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Oct 13, 2021 10:36 AM
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Zuyama_2061 said:
biggest problem from the previous part were composting and coloring , sadly though they didn't improve it one bit....


They improved a lot in part 2 and the Color Designer is the same as Dorohedoro
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Ryuu18 said:
Animation, cgi, compositing, coloring, visual, everything looks better than part 1. Thanks to mappa and their staff who worked so hard to make this anime in just a short time.




Hayashi and the Staff are just amazing, you guys need to check this. There was a lot of improvement and In-house work with the CGI, practically the same work of Hayashi on Dorohedoro

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TweedleDane said:
What the shit ?? this came outta nowhere , been having a very deppressing day , but this is intriguing . Well done for not doing a Pre-made PV .

I am not a manga reader , but seeing where we ended and what the scenes showed and putting 2 and 2 together , i am guessing all the scenes shows are immediate follow ups to the last ep ? So they showed the scenes from the beginning parts .

I had to just skim through to avoid spoiling much , but from what i saw the rendering looks much better on the attack titan .. the armored titan's model looks the same , so hoping the eventual photography and effects work doesnt ruin it . first time seeing the pieck titan and it looks alright .

Brilliant 2d drawings tho . i know the have only showed the highlights and the latter parts may not look this good , but for what its worth it looks as good as ever for now . the zeke scenes had very indepth shadings considering how many contours he has on his face , and that final eren cut looks incredible .

all in all , pretty much what you would expect from a PV2 . they didnt show much but what they did show looked good enough . I still have reservation on :
-eren's titan animation parts . for some reason it just doesnt look as good as lets say the jaws or cart .
- Expected some little tweaks to the beast titan model , but it looks like there arent any .


Also , my condolences to the fans who were deluded enough to think that they would do 2d just because they got 1 year . i said at the time , and i will say it again ; that is just impossible and way too much hopium .

also , for my lazy brothers and sisters :



Could you tell me what you thought didn't look so good on the attack titan parts?

It's very hard to notice it was a few seconds but I found that CGI now has more impact (Reiner's scene for example) on movements because of the new software and tools they are using.
Oct 13, 2021 11:02 AM
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thiago52192 said:
Man, Kohta music just doesn't make me as hyped as Sawano. Oh well, this is still the only anime I'm hyped for.


Music is art, not hype. Sure that Kohta has to improve as a composer but he is really great, so please let's stop this Sawano vs Kohta thing. Kohta is the main composer nothing will change it, and he said he would try to do a even better job for part 2, you haven't even heard the OST's yet. Nightmare isn't a hype OST, let's try to understand and appreciate the effort that the other guy is trying to do instead of overshadowing Kohta and just talk about Sawano when he barely has credits with The Final Season
Oct 13, 2021 11:12 AM
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Chota_Itachi said:
The CGI is still there even after they had a freaking year for the production , not gonna say anything else my day is ruined anyway

But its still better than last season


You're crazy if you think that wouldn't use CGI. They had to spend a lot of time and money to create these beautiful models obviously would use them again lol


Literally this!!! They already have the models rigged* and ready to go, so why not use them?? When they do this, it allows for a better focus on the other aspects of the animation.

* - for those who aren't well-verse in CGI lingo, a "rigged model" is a CGI model that is prepared for animation.
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IT'S OUT!!! I knew it would not exceed 30 seconds, it looks more like an episode preview than a trailer.

It doesn't look to me like this is a pre-animated preview, and if it isn't, we're in for some exciting action scenes lads. They got rid of the blur, but not entirely. The colors look more saturated, and shots are more crisp than what we had in the first part. I might be tripping, but the Attack Titan has some 2D animation scenes? Its model also looks much better than the first part. Same with the Armored? I can see hints of CG, but it's not standing out in a negative sense. There are quite of few improvements that you can pick up just from watching it once, I'm excited.

*Snickering at those who still thought they'll be getting 2D animation*
As many people said above, CG haters are here before the fans lol. The show hasn't even started, but the CG complaints have. In all honesty, thinking that MAPPA wasn't going to put their precious CG models to use is just delusional.
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Oct 13, 2021 11:42 AM

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Scordolo said:
@adnan_ you seriously thinking Reiner's titan and Yelena scene aren't looking ugly?
Paths are fine I guess?
Actually Are you serious when you said that Reiner's Titan and Yelena's Scene looked ugly?????????

Reiner's CGI was on par with E1 of S4 if not better and looked clean af and Yelena's scene is much more grand and that sunlight effect is also sooo goood I genuinely don't understand how they are ugly.

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Oct 13, 2021 11:50 AM

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just a tease, nothing too grand, I saw on CR that it'll air on january the 9th, of course it's 9.
can't wait for it
Oct 13, 2021 11:54 AM

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@adnan_ all right, aside from the Reiner titan, Yelena's scene in the first trailer of part 1 was so much better. The ships looked and the walls looked more detailed compared to now. It just looks like they just wanna get done with it without giving much care,

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I really hope Armin and Mikasa are relevant in this last half. They are my faves <3
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Scordolo said:
@adnan_ all right, aside from the Reiner titan, Yelena's scene in the first trailer of part 1 was so much better. The ships looked and the walls looked more detailed compared to now. It just looks like they just wanna get done with it without giving much care,


It's one thing to not like the look of this trailer, that's your opinion and that's fine. But I always hate when people suggest this crew and these animators don't care or are in any way lazy. We can only imagine the hours they're spending slaving away to deliver us this show and their talent is evident, even if the time crunch won't allow them to reach their full potential. You don't have to like the final product, but I feel we owe a ton of respect to this team that had this gargantuan project thrust on them and are still churning out content most people love.
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Aww yeah, getting closer.

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I really hope Armin and Mikasa are relevant in this last half. They are my faves <3


Yeah, love them.
Oct 13, 2021 3:34 PM

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quite underwhelming
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Looks about as expected. Should be one of the most hype anime of the year.

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That CGI is just god awful man just awful
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Might as well see the anime to the end
Looks alright from the trailer, but I am curious to see how those things are going to look like.
Oct 13, 2021 3:52 PM
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DamonElix said:
That CGI is just god awful man just awful


In what way, shape or form does it look bad?
Oct 13, 2021 5:49 PM

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Glad to see another trailer where half of it is a blank screen, in all seriousness i'm stoked for this
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tirthpat said:
DamonElix said:
That CGI is just god awful man just awful


In what way, shape or form does it look bad?


In what way, shape or form does it look even acceptable let alone good?

Edit: Macross Frontier from 2008 and Fate/Zero from 2010 have CGI that looks a million times better than this.
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DamonElix said:
tirthpat said:


In what way, shape or form does it look bad?


In what way, shape or form does it look even acceptable let alone good?

Edit: Macross Frontier from 2008 and Fate/Zero from 2010 have CGI that looks a million times better than this.


Sigh, honestly y'all don't even explain your point. Such a major improvement in terms of blending in with the backgrounds, usage of shape key and less of the blur effect makes this way better and good by CGI standards. You just want 2-D animation like stop the cap. Considering the stuff to adapt and time crunch, it would've been 7DS all over again, with any studio doesn't matter.
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tirthpat said:
DamonElix said:


In what way, shape or form does it look even acceptable let alone good?

Edit: Macross Frontier from 2008 and Fate/Zero from 2010 have CGI that looks a million times better than this.


Sigh, honestly y'all don't even explain your point. Such a major improvement in terms of blending in with the backgrounds, usage of shape key and less of the blur effect makes this way better and good by CGI standards. You just want 2-D animation like stop the cap. Considering the stuff to adapt and time crunch, it would've been 7DS all over again, with any studio doesn't matter.


Not really. I do like CGI. Ufotable is a good example of how well done CGI looks. And I just mentioned Macross Frontier which is from 2008 but has amazing CGI as well.

Anime by Studio Orange(Beastars, Land of Lustrous etc) have good CGI as well.

This however is not good, at all. I am not an expert so I don't know the correct term needed to describe but compared to others this doesn't look good at all.
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DamonElix said:
tirthpat said:


Sigh, honestly y'all don't even explain your point. Such a major improvement in terms of blending in with the backgrounds, usage of shape key and less of the blur effect makes this way better and good by CGI standards. You just want 2-D animation like stop the cap. Considering the stuff to adapt and time crunch, it would've been 7DS all over again, with any studio doesn't matter.


Not really. I do like CGI. Ufotable is a good example of how well done CGI looks. And I just mentioned Macross Frontier which is from 2008 but has amazing CGI as well.

Anime by Studio Orange(Beastars, Land of Lustrous etc) have good CGI as well.

This however is not good, at all. I am not an expert so I don't know the correct term needed to describe but compared to others this doesn't look good at all.


I see, well the CGI imo seems good (well at least to Part 1, I see the improvement) and ik about the other ones and the studios, which are really good at this stuff so I agree with you. MAPPA well eh they are kinda 50-50 with cgi, definitely, they can shine but the time crunch is an issue. Sigh, I wish they had more time.
Oct 13, 2021 7:37 PM
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People saying the hype has died. Mappa just had to release a teaser to cause chaos.
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tirthpat said:
DamonElix said:


Not really. I do like CGI. Ufotable is a good example of how well done CGI looks. And I just mentioned Macross Frontier which is from 2008 but has amazing CGI as well.

Anime by Studio Orange(Beastars, Land of Lustrous etc) have good CGI as well.

This however is not good, at all. I am not an expert so I don't know the correct term needed to describe but compared to others this doesn't look good at all.


I see, well the CGI imo seems good (well at least to Part 1, I see the improvement) and ik about the other ones and the studios, which are really good at this stuff so I agree with you. MAPPA well eh they are kinda 50-50 with cgi, definitely, they can shine but the time crunch is an issue. Sigh, I wish they had more time.


The Jaw Titan in AoT Final ep 1 looked really nice even though it was CGI. I think the combination of light tricks and digital effects like noise, blur, dust particles etc did a good job masking the CGI. However the rest of the episodes had really mediocre CGI that was downright laughably bad at times.

Like I said I'm not an expert so I can't find the right words to express properly, but its not like I hate CGI or anything.

They really improved the look in the AoT Final Part 1 blurays by implementing lighting tricks to cleverly mask the CGI and its a huge improvement over the TV/Web version. Idk if you checked that out.

For what its worth I really like the asthetic and color pallet MAPPA has gone with the final season. The colors are dull, muted and give a grim and dark vibe. I always thought WIT art style was a little bit too vibrant in some scenes. MAPPA'S art style feels very fitting to the atmosphere. If only the CGI was better. I don't mind them using CGI for titans at all, just wish it was better done.
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lol the pieck titan frame
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My only problem was that same wonky cg for the beast and that yelena scene bruh[i still dont understand why mappa legit changes some epic manga panels for eg eren's jacket scene] tho
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Scordolo said:
@adnan_ all right, aside from the Reiner titan, Yelena's scene in the first trailer of part 1 was so much better. The ships looked and the walls looked more detailed compared to now. It just looks like they just wanna get done with it without giving much care,
I agree that it was cooler but its not logical or realistic in the slightest. If the blimps were that low like in the trailer, they would fall on Yelena or other main characters and new scene fixed it. I'd have liked the blimps to be a bit closer but what we got was completely fine and actually really good.

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You're going to be all right. You just stumbled over a stone in the road.
It means nothing. Your goal lies far beyond this. Doesn't it?
I'm sure you'll overcome this.
You'll walk again... soon.

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Oct 13, 2021 9:22 PM
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The teaser was great and I can't wait for part 2.

Aot hype let's Fucking Gooo
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Shorter than I expected ngl


It's a bit unfortunate I was more hyped for the first part but I'll be looking forward to weekly AOT episodes again



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adnan_ said:
Scordolo said:
@adnan_ all right, aside from the Reiner titan, Yelena's scene in the first trailer of part 1 was so much better. The ships looked and the walls looked more detailed compared to now. It just looks like they just wanna get done with it without giving much care,
I agree that it was cooler but its not logical or realistic in the slightest. If the blimps were that low like in the trailer, they would fall on Yelena or other main characters and new scene fixed it. I'd have liked the blimps to be a bit closer but what we got was completely fine and actually really good.


Agree with you, the blimps looked more realistic now when it's higher and far from yelena.
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I expected everything would be hand-drawn but I guess CGI is a fine option.
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Please, please let it be an alternate ending where Chad Eren is not a simp!
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aLotQuestion_ said:
Please, please let it be an alternate ending where Chad Eren is not a simp!
absolutely not. Don't bring that AoT No Requiem shit project, supported by people who literally based everything on a misinterpretation of his character, here. Chad Eren doesn't exist and chad =/= good character, at least for those who are more than 15 yo. Eren is one of the best and most complex character to this day, there's no change needed.
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Chota_Itachi said:
The CGI is still there even after they had a freaking year for the production , not gonna say anything else my day is ruined anyway

But its still better than last season
I'm happy to hear that your day is ruined. You just made my day much better, Troll-san.
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Dany2100 said:
aLotQuestion_ said:
Please, please let it be an alternate ending where Chad Eren is not a simp!
absolutely not. Don't bring that AoT No Requiem shit project, supported by people who literally based everything on a misinterpretation of his character, here. Chad Eren doesn't exist and chad =/= good character, at least for those who are more than 15 yo. Eren is one of the best and most complex character to this day, there's no change needed.
Agree 100%, people have so many different interpretation of Eren, which is okay, But the problem is that they believe that their interpretation is the ONLY right one. It's just childish and ignorant way of thinking. Loved the teaser and absolutely can't wait for the official trailer 🔥🔥🔥♥♥♥
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The CGI is still there even after they had a freaking year for the production , not gonna say anything else my day is ruined anyway

But its still better than last season
I'm happy to hear that your day is ruined. You just made my day much better, Troll-san.
all i said is i didn't liked the cg , nothing like "MAPPA sucks" , or anything toxic , you getting angry on that depicts how many brain cells you have
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Man, my hype about this show is already dead. I'm gonna watch this to see chapter 121 lmao
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Scythe97 said:
I'm happy to hear that your day is ruined. You just made my day much better, Troll-san.
all i said is i didn't liked the cg , nothing like "MAPPA sucks" , or anything toxic , you getting angry on that depicts how many brain cells you have
.... was I just accused of lacking brain cells by someone who thought that production companies are gonna throw the expensive CGI Models in the garbage bin and spend more money above it on brand new 2D Animation!? I guess I've just read the weirdest insult I have heard of in my life. Goodbye Troll-san, or Newbie-san (cause these are the only explanations I have for your comments).
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Scythe97 said:
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all i said is i didn't liked the cg , nothing like "MAPPA sucks" , or anything toxic , you getting angry on that depicts how many brain cells you have
.... was I just accused of lacking brain cells by someone who thought that production companies are gonna throw the expensive CGI Models in the garbage bin and spend more money above it on brand new 2D Animation!? I guess I've just read the weirdest insult I have heard of in my life. Goodbye Troll-san, or Newbie-san (cause these are the only explanations I have for your comments).
calm down man , try to understand what I'm saying it's not like i hate mappa of anything , think logically once
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Christ, this thread just continues to prove that this fandom is absolute fucking ass. Welp, was nice knowing you guys but I'm hopping off this cancer of a clown community, peace
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You're crazy if you think that wouldn't use CGI. They had to spend a lot of time and money to create these beautiful models obviously would use them again lol


Literally this!!! They already have the models rigged* and ready to go, so why not use them?? When they do this, it allows for a better focus on the other aspects of the animation.

* - for those who aren't well-verse in CGI lingo, a "rigged model" is a CGI model that is prepared for animation.


Yeah, and also they are using a new tool shape key to animate the Titans, wich makes the 3D really better in movement, the models have always been good and now looks well polished. The characters' 2D animation is also much more consistent and fluid. Surely this season will have more Sakuga than part 1. Ignore the haters because the news is very good and no one can spoil it
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aotisgoat23 said:
My only problem was that same wonky cg for the beast and that yelena scene bruh[i still dont understand why mappa legit changes some epic manga panels for eg eren's jacket scene] tho


You guys don't really know how to interpret a scene, do you?... The first PV was directed and storyboarded by someone else who is not even the director of The Final Season. Obviously it would be different lol. Yelena's scene is the same, only with another vision. You guys can understand it? That's not because a scene is different that is automatically bad. Stop with this dangerous mentality, damn. Why this fandom is just immaturity, complaints and hate??? God

There's nothing wrong with the new Yelena's scene.

In the first PV Yelena is extolling the moment showing how great it is and the impact. Even tho it's cool the blimps looks like are going to kill her 😂 but ok, realism is kinda subjective...

In the second, she is doing the same thing but in the appreciative, meaningful way.
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Looks dope. Just a short teaser of fights, I guess.




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Man, my hype about this show is already dead. I'm gonna watch this to see chapter 121 lmao


I hope they make some modifications for the upcoming events--to at least make it bearable this time around.

But overall, I feel the same.




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Either this season will become the highest rated aot season or the least rated aot season


that's exactly what I was thinking too. anything less than perfect and the AOT fans will be raging
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_Fishy_ said:
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Either this season will become the highest rated aot season or the least rated aot season


that's exactly what I was thinking too. anything less than perfect and the AOT fans will be raging
Damn even i m fking worried... I also wanna see how it goes after 131.. Probably would be okaish but if they truly adapt that bullshit 137 onwards, i m scared af for the response lol. Eventhough i m still trusting isayama to really make them necessary changes its his last chance. After all he basically have to do is remove some of those story ruining lines and scenes[u know wat i mean] from 139 and his masterpiece is saved for sure.
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that's exactly what I was thinking too. anything less than perfect and the AOT fans will be raging
Damn even i m fking worried... I also wanna see how it goes after 131.. Probably would be okaish but if they truly adapt that bullshit 137 onwards, i m scared af for the response lol.


I agree. The review bombing that came for the ending of the manga was only a preview of what might happen with the anime. I am excited to see 131 cause yk THAT scene but the chapters after are iffy, you're right.
I think the anime might end a bit differently tho because of how bad the response was to the manga. they'd only have to change the last few chapters of it so it's not impossible. or maybe people will have to suck it up and accept the ending as it is.
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aotisgoat23 said:
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that's exactly what I was thinking too. anything less than perfect and the AOT fans will be raging
Damn even i m fking worried... I also wanna see how it goes after 131.. Probably would be okaish but if they truly adapt that bullshit 137 onwards, i m scared af for the response lol. Eventhough i m still trusting isayama to really make them necessary changes its his last chance. After all he basically have to do is remove some of those story ruining lines and scenes[u know wat i mean] from 139 and his masterpiece is saved for sure.
if they just explain the memory play better than thr manga then it will be masterpiece of a story
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_Fishy_ said:
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Damn even i m fking worried... I also wanna see how it goes after 131.. Probably would be okaish but if they truly adapt that bullshit 137 onwards, i m scared af for the response lol.


I agree. The review bombing that came for the ending of the manga was only a preview of what might happen with the anime. I am excited to see 131 cause yk THAT scene but the chapters after are iffy, you're right.
I think the anime might end a bit differently tho because of how bad the response was to the manga. they'd only have to change the last few chapters of it so it's not impossible. or maybe people will have to suck it up and accept the ending as it is.
[spoiler]Also just the few MAIN problems like
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I'm gonna be eating popcorn once the ending gets adapted.
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