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| I am so fcking lost Gege pls |
| So embarrased with Tensura fans and the fandom, how have we degraded |
| I didn't understand a thing but that was cool, good job Hakari. |
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| Again these big brain chapters like those HxH ones making their overdue presence, and again i feel hopeless. hamifihekrix said: Thanks for atleast putting those things into words.hakari's domain forcibly plays out "scenes" that have a certain hype level, and rolls a roulette to determine how that scene will play out. when a jackpot is rolled, hakari's power is increased (?) and the more hype the scene was when it got that jackpot affects how much stronger hakari becomes (?) |
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| "Don't transmit utter crap like that into my mind." Charles...I feel you. I need to reread the chapter. |
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| Huh, no one understands this chapter? Ouch me, I thought it wasn't a gone too far concept but it's pretty cool when it's demonstrated and gives me a Hunter x Hunter flashback with 4th prince's nen ability explanation lolol but really though, reading the "Pure Love Train" or Hakari's Domain explanation while seeing how Hakari demonstrates his Domain only took a while to quite get an understanding, maybe I've been reading a lot of romance shoujo type of mangas so it was something I could really grasp since Hakari's Domain kind of involves some Romance Manga Concept + An Arcade Japanese Game called Pachinko (search it up on youtube or the internet because I think this game is quite fitting to Hakari's Domain explanation) but I may be wrong! So from what I can see Hakari can control the ball and the effect of the Domain is determined by how well Hakari does the Pachinko Game which is like the general setup of his Domain demonstration I think so it's like a luck-based game. Then when Hakari burst up the ball, random characters are on the setup in Hakari's Domain to play out the "drama scenario" or a "typical romance" way to say it's showing like a scene between the two people, Yume and Yuuki in the train station I guess in one of the case, like seeing one of them wanting to initiate something to form bonds between the two of them without one of them rejected to what the other person wants to imply, and Hakari shows his attack depends on whether that "drama scenario" between Yume and Yuuki is successful in order to get some advancement to win the match, and if he didn't succeed then they go back to the "regular stage" and the match continues until it reaches a perfect streak but then again there are more ways to expand Hakari's Domain explanation and this is what I got so far but still this chapter hasn't really demonstrated Hakari's Domain effect since it hasn't been activated entirely(?) in my own eye so don't need to understand this Domain entirely lol. |
CQLLISTMay 6, 2022 12:01 PM
| Okay so, the basic gist is that Hakari plays a preview and based on the preview, hype levels are decided. Based on that, a scenario plays out. The more the hype level, the more the chance of the scenario succeeding.If the scenario succeeds, Hakari gets a boost. I may be wrong. I still need to understand it properly. |
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| So in short.... Jackpot= Charles is fucked Reach = Depends about it, but it shouldn't be a Jackpot Nothing matches= Somewhat Ok Main objective? Don't let Hakari get a Jackpot anymore Damn, what was Gege smoking |
| I'm just hella confused. This chapter was too much for me |
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| so it's pachinko where he is the strongest when he hit the jackpot. but the explanation and visualization still ass |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| I don't think I'll ever understand this chapter. Can't help but hope that the fight is irrelevant for the future.... |
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me after reading the chapter  |
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| Someone take Gintoki away, this pachinko stuff is for adults. Well, it's a pretty complicated technique but it's understandable. Ball, drama play, hype train and a jackpot. |
   “You yourself have to change first, or nothing will change for you!” ' |
| you have to know the rules of Pachinko Machine to understand this Domain Expansion right? damn guess i have to rely on the anime adaptation to understand it more complex or difficult to understand stuff like this is why i did not score this manga more higher |
nakkki said: Imagine not loving Gege and his unconventionality in his power system that forces you to really research or think.. Couldn't be me if your story requires your readers to do research or have PHD degrees then lol you fail as an entertainer or your story is not meant for mainstream entertainment |
Sanjii_1234 said: deg said: and If you can't just search a bit to understand things properly and call it complex and thus don't like it .(JoJo,HxH,jjk)if your story requires your readers to do research or have PHD degrees then lol you fail as an entertainer or your story is not meant for mainstream entertainment You fail as a manga enjoyer. This stuff is out of your reach. Returning to mainstream linear Animes is best. look if an author cannot properly explain things then thats his problem not the readers your author expects his readers to be as smart as him huh |
Sanjii_1234 said: deg said: alook if an author cannot properly explain things then thats his problem not the readers your author expects his readers to be as smart as him huh So you want him to explain whole pachinko machine lmao Then you will be the first to say if author can't shorten his explanation he is a faliure So akagi and kaiji's authors are faliures Well you are the only one that think so(both are better than your mainstream Animes and I can bet on it) It's easy to understand that if you know pachinko machine this technique is not so hard It's even simple And the reason for this technique is that it have a very good application on fights. But shonen fans want the same simple childish shit again and again.*sigh* yes introducing the concept of Pachinko Machine that is known in Japan only to an International Audience that knows nothing about it is such a smart decision |
Sanjii_1234 said: deg said: your not googling it and calling author a faliure (basically of every shonen manga that takes this route) is smarter decision right???yes introducing the concept of Pachinko Machine that is known in Japan only to an International Audience that knows nothing about it is such a smart decision If you can't understand blame your brain cells that Even can't Google somehthing instead of calling every author that take this route, out of your brain's reach, a failure. again you expect fans to do their own research instead of properly explain things by the story itself a story should be standalone or on its own should explain good enough the stuff the author wants to say to its audience sure i can google it later but that is not how good storytelling is |
Sanjii_1234 said: deg said: good storytelling??again you expect fans to do their own research instead of properly explain things by the story itself a story should be standalone or on its own should explain good enough the stuff the author wants to say to its audience sure i can google it later but that is not how good storytelling is Because it doesn't suit you, it's not storytelling??? Are you a kid?? Research??? Bruh just basic knowledge about pachinko is not research lol There are instances when we Google philosophical elements Like I googled somehthing in berserk about certain philosophy It made me appreciate more rather than calling him faliure But I ain't Googled anything in demon slayer because mangaka didn't put anything and was straight So then Demon slayer has better storyline than berserk according to you?? PATHETIC. anime and manga is entertainment first before being big brain i see you want to feel like having a big brain then see you since im a simple man and one of the mainstream fans so bye elitist |
Sanjii_1234 said: deg said: ran out of reasons?? pretty fast!!anime and manga is entertainment first before being big brain i see you want to feel like having a big brain then see you since im a simple man and one of the mainstream fans so bye elitist Than be a simple subjective man and don't call somehthing "bad storyline" and "faliure" without good points If this technique was complex just for the sake of being complex I would have agreed with you But it fills all the small details provided to us in between and is really a very intersting technique in battles. *Sigh* I don't wanna say But mainstream fans really think anybody who don't consider mainstream Animes to be better than these big brain Animes is ETLIST. no really just look at your favorites lol youre not self aware you want to feel like having big brain when consuming fiction sure thought provoking fiction is entertaining too but a Pachinko Machine is not that thought provoking as the philosophical ideas of real thought provoking manga and anime and you fail to read what i said i said it fails as a mainstream media or him failing to convey what he wants to a greater audience or mainstream audience, because clearly it did not fail to big brain elitist like you |
Sanjii_1234 said: deg said: my favourites??no really just look at your favorites lol youre not self aware you want to feel like having big brain when consuming fiction sure thought provoking fiction is entertaining too but a Pachinko Machine is not that thought provoking as the philosophical ideas of real thought provoking manga and anime and you fail to read what i said i said it fails as a mainstream media or him failing to convey what he wants to a greater audience or mainstream audience, because clearly it did not fail to big brain elitist like you I don't see how having death note, psycho pass and monster makes me etlist?? I also have gintama, yugami kun tomodachi inai wa. Bro please get some help Nowdays it's a good way to turn off topic by calling someone etlist but you are showing yourself as a clown in this case. We can have discussion without these terms imo right?? Firstly what do you expect from a Gambler's technique Secondly it's not for the first time. Stein's gate did it and it's storyline is also better than a large amount of mainstream Animes "Not Good storyline" "Failed as an entertainer" Nope I read everything correctly. youre in denial if you think you do not like big brain shows that elitist wants more how about you? why dont you explain this Pachinko rules better than your favorite author or manga right now, do it for of us small brains here so we can understand it and appreciate it better like you want to happen |
Sanjii_1234 said: deg said: youre in denial if you think you do not like big brain shows that elitist wants more how about you? why dont you explain this Pachinko rules better than your favorite author or manga right now, do it for of us small brains here so we can understand it and appreciate it better like you want to happen Us??small brains are not the ones who can't understand something They are the one who can't accept somehthing That's only you in this thread brother Well another good way to change the topic instead of accepting you are wrong. Let me be blunt with you Mangas are never directed towards westerners (exceptions exist) From the top rated manga (berserk) to the most popular manga in recent years(demon slayer)they are mainly for japanese From what I know, pachinko is pretty famous in Japan. So your"failed as an entertainer" comment was just utter nonsense. Also considering the above case and since technique is not just complex for being complex and is really a thought out and well written one , I don't see how just grasping basic details about pachinko is pain in your ass. Oh you should do this yourself. Believe me you will appreciate this more I ain't saying it is best, obviously it could be written Better but atleast after understanding about pachinko yourself you will appreciate this technique and gege more just like how understanding philosophical elements work. The rest depends on you But if you aren't a big brain like me,as you are saying, then don't comment somehthing as solid fact without good points. Also Try not to get offended by an etlist like me lol im still waiting for you to explain the Pachinko stuff and rules better than your manga did |
Sanjii_1234 said: deg said: nahhim still waiting for you to explain the Pachinko stuff and rules better than your manga did Manga did better, you just need to understand pachinko And I am still waiting for you to search the basis details of pachinko yourself or drop this manga. lol then you do not fully understand or youre lying if you claim you understand this chapter then |
| that was sick as hell. how does gege come up with these ideas and still make them work, even logically. though i have to admit.... it was kinda hard understanding hakari's domaine at first LOL im just gonna use the excuse that i dont gamble and that's why i didnt understand 😊😊 last bit thooo god damnit yume you let a poor wannabe mangaka who's a fan of you lose like that. the character introductions on the first page was also rly funny, love how the actual main leads "dont have anything worth mentioning" lol |
Sanjii_1234 said: deg said: bro I know you are in avatar and this platform hides your real identity.lol then you do not fully understand or youre lying if you claim you understand this chapter then But at last this is a platform. You are just endlessly trying to change the topic rather than accepting that you were wrong by trying to make me look like a clown. You can interpret this as you want. But I won't mind explaining this. I don't want this discussion to go the way that you say atlast "see you are a Big brain" Also I proved your points wrong If you have nothing better than these Bait type comments Then we can stop. what are you on about i just ask you to explain the Pachinko stuff better than the manga to prove that this is a good story like you claim it is |
Sanjii_1234 said: deg said: this comment really prove you are a kidwhat are you on about i just ask you to explain the Pachinko stuff better than the manga to prove that this is a good story like you claim it is Firstly I ain't gonna explain this Until you don't know about pachinko details yourself You can't understand this Good story?? I don't think that even if I explain pachinko ,this will prove that it is a good story The manga already proved that it's good than other mainstream stuff from recent years wether the most popular or the highest rated. But if you don't consider it good then why you are reading it in first place Oh "it's not at my brain's level , so it's not good" If etlists are shit, I don't know how complete opposite of etlists are any good Both are equally shit. i want you to prove to me how well you understand this chapter so that i at least can appreciate it like you did how hard is that to understand dude your missing the point entirely and i even made it clear many times now because im one of the people that will say its a bad story if not understandable by many people |
Sanjii_1234 said: deg said: but how can you appreciate from my wordsi want you to prove to me how well you understand this chapter so that i at least can appreciate it like you did how hard is that to understand dude your missing the point entirely and i even made it clear many times now because im one of the people that will say its a bad story if not understandable by many people Again yes Avatar hides your real identity but it doesn't give you permit to pretend If you really wanna appreciate it then try understanding yourself You know what is even meaning of appreciation?? But you don't seem to be the one that wanna appreciate this aspect of manga You are one of those people who wanna cling to the saying"it wasn't good , because it was so complex" because you can't accept reality that it's good Ah I assume "it is what it is" for people like you lol only critics especially paid critics do stuff like youre saying and critics are out of touch from the mainstream audience most of the time so nah you do not make any good points to me at all Critics be like its just 2deep4u so a lot of people cannot appreciate it youre just proving more that you did not fully understand this chapter too |
| This made me laugh way harder than it should of lmao But I feel the exact same... |
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deg said: yes introducing the concept of Pachinko Machine that is known in Japan only to an International Audience that knows nothing about it is such a smart decision A manga is written for the Japanese audience. The author doesn't have to cater to the international audience. deg said: again you expect fans to do their own research instead of properly explain things by the story itself sure i can google it later but that is not how good storytelling is It has nothing to do with storytelling. The Japanese people are well aware of how a Pachinko machine works. The manga is written for them. There's no need to explain how that works. If you think the author needs to explain everything in a story for it to be "good writing", then why didn't you complain when the author didn't explain what a table is? What a chair is? What a job is? What gambling is? The author should have explained it, right? Expecting the fans to know it is "bad storytelling", right? deg said: a story should be standalone or on its own should explain good enough the stuff the author wants to say to its audience It does. The audience = Japanese people and they understood it well enough. |
troilus_05sMay 6, 2022 11:11 PM
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troilus_05s said: deg said: yes introducing the concept of Pachinko Machine that is known in Japan only to an International Audience that knows nothing about it is such a smart decision A manga is written for the Japanese audience. The author doesn't have to cater to the international audience. deg said: again you expect fans to do their own research instead of properly explain things by the story itself a story should be standalone or on its own should explain good enough the stuff the author wants to say to its audience sure i can google it later but that is not how good storytelling is It has nothing to do with storytelling. The Japanese people are well aware of how a Pachinko machine works. The manga is written for them. There's no need to explain how that works. If you think the author needs to explain everything in a story for it to be "good writing", then why didn't you complain when the author didn't explain what a table is? What a chair is? What a job is? The author should have explained it, right? Expecting the fans to know it is "bad storytelling", right? that is such an old fashion way of thinking that anime and manga is for japanese audience only when international profit makes up a significant portion of the total profit of anime and manga now a days plus obvious things like a chair should not be explained obviously lol at least on how boring to read the enormous explanations and dialogues of Hunter x Hunter it did not require its readers to google things like Pachinko Machine rules, all the needed rules and explanations are written by Togashi himself |
deg said: that is such an old fashion way of thinking that anime and manga is for japanese audience only when international profit makes up a significant portion of the total profit of anime and manga now a days It is what the truth is. Manga is geared towards the Japanese audience. That's why it has Japanese references too that the international audience regularly miss. Takaba's jokes are also Japanese puns. JJK uses a lot of references from Japanese history. Also, you don't even need to know all the rules of Pachinko. It isn't even difficult to understand. deg said: plus obvious things like a chair should not be explained obviously lol And for the Japanese audience, explaining something as obvious as 'what Pachinko is' is futile. They already know it. |
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| Yea I had no clue what was going on this chapter but some people's basic summaries in this thread kind of made it make a little more sense lol. Still, it was enjoyable and this was definitely one of the more unique fights I've seen in an action shounen. EDIT: After reading the chapter a 2nd time via the official translation, it was actually a lot easier to understand lol. |
thebrentinator24May 8, 2022 8:25 AM
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
troilus_05s said: deg said: that is such an old fashion way of thinking that anime and manga is for japanese audience only when international profit makes up a significant portion of the total profit of anime and manga now a days It is what the truth is. Manga is geared towards the Japanese audience. That's why it has Japanese references too that the international audience regularly miss. Takaba's jokes are also Japanese puns. JJK uses a lot of references from Japanese history. Also, you don't even need to know all the rules of Pachinko. It isn't even difficult to understand. deg said: plus obvious things like a chair should not be explained obviously lol And for the Japanese audience, explaining something as obvious as 'what Pachinko is' is futile. They already know it. its for the japanese audience first then more reason for me to not high up the score of this and im fine with just seeing the rule of cool of Sukuna and Todo for example in other words you hardcore fans cannot expect someone like me to fully appreciate this manga |
deg said: troilus_05s said: It is what the truth is. Manga is geared towards the Japanese audience. That's why it has Japanese references too that the international audience regularly miss. Takaba's jokes are also Japanese puns. JJK uses a lot of references from Japanese history. Also, you don't even need to know all the rules of Pachinko. It isn't even difficult to understand. And for the Japanese audience, explaining something as obvious as 'what Pachinko is' is futile. They already know it. its for the japanese audience first then more reason for me to not high up the score of this and im fine with just seeing the rule of cool of Sukuna and Todo for example in other words you hardcore fans cannot expect someone like me to fully appreciate this manga I never said you need to praise it. If you don't like something, you don't like it. But you can't call it bad writing because it is you who is reading something that isn't geared towards you. So you need to make an effort to understand the references, etc if you want to enjoy it. If you don't want to, then fine. But as I mentioned before, it isn't bad writing. |
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