Reply to Voyageur
@Jacut Long response as this addresses other comments sent to me.
CGI was in the 2000s horrible because it was the beginning. As at the time of Last Exile I didn't really see the problem, but when I rewatch the series a few years ago the 3D is really bad. Now it depends on the technical level of the CGI. I just finished Intial D and the 3D physics of the cars suits me very well in the last episodes. Demon Slayer and Fate Stay Night use CGI perfectly for the backgrounds of the fights. This results in an even crazier storyboard. Whereas the CGI in Fullmetal Panic last season is a sad joke. CGI isn't cheaper, but once you have your models it's a huge time saver. Finally on this question we see that Arcane and Spider Man Spider Verse have found a magnificent style between CGI and different digital/traditional techniques.
Most old fans of robot anime nevertheless hate CGI mecha : / Not bad in Gundam Unicorn but they took up a lot of time on each episode, we are at the level of a film.
Ai is inevitable but depending on the use the risk is the impoverishment of the diversity of the styles used. On the characters, the AI has already taken a big lead. Now when you go to the DeviantArt homepage 1) excess AI and 2) everything looks the same: https://www.deviantart.com/. For the moment it's time saved but I doubt that the industry will not end up reducing its workforce while asking more of the animators who remain. Or simply keep the teams but overload the production schedules. The crunch isn't going to go away.
As it stands, it's not yet ready. In Kaiju there are huge problems with the proportions of buildings and certain objects, perspective, light and too many details that make no sense on several occasions (strangely very little in episode 2). The AI has great difficulty knowing how to place objects correctly, which causes elements to merge or overlap in absurd ways. The majority of spectators only look at the movement in the action, but as I am interested in the subject I always have an eye on the background, and my eye picks up if there is too much error. This creates an effect of unease.
But let's ask the question differently and I take up what Alexandre Astier, a French director and actor, says. Can AI write the perfect script? Create an art as sophisticated as the masters? He does not care. It doesn't interest him. What interests him is the human and why he came to develop this style, this technique, this way of directing or writing. The Hobbit is even more memorable when you know why Tolkien started writing it. The LOR when you know its background, its participation in the First World War, its culture.
I'm a fan of Makoto Shinkai and I love seeing the city through his eyes in his films. How he uses references to make the urban more poetic. Whether AI will one day do as well as its films at recreating cities does not interest me at all.
CGI was in the 2000s horrible because it was the beginning. As at the time of Last Exile I didn't really see the problem, but when I rewatch the series a few years ago the 3D is really bad. Now it depends on the technical level of the CGI. I just finished Intial D and the 3D physics of the cars suits me very well in the last episodes. Demon Slayer and Fate Stay Night use CGI perfectly for the backgrounds of the fights. This results in an even crazier storyboard. Whereas the CGI in Fullmetal Panic last season is a sad joke. CGI isn't cheaper, but once you have your models it's a huge time saver. Finally on this question we see that Arcane and Spider Man Spider Verse have found a magnificent style between CGI and different digital/traditional techniques.
Most old fans of robot anime nevertheless hate CGI mecha : / Not bad in Gundam Unicorn but they took up a lot of time on each episode, we are at the level of a film.
Ai is inevitable but depending on the use the risk is the impoverishment of the diversity of the styles used. On the characters, the AI has already taken a big lead. Now when you go to the DeviantArt homepage 1) excess AI and 2) everything looks the same: https://www.deviantart.com/. For the moment it's time saved but I doubt that the industry will not end up reducing its workforce while asking more of the animators who remain. Or simply keep the teams but overload the production schedules. The crunch isn't going to go away.
As it stands, it's not yet ready. In Kaiju there are huge problems with the proportions of buildings and certain objects, perspective, light and too many details that make no sense on several occasions (strangely very little in episode 2). The AI has great difficulty knowing how to place objects correctly, which causes elements to merge or overlap in absurd ways. The majority of spectators only look at the movement in the action, but as I am interested in the subject I always have an eye on the background, and my eye picks up if there is too much error. This creates an effect of unease.
But let's ask the question differently and I take up what Alexandre Astier, a French director and actor, says. Can AI write the perfect script? Create an art as sophisticated as the masters? He does not care. It doesn't interest him. What interests him is the human and why he came to develop this style, this technique, this way of directing or writing. The Hobbit is even more memorable when you know why Tolkien started writing it. The LOR when you know its background, its participation in the First World War, its culture.
I'm a fan of Makoto Shinkai and I love seeing the city through his eyes in his films. How he uses references to make the urban more poetic. Whether AI will one day do as well as its films at recreating cities does not interest me at all.
| @Voyageur I agree with most of what you say. At the moment Gen AI is only as good as the humans training, using and checking it. It is possible to save a lot of time and money by using it but the result is not always that great for now, may it be for visuals, music or writing, for the simple fact that it cannot be creative (Gen AI cannot think or feel), but on the other hand, it can automatize relatively simple tasks that would take us hours to make. And frankly, at the moment, creators are not really trained on how to handle it (just talking about art here, there's a lot more uses to AI obviously), thus the poor result. But I'm pretty sure that, given time, creators will learn how to use AI correctly, understand its limitations, fans will get used to it and it will be used as much as CGI is used right now, changing creators' jobs description and so on. So I would say that the main problem with AI-generated background or animation is indeed the quality, or sense of unease as you say :) |
 In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
Reply to EvilJuju
Jacut said:
Would that make that much of a difference if you knew that Kaijuu's backgrounds were made through AI?
Would that make that much of a difference if you knew that Kaijuu's backgrounds were made through AI?
As we watch movies / music / anime / video games / the real world around us turn to shit actually it does make a difference. And I have a lot of respect for people who are shaming AI artists and boycotting them. AI is built on stolen art, plenty of lawsuits out there show it. Hollywood / Music business has been stealing shit for decades too.
But I agree with you, ultimately its not going to make a difference in the macro sense. But at least we can complain about it here in the forums. (until we can't, hehe)
| @EvilJuju Fair enough, very valid point! |
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
| tbh I didnt notice att all till you pointed it out but I cant tell if its ai or poorly drawn on purpose to save time and cost and focus on the animation. I think I will pay close intention in the next ep |
Reply to watsym
They look hand-drawn and not AI generated,
For fun I asked the most powerful publicly available version of gpt to give it's opinion on the backgrounds and if it thinks they are AI generated (from the OP, 2 images). The module for detecting AI generated images is up to date and was updated this week.
I didn't tell it anything beyond giving it the 2 images and asking simply "are the backgrounds in those images AI generated?" :
For fun I asked the most powerful publicly available version of gpt to give it's opinion on the backgrounds and if it thinks they are AI generated (from the OP, 2 images). The module for detecting AI generated images is up to date and was updated this week.
I didn't tell it anything beyond giving it the 2 images and asking simply "are the backgrounds in those images AI generated?" :
The backgrounds in the images you provided, typical of many anime, are carefully crafted to enhance the setting and atmosphere of the scenes. They are often created by skilled background artists using a combination of traditional painting techniques and digital enhancements. These backgrounds are known for their detailed and often realistic depictions of environments, whether they be urban landscapes, natural settings, or interior spaces.
In the first image, the depiction of Kokubunji, Tokyo, shows a detailed and moody urban scene at night, with a high level of detail in the lighting, the texture of the buildings, and the overall composition, which helps set the tone and context of the scene. This level of detail and artistic consistency is generally beyond current AI capabilities, which can sometimes struggle with such intricate and consistent detail over large, varied areas.
The second image's background features a more stylized, possibly futuristic setting with architectural elements that provide a stark, clean contrast to the character in the foreground. This kind of background is designed to reflect the mood and theme of the story, showing a meticulous level of design that is characteristic of human artists in animation.
These backgrounds are most likely the result of professional artists' work rather than being AI-generated, due to the detailed, consistent artistic style and integration with the narrative elements of the anime.
In the first image, the depiction of Kokubunji, Tokyo, shows a detailed and moody urban scene at night, with a high level of detail in the lighting, the texture of the buildings, and the overall composition, which helps set the tone and context of the scene. This level of detail and artistic consistency is generally beyond current AI capabilities, which can sometimes struggle with such intricate and consistent detail over large, varied areas.
The second image's background features a more stylized, possibly futuristic setting with architectural elements that provide a stark, clean contrast to the character in the foreground. This kind of background is designed to reflect the mood and theme of the story, showing a meticulous level of design that is characteristic of human artists in animation.
These backgrounds are most likely the result of professional artists' work rather than being AI-generated, due to the detailed, consistent artistic style and integration with the narrative elements of the anime.
@watsym By the way i'm curious what your tool say about this image? For this image (ED cover Kaiju No 8) a lot of people on the internet think it's AI and there is a big controversy on Japanese Twitter and Reddit. Nothing to do with the little controversy I started here. At first glance I wasn't sure (because the composition make you look at the middle where they are not issue). I had to read the explanations to see the problem. And it's in the small details that the image doesn't work. Which corresponds to my opinion: you can have a consistent result, because the AI played well with your prompt or it was retouched, but parts were not corrected. |
VoyageurMay 8, 5:23 PM
Voyageur said: @watsym By the way i'm curious what your tool say about this image? For this image (ED cover Kaiju No 8) a lot of people on the internet think it's AI and there is a big controversy on Japanese Twitter and Reddit. Nothing to do with the little controversy I started here. At first glance I wasn't sure (because the composition make you look at the middle where they are not issue). I had to read the explanations to see the problem. And it's in the small details that the image doesn't work. Which corresponds to my opinion: you can have a consistent result, because the AI played well with your prompt or it was retouched, but parts were not corrected. well that's also hand drawn if it was Ai there will not be such gradient and colour .Ai models are generally creating images from the pre existing ones hence they only enhance them a bit and also to mention Ai images a re soft and more realistic check this image below its made using AI  |
Reply to 24kGOLDEN
Voyageur said:
@watsym By the way i'm curious what your tool say about this image?
For this image (ED cover Kaiju No 8) a lot of people on the internet think it's AI and there is a big controversy on Japanese Twitter and Reddit. Nothing to do with the little controversy I started here.
At first glance I wasn't sure (because the composition make you look at the middle where they are not issue). I had to read the explanations to see the problem. And it's in the small details that the image doesn't work. Which corresponds to my opinion: you can have a consistent result, because the AI played well with your prompt or it was retouched, but parts were not corrected.
@watsym By the way i'm curious what your tool say about this image?
For this image (ED cover Kaiju No 8) a lot of people on the internet think it's AI and there is a big controversy on Japanese Twitter and Reddit. Nothing to do with the little controversy I started here.
At first glance I wasn't sure (because the composition make you look at the middle where they are not issue). I had to read the explanations to see the problem. And it's in the small details that the image doesn't work. Which corresponds to my opinion: you can have a consistent result, because the AI played well with your prompt or it was retouched, but parts were not corrected.
well that's also hand drawn if it was Ai there will not be such gradient and colour .Ai models are generally creating images from the pre existing ones hence they only enhance them a bit and also to mention Ai images a re soft and more realistic
check this image below its made using AI
| @24kGOLDEN Don't make me have more work drawing next days on images T_T Loot at it and find the 3 big mistakes AI. They are more but 3 are obvious. If not, ok I will do my homework with this.  |
Voyageur said: @24kGOLDEN Don't make me have more work drawing next days on images T_T Loot at it and find the 3 big mistakes AI. They are more but 3 are obvious. If not, ok I will do my homework with this. in that picture the white spots or candles you can say them are properly visible ,red dot below that candle can't find the third one |
Reply to 24kGOLDEN
Voyageur said:
@24kGOLDEN Don't make me have more work drawing next days on images T_T
Loot at it and find the 3 big mistakes AI. They are more but 3 are obvious. If not, ok I will do my homework with this.
@24kGOLDEN Don't make me have more work drawing next days on images T_T
Loot at it and find the 3 big mistakes AI. They are more but 3 are obvious. If not, ok I will do my homework with this.
in that picture the white spots or candles you can say them are properly visible
,red dot below that candle can't find the third one
| @24kGOLDEN Nice thx to playing. No irony. Not so wrong about it but not ^^ The biggest mistake is the green one. It doesn't know if it's a candle / light symetric to the white one, so it's a bit spheric, or a green part of the wall, and you have the black line perspective before and after and it following his form. This is what AI do : melting and not knowing depht. This is 1/3 Red dot is one of the little mistake like: hey why are you here what you purpose? |
VoyageurMay 8, 7:39 PM
Reply to Voyageur
@watsym By the way i'm curious what your tool say about this image?
For this image (ED cover Kaiju No 8) a lot of people on the internet think it's AI and there is a big controversy on Japanese Twitter and Reddit. Nothing to do with the little controversy I started here.
At first glance I wasn't sure (because the composition make you look at the middle where they are not issue). I had to read the explanations to see the problem. And it's in the small details that the image doesn't work. Which corresponds to my opinion: you can have a consistent result, because the AI played well with your prompt or it was retouched, but parts were not corrected.
For this image (ED cover Kaiju No 8) a lot of people on the internet think it's AI and there is a big controversy on Japanese Twitter and Reddit. Nothing to do with the little controversy I started here.
At first glance I wasn't sure (because the composition make you look at the middle where they are not issue). I had to read the explanations to see the problem. And it's in the small details that the image doesn't work. Which corresponds to my opinion: you can have a consistent result, because the AI played well with your prompt or it was retouched, but parts were not corrected.
| @Voyageur It's unsure and doesn't exclude the possibility of AI, but leans towards human Art Style: The image has a vibrant, detailed style with a futuristic or cyberpunk aesthetic. This kind of style is popular among digital artists, including those using AI tools, as it can be rich in color and detail which AI models are good at replicating. Elements and Details: AI-generated images often contain elements that are slightly distorted or surreal, which might not align perfectly with real-world physics or common designs. This image has a high level of detail and a coherent perspective, which can be achieved by AI but also commonly done by skilled human artists using digital tools. While it's possible for this image to be AI-generated given the sophistication of modern AI art tools, the more likely scenario is that it was created or at least finalized by a human artist My personal input is that the colouring on that is beyond current AI. The lines are a little sloppy (AI would likely have those straight) and too much consistent detail on top (like dirt). If it has AI in it, it's very heavily edited afterwards, but I also doubt it is AI. |
Voyageur said: @voltwaffle Again and again just attacks not argument except go back look at pre-digital work. Waiting for similiar exemples please. Let's see if I answer like you. You don't understand at all what you see and what you are talking about. I have been drawing for 20 years and do digital art. Go open a book on animation and digital art. So now have we made much further progress in the debate? Relevant ? It's not an attack or insult, it's a statement of fact. You don't know what you're talking about. Plain and simple. |
| Controversial opinions |
| Everything created by AI looks terrible. It destroys culture. Whats next? A future where all anime, movies, books and music are created by AI? Cyberprison and dystopia. |
| >Reddit who cares man. |
| We've really gotten to a point where people see highly detailed artwork and immediately scream AI. Absolutely disrespectful to those who have spent years mastering their craft to get it to that level, just for people to be like "nah it's gotta be AI 🥱." |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. |
| Even if this was AI generated (Also, what "looks" like AI?) what is the issue there? |
| The line below is True. The line above is False. |
| I'm so sick of this attitude. This is getting us nowhere. So many artists everywhere getting harassed now everytime they post their art and baseless allegations. People working on anime have it tough already so of course now they have to deal with this shit. Also I'm in disbelief at the fact people still listen to anything reddit has to say?? Can someone explain? |
 Life is a despicable endurance race |
 the door frame is just not trying to be a door frame anymore |
| Meh, Even if this does turn out to be real AI generated, It's fine really, a couple of backgrounds are fine. Now if it was Main characters being AI generated, then that might be a problem, LOL. |
| Nothing Written Here But Us Anime Bunnies *boing boing boing* |
Reply to davi__
The fact that you cant even distinguish between Ai and Human made art proves this its not even a problem.
IF these were Ai generated and looked this good I cant see how we would have a problem.
IF these were Ai generated and looked this good I cant see how we would have a problem.
| @davi__ yeah true, ai art is diverse in styles and many times better as well, the people who complain are mostly those weird internet/twitter artists that cannot force people to pay for their badly drawn commissions anymore, because everyone can now make their own art by themselves |
| Source: trust me bro |
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| Asmongold and Destiny told me that AI is based and artists dont matter. |
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