Mushoku Tensei II: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu Part 2 Episode 10 Discussion

For whatever reason, this episode failed to trigger me. Maybe I should, really, abandon the anime and read the novel instead.

I want to know how the novel framed the situation. As adventures, it was not unexpected for anyone of them to die at any battle or encounter. Paul said he won't retreat simply because he faced a strong opponent. I assume these two points are probably what the novel wanted to express?

However, in the anime, as least from what I felt from the anime: Everything was going so smoothly. Even the strongest retaliation of the hydra was defended using opposite magic. And then suddenly Rudy spaced out for a second, and Paul covered for him and expired. It kinds of undermined what was supposed to be about. It now felt like Paul died simply because Rudy got distracted by his thought in the battle.

On this note, it was weird that even this would happen. First, if anyone, Rudy was the person here that had the best situation awareness. He could foresee hydra was about to breath fire to attack and regrouped everybody in time. Second, if anyone, Rudy was the person that definitely won't get hit by a surprise attack. He had the Demon Eye and he was actively using it in the battle, as seen in, for example, 3:55. Third, at this point in battle, everyone else such as Elinalise was free and on look out. From the perspective of somebody watching the show, this was something that went wrong on the most unexpected character in the most unexpected way at the most unexpected moment. It really felt abrupt, in a bad way, and forced.

RIP Paul
Not to be disrespectful, but he traded his life for a vegetable

@vardavarr Nah, its better than LN, in LN its like blink and he died not dramatic like Anime, but the main focus is not paul death but AFTER paul death, the last 2 episode it will be banger(but also some people will hate it)

so he can predict movement and from nowhere he lost it? he got so much mana and ability.. why didn't he use it in a fight? if they want to kill him okay but make it right! this is bad and this anime felt down by a few stars because of this!

Paul dying and rudy losing an arm is a worth sacrifice to save his mother even shes not herself anymore. Even a smallest chance that she was fine but they didnt help her would be a terrible choice to live by. I hope rudy doest say shit like "it wasnt worth it, shes not even my mom. paul died for nothing". If he says them then im going to be a rudy hater.

I think my main problem is; Rudy stands there for two attacks and does nothing, because "oh this is easy we can win". It's pretty dumb considering he can see into the future, and I think they could have written Pauls death better. Dunno if it's like that in source material or not but that's the only reason I could think of why people don't like this episode.

It was by far the best episode this season complaints aside.

For whatever reason, this episode failed to trigger me. Maybe I should, really, abandon the anime and read the novel instead.

I want to know how the novel framed the situation. As adventures, it was not unexpected for anyone of them to die at any battle or encounter. Paul said he won't retreat simply because he faced a strong opponent. I assume these two points are probably what the novel wanted to express?

However, in the anime, as least from what I felt from the anime: Everything was going so smoothly. Even the strongest retaliation of the hydra was defended using opposite magic. And then suddenly Rudy spaced out for a second, and Paul covered for him and expired. It kinds of undermined what was supposed to be about. It now felt like Paul died simply because Rudy got distracted by his thought in the battle.

On this note, it was weird that even this would happen. First, if anyone, Rudy was the person here that had the best situation awareness. He could foresee hydra was about to breath fire to attack and regrouped everybody in time. Second, if anyone, Rudy was the person that definitely won't get hit by a surprise attack. He had the Demon Eye and he was actively using it in the battle, as seen in, for example, 3:55. Third, at this point in battle, everyone else such as Elinalise was free and on look out. From the perspective of somebody watching the show, this was something that went wrong on the most unexpected character in the most unexpected way at the most unexpected moment. It really felt abrupt, in a bad way, and forced.

It H(ea)urts
"You will regret if you won't go, BUT you will REGRET EVEN MORE if you go"
I was excited for some adventure but not for this.
Hated it.

@UvST So the alternative would have been to stay at home, mum a brain dead crystal inside a dungeon, father would have died trying to save her alone, Roxy would also have died. Now at least Roxy is save and he doenst have to regret not going and giving his best. I stil have my hopes up to fix medical issues with magic.

They really should have backed down and gut a second DD who can cut heads. Also Rudeus doesnt using magic to dodge attack shows bad prepartion as well. They shouldnt have rushed after finding out mothers state in the crystal doesnt change.

To heal himself or others he need to use incantations. I'm sure it was stated somewhere in the beginning of season 1 if I'm not mistaken.

Wow so like I am conflicted seeing what hitokami did, he told rudy that he would regret it, but never what or when or where. If he didn't go to save Zenith we would lose Roxy, but now we lost both Paul and Zenith, I don't know if they will be able to save her or not, it is so heart breaking. I could not calm myself till the episode was over...

Epic episode, and I hope to get some closure in the last 2. I hope to see Rudies reaction, I hope to see them go back, what will happen with Sylphiete and Norn & Aisha, it will be so heart breaking....

For whatever reason, this episode failed to trigger me. Maybe I should, really, abandon the anime and read the novel instead.

I want to know how the novel framed the situation. As adventures, it was not unexpected for anyone of them to die at any battle or encounter. Paul said he won't retreat simply because he faced a strong opponent. I assume these two points are probably what the novel wanted to express?

However, in the anime, as least from what I felt from the anime: Everything was going so smoothly. Even the strongest retaliation of the hydra was defended using opposite magic. And then suddenly Rudy spaced out for a second, and Paul covered for him and expired. It kinds of undermined what was supposed to be about. It now felt like Paul died simply because Rudy got distracted by his thought in the battle.

On this note, it was weird that even this would happen. First, if anyone, Rudy was the person here that had the best situation awareness. He could foresee hydra was about to breath fire to attack and regrouped everybody in time. Second, if anyone, Rudy was the person that definitely won't get hit by a surprise attack. He had the Demon Eye and he was actively using it in the battle, as seen in, for example, 3:55. Third, at this point in battle, everyone else such as Elinalise was free and on look out. From the perspective of somebody watching the show, this was something that went wrong on the most unexpected character in the most unexpected way at the most unexpected moment. It really felt abrupt, in a bad way, and forced.

After almost 3 years of waiting, we finally get to this.
And now we can finally talk freely, Paul is DEAD.
There are a few details to this scene that I hope they explain later, otherwise people really need to be paying attention, to the little change in expression Paul's face had upon seeing that thankfully he was able to save his son, and be do a parent's job at the end.
Easily the most emotional episode of S2, the remaining episodes will only pick apart these scenes further and add ash to the fire, if someone has yet to feel something, watch the next few episodes.

I would say this is PEAK MT from everything we have seen so far, but S1's Orsted was better executed, was more cinematographic, when I feel that staff was MOSTLY needed for this scene.

What we got still does not deliver the impact of the LN (whereas S1 Orsted surpassed the source material IMO), yet I cant shit on the studios for giving this with the staff they, this is clearly the best MT episode they have produced.

I like the choice of OST for the scene the final 3 minutes, and the animation was far above anything else this season, but I think that fight needed a better soundtrack, to feel even more intense.
Animation wise I have little complains, I loved it, but I feel it could have been a bit better shooted, to give more impact (Orsted's scene again on S1, blowned my mind away).

The choice to end the episode with Rudeous mother waking up behaving like she had a complete reset and it is a new person was perfect to finish this episode, to up the despair for anime onlies.

YES, all this work, effort and sacrifice, and what Rudeous achieve was losing his father, and in what little happiness he could get from rescuing his mom (which he doesnt care as much as Paul), it end up being futile since she is no longer the Zenith they knew, but a shell truly.

Hyped for the last few episodes, now it truly is worth it to follow weekly.


Did a "bit" of reading what other said (this is definitely one episode to discuss on forums, WORTH IT):


Not going to say spoilers, but you are NOT wrong, and that is what hits Rudy all the more at the end, he is truly eating those words the Man-God told him now. (except if he had not came, Roxy would be dead, which outweights all that, but that is a topic for another time)


The highlight for this season 2, was always gonna be this, and what comes next, otherwise people wouldnt been very hyped for S2.


They did a great job with the animation but I wanted a bit better for Paul's corpse scene, maybe a better angle to approach it, you see his head first, then slowly to his torso or something, and also for the end, the last 2-3 minutes, ANYTHING from Shiki awesome OST here:
https://youtu.be/dixsFSqdjmU?si=Bsf2oKJ8b1W2Oi7D

Most stuff from that link would have given more IMPACT, specially Echo from minute 22, put that song playing and watch ep22 again! (I might do that that in preparation for the feels of ep23!!)
I honestly feel the worst part of this episode was the soundtrack, which is praise cuz it means they didnt fuck up and what I expected to be the hardest



The photo you attached from the LN IMO had more impact and how I expected them to go in a way.


The writter got you good then, Paul's job was exactly that, and his job is NOT over, feels time for the next 2 episodes, it doesnt end with this episode.


EXACTLY, when I read it on the LN I saw it like this too, forgotten, would have been even better, cuz first he would look to Paul's head, then see blood coming down and the camera would go UP... FEELS


It is not because of this, but the consequences that come after and how this topic is handled and the weight it carries moving forward, that I feel this series is peak fiction.


He would have regreted either way, Roxy would be dead, and maybe his father too, the point that Rudy made before departing is that in life you cant avoid regrets, you gotta face them and digest what you can, moving on the best you can.


That scene shows that despite everything, Rudeous is still far from being a veteran, he doesnt have has many years as Paul and his party did adventuring, it was a moment of careless, his defenses slipped, it happens and that is all it took.


In the LN you can understand Rudy's mental state better, so when this shit happens, you get HIT HARD.


God point on this, it definitly gives credit to Rudeous not being able to see it, but also I feel it was a combination of that and his inexperience to see such extreme situation, yes demon country, but it is not like he survived there 10-15 years. And the last few years also got him softer.


spoiler button due to gore



Next couple of episodes will be hell then, that will be picked appart like crazy.


It is precisely due to that, that the episode title is in the plural.


No plot armor for Rudeous either, he lost his hand. It has consequences.


Who? Rudy? The problem was the Hydra's scales absorbed the mana, his actions were limited and in close quarters he had to use flame to fuck them wounds.


Agreed, maybe if we had staff from S1 for Orsted's it would have been possible, but what we got still has me happy they at least did not fucked it up, but it is too soon to say anything because the next two episodes have to be properly delivered too!


It is okay, next two episodes might fuck you good, so wait for them, and after that TBH, at least go check this section on the LN, and decide if you want to read the LN or not, the full worldbuilding aspect you can only get on the LN, with all the details, if anything reading both the manga, the LN and seeing the anime complements one another crazy for this series.


Yes he did, and a detail not explained, the Hydra's eyelashes had sharp scales to them, and when the Hydra closed its eye, that helped server a lot of Rudeous bone, it is a very nasty detail in the LN.


You might actually be on something here, lol



Good job, I was too lazy myself to do that.


YES, you summed very well what I wanted to convey, Rudeous has talent, but he still has many years of experience to live and learnt from.
Like Paul was all dandy on 1st stratum and maybe second, but then knew when to focus on and stop playing around, Paul had more experience than Rudeous agaisnt such situations and especially in a labyrinth.

@LordDurzo They definitely made it tough, limbs were flying off, Elinalise was burned by light contact a couple times, regeneration, etc. Keep in mind, the people that faced off against the hydra comprise of S-rank adventurers in Paul, Elinalise, Talhand and Geese, Roxy a Water King and one of the strongest water mages in the world and Rudeus, a guy who is good at voiceless incantation and is very versatile and trained heavily with even stronger people like Ruijerd while adventuring together in the Demon continent of all places with monsters. The people who fought the hydra are not too far from the best that can fight in this dungeon, and they still struggled a lot and lost Paul + Rudeus' hand.