freedoleen said: The following entry will be removed as it is not an anime, but a collection of game cut scenes: Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus OVA/special episodes bundled with games are acceptable. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101 Explain. |
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ladyxzeus said: freedoleen said: The following entry will be removed as it is not an anime, but a collection of game cut scenes: Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus OVA/special episodes bundled with games are acceptable. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101 Explain. The Dirge of Cerberus entry was just a collection of "in-game" cutscenes, put together, which is why it was ousted. What is meant by "episodes bundled with games" is say, if you buy a video game and as a bonus, an anime episode came along with it, be it on the same disc or on a separate disc, that contained completely new content that was not featured in the game itself. |
ladyxzeus said: I think the mods were referring to OVAs that get bundled with video games. I believe this is how Mars of Destruction came into existence (correct me if I am wrong.)freedoleen said: The following entry will be removed as it is not an anime, but a collection of game cut scenes: Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus OVA/special episodes bundled with games are acceptable. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101 Explain. These OVAs must have new, original footage and not be made up of content from the game, such as cutscenes. At least, this how I interpret it. |
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flygon250 said: And we are all so grateful about that huh? :PI believe this is how Mars of Destruction came into existence (correct me if I am wrong.) Ok here is yet another anthology to merge: http://myanimelist.net/anime/2477/Amazing_Nuts!:_Glass_Eye http://myanimelist.net/anime/1998/Amazing_Nuts!:_Global_Astroliner_Gou http://myanimelist.net/anime/2478/Amazing_Nuts!:_Joe_and_Marilyn http://myanimelist.net/anime/1997/Amazing_Nuts!:_Kung-Fu_Love |
stoneblade said: Still feel the same way I did when I split Neo Tokyo, Memories, the Animatrix and many of the other anthologies way I did when I was putting them in. Their stories, animation and style are so widely contrating that it is hard to lump them together for the purposes of the rating system. That is very true for purposes of rating but for a list... imagine this already : Ayakashi-Japanese Classic Horror - 3 Ani*Kuri 15 - 15 Digital Juice - 6 Genius Party - 7 Genius Party Beyond - 5 Robot Carnival - 9 Sweat Punch - 5 6 titles in all. If we go by what you said (it is a valid argument in terms of rating), we'd have more than 40 separate titles. Add in Neo Tokyo (3), Memories (3), Amazing Nuts (4), and Animatrix (8) - add them all up - 60 + possible entries for 10 titles. I don't like bloating my list. I suggest that the individual episodes or arcs be listed in the additional info or in the main synopsis as they are anthologies. Perhaps in the 'More Info,' individual arcs/episodes have their own synopsis so that anyone can check if they have seen the story in the said listed title. Users can certainly add the synopsis for these. |
TsukikageRanDec 13, 2009 5:37 AM
| If it were up to me...yes. One title for everything related. All Dragonballs, GITShell, Clannad, One Piece...yes. Everything related to the franchise.(ñ_ñ) But, it's not up to me.(U_U) Lucky you.(^-^)b |
| I can just see the mods heads spinning! Just when the new guidelines are out. This guideline though is a good start. Kudos to them. That last suggestion of yours is a great idea but we'll have to wait until everything has settled down and there is a semblance of more order now that the guidelines are in place. Since we've been off topic for some time...I think we should quit while dear Asako hasn't shown up yet. (^_^)/~~ |
| I do see somewhat of a problem with the merging of certain compilations into a single entry...namely, that people might not then be able to find what it is that they're looking for. For instance, I first saw the Studio 4C shorts Kigeki and Kung-Fu Love completely independent of their respective compilations, and I didn't even know the names of said compilations until the titles were changed in the database recently. Hell, I didn't even know that either one was part of a compilation until some time after I first watched them and added them to the list. My concern is that, depending what information was entered when the entries were merged, it could be very difficult for someone searching only under those individual short names to find what it is they're looking for. And even if they had, it'd be hard to single out just which short they'd seen by having a simple "1/5" in the compilation entry. I think this becomes less of a problem for something like The Animatrix or Batman: Gotham Knight, where all of the shorts share the same theme and would most likely be seen by the viewer at the same time anyway, but for some of the more unconnected compilations, I think there's some value to keeping them separated out. (That being said, it would be nice to condense down the whole mass of Animatrix entries on my list, even if it means nerfing my series count a bit. :P) I'm also a bit disheartened by the decision to remove the entire category of North American edits, since I was actually intending to attempt to add one or two myself, and I think there's some inherent value in having them presented that way. For instance, the anime Tetsujin 28-go comprised 83 episodes, but I saw all 52 that were dubbed and released in the US as Gigantor. As it stands, I have the series on my "Completed" list, even though the episode count displayed doesn't match what I've actually watched; it's either that, or leave it in "On Hold" or "Dropped" forever, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. Gigantor is obviously still anime, since it's just Tetsujin 28-go under a different name and dubbed into English, but it's also its own entity in a certain respect; the original Astro-Boy series falls into a similar position. I think one could make an even more powerful argument for Robotech, where listing the individual portions under each component series' entry won't do a whole lot of good for users, since (I'd assume) none of the episode counts match up at all. Maybe it's just the organizational nut in me, but I'd rather have everything on my list represent the actual number of episodes I've seen of it. The US version of Dragonball Z is already being singled out due to its large userbase, but don't fans of somewhat less-popular shows deserve similar treatment? And just to second an earlier comment, I would very much disagree with the removal of the two Superflat entries. While they may be intended as Louis Vuitton advertisements, each has its own short plot progression, and they feel far more like an independent short than any sort of ad. They've also received a decent amount of critical acclaim, and they were worked on by Takeshi Murakami himself. |
| When will these changes start to be implemented? |
freedoleen said: @Top_Gun: We will put these titles in synonyms to make them searchable. So if you search for Kigeki you'll get redirected to Sweat Punch. Ah, that's good to know, at least. Just out of curiosity, will the individual entries automatically switch over to the compilation entry on our lists, or will we have to do that ourselves? About the edits. Technically nothing prevents you from setting the entry as completed with 52 out of 83 episodes. Though on your list it'll still look like you have seen them all... I know that it works that way just fine; it's really only my slight OCD-ness that makes me wish for a better way. :P You're right in that allowing any and all specific edits probably would open up a whole can of worms, since different countries possibly handled certain series in different ways. I do still feel like something like Robotech might be worthy of the same exception that DBZ does, given that it's almost as well-known under that format as it is under the three original series names, but anything beyond that would be too much of a mess, I guess. |
| Not health with little red! At least keep that. It deserves a place on MAL. But I guess it doesn't really fit as an anime... Separating CCS would make sense, they are really three separate seasons and if you've seen them you'd be able to tell (at least episodes 47 - 70 are entirely different from 1 - 46). Also, would it make sense to cut up Pokemon? I'm not sure if there was time in between seasons but it really shouldn't be one entry. |
DetectiveDec 21, 2009 11:17 AM
| I preferred the unmerged entries but oh well. |
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freedoleen said: Can you please add Memories to the list?The changes have been implemented. Some entries may take a while to fully update. You can see the updated list of merges and removals here. |
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| Hmm, going by this, shouldn't the entirety of Pokemon (the TV series) get merged together, as both the original, Advance and Diamond and Pearl aired consecutively of one another? Oh, btw, the air date for the original series is wrong, as it ended 14th of November 2002, not 21st of September 1999, as the MAL entry says. Sourced by the ANN page; the five first seasons (which compromise the "Pokemon" entry of MAL) aired from '97 till '02 - 272 episodes in total |
Llama_Guy said: I think they will be kept separate for the same reasons as Shugo Chara, but if we use that clause, then there may be an argument to split them up even more, as there were multiple seasons in each region.Hmm, going by this, shouldn't the entirety of Pokemon (the TV series) get merged together, as both the original, Advance and Diamond and Pearl aired consecutively of one another? l The main argument against that is that the main cast does not change during these sub-seasons the way it changes when Ash/Satoshi and Brock/Takeshi travels to a new region. |
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flygon250 said: As I posted elsewhere, we are not going to go back and go through every TV series that ever aired to see if they had a season between them or not, or if there were subtle changes in title or not. Entries already in place in the database will not be separated unless there is a very good reason for it.I think they will be kept separate for the same reasons as Shugo Chara, but if we use that clause, then there may be an argument to split them up even more, as there were multiple seasons in each region. The TV season rules are primarily aimed at currently airing series and how to best organise them in the database for users watching these shows as they air in Japan. Many entries already reflect these rules, and as MAL continues on into the future, the majority of the database will as well. |
| Ok... I think this is becoming a bit confuse, and the point is??? |
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| Well, I am one for organization and tidiness, especially here as I choose the forum as a excellent tool to keep my collection organized. Ah, more than once I came to check if I had not already got a series before starting a new dl...saved me time, net band and space. Having a big video library/collection causes the necessity of good and fast organizational tools if you collect fast and your time to watch what you have is short, and Animelist is a very good and easy to access database. Then keep the good work going! |
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| Denied: Solar Adventure (7487): Mostly produced by non-Koreans. |
kuroshiroiDec 29, 2009 10:28 AM
| Denied: Reform without Wasted Draws (7795): Duplicate of Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku |
| What about the ef - a tale of memories/melodies prologues? I think they should be merged(or deleted), because to me, they're just previews. |
kirAth-shiAueJan 1, 2010 2:04 AM
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| Denied: Alarm (7515): Korean doujin. Mateki: The Magic Flute book (7542): Not enough information. Fight Ippatsu! Juuden-chan!! - ELeC TriCk (7566): Music video that doesn't use the full song. Glorified promo. Avatar (7804): Avatar - The Last Airbender is not an anime. See the FAQ or the guidelines. |
kuroshiroiJan 1, 2010 6:11 PM
| Merged: Spirit_of_Wonder:_China-san_Specials (7320) merged with Spirit_of_Wonder:_The_Drinking_of_Miss_China (6245). The new title is Spirit of Wonder: China-san Tanpenshuu (6245). Denied: "The Restaurant of Many Orders (2002)" (7513): It's made by Japanese student as his graduate project at a British Art University. It's in English, has mostly/only? been shown at international festivals, isn't available for purchase in Japan, afaik and the creator isn't critically acclaimed. |
kuroshiroiJan 5, 2010 3:40 PM
| Shouldn't Ikkitousen DVD Specials be removed? They're only reused animation from the series with changed lines, and they've only been released on the US DVDs anyways, thereby making it neither "original" nor "targeted at a Japanese audience". (Oh, and sorry for trying to add the Juuden-chan music video. Guess I should've read this thread first. >_>) |
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| @Tyblazitar: Please post here, we'd like to keep this thread concentrated on completed removals/merges and not future ones. (With the obvious exception of the first few pages :) Denied: Drawn to Japan - A manga adventure (7618): American animation. Katsudô Shashin (7620): Not enough information. Project Alarm (7815): Korean Doujin. Transformers: Robot Masters (7676): Not enough information. |
kuroshiroiJan 7, 2010 6:18 PM
| Didn't read through all pages, but I was wondering what the actual reason is that anything specifically meant for outside Japan is disqualified, although I don't know any of the shows discussed here, this purely sounds as anime purism... which I would say is a bad thing. I agree that most likely anything intended for the american market won't be really good, but for that to be the reason to suddenly drop it from here... I just mean, after all even Sponge Bob is an anime in the real sense of the word. Let me put it this way, if you want to draw a line this is definitely the easiest one (or should I say laziest), however I would still argue that shows like avatar do actually deserve the title of anime for the following reasons: * [GRAPHICS] If you would let me compile a list of screenshots of 10 different shows and you would run a survey between people which they think are anime I do undoubtly think that most will select avatar as anime. * [INSPIRATION] The main inspiration for avatar was based on anime's only (the team even had to watch through various series obligatory I believe) * [STORY] All elements are extremely typical for anime's * [STYLE] The whole series is set in an eastern style (look at the characters for example) I just mentioned avatar as an example where - if you are honest with yourself - something outside the Japan is actually an anime, just like once in a few years a dub is produced which is better than a sub. Personally I don't really care about this whole thing (and I will without doubt forget to check this thread for replies), but I just hate purism for the sake for purism... :/ Purism is only fine if you have good reasoning behind it (e.g. Dubs tend to have a lower budget than the original, thus in general they are not worth checking out), but such a reason seems to be missing here... (Note to myself... I shouldn't write these essay like posts...) |
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| GreatS You really should read the posts and save other people from replying the same thing all over again. The subject is beginning to sound repetitively retarded. Read the new guidelines and its other linked threads. Read the FAQ about Avatar. Read. Note to yourself : Don't post anything until you've read relevant threads. |
TsukikageRanJan 9, 2010 7:40 PM
| Denied: Chainsaw Maid (7642): Independent anime that hasn't been sold commercially and the author hasn't won any significant awards. Nobara (7684): Not enough information. I believe it's an independent anime that hasn't been sold commercially. Gankutsuou 00 (7727): Promo that uses animation from the show. Hanamura Kindergarden (7853): Duplicate of http://myanimelist.net/anime/6574/Hanamaru_Youchien. Kowarekake no Orgol (7847): Duplicate from the queue. Fight Ippatsu! Juuden-chan!! Anti-piracy promos (7834): Duplicate in the queue. Fumiko no Kokuhaku (7854): Independent anime. Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood Comedy Sketches (7846): Not enough information. |
kuroshiroiJan 11, 2010 2:16 PM
| Denied: Kowarekake no Orgol (7848): Independent anime without enough merit. Kochira Katsushikaku Kameari Kouenmae Hashutsujo The Movie (7859): Duplicate of http://myanimelist.net/anime/2901/Kochira_Katsushikaku_Kameari_Kouenmae_Hashutsujo_The_Movie/ Merged/denied: Hagane No Renkinjutsushi (2009): Simple People (7860) Fullmetal Alchemist: Simple People (7863) This episode is included in http://myanimelist.net/anime/6421/Fullmetal_Alchemist:_Brotherhood_Specials/ as episode 2. |
kuroshiroiJan 12, 2010 10:07 AM
| Removed: Nike iD REALCITY - advertisement not of decent length and/or substantial plot Honda Edix - advertisement not of decent length and/or substantial plot Merged: Death Note Rewrite 2: L wo Tsugu Mono into Death Note Rewrite |
KinetaJan 13, 2010 11:19 PM
| Denied: The 9-Lives (7871): Not enough information. Ray-The Animation (7879): Duplicate of http://myanimelist.net/anime/919/RAY_The_Animation Kowarekake no Orgol (7880) & (7883) & (7886): Doujin anime. Momoko, Kaeru no Uta ga Kikoeru yo (7881): Duplicate in the queue, the approved entry is http://myanimelist.net/anime.php?id=7877 Shijou Saikyou no Deshi Kenichi (7884): Duplicate of http://myanimelist.net/anime/1559/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/ Fumiko no Kokuhaku (7885): Doujin/independent anime. origins:spirits of the past (7887): Duplicate of http://myanimelist.net/anime/1140/Giniro_no_Kami_no_Agito Sweet Punch 3 : Comedy (7888): Included here, http://myanimelist.net/anime/1072/Sweat_Punch The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya (7889): Duplicate of either http://myanimelist.net/anime/7311/The_Vanishment_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya/ or http://myanimelist.net/anime/4382/The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_(2009) . The entry had the info for the episodes but the name of the movie. The Prince of Tennis (7890) & (7891): Duplicate of http://myanimelist.net/anime/22/Prince_of_Tennis x/1999 (7892) & (7893) & (7894): Duplicate of http://myanimelist.net/anime/155/X/1999/ or http://myanimelist.net/anime/156/X/ ? x/clamp (7895): Duplicate of http://myanimelist.net/anime/156/X/ ? |
kuroshiroiJan 15, 2010 7:51 AM
| Removed: LaMB - produced in Singapore by a Singaporean company LaMB Redux - produced in Singapore by a Singaporean company |
| Fumiko no Kokuhaku (7896): Yup, still doujin. Kowarekake no Orgel (7898): This too. Origins: Spirits of the Past (7899): http://myanimelist.net/anime/1140/Giniro_no_Kami_no_Agito |
kuroshiroiJan 15, 2010 5:54 PM
| Fumiko no Kokuhaku is an ONA and doujin but it did win the YouTube award recently. That still doesn't count? Just wondering... |
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