AI background... It's the beginning : / Maybe yes maybe not

it's most likely CGI NOT AI

@Peenutz @davi__ It's not good it's obvious AI. And again you like other before come saying I don"t see well. Show the evidence a good background construction. But you don't comment the images. You just attack me and my eyes. Too hard to do a good demontrastion of my mystakes hm? Because you can't. If you look the background you will see is not human artist work. Or a very stupid humain work. You are the one who disrespecting people for thinking they can draw a tree on a car on a bulding but the building is half here and not and oh wait again the car what I am drawing on drug?

@sjabeen Yep not random AI design: CGI i can see the human art style here. Very good mecha car design. I like a lot the cute little car size in front of the huge whatever truck.

I guess in this universe we change size depending on what we drive

Now I'm interested. I'm not sure they're using AI backgrounds, but that's not the point in my opinion. Let's consider they are. Would that make the anime less interesting or enjoyable if they were? I was around at the beginning of CGI and people were saying the same stuff "(I'm never gonna watch a CGI anime, I swear, it's destroying creativity and animators' jobs!"), and now every anime uses CGI and people still watch it, even though, frankly, CGI doesn't come close in terms of quality to hand drawn animation. But I get it, it's cheaper for studios, anime fans are relatively young and don't care too much about quality most of the time, is used to it by now, so nobody complains anymore. Would that make that much of a difference if you knew that Kaijuu's backgrounds were made through AI? Palworld used AI and infringed on Nintendo's IP in the process and millions of people still played it, right? Will every anime use AI in a few years (my guess is yes, by the way)?

this convinced me. the guy just draws shit over other shit so it looks Iike ai

That‘s not the problem.


The problem is when you start saying/discrediting something and then not deliver any facts, points or proof of what you‘re saying.

It makes your argument look stupid and irrelevant. You feel me?

You can‘t say „This is AI!“ and then not answer the „Why?“

It‘s a bit silly^^

Your entire argument boils down to a portion of a building in the background that doesn't match up perfectly?
I am not saying this to insult you or the person who originally made the twitter thread, but frankly, neither of you have any clue what you are talking about.
This could be anything from an animation error that wasn't fixed in time to crappy streaming bitrate to an old display that can't keep up with the movement.
I don't get how someone who has over 750 anime completed can fall for something as dumb as this but I guess some people can never be asked to research or learn anything.

You sure? They would've announced the use of AI considering how massive it's gonna be if we start getting AI anime. You got a source?

@Merve2Love I did it this afternoon. Juste before you answer. I don"t think anymore in my original post for the second picture is AI so I deletet it because I studied more today the art style of Shinji Kimura.

But for my defense I didn't expect so much people being sure this is not use of AI when I posted my first message. And I need time to write in english.

@Voyageur

Why do you think that's a good thing? o.O

You made a Thread not really knowing what you're talking about, at that time.
And you were wrong ....


Don't do this^^
Has nothing to do with "Love for Anime" xD
You said: "This is Ai" and it wasn't. It doesn't matter that you studied it later or whatever.


I dunno...maybe don't say stuff like this, when you're not even sure that what you say is the truth?....
What's the point? You were uninformed and wrong and you STILL felt the need to tell everybody what's what.

@Merve2Love You do the same thing right now. You just say I am wrong for sure but you didn"t comment anything I showed today and explained. : ( Like most of the answer said basically I don't know how to see, trolling or hate the anime, not why what I see not a issue / can't be AI or part AI.


So far only voltwafle had a good comment: "This could be anything from an animation error that wasn't fixed in time to crappy streaming bitrate to an old display that can't keep up with the movement." and I answered why I don"t think it is.

@Voyageur


I don't^^


I, respectfully, tell you to at least know what you're talking about - before starting to spout stuff like that^^
Have a point. Do have something to say -> Then start forming an opinion and make a Thread. Not the other way around.


As I said: It's no biggie. It's just a bit silly.

@Merve2Love I think I edited after your answer ? Here the last comment: And I didn't start with a lot of explanation because like I said a lot of background have for me obvious issues, didn't expect so much disagree, and I said in the evening I didn't have time for explanations when I saw that people didn't believe it (it's was a surprise for me) and that I need the next day for comments and start a proper debate. Mistake fixed.

@Voyageur

Exactly my point.
People didn't believe it - cause it wasn't a fact. It was wrong information. You made it up.

You didn't know what you were talking about.
Im glad that you learned something ...but that wasn't the point, you know^^
You shouldn't make a Thread about something you don't even know.

Look, this is spinning.
Feel free to use the forums as some sort of personal blog, if you want. God, you're not the only one doing it. No worries. xD

It's just irritating^^

@Merve2Love Oh I understand now the comment of this person ahah "If you're reffering to merve... congrats! You're officially her new babysitter" ^^ Repeating is wong information but not why don"t make me saying wrong information you know ? And now sorry but you are trolling.

I don't need a blog and I didn't write on the forum since the account creation years ago. I will talk with any people who want debate about the topic but after you won't see me. Becauce like tous said, is spinning.

Did you need my art accreditation? If I use the forum for my blog I should post my art I suppose.

@Voyageur

No need to get angry^^

As I said - you do you.
It's just silly. Your art does not matter, in this discussion. Sorry.

This is not about you.
This is about AI backgrounds. Im not interested in your accreditation. Nobody is.
You talked out of your ass. Why is that so hard to accept?^^

I don't mean to disrespect you xD

@Merve2Love I am tired, not angry. And a little disappointed in you. I was expecting at some point an interesting counter argument. Otherwise, why come back again and again to a subject that doesn't interest you and irritates you? The forum is big, there must be better to do elsewhere.

Sure no need to draw to comment art, but drawing help to see what you don't see.

@Voyageur


Okay^^ Thats fine.

It's not that Im not interested.
I was, remember?


I asked you what you mean.
Why is that AI and why is it bad? These were my questions.

But....you couldn't answer. Cause you didn't know.
So did you beeing an artist really help you to comment on art, in this case? No. Did your Thread help anyone or encouraged discussion? Well, maybe...it helped you, one person on MaL, to realize that you're wrong. Not really the point of the forums, tho^^

And that's alright. I don't mind. I don't know you. The irritating part is that you felt the need to make a rather self centered Thread about it all and then updated it, like this was your personal blog.


But...nevermind...I guess.
You just said that you were worried about upsetting people with your very first Thread, here.
So that was why I commented.

Seeya.

Why not caml and polite and informed experience on the topic? Is it not possible for those to coexist?


You mentioned perspective, blured backgrounds and possible merging, although the perspective isn't perfect and backgrounds get more blured and less detaild the further they are in the distance, what i see when i zoom into those more blured ares is actually layering (maybe i got the term wrong but i don't know how else to describe how the various patterns and colors are layerd onto eachother to give the illusion of there being buildings in the distence), not merging which is typical of AI, the former, unlike merging, has distinguishable shapes even when blured (of course they don't look like what they're suppost to when looking close up, one shape might be contributing to make 2 or 3 buildings)

As for blurring and perspective, i wouldn't say either of them are definite proof of it being AI, bluring can be used as an effect to give contrast between the backgrounds and the characters, while the perspective not being perfect falls easily in the margin of human error, i mean by that logic, would you say Attack On Titan manga is AI because the perspective is off a lot of the time? Of course AI has it's own problems with perspective, but they tend to have different characteristics from human error, a lot of AI's problems with perspective have to do with warping, to give a simple example, if a human draws a circle it might come out slightly oval, while if an AI drew a circle it'd look like... imagine trying to pour slime onto a table and make it as circular as possible, you'll notice the edges start to warp, ooze, it'll tend to have slight dents in it that don't really make sense

The door background is actually the one i'm least sure about, but that could be a case of the scene not being complete, it's not uncommon for small details to be adjusted later on with DVD and BluRay releases

it's most likely CGI NOT AI

@DigiCat Oh shit I forgot to reply to you even though you commented on the images the most and thx you. The problem here is that the blur is sometimes extremely detailed, which means you have to draw a lot and then use a filter for bluring. This is precisely what I criticized the door for. This is technically improbable. Huge waste of time for not very good result.

I will take the example of the building that I spoke about earlier because it alone concentrates a large number of details which are typical of an AI. But I had to draw on it quite a bit for explain and it's two days of vacation in France. I'll take care of it as soon as possible and we'll see what people think.

@sjabeen Yep not random AI design: CGI i can see the human art style here. Very good mecha car design. I like a lot the cute little car size in front of the huge whatever truck.

I guess in this universe we change size depending on what we drive

Now I'm interested. I'm not sure they're using AI backgrounds, but that's not the point in my opinion. Let's consider they are. Would that make the anime less interesting or enjoyable if they were? I was around at the beginning of CGI and people were saying the same stuff "(I'm never gonna watch a CGI anime, I swear, it's destroying creativity and animators' jobs!"), and now every anime uses CGI and people still watch it, even though, frankly, CGI doesn't come close in terms of quality to hand drawn animation. But I get it, it's cheaper for studios, anime fans are relatively young and don't care too much about quality most of the time, is used to it by now, so nobody complains anymore. Would that make that much of a difference if you knew that Kaijuu's backgrounds were made through AI? Palworld used AI and infringed on Nintendo's IP in the process and millions of people still played it, right? Will every anime use AI in a few years (my guess is yes, by the way)?

Also for first image, here's a comparison in detecting it's not AI generated vs an AI generated one:





VS

An AI generated with a similar prompt:

It's not surprising that you don't find many reactions to this, as the use of AI to generate backgrounds in anime episodes is still relatively new and not widely known to the general public. However, this could change as this technology becomes more widespread and people start to notice differences in the visual styles of various shows.

In any case, the use of AI in anime production opens up new creative and technical possibilities, and it will be interesting to see how this evolves in the future

bro's tripping lmao

Again, you simply don't know what you're talking about. I'm not going to debate with you when your claims are overblown nonsense. Go back and look at animated (not just anime) pre-digital backgrounds and you'll see the same thing. Stop arguing about things you clearly don't understand and maybe pick up a book on animation.

see it's not Ai generated if it was then there would not be that great quality and detail.
it is possible that animators used AI to get references but Ai hasn't made it.
I am a experienced artist specializing in digital art so I can better guide you

@watsym It's depending of the prompt, the AI training and the hand correction.

Your AI image is a very classic prompt. You can training for having a very more complex SF background :



Sources : https://www.freepik.com/premium-ai-image/futuristic-city-with-sleek-buildings-anime-art-generative-ai_54785496.htm
https://www.freepik.com/premium-ai-image/city-with-blue-background-futuristic-city-with-planet-background_45978940.htm
https://stock.adobe.com/fr/images/futuristic-anime-cyberpunk-cityscape-sci-fi-wallpaper-retro-future-ai-generative-art/567999412

Remember the AI short movie from WIT Studio (The dog and the boy) : https://twitter.com/catsuka/status/1620367863583481859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1620367863583481859%7Ctwgr%5Eb7f7732569beee78ad59f8186fd54ee78eaa32d1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.catsuka.com%2Fbreves%2F2023-01-31%2Fthe-dog-the-boy-court-metrage-netflix-japan-avec-un-peu-d-ai

Step 2 and 3 are very differents AI. But they have time to redraw / correction because it's a 3 min movie.