' which are apparently what you are looking for but are oblivious to), did the war stop when Ace was dead? If that was the whole point, shouldn't the war have stopped right there and then and everyone pack their bags? For someone who claims to want depth, you just sound like someone who literally wants to be spoonfed the obvious. Also it could be that I'm mistaken or that I forgot something but you do not need to be a douche about it. Feel free to correct me if you feel the need to or to state your opinion if you disagree with me but do not try to belittle me. Don't need you to suggest what I should or shouldn't watch thank you very much. No. It can't possibly be that because it is just too obvious. You're making me throw that word around so much, but I can't think of anything more obvious in any other anime, TV show or movie ever. The whole reason I started this diatribe was because it felt like someone was asking why the sky was blue. I'm trying (believe it or not), but it's hard not be a douche about it, just like if a teenager asked you why boys and girls have different bathrooms. I just can't. If you want, I can ask the question in the general shounen thread and you can see what kind of responses you get. |
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| I wanted to write this post last night but things got in the way :( Dahaka_ said: Goddamit, why MAL doesn't have selective quoting? Ehh SaSa-Zoldyck The arc is an extremely important part of the story. It is a beginning and an end. Whitebeard's death has ended an era and his final speech relit the light of great pirate age. Through the whole manga Oda is reminding you of the fact, that the times and world are changing. Marineford war and deaths of Ace and WB were the exact moment, when an era ended. It's like birth of Christ. Did people realize at that time that holy shit, this is so important that we're officialy calling it a change of an era? Not really. We might not see how important that moment was yet, but by the time OP ends, we'll definetely know. Supernovas and blackbeard, as you're gonna find out a little later, are called (gonna spoiler tag that just in case, but it's nothing big really) They are a new wave that is gonna shape that new age. So while Whitebeard indeed ended an era, the whole war was only a beginning of the new one. So yeah, storywise it is extremely imporatnat moment, though the imporatnace of it is better seen from a bigger picture perspective. But it's definetely awesome, that whole theme of change and how Oda is pulling of something as big as a change of an era so subtly. Yes they made it clear that this was the end of a era and the beginning of a new, but ''the end of a era'' is a vague term for me. I have no idea what kind of influence WB had on the world. Sure its clear that he is strong enough to endanger the planet but what did he do with that power? what effect did WB influence had on ordinary citizens ect. You get the drill. This arc focus was on the action and not so much on the characters or story in my opinion. We got a few backstories but they only showed how much Ace means to WB crew. Atleast the ones I can remember. (I finished this arc in 8 months so I forgot a bit). However is did entertain me with what it offered and I made that clear in my first post. If the importance of this event is going to be clear in the future arc then thats great. I look forward to seeing those episodes, however that doesn't change the fact that I missing depth right now. The thing is, I feel like this arc could have been more then it is had we gotten some detailed story beside the awesome action. Dahaka_ said: As for the reasons? Well they wanted to execute Ace publicly becasue he is a symbol. And because they have failed the first time they tried to do this with Roger. By killing Roger, they wanted to end an era of pirates, but we know how that ended, so right know they try to repair it by killing Ace and sending a massage that even a son of the very pirate king can't escape justice. Unfortunetely, they knew WB is not gonna just let one of his sons die, so the battle was inevitable. So hey, let's kill whitebeard too! They lured him and and then put an end to his life in front of the whole world. That was a big win for them. They weren't sure if they'are capable of winning but who is when going to war? They showed balls, insted of waiting for god knows what. The pirate age is not gonna end by itself. Interesting. I didn't even thought about that bold part. They knew how the public execution of Roger backfired and what do they do? they offer WB the same stage which he used ofcourse. From WG standpoint their best option was to kill Ace and make a world tour with his head. To bad nobody had that idea :P Dahaka_ said: Why was Ace hated for being pirate king son? They had to blame someone for Roger's sins, so they might as well hate his son. In current times that might seem wierd, but in the past it wasn't really that uncommon. It's the same blood, that's why. What sins? It's hard to imagine that Luffy's role model has done things that justifies the hatred people harbor not only for him but also his son. I can understand that the one piece, poneglyph ect are being kept in the dark but not this. Dahaka_ said: WG wants to eradicate pirates becasue they look for One Piece and One Piece is something that is going change the world when found. But that's not all. It's just how law works, that's all there is to it most of the times. Being a pirate = being a criminal. WB identified himself as a pirate, so there, that's all the reason they need. WG policy is inconsistent and its being ignored by every character. Something that doesn't work for me. And I took Akainu as example, he was hell bent on finishing off Ace/Luffy but he is okay with working with other pirates. Its hard for me to ignore the elephant in the room for story convenience. |
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SaSa-Zoldyck said: Yes they made it clear that this was the end of a era and the beginning of a new, but ''the end of a era'' is a vague term for me. I have no idea what kind of influence WB had on the world. Sure its clear that he is strong enough to endanger the planet but what did he do with that power? what effect did WB influence had on ordinary citizens ect. You get the drill. He didn't have to do anything. He was the strongest man alive under a jolly roger. He was a potential threat. Pirate is not bound by any laws and does whatever he wants. Just becasue he sits on his ass right now it doesn't mean he'll do that for the rest of his life. He is a wild card that WG can't control, that's why he, just as any other pirate, needs to be taken care of. Shichibukai are diffrent, becasue they work for WG. They are controlled to some extent. And death of Ace and WB is an end of an era not becasue of their influence, but because of their status. It's all very symbolic, because both ace an wb are remnants of the past. WB has been most likely the last active great pirate of Roger's era. SaSa-Zoldyck said: Interesting. I didn't even thought about that bold part. They knew how the public execution of Roger backfired and what do they do? they offer WB the same stage which he used ofcourse. From WG standpoint their best option was to kill Ace and make a world tour with his head. To bad nobody had that idea :P No, that would have been na act of cowardice. If they can't stand before an enemy face to face and win, then how the hell civilians are supposed to feel safe? That was a show of power, to prove a point. SaSa-Zoldyck said: HWhat sins? It's hard to imagine that Luffy's role model has done things that justifies the hatred people harbor not only for him but also his son. I can understand that the one piece, poneglyph ect are being kept in the dark but not this. He started a goddamn pirate age. He basically gave birth to houndred of thousand criminals. Summoned a plague. Although the show is about the dreamers type of pirate. it doesn't change the fact that most of them are out there stealing and killing. How they can NOT hate him for doing that to the world? SaSa-Zoldyck said: WG policy is inconsistent and its being ignored by every character. Something that doesn't work for me. And I took Akainu as example, he was hell bent on finishing off Ace/Luffy but he is okay with working with other pirates. Its hard for me to ignore the elephant in the room for story convenience. What other pirates? Shichibukai? They're under WG, Akainu can't do shit even if he wanted to (spoiler from the newst arc) It's not inconsistent. They want to get rid of pirates beacuse they are out of their control. Shichibukai are exceptions, because they are willingly getting under WG control in exchange for some profits. It's not like they want to eradicate pirates for no reason. They are afraid of them becasue there are secrets they do not want to see discovered and pirates have the biggest chance to achieve that. |
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| Seriously though SaSa-Zoldyck, it's like you didn't even watch the anime :/ |
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| Dahaka_ I'm gonna keep this short, also this will be my last reply on this thread. They offer money to who ever catches these pirates and have (dead or alive) wanted posters hanging every where of pirates they can't seems to find/kill. So how is killing Ace behind door a coward act?? It just doesn't make sense that they would chose to give WB a stage after the drama with Roger. But its just a small complaint really, I understand that things had to go this way of this arc to happen. I have seen the first 10 min of the next episode And about the WG policy, no i disagree with you. They are inconsisent as hell if their objective is to rule over the world in a righteous way. RedRoseFring, I thought that you would get the hint that I'm not interested to argue with somebody who can't even make his argument in a respectful manner after I ignored your previous post. But it looks like you missed the obvious. |
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And about the WG policy, no i disagree with you. They are inconsisent as hell if their objective is to rule over the world in a righteous way. How are they inconsistent? They do what they must and think is most beneficial. Like any government out there. I really don't know what you're getting at here. They offer money to who ever catches these pirates and have (dead or alive) wanted posters hanging every where of pirates they can't seems to find/kill. So how is killing Ace behind door a coward act?? It just doesn't make sense that they would chose to give WB a stage after the drama with Roger. Because Ace is a big deal. They don't need to brag about every small fry they catch, what's the point? But when you have a really big fish, it is another matter. It affects public opinion. Heavily. Catching some fodder pirates is not gonna impress anyone, but open execution of Pirate King's son? Besides, they were planning to kill Whitebeard from the start, so silent execution wasn't an option. They didn't give WB an open stage. They lured him there, set up a trap and killed him. The live breadcast went off when marines started playing dirty (by Sengoku's order) and it was only thanks to Buggy that the world heard WB words. |
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Dahaka_ said: And about the WG policy, no i disagree with you. They are inconsisent as hell if their objective is to rule over the world in a righteous way. How are they inconsistent? They do what they must and think is most beneficial. Like any government out there. I really don't know what you're getting at here. They offer money to who ever catches these pirates and have (dead or alive) wanted posters hanging every where of pirates they can't seems to find/kill. So how is killing Ace behind door a coward act?? It just doesn't make sense that they would chose to give WB a stage after the drama with Roger. Because Ace is a big deal. They don't need to brag about every small fry they catch, what's the point? But when you have a really big fish, it is another matter. It affects public opinion. Heavily. Catching some fodder pirates is not gonna impress anyone, but open execution of Pirate King's son? Besides, they were planning to kill Whitebeard from the start, so silent execution wasn't an option. They didn't give WB an open stage. They lured him there, set up a trap and killed him. The live breadcast went off when marines started playing dirty (by Sengoku's order) and it was only thanks to Buggy that the world heard WB words. Almost forgot about this discussion. After re-watching up till this point again, it is even more baffling how anyone could have missed these obvious things. I don't think anyone can claim that it was all super-subtle. |
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Racaholic said: Are serious?This was the best arc in the whole series.Thank god this shitty arc is finally over, it's the only one I actually didn't like. |
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| The interactions between Shanks and Buggy were just too good XD So the war is over. Shanks must be hella strong to subdue the whole of the Navy with his words alone- we've still never seen him in action though...I wonder if he's eaten a Devil Fruit or not... Anyway, this episode made me like the dude a ton- I just wish he was around more often!! Seems as though Blackbeard had something to do with Shanks' scar which I'm guessing he got a looooooong time ago since he had it when Luffy was a kid. Seeing Ace and Whitebeard's bodies was real sad as well- even more so when Shanks asked Sengoku not the exploit their deaths any more than they already have. The pirates might've lost, but Shanks made is feel like the Marines really lost if that makes sense. Next episode looks like it's wrapping things up, and we're gonna be seeing the effects of the war around the world. That's one of my favorite parts about OP in general...seeing the consequences of the actions and losses of the characters. The old era draws to a close and a new one begins! Geez. What a phenomenal arc. |
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| One Piece just made me cry tears of sad relief. The longer that episode sits the more I cry... the more the events sink in and it burns. Shanks and Coby did a lot and were amazing but ultimately they just ended the horror before our eyes before it got even worse. Those two are heroes and their actions stopped everyone's suffering. But they still suffered a damn lot. I feel a mix of screaming yokatta and "why?!" at the same time. These events were the hardest times we've had in One Piece and despite there being heroism and happiness and beauty there was a whole lot of repulsive, meaningless, gut punching tragedy everywhere. The final moments overlooking the battlefield brought that home. The war is over and it's time to mourn. I once said Marineford was giving me trouble emotionally connecting but with what they did with Luffy, Ace, Whitebeard, Shanks, Coby, Crocodile, Jimbei, and Mr.3 as well as the scale and misery and anticlimactic ending which just kept getting worse and worse, it was like, it made me feel things anime has never made me feel before ever. So, I was very, very wrong. To touch more specifically on why I thought this climax was immaculate, this episode was so full of excitement, it gave me shivers, it gave me context to relationships I've been dying to see, and it ended off with a bittersweet note of sadness and relief. To start Luffy has finally made it to where Shanks has entered the same battlefield he is on. He made it with the big dogs. And the very first thing we see is his relationship with Buggy, something I've been dying to see. They are so close and seeing Buggy angrily tug on the collar of Shanks almost makes it easy to forget he's in the same position as Whitebeard. In the position to end a war by saying anyone who wants to continue fighting needs to come fight us. He intimidated this war, Blackbeard and the navy decided it was not worth it and it would be a losing battle, even freaking Akainu who mocked the Whitebeard's for running backed off. To have someone of that precedence knowing Buggy so well he can immediately have him around his finger with a lie is so sweet. Those two certainly are kyoudai, the "it's been awhile" line where Buggy mimicked him was so funny. Shanks is just so awesome, his carefree, moving forward mentality and ability to go from smiling at Buggy to staring down a warzone like he was ready to take on everyone is exactly what Luffy took on. Maybe indeed one day Luffy will be the one who can stop a war in this fashion. The kind way Shanks decided it would be wrong to see Luffy at his lowest like this made me think about the dynamic between Luffy and Shanks and its similarity with Whitebeard and Ace. I wonder if one day Luffy will pick a successor he's willing to give an arm too. Coby cannot be that since Coby will almost definitely be the Garp to Luffy's Roger. But perhaps the series will end in a Boruto like way, Luffy leaving someone to follow his lead and guide the next era, it definitely has been foreshadowing his death for a long time now. Then we had the brief but powerful Shanks and Mihawk 'interaction'. It's not exactly clear how Mihawk feels but he decided instantly that he would not fight Shanks, that perhaps if that was what he was ordered to do he would have renounced his Warlord title. Perhaps out of respect for Shanks, they do know each other well, perhaps it would be like Luffy fighting a friend. I also wanted to touch on Law. He seems to rationalize everything as doing it for fun. Whether operating on Luffy and Jimbei like a psychopath, or saving Luffy because letting him die would be boring. He immediately loved how fun Luffy was. That and he's quite a fearless surgeon who has a pirate crew and sails in a submarine. Interesting, I hadn't been totally sure if Law came to the battlefield for Luffy but it seemed he did. On a side note his submarine made me realize how amazing a pirate in a submarine is. The fact that they could outspeed the Ice of Aokiji and evade the light bullets from Kizaru really illuminated to me how a submarine like that is the best counter to the navy's best, the admirals. They can't chase them the most they can do is shoot through the water or try to freeze it fast enough. It's why a Warlord like Jimbei would be awesome on their side and if not for the racism and oppression, if they had an army of fishmen they could deal with situations like this.. P.S. Some disorganized little thoughts: |
| Damn bro, Shanks is so powerful that Blackbeard and the entire Navy backed down even before he used his sword. That's gotta be some thing out of this world! |
| shanks: “ ayo end this war rn or else “ everyone: “ ok daddy we will “ |
| Shanks' power is seriously something else! He had a reputation so notorious that no one among the most powerful of fighters down there dared to raise a fist against him and he singlehandedly put an end to the war. I'm very glad that they were able to have Luffy escape safe and sound. Ace and Whitebeard getting a peaceful and respectful burial guaranteed by the Red-Hair Pirates was a pleasant consolation prize for all the losses they've incurred as well. |
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