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| Okay I was already not being a fan of how all the characters were being salvageable but what they did with Miranjo is just ridiculous. The idea of atoning for her sins by doing good instead of just dying isn't a bad idea in itself but Daida wanting to marry her is stupid. "You helped me grow".... A boner, maybe. She was the one who killed Bojji's mother, almost killed Bojji, almost killed Hilling, manipulated you and used you all this time, among other terrible shit, wtf Daida. I'm sorry but her horrible past doesn't exonerate her from all of this, I understand the message the show wants to give but I feel there are better ways to do it. That's it with the demon? Damn, Miranjo really was saved over Ouken :/ At least Hilling's scene with his sons was great. Looks like we'll finally know what's beyond the ranking of kings, I'm worried about Desha though. |
| strangest plot development honestly, daida be like "hell yeah that girl, i'll take her" |
| Well, I'm definitely never going to get used to how simple problem solving feels in this anime, especially here, but better not keep repeating what we all already thought. Daida doesn't waste time, he just recovers her body and already wants to be queen, but hey, it's a medieval world so he falls into the normal (although Miranjo is even older in his mind). One more episode, it will be interesting to see how much more we will discover about the Ranking of kings, position 1, the gods and what will become of Boji in the world if he will not be king |
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| i feel like they rly could've done miranjo's character better. they pushed the "she wasn't really a monster, she was Made into one" agenda on her and i wasn't buying it but whatever idrc. BUT THENNN everyone just starts forgiving her bc ?????#!#!$? that was so not needed and just so. Dumb. she killed, and ruined tons of innocent lives but it was all forgiven, because !!! shes also suffered beforeπ€ͺπ€ͺ they could've made her not forgiven (yet?) and she tries to atone for her sins. for a long time. until they naturally start to forgive her, if they even decide to at least. not just "omg poor baby girl u were also a sweet innocent child but people wronged you :(" n they magically forgives her the marriage thing just made me laugh HARD. like ???? did this pointy nosed blonde man forget that she almost killed his mom, his very own kingdom and basically replaced him in his own body with his dad? didnt even kill him, just made his soul get stuck in the dark. kid her was with you the whole time? if it weren't for her you wouldn't even need to he there dumbfuckππ whattt was that oh my god. they really didnt need to do that to redeem him, it was alr going pretty well seeing how he was after meeting the "real" miranjo, instead of "mirror" the only character i like is prob desher lol. solely bc he didnt suddenly go flimsy for miranjo bc of what she did and despite what she went through |
| I honestly hate how they all suddenly forgave Miranjo. She is a killer who murdered Bojji's mom in the most gruesome way not to mention the trauma that he had to endure at such an early age. That scene is still stuck in my mind with his mother pleading for her to not kill her child, but she didn't give a sht about it. As well as attempting to murder almost everyone in the kingdom for her own gain. Like I get that she had a sad past but it doesn't justify any of her actions.... |
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| poor episode no one seems to be evil in this anime even the devil himself |
| well shit There was a point where I genuinely considered this could have been one of my favourite anime ever and tbh I do still believe the first 5-6 episodes are the best start I've ever seen to an anime series but the way things were resolved was horrible. Genuinely heartbreaking that the series ended up at this destination but there are still some big takeaways in that Bojji and Kage are phenomenal characters ^^ Overall this has still been one of the most enjoyable experiences I've had involving a weekly seasonal anime and I'm still hyped for the final episode next week so I'm sure I'll still give it a decent score. Hope we get to see what's in that vault!! |
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| What simping does to a mfer. |
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Shinuki_n_Reborn said: This is a fantasy series set in medieval times No, it's not it's a fantasy based setting with female knights, witches and devils. If it was the actual middle ages this bitch would be hanging from the gallows, not made the next queen. Why people keep repeating this like we were watching some historical fiction until now lmao |
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| this might be an "unpopular" opinion but I feel the reason daida married miranjo was not out of love like we see it, but as a way to protect her and give her a second chance like bosse asked him to there are so many ways to love, so it's not necessary the love we're used to, I think daida just wanted to give miranjo a chance to become human again |
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| This was perhaps the most obnoxious storywriting choice I've ever seen so far from this series. The way Miranjo was not only conveniently forgiven but also given a very weird marriage proposal by someone whom she manipulated from the very beginning was just pathetic. None of that shit adds up. No good established dynamics or development beforehand. No means of properly justifying her sins whatsoever. Just an easy copout. Also, wtf was the point of bringing Bosse back to life into the mix in the first place if all of his motive amounted to just that? Why go through this pointless merry go round with Miranjo to wind up being brainwashed by Boiji's pacifism? I'm at a loss for words. This is trash tier scripting at its finest. Just like Demon Slayer, this is simply "carried by animation" as I expected it to be. |
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| probably we will get a season 2 or at least a sequel looking back at today's episode ending ;D |
| what? After that fantastic last episode, this was... weird. Why are Daida and Miranjo marrying? This doesn't make any sense, so random.. gwtw99 said: this might be an "unpopular" opinion but I feel the reason daida married miranjo was not out of love like we see it, but as a way to protect her and give her a second chance like bosse asked him to there are so many ways to love, so it's not necessary the love we're used to, I think daida just wanted to give miranjo a chance to become human again This is of course possible, but I feel like if that was his true intention.. then what's the reason for Miranjo to seemingly just accept it. Maybe she could guess his intentions and therefore didn't decline it outright.. although I doubt it. |
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carhs14 said: It is true, what Miranjo did had an explanation but not a justification. One could think it was odd, at least at the beginning when it looked like literally everybody was going to forgive her, but then the captain of the underworld said she had to pay, and it makes sense that he was the only one that said that because he didn't know the full story. Now, on Bojji's perspective, he saw her entire life and empathized with Miranio, plus, he saw the conversation between his mom and Miranjo, where Bojji's mom forgives her and says that she doesn't have any resentment, now for Bojji it wouldn't make sense to punish her by letting the Demon eat her because he knew that Miranjo could be saved. On Daida's side, it was almost the same, but in this case, he could literally feel Miranjo's true soul and knew the whole story as well, I was like WTF when he asked her to be his wife but for me it makes sense that Daida decided to protect her and in that time, that is how marriages worked. And the most important part of this, the cherry on the cake came with Despa, he was going to save Ouken but then he understood Bojji's desires to save her and not just that, he knew everything about Miranjo as well, BUT he knew that somehow she had to PAY, to REDEEM herself, since she wasn't pure evil and could be saved, so he saved her under 2 conditions, first, the kingdom had to give him A LOT of money and the second and most important one, he commended a LIFE mission to her by saying: "You must teach the next generation why you committed your crimes so that no one else has to suffer as you did", for me, that was a perfect way to close this whole situation and the perfect "punishment" for Miranjo. If that last part wouldn't have happened, I would have been dissapointed but fortunately it wasn't the case. That is why I feel very satisfied with all this and it all makes sense for me. Besides, Miranjo DID show a sense of guilt and she was prepared to face the consequences, also, she did suffer/pay in that brief time when she was inside the demon. And it is not that everybody forgave her and moved on very easily, given all the facts, the elements, the events, the whole situation, this resolution was the best course of action, because again, Miranjo wasn't pure evil and could be saved, she can do way more and pay for her sins in her new life mission. Suffering endlessly inside the demon wouldn't change anything. Thank you for this, you really managed to put words on what I've been thinking since I've watched the episode. I think that was really a confusing and perhaps messy episode, but still not as bad as ppl make it to be. Like you said there was no point in Miranjo being stuck inside the demon forever. Especially if we're getting a season 2, we need her to be here to show her development. |
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Shimura27 said: Dafrek said: Miranjo was being betrayed by her own ally. It portraited very well without any word to be explained.Who was behind Miranjo's assassination by arrow when she set up Shillin? It didn't looked like an accident and it's a crucial moment of the show, I can't believe it has been left unexplained. Did I miss a scene? But who were they? And why ? I hope such a crucial moment of the plot isn't triggered by just some random act of violence. I was expecting an explanation, especially the fact that they worked with Gigantes people |
| Wow... most people here really could not have missed the message of this anime any harder if they tried. The whole thing of this anime was about forgiveness and moving on from the past. Get a clue. Most of the characters have figured this out. |
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Jamk_ said: That was a perfect chance to save Ouken or restore the strength that was taken away from Boji but saving Miranjo was ok Ouken LITEARRLY told Despa not to save him right now. And Boji doesn't even want or need his strength back. Also, I don't think it's possible to get it back, even with the devil. He can't create something out of nothing and he can't take it back from Bosse, since Bosse is dead. |
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| Desha is gonna end up like that three eyed king or the mad king. Also we have yet to see what happened to Kingbo. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| Okay am I the crazy one here or is the whole "let's forgive Miranjo and live happily ever after even though she literally murdered half of the characters in this show and tortured the other half" a bit too much... I mean, seriously? Show rating just massively plunged for me. Also can we just point out the nature of the relationship with Bosse and Miranjo borders on paedophilia and is just generally messed up (Bosse literally killed the girl's dad, then did nothing to protect her mom from death, and then is suddenly into the kid. Wtf) |
| "If you can eliminate all the other choices, the remaining choice, no matter how improbable, it is the answer."- Sherlock Holmes |
| I had the same reaction to this episode as Hilling's reaction to Daida wanting to marry miranjo.. Seriously? |
| Sigh... The music is good and I'll say the second opening is one of my most fav, the characters have quite a lot of potential to be developed, some of them have good personalities. Meanwhile, the work is completely ruined by the unrealistic utopian concept that everyone has to be forgiven and we don't account for the great sin of someone and give appropriate punishment to them. The target audience of this anime is not children, but teens and adults who have already learnt that people who committed crime deserve punishment, and sometimes you can't save bad people. A happy ending where Miranjo is completely forgiven instead of getting perished or appropriately punished is just horrible. And the marriage proposal said by Daida just makes me feel extremely confused and disgusted. When I watched the last few episodes, Bosse told Daida to take care of Miranjo. Taking care could come in many forms, from giving her a quiet nice place to live to being an appointed magician to use magic in good ways, but the author has chosen the worst form - marriage. Some episodes earlier Daida was still talking about how he wished to kill the mirror and want to meet his mother, and now we have him falling in love with a villain who attempted to kill his mother and ruin the entire nation? This makes no sense to me at all. |
Jentheworld said: Sigh... The music is good and I'll say the second opening is one of my most fav, the characters have quite a lot of potential to be developed, some of them have good personalities. Meanwhile, the work is completely ruined by the unrealistic utopian concept that everyone has to be forgiven and we don't account for the great sin of someone and give appropriate punishment to them. The target audience of this anime is not children, but teens and adults who have already learnt that people who committed crime deserve punishment, and sometimes you can't save bad people. A happy ending where Miranjo is completely forgiven instead of getting perished or appropriately punished is just horrible. And the marriage proposal said by Daida just makes me feel extremely confused and disgusted. When I watched the last few episodes, Bosse told Daida to take care of Miranjo. Taking care could come in many forms, from giving her a quiet nice place to live to being an appointed magician to use magic in good ways, but the author has chosen the worst form - marriage. Some episodes earlier Daida was still talking about how he wished to kill the mirror and want to meet his mother, and now we have him falling in love with a villain who attempted to kill his mother and ruin the entire nation? This makes no sense to me at all. Does Boji being friendly with Kage robbing him make sense? Does Kage crying for that man who abused him make sense? Does Miranjo's mother healing Bosse after he killed her husband make sense? It's probably some kind of trauma bonding or just forgiveness, depending on each case, but it seems like a recurring theme in the show. Also, nothing says that Miranjo is ok with it "She didn't say YES". Not sure everybody around is ok with it either. This show proved multiple times that each character has their own agenda and contradictions. |
Dafrek said: Jentheworld said: Sigh... The music is good and I'll say the second opening is one of my most fav, the characters have quite a lot of potential to be developed, some of them have good personalities. Meanwhile, the work is completely ruined by the unrealistic utopian concept that everyone has to be forgiven and we don't account for the great sin of someone and give appropriate punishment to them. The target audience of this anime is not children, but teens and adults who have already learnt that people who committed crime deserve punishment, and sometimes you can't save bad people. A happy ending where Miranjo is completely forgiven instead of getting perished or appropriately punished is just horrible. And the marriage proposal said by Daida just makes me feel extremely confused and disgusted. When I watched the last few episodes, Bosse told Daida to take care of Miranjo. Taking care could come in many forms, from giving her a quiet nice place to live to being an appointed magician to use magic in good ways, but the author has chosen the worst form - marriage. Some episodes earlier Daida was still talking about how he wished to kill the mirror and want to meet his mother, and now we have him falling in love with a villain who attempted to kill his mother and ruin the entire nation? This makes no sense to me at all. Does Boji being friendly with Kage robbing him make sense? Does Kage crying for that man who abused him make sense? Does Miranjo's mother healing Bosse after he killed her husband make sense? It's probably some kind of trauma bonding or just forgiveness, depending on each case, but it seems like a recurring theme in the show. Also, nothing says that Miranjo is ok with it "She didn't say YES". Not sure everybody around is ok with it either. This show proved multiple times that each character has their own agenda and contradictions. Yeah, so trauma and forgiveness are the magical elixir. With them the characters can do whatever they want. The characters have trauma and complexity, therefore they act like this accounts for their actions barely and vaguely. When I complain about Miranjo's situation, I'm not saying the other situations make sense. With this we could say many things in this anime don't make sense. I'm complaining how the show has brought out the message that you should forgive your foes unconditionally and your foes should be treated well, even if they've done something really horrible. People are depicted to forgive without much elaboration and I believe there could be better writings where many more unique conflicts between forgiving and hating exist. Maybe there could be characters who just don't want to forgive Miranjo. Maybe Miranjo could do something constructive to get more people to feel that she is sincere and really wants to be nice again. But then, suddenly Bojji's mother forgives the one who killed her, suddenly Daida forgets who locked him and wants to marry Miranjo. It is a very bad conclusion. |
| Bosses dialogue was okay, but however, the logic and the lack of stakes has been making this anime way less and less logical. Theres a lot of contradictions within the statements. Ever since episode 10 and beyond the anime was been taking a nose dive for me. Nothing feels natural anymore, like I get it, there are two sides of the story, but it has not been consistent... |
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| Queen Hiling probably didn't have time to process the situation but her soon to be daughter in law is her husband's ex and could be older than her. |
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4r1a said: Marinate1016 said: Yea idc what the excuse is, fuck miranjo and it makes no sense why Daida would marry her. He’s at most like 14 and she’s at least 25-30. And the moral outrage aspect of it is not even what I care about, it’s the fact she literally killed your brother’s mom? I’m not even saying you have to actively execute or hurt her, but I’m definitely not sharing a bed with and marrying someone like that. Story kinda falling off sadly nah fr. wasn't she in love with Bosse? She down bad for the whole family, dude she for the cobble stone roads.(kidding shes not ik she went through a lot of trauma). But I just find it super weird that Daidas so willing to wife her up knowing that she didn't hesitate to trap him in that black void to save his little daddy. Also thinking about it Daidas probably about 9-12 because when you consider when Bojjis mom dead he was like walking and shit so maybe 2 years old. And then a couple more years because Bosse had to grieve and then meet hiling plus the 9 months when she was pregnant. Apparently Bojjis supposed to be 14. The age gap is just so weird to me. You spitting.(character count) |
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| i still don't forgive miranjo but at least everyone is okay |
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