| I could never imagine someone hating on Mushuko - other than the pedo allegation stuff, which I didn’t even that this kind of allegation existed until now.. Personally I feel the reason why you don’t like it, looking at your page, is because it’s not fast-paced. Everything is a slow burn, especially when you look at season 2 with the school arc. I love this show because of this aspect, unlike 99% of other iseaki. The characters, romance, worldbuilding, and animation is simply well crafted enough that I’m able to binge watch episodes at work 😂 |
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I could never imagine someone hating on Mushuko - other than the pedo allegation stuff, which I didn’t even that this kind of allegation existed until now..
Personally I feel the reason why you don’t like it, looking at your page, is because it’s not fast-paced. Everything is a slow burn, especially when you look at season 2 with the school arc. I love this show because of this aspect, unlike 99% of other iseaki. The characters, romance, worldbuilding, and animation is simply well crafted enough that I’m able to binge watch episodes at work 😂
Personally I feel the reason why you don’t like it, looking at your page, is because it’s not fast-paced. Everything is a slow burn, especially when you look at season 2 with the school arc. I love this show because of this aspect, unlike 99% of other iseaki. The characters, romance, worldbuilding, and animation is simply well crafted enough that I’m able to binge watch episodes at work 😂
| @nascarlad I like a lot of slow burn series. Monster is a famous example. I’m just not seeing what y’all are seeing. |
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Rudy is a guy suffering from various forms of trauma yet decides to continue fighting. I'd say I find this more engaging than a strong main character that possesses no fear, worries or anxieties and only temporarily is plagued by worry. Rudy to me seems to be troubled more than he is at ease. The show is not 4D chess like Deathnote nor One Piece world building but seeing the story of a flawed man fighting to be better than he was in his old life is enjoyable to me. Also I am a dude so seeing a story abt a guy overcoming his struggle to wield his sword and the pain that brings is something I can say I haven't seen before. Additionally there are many questions I have about the world that keep me interested as well.
Such as
- The relation of the man god to the dragons dudes
- man god's intentions
- will rudy wife a beast person nd do what his dad never did?
- what is the history around teleportation magic
- will rudy overcome his unstable mental state
- etc.
So while this show isnt devoid of issues and shortcomings as all shows are there are things that keep me invested. Hope this helps you get why I liked it.
Such as
- The relation of the man god to the dragons dudes
- man god's intentions
- will rudy wife a beast person nd do what his dad never did?
- what is the history around teleportation magic
- will rudy overcome his unstable mental state
- etc.
So while this show isnt devoid of issues and shortcomings as all shows are there are things that keep me invested. Hope this helps you get why I liked it.
| @NxtSofty Yeah that’s fair asf brother (character limit) |
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| Tbh I can't really see why you wouldn't like it apart from the weird stuff. As for me, if Rudy REALLY tried to become a better person and wouldn't do pedo stuff or (SPOILER SEASON 2 END) cheat on his wife and any other scumbag stuff like that it would be an easy 10/10. I mean i understand that growth takes time and that you don't just become a better person overnight, but he had 16 FUCKING years in that world which he could have used to improve. And people still defend him with stuff like "he is trying". |
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@Bolona07 first isekai in 2020? Are you smoking the genre boomed in 2012 with Sao(specifically LN isekai)and been there since 96 with escaflown.
| @Otakupervert890 He's talking about Mushoku Tensei web novel which started in 2012 and light novel in 2014 which inspired many modern isekai writers. |
ZarutakuSep 15, 2024 3:35 PM
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| Let's go through this one by one.. shall we? Kenzolo-folk said: i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out. Firstly; yes, the main character has a mass amount of perverted thoughts. He's an incel who's been reborn, and or transferred to a different world. I don't like his overly preverted comments.. however they do mild out as you go down through Season 1 alone. By Season 1, Episode 23.. you barely see anything regarding his perveted side besides a few nods here and there. With this he was reborn; meaning that him having crushes on people his age is normal in the story sense. If that puts you off, I understand it.. I was the same way for the longest time. I came back to it and fully rewatched from episode one, up episode 24. It has weird moments but I can look past it now that I've watched it, and looking back.. i wish i would of ignored the bad tropes at the beginning. Also, if you don't want this stuff brought up; don't mention it to begin with.  Kenzolo-folk said: I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here? Firstly; although it is an isekai.. it is the most unique twist of an isekai out there. Firstly; not only is the main character reborn in a different world, the household he grew up in makes him resent the exact thing he is/was. He then grows to respect his elders to some degree, and take magic seriously. With this; he has multiple mentors/people he can look up to throughout the story in season 1 alone. This being his Zenith (his mother), Paul (his father), Roxy (first mentor), Sauros, Ruijerd, just to name a few. Backstory? We get more backstory about each one of our main cahracters in season one than we would in most main stream stories. From our main characters two lives, seeing him grow up, to Eris's weird, and sometimes abusive household, or Roxy being an outcast in her hometown and why she was an outcast. Kenzolo-folk said: im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck Mushoku Tensei is not main stream Just because something is popular, doesn't make it a piece of the main stream. For something to be main-stream; it needs widespread recognition from a broad audience. Take One Piece for example; everyone respects the show as a whole.. whether they like the story or not. If not that, then it needs to have a massive amount of merch sales; Dragon Ball is a great example of this. Frequenntly discussed on many popular platforms, have immense mdedia exposure, and is well known for the genre it serves.. all of which it fails to do. Kenzolo-folk said: EDIT: So yeah this series is genuinely just utter dogshit. All the characters have the depth and dimension of a cloud flattened by a hydraulic press, the designs are dumb and unimaginative, the magic system is boring and overused, the plotlines are generic and uninteresting, all the characters are unlikeable except for a select few but they have no depth or personality to them. all in all, surprise surprise this series is more than not just for me, its actual trash. I think people just like it because rudeus is relatable and use the weak worldbuilding to back it up. Not surprised all these MH fans have kids and ecchi littered all over their profile. Thanks to all the thoughtful responses tho Mushoku Tensei is not for everyone, if you don't enjoy it.. that is your right as a viewer.. however; don't trash other peoples opinions because you disagree with it. At the end of the day, certain shows simply aren't built for everyone to enjoy. |
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Let's go through this one by one.. shall we?
Firstly; yes, the main character has a mass amount of perverted thoughts. He's an incel who's been reborn, and or transferred to a different world. I don't like his overly preverted comments.. however they do mild out as you go down through Season 1 alone. By Season 1, Episode 23.. you barely see anything regarding his perveted side besides a few nods here and there. With this he was reborn; meaning that him having crushes on people his age is normal in the story sense. If that puts you off, I understand it.. I was the same way for the longest time. I came back to it and fully rewatched from episode one, up episode 24. It has weird moments but I can look past it now that I've watched it, and looking back.. i wish i would of ignored the bad tropes at the beginning.
Also, if you don't want this stuff brought up; don't mention it to begin with.
Firstly; although it is an isekai.. it is the most unique twist of an isekai out there. Firstly; not only is the main character reborn in a different world, the household he grew up in makes him resent the exact thing he is/was. He then grows to respect his elders to some degree, and take magic seriously. With this; he has multiple mentors/people he can look up to throughout the story in season 1 alone. This being his Zenith (his mother), Paul (his father), Roxy (first mentor), Sauros, Ruijerd, just to name a few.
Backstory? We get more backstory about each one of our main cahracters in season one than we would in most main stream stories. From our main characters two lives, seeing him grow up, to Eris's weird, and sometimes abusive household, or Roxy being an outcast in her hometown and why she was an outcast.
Mushoku Tensei is not main stream
Just because something is popular, doesn't make it a piece of the main stream. For something to be main-stream; it needs widespread recognition from a broad audience. Take One Piece for example; everyone respects the show as a whole.. whether they like the story or not. If not that, then it needs to have a massive amount of merch sales; Dragon Ball is a great example of this. Frequenntly discussed on many popular platforms, have immense mdedia exposure, and is well known for the genre it serves.. all of which it fails to do.
Mushoku Tensei is not for everyone, if you don't enjoy it.. that is your right as a viewer.. however; don't trash other peoples opinions because you disagree with it. At the end of the day, certain shows simply aren't built for everyone to enjoy.
Kenzolo-folk said:
i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out.
i went back to watching mushoku tensei because I dropped it cuz the pedophilia stuff was creeping me out.
Firstly; yes, the main character has a mass amount of perverted thoughts. He's an incel who's been reborn, and or transferred to a different world. I don't like his overly preverted comments.. however they do mild out as you go down through Season 1 alone. By Season 1, Episode 23.. you barely see anything regarding his perveted side besides a few nods here and there. With this he was reborn; meaning that him having crushes on people his age is normal in the story sense. If that puts you off, I understand it.. I was the same way for the longest time. I came back to it and fully rewatched from episode one, up episode 24. It has weird moments but I can look past it now that I've watched it, and looking back.. i wish i would of ignored the bad tropes at the beginning.
Also, if you don't want this stuff brought up; don't mention it to begin with.
Kenzolo-folk said:
I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here?
I just want to know what amazing development, worldbuilding, storytelling genius is going on here?
Firstly; although it is an isekai.. it is the most unique twist of an isekai out there. Firstly; not only is the main character reborn in a different world, the household he grew up in makes him resent the exact thing he is/was. He then grows to respect his elders to some degree, and take magic seriously. With this; he has multiple mentors/people he can look up to throughout the story in season 1 alone. This being his Zenith (his mother), Paul (his father), Roxy (first mentor), Sauros, Ruijerd, just to name a few.
Backstory? We get more backstory about each one of our main cahracters in season one than we would in most main stream stories. From our main characters two lives, seeing him grow up, to Eris's weird, and sometimes abusive household, or Roxy being an outcast in her hometown and why she was an outcast.
Kenzolo-folk said:
im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck
im surprised cuz my taste is usually mainstream as fuck
Mushoku Tensei is not main stream
Just because something is popular, doesn't make it a piece of the main stream. For something to be main-stream; it needs widespread recognition from a broad audience. Take One Piece for example; everyone respects the show as a whole.. whether they like the story or not. If not that, then it needs to have a massive amount of merch sales; Dragon Ball is a great example of this. Frequenntly discussed on many popular platforms, have immense mdedia exposure, and is well known for the genre it serves.. all of which it fails to do.
Kenzolo-folk said:
EDIT:
So yeah this series is genuinely just utter dogshit. All the characters have the depth and dimension of a cloud flattened by a hydraulic press, the designs are dumb and unimaginative, the magic system is boring and overused, the plotlines are generic and uninteresting, all the characters are unlikeable except for a select few but they have no depth or personality to them.
all in all, surprise surprise this series is more than not just for me, its actual trash. I think people just like it because rudeus is relatable and use the weak worldbuilding to back it up. Not surprised all these MH fans have kids and ecchi littered all over their profile. Thanks to all the thoughtful responses tho
EDIT:
So yeah this series is genuinely just utter dogshit. All the characters have the depth and dimension of a cloud flattened by a hydraulic press, the designs are dumb and unimaginative, the magic system is boring and overused, the plotlines are generic and uninteresting, all the characters are unlikeable except for a select few but they have no depth or personality to them.
all in all, surprise surprise this series is more than not just for me, its actual trash. I think people just like it because rudeus is relatable and use the weak worldbuilding to back it up. Not surprised all these MH fans have kids and ecchi littered all over their profile. Thanks to all the thoughtful responses tho
Mushoku Tensei is not for everyone, if you don't enjoy it.. that is your right as a viewer.. however; don't trash other peoples opinions because you disagree with it. At the end of the day, certain shows simply aren't built for everyone to enjoy.
| @Just2Terrify people really are too shallow minded... especialy people who call this show a "pedo show". Because they dont realise a few things about rudeus. 1. Rudeus was mentaly ill in his old life. he may have been 35 or something, but mentaly he was a teenager... he never developt out of his teenage years mentaly and was just socialy not working in the society. So those calls like: "he is 45 now, but dates a 16 year old" are so full of bullshit, because his mental age never matched his physical age. 2. If you get reborn, even if you have the memorys of an old life, you are still a new person. its not like his 35 year old body got transfered into that new world. its just his memorys in an infant body. Which means he grows up as rudeus greyrath with memorys of a different person. If you grow up in another family, another world, with different friends and so on.. you are not the same person you were before anymore... thats another bs argument of haters of this show. 3. yes, in the ln he masturbated to a picture of his niece or something, but the show/LN NEVER promotes that as something good or whatever. he gets kicked out of his ?brothers? house for that (im not sure anymore, it was a long time ago xD). Nobody ever said, that rudeus is a great person (he may become one someday because thats what the story is about), but thats the whole point of the show. Rudeus is not another of those perfect and flawless isekai MC's who can do everything, are unbeatable and have the perfect personality. Rudeus has non of that, and thats why this show is so great. It shows a flawed person grow up to get a better person over the years. And thats what people dont get... they ready rudeus masturbating to his nieces picture and then say: "if you like this show, you are a pedo" wtf. if i watch NCIS Special Victims Unit and i like the show, does that mean that im pro pedo or what? xD |
| i don't know how this forum just resurfaced out of nowhere but aight, no matter. I've pretty much asked genuine questions about "is it really bad if the main character is morally bad?" Because it would make no sense since some well-known shows like Vinland Saga, Death Note, Monster, heck even Hunter x Hunter have morally ambiguous characters, even more if you pay attention to the main character. There's a lot of detail that we overlooked for the best parts of anime, even the mainstream ones like AOT (with the torture part), Dragon Ball (with Goku checking other girls' genitals), and so on. Demon Slayer gets clowned on for being mid in everything, character personality, dialogue, tone, story. And yet, people still hype it because it has the name Ufotable in it. Does it mean the anime is bad? Absolutely not since I love Demon Slayer up until to this day. It may not be the best anime in terms of storytelling and character-wise, but it shows how an excellent and passionate adaptation of the anime can make something absolutely astonishing and beautiful. Just like Mushoku Tensei. The studio is made to faithfully adapt Mushoku Tensei, and as such, there's a lot of detail and substance put into this anime. We get excellent adaptations of isekais and anime every now and then, including Re:Zero and Hyakkano. It's pretty easy to clown on things when you're only focusing on one terrible thing while disguising it as an overall review of the entire show. You might not listen to what I have to say, but I hope I got my point across. |
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| I would've given you a pass if you'd said that you didn't like the characters and you didn't like the show but to say that they're flat and the world building is trash is the hallmark of a child throwing a tantrum. Come and give it a try again in 10 years if you're up for it. Or just move on with your life and watch something else. There's no point in a discussion where you're unwilling to acknowledge the strengths of a show and the threshold of your own preferences clashing with the decisions and morality of the characters the author is presenting. You can not like a show for its themes and production value but to lie about the concrete merits and visible progression? That's just childish. I'm not even a big fan of this show. |
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@nascarlad
I like a lot of slow burn series. Monster is a famous example. I’m just not seeing what y’all are seeing.
I like a lot of slow burn series. Monster is a famous example. I’m just not seeing what y’all are seeing.
| It has authentic characters and season 1 has a lot of adventure + action. Past that it falls off IMO, too much focus on slow life and the conflicts aren’t interesting. Apparently it goes on forever, seems to be an LN problem. @Kenzolo-folk hmm Monster just seemed padded out. It’s long but not in a slow burn way where the plot is cooking up and there’s loads of big long term arcs more it wasted time with subplots and characters that don’t do much for progression. A lot of it seemed self contained and episodic, so basically pointless. |
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@nascarlad
I like a lot of slow burn series. Monster is a famous example. I’m just not seeing what y’all are seeing.
I like a lot of slow burn series. Monster is a famous example. I’m just not seeing what y’all are seeing.
| It has authentic characters and season 1 has a lot of adventure + action. Past that it falls off IMO, too much focus on slow life and the conflicts aren’t interesting. Apparently it goes on forever, seems to be an LN problem. @Kenzolo-folk hmm Monster just seemed padded out. It’s long but not in a slow burn way where the plot is cooking up and there’s loads of big long term arcs more it wasted time with subplots and characters that don’t do much for progression. A lot of it seemed self contained and episodic, so basically pointless. |
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