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| There was something different about the animation this episode. It reminded me of FLCL and Kill la Kill. I liked it. Oh, just now I see there's another topic discussing about Kai Ikarashi directing and storyboarding it. I wish there were more episodes like this. |
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| what happened to the art and animation this ep it felt off and kind of goofy well pretty good episode none the less |
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Homura24 said: It's expressive. It didn't "fall off" and it's not something that "doesn't fit".what happened to the art and animation this ep it felt off and kind of goofy well pretty good episode none the less The past-tense frame-by-frame is meant to convey something being recollected. The off-model characters are meant to be comedic. The blobby forms after the Hiruko attack are meant to contrast with the harsh edges and fluidity of the attack itself. The disjointed and truncated flashbacks aren't cut off for budget's sake, they're short and pointed for the sake of developing a plot and character we've never met before. It's insanely powerful. Every single shot in this episode carries purpose and character. It's an incredible feat. Someone in this thread said it doesn't fit. I'd argue it's just going even further than the show has so far. Shots and music and writing have so far been really well-done in service of whatever tone they're meant to express. This episode takes it a step further, rightfully turning the characters' proportions and frame's illustration into a vehicle for the mood. It's fucking beautiful. It's quite literally the same level of quality as Cyberpunk Edgerunners Episode 6. This guy has a beautiful career ahead of him. |
| I came into to gush about the animation this episode (and story) to find people saying the animation was bad... LOL. Are you people on crack? This is one of the most beautifully animated episodes I have seen this season. And that's with me watching Vinland S2 and Witch from Mercury S2 in addition to this. This is a consistently great looking show and I felt this one was the best looking one so far. The first attack scene at the abandoned school/fortress was incredible looking... Like something I would expect from a high quality theatrical release and not a weekly show. The cartoon-ish scenes were a stylistic choice. Similar shifts in style happen in the opening and have appeared in various points throughout the season during other comedic scenes. How do you people get 10 episodes into this show and not recognize that at any other point? Anyway... That was a really fucked up episode. Guess you can't trust anyone. One moment I'm thinking Juuichi is very suspect get away from him, then you feel for him because his story turns out to be genuine, but then he does that shit at the end leaving you feeling like crap. So messed up... Can't help but feel bad for everyone who took care of his kid and was happy to see him still alive. Easy to forget that it's still a cruel world despite all the light moments here and there. |
fishguzheng said: If you like that style, fellow. This episode takes it a step further, rightfully turning the characters' proportions and frame's illustration into a vehicle for the mood. It's fucking beautiful. For me, I found this completely lacking in subtlety, it's the equivakent in animation of Jack Black when he does comedy. Overdone and outrageous. There are very good animated parts in this episode indeed, but these comedy parts are completely out of place here. In other episodes, they were toned down a lot and remained in a realistic register. That fitted much better. The main problem is that they take over the meaningful part of the story, nobody's discussing them anywhere. Only one fellow actually realized here in 4 pages that Kihuro was concerned about being cuter than Maru with a wig. And she was pleased not only by being selected but also because she's a woman. That's the problem when style is priviledged over substance. And that's very much why I don't believe I'll follow this young director's future work. |
| What happened with the animation ? The story is still good btw. |
| Weaker than the previous episodes cause of the worse animation Some parts it felt like my player was lagging lol. The plot also felt more like a build-up for the next episodes. Needs more info to put all the stuff together. Maybe the guy with the kid ... was in the facility but one of the later generations? We'll see. I hope they are actually going to discover the facility in the remaining episodes. |
Very noticeable artstyle and animation style changing throughout the anime. Some parts look breathtaking, some are not quite fitting This artstyle is the most noticeable and takes me by surprise. It's quite funny ngl |
DinobunnJun 4, 2023 5:08 AM
| How can people say the art was bad in this episode? It had some of the most well-drawn and crisp environmental animation I've ever seen in an anime! |
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| Man i can't with people saying the animation quality dropped for this ep.... the first freezing scene was one of the best animated and directed scene that i have seen in a long time and certainly the best this year. The goofier stylistic changes were an artistic choice and even though it might not connect with some of you, it is by no means a drop in quality. The guest director from studio trigger just did something different with the direction and pacing of this ep. The only thing that i slightly don't like about this ep's direction was the powerpoint at the begining , it felt weird and i had to rewatch to clearly understand why this guy came back to them. |
Apolygon2 said: the word you're looking for is "style" not "tricks" yes it is true that on a technical animation level, most of this episode wasn't the best thing ever. but style is not a trick. it's just as if not even more important that everything else. Officially it's a "style", but it's also compromised of "tricks". For example, when the boobs scene start and Juuichi slides from the side of the screen. That's is a "trick" to make movement with less animation. When you use a bunch of "tricks" regularly it turns into an style, but individually those art animation shortcuts. Apolygon2 said: the art style just shift randomly. there is always something that it's elevating. that's why it works. Not when that wasn't the style and tone of the rest of the series, that somehow was working very well and delivering everything it needed without resorting to style shifts. Remember when Kiruko had a panic attack? They didn't need to resort to changing the art style, tone, crazy colors, to convey perfecting what he was feeling. dior said: what was better i am genuinely curious After watching that whole episode 8 where so much was conveyed without words just with little gestures, expressions and movements, it's hard to accept this episode having difficulty delivering a simple smile. |
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Apolygon2 said: jabot925 said: can someone explain the ending with juichi and the kid to me like im 5? im really confused basically when they were escaping from the walled place, someone yelled out and gave them away. he killed the guy who gave them away as revenge and ran away with his kid. there is more to it though, read this if you want all the details: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2097631 There's something I think you didn't commented about. One thing I noticed is that Juuichi was "coping" with what had happened by convincing himself that the place was bad, pure evil. So it didn't matter that he escaped alone and the two women stayed behind, because the two were just bad and evil women. Maybe that's part of the reason why he was lying that he wanted to find and kill the two for what they had tone to him. Thinking like this he didn't had to suffer their loss and Boar 6 betrayal was softened, because two didn't deserved to leave that place anyway. animegyu606 said: While I'm not the biggest fan of the animation style, I understand why they did the story this way as it seems like this part was more of a standalone side adventure rather than moving forward with clues to what is going on. If they kept the traditional format, I think a lot of people would've been bored as it was somewhat filler to how they get the car and the new class of students in heaven. This episode gave another bunch of answers to those paying atention to the story. |
PaninaManinaJun 4, 2023 7:21 AM
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animegyu606 said: Unfortunately, I think this is the change of style that gives this impression.I understand why they did the story this way as it seems like this part was more of a standalone side adventure rather than moving forward with clues to what is going on. If they kept the traditional format, I think a lot of people would've been bored as it was somewhat filler to how they get the car and the new class of students in heaven. While it's not the case at all. In the manga, it fits very well with the rest, it does not look like a side adventure. There are many clues to learn here as part as the whole story and some clues on Kiruko's character development. They all also are in the episode but they seem hidden what the fact that the change of style stands out. You just missed them and you're probably not the only one. |
| Anime of The Year if we have to be honest here. what a great episode and anime in general. |
| Great episode with some huge creative choices in animation, it was similar to the Mob psycho's III alien episode which I liked as well. |
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PaninaManina said: Apolygon2 said: the word you're looking for is "style" not "tricks" yes it is true that on a technical animation level, most of this episode wasn't the best thing ever. but style is not a trick. it's just as if not even more important that everything else. Officially it's a "style", but it's also compromised of "tricks". For example, when the boobs scene start and Juuichi slides from the side of the screen. That's is a "trick" to make movement with less animation. When you use a bunch of "tricks" regularly it turns into an style, but individually those art animation shortcuts. Apolygon2 said: the art style just shift randomly. there is always something that it's elevating. that's why it works. Not when that wasn't the style and tone of the rest of the series, that somehow was working very well and delivering everything it needed without resorting to style shifts. Remember when Kiruko had a panic attack? They didn't need to resort to changing the art style, tone, crazy colors, to convey perfecting what he was feeling. dior said: what was better i am genuinely curious After watching that whole episode 8 where so much was conveyed without words just with little gestures, expressions and movements, it's hard to accept this episode having difficulty delivering a simple smile. "elevated" not "fixed" yes the panic attack scene was great. I never said you NEED to change art style. I said it can make it better. the freezing scene left a much bigger impression on me than the panic attack purely because of the art style shift. that does not mean the panic attack was bad. it was amazing. this was just even better. also yes, I know the goofier scenes had some cheap animation at some points. but like.... you're talking as if the entire episode was like that. the goofier cheaper style that has cheap "tricks" as you call them, still works. and that's all that matters. let's not pretend like the episode didn't have great looking cuts. the freezing scene, the final shot of the car driving, the whole first scene of them driving to the place, the whole baby freezing scene... they all looked incredible. and unlike the start, the style wasn't done "cheaply" with "tricks". also, all your other comments are fair enough arguments, but that smile point is so stupid it actually annoys me. if anything trigger characters are too expressive. that smile wasn't faint because they couldn't make a proper smile, that's so fucking stupid. he was a dying man giving a weak smile. it was meant to be subtle and weak. that scene wasn't even in a different art style. the show looked like how it normally does. |
APolygons2Jun 4, 2023 8:15 AM
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Dinobunn said: Very noticeable artstyle and animation style changing throughout the anime. Some parts look breathtaking, some are not quite fitting This artstyle is the most noticeable and takes me by surprise. It's quite funny ngl it looks like the opening... and both this and the opening look like sonny boy... and as a fan, I'm happy it exists. I wish it used it more so it wasn't just this one random 2 second shot, but I'll take what I get. |
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| What a brutal ending.. but what I don't understand is how come the baby is a man-eater? Great episode, as usual.. enjoyed the animation/direction :) |
| You're smoking something if you think the animation looked bad. |
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| The way He's touching Her chest like nothing XD |
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| Wth that ending , I thought this will finally end peacefully but it seems some stuff are still going on between them |
| It is usually quite a good indicator that the episode you are about to watch is going to be great if they ditch the opening. Saying that, I personally found the episode to be quite dissapointing. The direction and animation were both peak but i felt like there really wasnt anything on the story side of things to warrant it. My problem is that the episode from beginning to end feels like it is going to have that grandious moment but then the episode just ends. I can only speak for myself but I found the "twist" that he is psycho interessting though not interessting enough on its own. So as long as this story doesn't continue in the next episode, which I don't expect, since the main characters already left and the show has quite an episodic structure, this just isn't as good as I expected it to be. |
| Hello, please don't take anything I say as an insult, it is not meant as an attack against you as a person. If I directly disagree with you, that does not mean I think you are wrong, I am just more correct. |
| 10 episodes in out of 13 and I don't see any plot threads leading to a conclusion. I'm not sure if there are fliller episodes in this series or what. |
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Juuichi is NOT a psycho. He just killed the person who snitched him and juugo's mom when they tried to escape the facility. He has planned to killed the man from the very start, just go back and rewatch the episode and look at how juuichi acts around him and how the victim acts around juuichi. Not to mention at the very start of the episode juuichi said that he wanted to take revenge too I know what you mean though I still disagree. The episode tried to make his actions look, I wouldn't say insane but it certainly didn't portray him as mentally stable. Or are you trying to tell me that a sane man would have killed the victim right next to his own son. His behaviour also become a lot more recless and he even did that "smile with blood on your face thing" that psychos always do in movies. So yeah, he isn't completely insane and their sure as hell is reason behind his actions but that doesn't mean that he is depicted that way, which also gives his character in the context of the show a lot more depth or at least the illision of depth. |
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| This episode was really weird. Okay for one it's basically just continuing a side story about some random character that doesn't really feel important. It's actually quite a well done revenge/regret story but the only thing that is actually relevant to the main story out of this is that the kid is a maneater or something? But the most fucked part is how we are just okay with that? Like am I missing something cause why tf can we just leave the kid alone like that? Can he turn into that monster spider thingy? Seems completely nonsensical. Also the art direction this episode was super weird. Like what's up with all the derp faces out of nowhere? |
| No shit. Juuichi's story was actually true. That was a nice twist. So... I had an inkling but now I'm pretty sure Jugo's mother and her female partner were those two girls from the facility Tokio caught kissing. The mother had the ice powers that Jugo ended up inheriting but unfortunately she turned into the spider Hiruko after being executed as the creature had the same "sentai" pendant on one of its legs. Damn, these facility kids' future is fucked. Overall, another solid episode. Unlike many people here, I actually liked the change in animation and visuals (boob grabbing scene was superb). Way more cartoonish? Yeah, but also really vivid and as a result, we ended up having some really cool sequences (Kiruko freezing and Juuichi's flashbacks) as well as even cooler stills (Kiruko walking towards the spider Hiruko after having figured out how its power worked). |
poemofdevil said: I came into to gush about the animation this episode (and story) to find people saying the animation was bad... LOL. Are you people on crack? This is one of the most beautifully animated episodes I have seen this season. And that's with me watching Vinland S2 and Witch from Mercury S2 in addition to this. This is a consistently great looking show and I felt this one was the best looking one so far. The first attack scene at the abandoned school/fortress was incredible looking... Like something I would expect from a high quality theatrical release and not a weekly show. The cartoon-ish scenes were a stylistic choice. Similar shifts in style happen in the opening and have appeared in various points throughout the season during other comedic scenes. How do you people get 10 episodes into this show and not recognize that at any other point? We could ask the same thing. Are you on crack or just copying? We could also get on our high horse and claim that you're not being objective and you're watching this thru rose tinted shades and completely ignoring that from a technical point of view that less frames are actually animated compared to previous episodes from the same series and it definitely doesn't hold a candle to other titles from this season, specially not The Witch from Mercury and it's gorgeous fluidly animated 2D mechas. Regarding the comedic sttyle, you're also objectively wrong. The show has had it's bits of comedical relief, but nothing like this 3 ring circus that could had been written by Rumiko Takahashi and her monkey like exagerated face style. How do you watch 10 episodes of this and act as if this was always the production benchmark? This is just massive amount of copium and denial. |
PurplePants said: That's a good theory as I was thinking that maybe both man-eaters were one and the same but yours makes more sense.Just my theory , i think the hiruko at the rundown facility was the mother of that kid , because they had the same power. Regarding Juuichi, I didn't really trust him but at least he did not cheat Maru and Kiruko. Also, I get why he murdered that guy but it was still hard to see as the remaining people alive are struggling as is (and he also stole their vehicle). Meanwhile, we got to see new students in the school/facility and I'm curious if they played a role in its demise. Side note, I thought that the difference in art style, specifically the exaggerated facial expressions, was jarring since that hat not been the norm throughout. If it had that style from the get go it would've been fine but from reading the comments this was due to a guest director. |
fishguzheng said: Homura24 said: It's expressive. It didn't "fall off" and it's not something that "doesn't fit".what happened to the art and animation this ep it felt off and kind of goofy well pretty good episode none the less The past-tense frame-by-frame is meant to convey something being recollected. The off-model characters are meant to be comedic. The blobby forms after the Hiruko attack are meant to contrast with the harsh edges and fluidity of the attack itself. The disjointed and truncated flashbacks aren't cut off for budget's sake, they're short and pointed for the sake of developing a plot and character we've never met before. It's insanely powerful. Every single shot in this episode carries purpose and character. It's an incredible feat. Someone in this thread said it doesn't fit. I'd argue it's just going even further than the show has so far. Shots and music and writing have so far been really well-done in service of whatever tone they're meant to express. This episode takes it a step further, rightfully turning the characters' proportions and frame's illustration into a vehicle for the mood. It's fucking beautiful. It's quite literally the same level of quality as Cyberpunk Edgerunners Episode 6. This guy has a beautiful career ahead of him. no one said it "fell off" what I'm saying is it felt different then the previous 9 episodes not saying it's bad but they changed it randomly and out of no where if they wanted to do this they should have either done it from the start or not done it at all |
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| Hope the animation and direction on this episode was a one off thing for the guest director and things go back to normal after... So it kinda seemed like the man-eater spider at the school had one of those lil power ranger key-chains, like the lesbian couple that was with Juichi... meaning one of them had to definitely be from the facility in the past with Tokio and the others ( since we know once they die, they turn into the maneaters). Since one seemed to be blond and the other have dark hair, maybe it was the two girls seen kissing in that one episode where Tokio was learning about "kissing" and stuff and that other kid that was dying tried to put the moves on her. Though I didn't quite understand the part at the end with him running behind his car in red... unless that was just a stylistic choice to show he departed from the "him" in the story he told, by embracing the revenge of those two women he was running away with, for the sake of his son? |
| yeah felt like we went through 3 different art styles this episode haha, was fun to watch though |
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| Can someone explain what happened between episode 9 and 10? In episode 9, the guy with the #11 fake tatoo seemed to be a liar and flew away Then, episode 10 starts with the main characters travelling with this #11 guy, who happens to have a real tatoo, without any further explanation, and now his story seems to be confirmed and was not a lie about boys used as breeders and all Am I the only one who got put off by this episode transition, or did I miss something? |
Radical_Orion said: They flashback and explain how they started travelling with him after they do so. It's a way for them to pick up the pacing in the storyCan someone explain what happened between episode 9 and 10? In episode 9, the guy with the #11 fake tatoo seemed to be a liar and flew away Then, episode 10 starts with the main characters travelling with this #11 guy, who happens to have a real tatoo, without any further explanation, and now his story seems to be confirmed and was not a lie about boys used as breeders and all Am I the only one who got put off by this episode transition, or did I miss something? |
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