Blue Lock
Syzler said: Pre_Yum said: It's almost as if I already mentioned something like this in my original reply but I guess people don't know how to read. Its almost as if you wouldnt even have to call the premise dumb in the first place if you could have thought of a logical explanation in the exact same post hmm Get off my dick bro... Why are you salty to begin with? Who hurt you? |
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| i don't think its bad to have a great striker in the team who is flawless and this project aims at bringing a great striker (i forgot a team or a solo striker) so its viable |
Hashiriya_weeb87 said: Im just saying its not just "some say", everyone knows Italy and Spain were robbed, hell even the game against Germany was controversial, they just were much better.DinoPapiro said: some say?? brother it was the biggest robbery ever, there is a reason why that guy isnt a referee anymore Well look dude I agree but it was 2002 lol like hell South Korea also robbed Spain in the quarterfinals lol not just Italy I remember I was a kid I agree with what you said, i was just pointing that out |
| Its fiction dont take it seriously, but this anime is banger. Still Harry Maguire the goat best player ever |
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vinowo22 said: And CR7 proves this to be wrong as well because he single handedly carried Portugal to the 2014 World CupIf having the best striker in the world gave a country the chance of winning the world cup then why while having haaland, Norway couldn't even classify in a group with turkey. Good teams have a balance between team work and individual skill, try good names without team work and you get a team like PSG. People who know about football, what do you think? You're not wrong in saying how its a team sport yada yada, but please don't disregard just how much of an influence and impact that certain players like a Cristiano Ronaldo/Haaland/Messi/Salah/Benzema/Lewandowski/Mbappe can have on a team. THAT'S the point of Blue Lock, Japan doesn't have a man that can take over a game and carry/lead his team to victory like what these guys do for their countries and clubs |
Tokoya said: vinowo22 said: And CR7 proves this to be wrong as well because he single handedly carried Portugal to the 2014 World CupIf having the best striker in the world gave a country the chance of winning the world cup then why while having haaland, Norway couldn't even classify in a group with turkey. Good teams have a balance between team work and individual skill, try good names without team work and you get a team like PSG. People who know about football, what do you think? You're not wrong in saying how its a team sport yada yada, but please don't disregard just how much of an influence and impact that certain players like a Cristiano Ronaldo/Haaland/Messi/Salah/Benzema/Lewandowski/Mbappe can have on a team. THAT'S the point of Blue Lock, Japan doesn't have a man that can take over a game and carry/lead his team to victory like what these guys do for their countries and clubs The thing is while having a man that can take over games is key, that's solely not going to come close to international success. There's a reason why Messi and Ronaldo despite being huge for their country and having great individual performances and success internationally, neither have won the WC yet and Messi only won his first international team trophy last year with the Copa America. You need a great striker but without a great midfield, great defense and a great goalkeeper, and even a great manager and system. With even one of those missing, odds off winning trophies like the WC ain't super high (especially in these times). Maybe just some solid, deeper runs but not past the finish line. Japan wouldn't have enough with just a new elite striker created through this project to accomplish dreams there. |
MangagnaM said: Except for South America and Europe, both the Copa America and the Euros are both seen as huge international tournaments that are comparable to the World Cup, and both of them has successfully carried their teams to being able to win them, so idk what your point is here? Its the same way club wise too with not only La Liga, Premier League, Serie A etc, but also numerous times with the World Cup of Club Football - The UEFA Champions LeagueTokoya said: And CR7 proves this to be wrong as well because he single handedly carried Portugal to the 2014 World Cup You're not wrong in saying how its a team sport yada yada, but please don't disregard just how much of an influence and impact that certain players like a Cristiano Ronaldo/Haaland/Messi/Salah/Benzema/Lewandowski/Mbappe can have on a team. THAT'S the point of Blue Lock, Japan doesn't have a man that can take over a game and carry/lead his team to victory like what these guys do for their countries and clubs The thing is while having a man that can take over games is key, that's solely not going to come close to international success. There's a reason why Messi and Ronaldo despite being huge for their country and having great individual performances and success internationally, neither have won the WC yet and Messi only won his first international team trophy last year with the Copa America. You need a great striker but without a great midfield, great defense and a great goalkeeper, and even a great manager and system. With even one of those missing, odds off winning trophies like the WC ain't super high (especially in these times). Maybe just some solid, deeper runs but not past the finish line. Japan wouldn't have enough with just a new elite striker created through this project to accomplish dreams there. Like I said, before, I'm not denying how important the other positions on the pitch are, all I'm saying is that the Forwards are equally as important as well and yet some of you guys are trying so hard to undermine that fact for the sake of the other positions lol |
| Not sure why some of you people are arguing over how 'flawed' the anime logic is - makes me wonder if you even watched the entire episode 1. 1) It's an anime, a work of fiction 2) It was mentioned multiple times that only 1 out of the 300 who survives the 'battle royale' will move on to the World Cup - i.e. they likely already have a National Team waiting for the best striker to join them |
windborn said: the only one who got the point here.Not sure why some of you people are arguing over how 'flawed' the anime logic is - makes me wonder if you even watched the entire episode 1. 1) It's an anime, a work of fiction 2) It was mentioned multiple times that only 1 out of the 300 who survives the 'battle royale' will move on to the World Cup - i.e. they likely already have a National Team waiting for the best striker to join them |
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vinowo22 said: Tbh it is definitely different. Like you're relying on teams that would not sniff the world cup without their superstar striker as evidence. In the universe of Blue Lock, Japan is a team that has made the top 16 and has been described to have many great components while lacking a striker. In this case, adding a player who's the best in the world would definitely give them a fair shot at winning. We also just got introduced to Sae Itoshi in ep 2 who apparently is a generational midfielder that's Japanese and I'm guessing would want to join the national team if they had a superstar striker he could pass to. The circumstances here are much different than real world Egypt/Norway.MadanielFL said: Pretty sure Salah carried Egypt on his own to the world cup in 2018. It's a proof that sometimes one superstar player is enough to change a whole team, even if obviously they would never win the world cup. Plus Norway is in Europe while Japan is in Asia, it's different levels of competition. 1. Yes, only to end up last with 0 points, couldn't even win against saudi arabia and they were like REALLY bad already 2. That further proves my point that the blue lock concept is flawed because winning the world cup is literally the point of the project, they literally said it like 20 times just this episode 3. You got a point but if Norway couldn't beat turkey in points despite them being no better than a decent team then they never had a chance of even getting too far in the world cup |
k0rvus said: Yeah, the Blue Lock project might not work for every country, but for a country like Japan who is already decent, they could actually win something.vinowo22 said: Tbh it is definitely different. Like you're relying on teams that would not sniff the world cup without their superstar striker as evidence. In the universe of Blue Lock, Japan is a team that has made the top 16 and has been described to have many great components while lacking a striker. In this case, adding a player who's the best in the world would definitely give them a fair shot at winning. We also just got introduced to Sae Itoshi in ep 2 who apparently is a generational midfielder that's Japanese and I'm guessing would want to join the national team if they had a superstar striker he could pass to. The circumstances here are much different than real world Egypt/Norway.1. Yes, only to end up last with 0 points, couldn't even win against saudi arabia and they were like REALLY bad already 2. That further proves my point that the blue lock concept is flawed because winning the world cup is literally the point of the project, they literally said it like 20 times just this episode 3. You got a point but if Norway couldn't beat turkey in points despite them being no better than a decent team then they never had a chance of even getting too far in the world cup After all the World Cup is not always won by the "best of the best", specially in 2018 when Croatia made the final (they were good but definitely not the second best team in that world cup) |
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| Advocating for egoism in a team sport is stupid anyways lmao. |
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MadanielFL said: k0rvus said: Yeah, the Blue Lock project might not work for every country, but for a country like Japan who is already decent, they could actually win something.Tbh it is definitely different. Like you're relying on teams that would not sniff the world cup without their superstar striker as evidence. In the universe of Blue Lock, Japan is a team that has made the top 16 and has been described to have many great components while lacking a striker. In this case, adding a player who's the best in the world would definitely give them a fair shot at winning. We also just got introduced to Sae Itoshi in ep 2 who apparently is a generational midfielder that's Japanese and I'm guessing would want to join the national team if they had a superstar striker he could pass to. The circumstances here are much different than real world Egypt/Norway. After all the World Cup is not always won by the "best of the best", specially in 2018 when Croatia made the final (they were good but definitely not the second best team in that world cup) Exactly right. Croatia, again while not a bad team, just happened to have a very very lucky draw, both in the group and knockout stages. They didn’t go up against a “big team” until the finals. They fought valiantly, but everyone could tell that the real world cup final was the semis between Belgium and France. Same for England in the 2020 Euros. No way were they the 2nd best team in Europe. They just got a lucky draw. Sure you could point to Germany, but this was the same Germany that didn’t even make it past the knockout stages of the world cup 2 years before. Could a Japanese national team with a super star striker eke out a win under similar circumstances? Of course. But that’s never happened before, at least when it comes to the world cup where the “best” team, or at least one of the better ones, pretty much always ends up winning in the end. |
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| I mean yeah, it's obvious that anyone who knows anything about football is well aware how flawed the premise is. I remember thinking the same and getting annoyed when I was reading the manga. But then I reminded myself that it's just a unique and entertaining take on a soccer battle royale of sorts. If you want 'real' football in your anime/manga then go read Ao Ashi, Be Blues or Giant Killing. Enjoy Blue Lock for what it is. |
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| I mean, who said that kinda project would ever work? How can one single person in a 11 man sport ever be enough to fully carry a team into a world cup trophy?. I don't think it's even debatable. Every great player has had great players on his team. Messi had xavi and iniesta, not to mention puyol. Ronaldo had modric and kroos. It's always been like that. One striker is not enough. |
| Yes very true, let's just see how the story will develop... |
| Don't forget that this is fiction. I really doubt that this project can be productive in real life. |
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| This is why i dropped the manga a few years ago, the logic in this manga is way too flawed for my tiny brain to consume. The fact that i watch football everyday is just like adding fuel to the fire. |
| Hey you, yes you! Interested to be a decent human being? Then go outside and get a fucking life. |
| Agreed. It is flawed. It is good entertainment but doesn't make sense. |
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| Japan's national team isn't as weak as Normay's, them having a player like Halaand would definetly get them better results, wouldn't win them a world cup though. |
actually ego never say abandon to team play but they cut some line in episode 1 where ego speech. kinda confused that they cut this line. make some people misunderstanding about the concept. |
nototakuorweeb said: In theory the guy in the show isn't technically wrong. His idea is that the team that scores more goals wins, which is correct. So the purpose is to mould the perfect striker who doesn't have to rely on anyone. Likely one that can do everything themselves, that can dibble past anyone, that can score from anywhere. If a team were to have someone like that, then it's impossible to lose because that team will always score more than their opponents and negates the need for anyone else on that team. The only reason why that doesn't work in the real world (cause OBVIOUSLY not all anime are realistic) is because there is no human that would ever be able to do that. Haaland may be able to score goals, but as his manager Pep said, he needs his teammates. If he could carry the ball all the way from defence and dribble past everyone to score, there would be no debate as to whether his team would win every match. But the thing is that we are humans. No one will ever be fit enough to last a full match whilst carrying the team on their own. No one will ever be technical enough to beat anyone they come up against. No one will ever be clinical enough to score majority of their chances. The idea is unrealistic, but is in a sense true. It is a team sport because no one can do it themselves. But in theory, all it takes is one person who can keep scoring more than the opponent. tldr; anime unrealistic but works in theory It can be real also in life. |
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