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| I wasn't a fan right away but I'll admit Ichikawa and Yamada's chemistry is slowly growing on me |
animeIs4Children said: geniune question. Is female main character mentally challenged or special needs? she's what we like to call in the medical field a "Japanese blonde," but she could be faking. She is shown to be perceptive/minupluative. |
Mariklyn said: Some may be perceptive in some things but totally fail in academics and other spheres, for example one may catch on how male feels while totally fail to understand females, etc (seeing someone being in love but totally don't understand when someone hates someone etc not always opposites, but you can say some fields). I can't say she is manipulative, she does things like a joke or with ignorance, total lack f common sense etc (like she asked to bring a plate while she was joking, sometimes i think she does something to get a reaction) The ways she treats MC is that she is interested in him or have a rush on it's my assumption, i think she had her eyes on him even before he understood he liked her. It's like she's messing with one she likes.animeIs4Children said: geniune question. Is female main character mentally challenged or special needs? she's what we like to call in the medical field a "Japanese blonde," but she could be faking. She is shown to be perceptive/minupluative. |
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| that scene in the bike is probably my favorite moment of the anime so far |
| Lol i love how yamada tries to neck ichikawa and he really is standing for her in the techer room, And yamada in a this outfits at mc was nice to see. |
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| another adorbs episode i wonder when are they gonna hook-up!? Kyoutarou needs to step-up his game or somebody gonna NTR Yamada's b0bas at this rate...lolololz 5/5. |
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| Hmm, love as mental illness huh? I think the only other time I heard that line was in Haruhi, and it's quite an interesting thing to think about. I do like how Kyoutaro has developed so far, his chuuni persona has faded a lot since the beginning, and he's talking more now, which is nice. I wonder why he's so embarrassed around his sister as well. Good episode overall, and the progression is quite nice, and I also wonder if Yamada's family is actually quite strict, since she's forbidden from basketball now. |
| Each ep is so different and for that is so likeable this anime, like you don't know what'll think Ichikawa and you don't know what'll do the yamada All days are different And for what we seen in this ep... she isn't so dumb how we thought she'd be She made him choose between a candy or whatever it was that shit, and with a lil decision she knew that they'd be friends |
FanthyLordApr 23, 2023 10:30 AM
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| This show is so adorable. Love both of these idiots and the things they do together. Looks like some more development in their friendship. Cute. |
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| It's starting to make me angry with all these sweets, the milk thing looked sus though. The ending was cute, they're already closer and closer, Yamada looks so great in her everyday clothes |
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| Yamada is a charming character, at first I found her just weird, but now I think her quirkiness is adorable. I can't say the same about Ichikawa tho, while I don't think he's particularly bad as a character, it's just annoying to watch all the stuttering, the weird mannerisms, the shyness and so on and so on. Can't say I dislike him because of those things in particular, since I can appreciate the representation of introversion, anxiety, queerness and things like that, hence I love Bocchi, but this one isn't really clicking for me. Hopefully the whole murderous intent is over, apparently, and Ichikawa is getting some development, so I might end up tolerating him more with time, let's see. |
  Grant me one hour on love's most sacred shores To clasp the bosom that my soul adores, Lie heart to heart and merge my soul with yours |
Innskip said: Mariklyn said: Some may be perceptive in some things but totally fail in academics and other spheres, for example one may catch on how male feels while totally fail to understand females, etc (seeing someone being in love but totally don't understand when someone hates someone etc not always opposites, but you can say some fields). I can't say she is manipulative, she does things like a joke or with ignorance, total lack f common sense etc (like she asked to bring a plate while she was joking, sometimes i think she does something to get a reaction) The ways she treats MC is that she is interested in him or have a rush on it's my assumption, i think she had her eyes on him even before he understood he liked her. It's like she's messing with one she likes.she's what we like to call in the medical field a "Japanese blonde," but she could be faking. She is shown to be perceptive/minupluative. lol, when you put it like that, this seems like inverse of "Don't Toy with me, Miss Nagatoro" but to be clear, when I say minuplative, I mean in the sense of being two steps ahead of situations. To get a favorable outcome and not the negative connotation of the word. I also agree with you that the main female character had a crush long before the male lead and just teasing him to get the hint. |
| Surprisingly so, this series is just getting better and better. I can clearly see growth here and there and this one looks like it's going well. |
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
| Yamada in casual outfit looks very mature. |
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| Oh boy, I was so swept away by how fantastic a job they did animating Yamada at the fast food place I barely remember anything else that happened. |
| Quantum ille canis est in fenestra |
| I love how the relationship is developing. It's not your standard "they both like each other since episode 1 but can't confess" |
| Nino is the objectively superior one, don't @ me |
| PSA: Don't use the chemistry glassware for food. |
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| I really like the scene where he tries to argue that she didn't throw those garbage, also the little bandage on her nose is kind of cute actually. |
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| Nice episode I guess. Finally they talked with each other.. a lot. Still, Yamada seems to be very inconsistent as a character at times, at one moment she acts like clueless comedy relief character and the next time she is teasing Ichikawa without second thought. I get it's partly her appeal and their dynamic is good there are still scenes where those rough edges shows (and that this was autor's first manga). Anime actually fixes some scenes and adds better pacing at least (like the scene with fallen picture in the last episode was anime original). But it still needs some work. Also, whole point of the last scene during talk with the teacher was he casuallly switched to first name-basis (he corrected himself but she noticed) but it was all lost in the translation. Aftertwards, when she said "Yamada de ii yo" the official subs were completely off ('let's talk like friends' doesn't really makes it), she just said she is okay for him to call her just Yamada without any honorifics (no use of honorifics means you are very close to each other). Speaking of bad subs, the scene at McDonald was also completely spoiled by subs as Kana never said anything about being his sister so it should have looked like he is with his girlfriend at first. It was only revealed she's his sister midway through the scene when Yamada was eavesdropping too. She bumped into him later on because she was jealous. Somehow, I hope they'll hire more competent translators the next time. Sometimes, removing literal meaning leads to confusion and loss of context. |
Mich666Apr 26, 2023 4:42 PM
Mich666 said: Kana never said anything about being his sister She did; she referred to herself as "Onee" when she gave Kyoutarou her fries. This is why the first thing Yamada says to him later is that he's there with his sister. |
Fronzel said: I know that, that's why I said midway through the scene. But it was only after his curiousity was peaked with Yamada's explaining story of being hit on. In fact, seeing him with another girl, her curiosity was peaked too.She did; she referred to herself as "Onee" when she gave Kyoutarou her fries. This is why the first thing Yamada says to him later is that he's there with his sister. In the beginning his sister jokingly said "Tsukiatte kurete arigatou, aishteru yo" (thanks for coming with me, I love you) and the subs translated "love you" as "my dear little brother". He only spoke about her sister in his mind with "Konna ane to issho ni iru tokoro" (again, he says nothing like "idiot" sister but it's implied with his tone). I know those are just small details but in some scenes it does matter. Anyway, this is just one of many things the anime improved on as in the manga her identity is given out right away. It's actually clever direction that elevates the adaptation a lot. The quality is there and it's no surprise since the director of this anime actually directed Takagi too. |
Mich666 said: Fronzel said: I know that, that's why I said midway through the scene. But it was only after his curiousity was peaked with Yamada's explaining story of being hit on. In fact, seeing him with another girl, her curiosity was peaked too.She did; she referred to herself as "Onee" when she gave Kyoutarou her fries. This is why the first thing Yamada says to him later is that he's there with his sister. This is the same in the manga. Are you suggesting the audience might think she's his girlfriend rather than his sister? The only difference I'm seeing in the manga is it clearly explained that she was his sister before Yamada entered into the scene. Cutting that out of the anime may have been a pacing or running-time issue. |
Swiss_Bohemian said: Translations shouldn't really remove any notions of japanese culture to spoon feed it to western audience because japan culture and uniqueness is the main draw for anime viewers. Sometimes it's better to leave honorific system untouched, especially when the manga/anime plays with it a lot. Otherwise small details completely disappear. Most of the people would understand it anyway, and probably better than with current sentence.Translator should not underestimate its target demographic.Mich666 said: No, nothing was lost in the official subs. "Yamada de ii yo" implies that they're (close) friends from now on. It would be akward to literally translate what Anna said without mentioning what she actually implies by that. 'Let's talk like friends' is a clever way to translate the closing gap between them, "just call me Yamada" wouldn't cut it.Also, whole point of the last scene during talk with the teacher was he casuallly switched to first name-basis (he corrected himself but she noticed) but it was all lost in the translation. Aftertwards, when she said "Yamada de ii yo" the official subs were completely off ('let's talk like friends' doesn't really makes it), she just said she is okay for him to call her just Yamada without any honorifics (no use of honorifics means you are very close to each other). Mich666 said: I get it's partly her appeal and their dynamic is good there are still scenes where those rough edges shows (and that this was autor's first manga). Again, no, BokuYabai is not Norio's first work. Far from it. She has been active since to early to mid 2000s. BokuYabai started in 2018 and is her fourth major work, IIRC. Yamada as a character is perfect in the manga from the beginning like she is, but that's just my opinion. I disagree with Yamada being perfect as to me it feels the author didn't quite knew where to put her until later in the manga (well at least during the first volume). But I realize this is probably subjective feeling. I agree on the second part, my bad, she really was active ever since 2003 as I later found - but outside of Mitsudomoe and Rororro, most of her other published works were either oneshots or anthologies. The point was the manga really feels like the debut for better or worse. Also, like I mentioned before, the director actually added some scenes and details like the fallen picture he gave her in the last episode, for anime to flow better. |
Mich666Apr 27, 2023 4:32 PM
| That last scene though. The ost is absolutely incredible and elevates this show so much for me (heavy Silent Voice vibes) |
Swiss_Bohemian said: If you have master's degree you probably realize they already dropped the keigo and speak with each other casually. In fact, casual speech is used almost exclusively in anime. At which point "Let's talk more like friends" makes no real sense in given situation. In fact, what does that sentence even mean to people in western countries? The better analogy would be to call each other on first-name basis which would be more undestandable for people around the globe. Kyoutarou and Anna. But that's different step in japanese hiearchy, very intimate to say, and they are not quite there yet.In that regard, "Let's talk like friends" is a completely ok translation for me for "Yamada de ii yo". I think it's better that a literal translation like "Just call me Yamada", which doesn't make sense to a general audience outside of anime fans who know what honorific has been dropped and who, to say it bluntly, worship such honorifics as if it was part of an untouchable language coming straight from the Gods. He only used formal speech with their teacher which is given because japanese also makes difference between addressing others in your ingroup and outgroup. So using Yamada-san or Ms. Yamada in that situation might be preferable to make the distinction clear for overseas audience. Interestingly, Yamada is speaking casually even to teachers. So my opinion is that in certain situations the use of honorifics might be well deserved even if those are not used in the rest of the anime. Some specific scenes may call for different approach. Or you need to use some clever translation tricks to convey the actual distance between the characters (if I recall correctly, Komi-san subs did that well). Othewise whole context of given scene is lost. As translator myself, I generally understand your reasoning and share your sentiment, the more so when translating japanese to different european languages with its own specifics. And I agree non-literal localization works well in different mediums (books, live-action movies, some games even etc.) But English has Hepburn where it poses no problem. And anime, manga or visual novels are still very specific in that it attracts people who are willing to understand the culture. There is also big difference between dub (where honorifics would feel ultra weird) and subs (where hearing different sentence than you are reading might feel distractive). If anything the translator should know its demographics and do not try to remove every cultural specifics like infamous Ace Attorney series. In some cases people even demand more literal translation as opposed to vague localization nowadays. And since Japan is now widely recognized in modern world thanks to its cultural export, things like honorific system or some traditions are no longer in dire need to be explained like some.. 20 years ago or so. Anyway, at this point we are probably offtopic here so I leave it at that. |
| the subs are so terrible for this. they completely change what is being spoken. hate it. great episode though. really liking it. i thought it was getting too lame with the mc's murder thing but now it's getting really cute and wholesome. one of my fav of this season. 5/5. is this an end card? where did you find this? |
 The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
TsutanaiFuun said: the subs are so terrible for this. they completely change what is being spoken. hate it. great episode though. really liking it. i thought it was getting too lame with the mc's murder thing but now it's getting really cute and wholesome. one of my fav of this season. 5/5. is this an end card? where did you find this? Official website. |
| this boy and girl do not belong together at all. but, this is a pretty cute show. lol at the science lab scene give her the ice cream cone bro |
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Ricky16 said: oh i see. nice....TsutanaiFuun said: the subs are so terrible for this. they completely change what is being spoken. hate it. great episode though. really liking it. i thought it was getting too lame with the mc's murder thing but now it's getting really cute and wholesome. one of my fav of this season. 5/5. is this an end card? where did you find this? Official website. |
The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
| "I never would have dreamed in all my miserable life that I'd split a pack of Papiko with a girl one day.." and then he only got the seal, lol. Oh but he got it in the end ;) sweet! That ending too! So cuteeee~ :3 |
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