| Are people biased because it doesn't live up to their expectation of what the trigun should be? Do people hate it just because it's CG? Do you think it deserves a higher/lower score than it has now? What do you think? |
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theoxl said: I've only watched a few episodes, but so far it seems alright. I don't understand the hate it's getting. Though i haven't watched the original, so it got me curiousI haven’t seen the original, so I’m going totally blind into this show. That said, the CG is the best I’ve ever seen in anime. The uninterrupted shots they are able to make in the fight scenes are beautiful to look at. Personally I think it deserves a higher score, and that it’s an underrated anime. |
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| @keeznuts I think this new anime didn't have the same feels that the original had. The original took its time to show its characters and setting, more leaning into the classic western that you see in western media at the time, and a fun but also bleak tone that's balanced well. This one just doesn't have any of those. Even looking at this new adaptation, there are faults. Such as jarring scenes throughout some its episodes. |
| It depends on who you ask. Everyone has their reasons for liking and disliking the show. I don't have a high opinion of the original anime despite rating it an 8, a score that I gave it mainly because I loved the characters. The story and animation were very weak by 2022 standards (when I watched it), but I loved the personality of the characters and the voice acting work. I was open to changes with this new show to improve the other areas where the original was lacking, but I feel the only part where they succeeded improving is the animation. The story still feels very weak. It's great that they brought Knives in earlier, but I haven't found the side enemies and their stories to be compelling at all. It's kind of boring. At least the original gave us the Meryl-Milly-Vash chase before the Knives backstory. Sure the enemy of the week format during the chase was sometimes underwhelming, but Vash's interactions with the girls was enjoyable. That's missing here for a poor substitute of Vash moping around all the time. I really dislike the changes to the characters in terms of their personality and character designs. 1998 Vash was very likeable and full of charisma. 2023 Vash is a total bore. Did they call him the Humanoid Typhoon earlier in the season? I can't recall. What an ill-fitting nickname for this new version of Vash if they did. There's little that's remarkable about the character now. Roberto is a poor substitute for Milly and I dislike the Roberto-Meryl dynamic. Anyway, around episode 4 or so I decided to stop doing comparisons and just judge the show on its own merits, but ultimately I can't help but feel underwhelmed and disappointed. The show has dropped the ball story-wise and character-wise. I wouldn't say it's bad. A 7.40 is not a bad score nor is the 6 that I'm already leaning toward giving it at the end unless things drastically improve. |
| sure the original is better but i haven't seen anyone really "hate" this. it's alright but one of the shows i'll probably never talk about once it stops airing. it's fairly rated, 7+ is a good score. |
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| IMO people are just biased because one of the most beloved anime from the 90s is getting remade. The animation is fucking amazing the soundtrack rocks and the story is much closer to the source material than the original anime. Yes this show is more fast paced and doesnt take as many detours but for me the detours and less eventful episodes were the worst part of the original anime so I absolutely love this! |
| Unstained by original anime or manga, its great, I specifically started watching after learning that its by Orange so no problem with CGI. OST goes hard and I like the writing, I had seen some snipped of the original and based only on that - I cant imagine original "slapstick" comedy working well with current animation style. Having only 12 episodes instead of 26, it makes sense they cant afford to do slower story building up and big "tone" changes. So choosing more "mature" aspects is move I greatly apreciace..since I grew tired of most Shounen tropes. |
| Both are good, incomparable. The same good story can't go wrong even being shown in a different way. Haters are hating for one reason all the time, and that is they can't accept things they didn't think about before of how it have to be done, usually people that stagnates because is hard to walk a path. |
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| I wanted to write something regarding how unreasonable many vocal critics of Trigun Stampede are, but... Doppelori said: Baby duck syndrome & unreasonable hatred for CGI. People who watched 1998 anime have grown into fine grumpy boomers themselves and inherited the mantle of "new thing bad" from their parents. ... this post has pretty much everything I'd include in my post. That's why I will only say: I fully agree, and I couldn't have worded it better myself to sum up that kind of mindset represented by said people in a short way. Well, I'd actually add something. Reading comprehension, or rather lack of it. Many critics complained as heck on how this show is different to the manga, while the first Trigun anime was a solid adaptation. First of all, this show was meant to tell an anime original story. If somebody wanted to see something else, then it's not this anime's fault. It's like blaming the Sun that it's dark outside during the night. Quite ridicilous, eh? Being salty about reboot that is advertised as a reboot to not be 1:1 adaptation of the source material. About the second point, the original anime - however good - wasn't a faithful adaptation due to the fact that the studio had to improvise, since there were no more chapters to adapt back then, aside from Trigun manga (Trigun Maximum is its sequel; it's longer and more seinen-like, while "base" Trigun has more shounen-like elements). |
LordSozin said: The original anime is full of bullshit. It significantly cuts and alters characters to make them much worse than they were in the manga. Stampede is more respectful of the source material. It is interpreting the manga in new but respectfully interesting ways that do not feel as gimped as the original anime.@keeznuts I think this new anime didn't have the same feels that the original had. The original took its time to show its characters and setting, more leaning into the classic western that you see in western media at the time, and a fun but also bleak tone that's balanced well. This one just doesn't have any of those. Even looking at this new adaptation, there are faults. Such as jarring scenes throughout some its episodes. |
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| its trash if you took this anime and made it non cgi, it would still be trash the cgi is just the cherry on the turd cake. |
Aggnog said: mediocrity can't create something new and surviveEven if it was at all above average, the real question is why is it called Trigun? It's obviously just milking a franchise that everyone except its fans have forgotten about, basically an insult aimed only at them. It can easily just have a different name and not be judged for what its not, but instead it will now be just another bad remake like berserk. thus it has to co-opt and parasite off things other people created. |
| I think it depends. Kinda apples and oranges. Some people just flat don’t like cgi in anime period. Some people are going to hate that it’s not the same as the original. Some people are going to hate that they made this in the first place (since there is already a great anime already) I think the animation is incredible, they got right into the story with no real filler, but they also could have fleshed out the characters a bit more. It’s a great adaptation. But they are not going to please everyone with it. I’d say just sit back and enjoy the ride, who cares about what others think. Nobody but themselves are going to change their opinion of anything. |
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| It’s great, people are biased. The direction and care put into the world are leagues above what you normally see for a show. |
theoxl said: I feel the exact same way.I haven’t seen the original, so I’m going totally blind into this show. That said, the CG is the best I’ve ever seen in anime. The uninterrupted shots they are able to make in the fight scenes are beautiful to look at. Personally I think it deserves a higher score, and that it’s an underrated anime. |
| I was so discouraged by comments about the poor quality of CGI, but yesterday I watched the first episode only out of curiosity and was surprised because it doesn't look bad at all??? I mean, I am usually first to criticize CGI but it really looks good, the fights are well animated, the expressions look a bit weird sometimes but it is how it is, it will always look a bit akward to me. Overall, it looks dynamic and that's what I appreciate the most. As for the story... I watched all the available episodes yesterday, that's how I was hooked. But note that I haven't watched the original, maybe it really was much better and that's why people are angry, but maybe it's also their nostalgia and the show doesn't have the same vibe for them. For me, without knowing the original Trigun, it's good, it looks good and I love stories like this. Also, I agree with part of the comment above about shallow characters, but I'm not sure about the simplicity of the story, I'm not even sure who is the bad guy in this anymore. So maybe it is simple but more in 'yeah world is complicated' way. But I enjoy it! Give me fights in space, likeable protagonist and moral dilemma and I'm happy. |
sleepy_bug said: I completely agree with you. I really can't understand how anyone can look at this show and still say it looks bad.I was so discouraged by comments about the poor quality of CGI, but yesterday I watched the first episode only out of curiosity and was surprised because it doesn't look bad at all??? I mean, I am usually first to criticize CGI but it really looks good, the fights are well animated, the expressions look a bit weird sometimes but it is how it is, it will always look a bit akward to me. Overall, it looks dynamic and that's what I appreciate the most. As for the story... I watched all the available episodes yesterday, that's how I was hooked. But note that I haven't watched the original, maybe it really was much better and that's why people are angry, but maybe it's also their nostalgia and the show doesn't have the same vibe for them. For me, without knowing the original Trigun, it's good, it looks good and I love stories like this. Also, I agree with part of the comment above about shallow characters, but I'm not sure about the simplicity of the story, I'm not even sure who is the bad guy in this anymore. So maybe it is simple but more in 'yeah world is complicated' way. But I enjoy it! Give me fights in space, likeable protagonist and moral dilemma and I'm happy. |
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| A little bit of column A and a little bit of column B, I think its hard to not directly compare literally everything to the pre-existing series but at the same time this standalone story really lacks much build up and feels often very half baked from a writing standpoint, like in the original it used comedy as a lead in to the more serious tone of the series' later parts causing there to be a very distinct contrast that emphasized just how dangerous or serious things have gotten, stampede makes the mistake of leading with the drama from the get go and only teasing small slivers of light hearted adventure elements whilst the big dramatic points take up 95% of the screen time leading to them lacking much impact at all cause the high stake emotion is the norm not the exception and it all just sort of blurs together as a result. I think its probably an ok show in a bubble, but that ok really starts to feel worse when its constantly coming up short to 2 already existent stories and no matter how much I try to seperate it, frankly the series doesn't do enough on its own to actually let me. I think of FMA 2003 and brotherhood, regardless of what one thinks of them fundementally there is so much different from what 2003 does than the source materal even when it is still adating "directly" that it stands as its own beast tonally, thematically, and eventually in plot structure and characterization entirely, it becomes hard to directly compare at least certain elements cause overall its such a different beast, Stampede feels like its running through the motions with only slight tweaks and failing to fully commit to the original aspects. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
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