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Jun 20, 2021 1:28 PM

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Soupisekaitrash said:
The pedomonogatari moments probably should be discussed since its really not ok


I entirely agree, the moments monogatari is good makes me really want to talk to my friends that also watch anime about it but with all the little sister loving and the child molestation makes it really impossible to recommend it
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Depends on who you speak to

Some will think absolutely everything that could be considered controversial is taboo

Some like myself really couldn't care and finds that the controversial stuff makes for exciting and meaningful conversations.
Jun 20, 2021 3:03 PM

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No such things exists. Talk about whatever the hell we want. At least I do.
Jun 20, 2021 3:19 PM

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sheesh this thread got pretty bad very fast, but yeah I don’t think any topics are taboo because in reality they are talked about quite a lot; for example the whole loli/shota debate is timeless and will probably always be discussed until the end of anime
Jun 20, 2021 3:42 PM
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there's no really any taboo topics, just ones that start up a nasty disagreements
the one that pisses me off is the sexualization of children in anime and how many people justify it by saying "its just fiction" and disturbing age gaps. I was seeing a debate over on MAL's discord and two people were arguing "it's okay for this 20 something woman to love this 12 year old boy because they are married" even to the point of that person saying he would love a 12 year old if they were married to them and to your surprise the person who kept saying it's wrong was banned instead, pedophilia in plain sight and it's enabled
Jun 20, 2021 3:52 PM
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Stuff like saying that the idea behind the concept of waifus is freaking stupid is pretty taboo. People are so obssesive over anime girls even though most of them don't really exist as characters, and instead are just blankets of fanservice.

Adimus_prime said:
TitanInsane said:
Anitubers. Most MAL'ers have a visceral hatred for them from what I've observed in any anituber related threads.
+1!!!!! I will never understand most MAL users insane hatred of anitubers. I am not even saying you have to like anitubers but I think a lot people on MAL genuinely hate these anitubers as people for committing the "crime" of making content on YT that they don't like.


The hatred of anitubers is kind of justified. For the most part, the most popular ones don't review anime, all they do is review porn/hentai, hype train already hyped animes and create this fake sense of "everything is going great". I've seen so many times that Trash Taste and others keep on saying "how great the anime industry is at this day and age, with so many great animes yada yada yada" even though you get like a bajillion isekais that all feel the same, harems that go nowhere, shounens that well... don't feel any different than those from the last century and so on. They always avoid controversial stuff because all they care about is making money off youtube instead of actually serving as actual reviewers, they affect the minds of many through dumb quotes about popular animes, such as "who the hell doesn't watch AOT its perfect we aren't going to talk about all the flaws this series has" for example, and so on. If they actually cared about their content, instead of talking about which waifu they'd like to fk for the 10th time on the same video, people might have seen them differently.
Jun 20, 2021 4:06 PM

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saying SAO is a masterpiece is considerd taboo
Jun 20, 2021 9:42 PM

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dertasso said:
IrrelevantGuy said:

No, I won't like Mushoku Tensei in 15 years, and I have clearly stated why so, unlike certain someone.
You did it, i did it, you didnt get it, i rest my case, pm me, we'll talk on discord if you want to get it

Oh god, blaming it on me for not getting it, huh? Ever realized that your own phrasing is very poor?

Btw, I did understand your argument in the end (despite your poor wording), and I also debunked it. And I don't know how you assumed I didn't get it. Ah well, maybe you just don't understand simple logic.

So, let me debunk your argument again~

It should be obvious, being a "fanservice" show doesn't excuse you from including pedophilia. And Mushoku Tensei isn't entirely a fanservice show to begin with. It does have an underlying plot that is very, very serious. So why use the "fanservice" argument only when it's convenient (although the argument is awful)? And I wouldn't even have any issues with Rudeus' actions if the anime presented them in a derogatory way, but as I said earlier, but they are instead depicted in a comedic manner, which they shouldn't be.

I don't think you will get any of this considering you can't seem to understand the simplest of things.
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When someone rate "objectively"
It is usually frowned upon by the community and I can perfectly understand why.
Even I hate when they say "It's objectively good/bad".It's like saying their opinion is right and others are wrong.
Armados said:
Stuff like saying that the idea behind the concept of waifus is freaking stupid is pretty taboo. People are so obssesive over anime girls even though most of them don't really exist as characters, and instead are just blankets of fanservice.

Adimus_prime said:
+1!!!!! I will never understand most MAL users insane hatred of anitubers. I am not even saying you have to like anitubers but I think a lot people on MAL genuinely hate these anitubers as people for committing the "crime" of making content on YT that they don't like.


The hatred of anitubers is kind of justified. For the most part, the most popular ones don't review anime, all they do is review porn/hentai, hype train already hyped animes and create this fake sense of "everything is going great". I've seen so many times that Trash Taste and others keep on saying "how great the anime industry is at this day and age, with so many great animes yada yada yada" even though you get like a bajillion isekais that all feel the same, harems that go nowhere, shounens that well... don't feel any different than those from the last century and so on. They always avoid controversial stuff because all they care about is making money off youtube instead of actually serving as actual reviewers, they affect the minds of many through dumb quotes about popular animes, such as "who the hell doesn't watch AOT its perfect we aren't going to talk about all the flaws this series has" for example, and so on. If they actually cared about their content, instead of talking about which waifu they'd like to fk for the 10th time on the same video, people might have seen them differently.

You are generalizing too much.Anitubers like Forneverworld give their honest opinion instead of "going with the trend".Of course if you leave out unique shounen and isekai you'll feel they are all the same.Shounen like Mha and Black clover have really changed.
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Armados said:
Stuff like saying that the idea behind the concept of waifus is freaking stupid is pretty taboo. People are so obssesive over anime girls even though most of them don't really exist as characters, and instead are just blankets of fanservice.

Adimus_prime said:
+1!!!!! I will never understand most MAL users insane hatred of anitubers. I am not even saying you have to like anitubers but I think a lot people on MAL genuinely hate these anitubers as people for committing the "crime" of making content on YT that they don't like.


The hatred of anitubers is kind of justified. For the most part, the most popular ones don't review anime, all they do is review porn/hentai, hype train already hyped animes and create this fake sense of "everything is going great". I've seen so many times that Trash Taste and others keep on saying "how great the anime industry is at this day and age, with so many great animes yada yada yada" even though you get like a bajillion isekais that all feel the same, harems that go nowhere, shounens that well... don't feel any different than those from the last century and so on. They always avoid controversial stuff because all they care about is making money off youtube instead of actually serving as actual reviewers, they affect the minds of many through dumb quotes about popular animes, such as "who the hell doesn't watch AOT its perfect we aren't going to talk about all the flaws this series has" for example, and so on. If they actually cared about their content, instead of talking about which waifu they'd like to fk for the 10th time on the same video, people might have seen them differently.

Don't know about others, but you are completely wrong on the Trash Taste part. They have indeed talked about controversial things about the anime industry (stuff like piracy) many times on the podcast. And they are just expressing their own opinions regarding the shows they watch; there is so obviously no "affect" or "influence" bullshit here. Just because they think AoT is perfect doesn't mean that we have to think so too, and that's not their intent either. So why let yourself be affected by such a simple quote like that?
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If you're talking about a specific place, such as "the MAL Anime Discussion forum", then there are specific rules against stupidly controversial topics such as political wankery. But if you're speaking of the broader anime fandom as a whole, I'm not sure there are any topics that strictly off-limits. If you wanna talk about whatever, chances are there's someone else somewhere on the internet who has talked or is willing to talk about it.

There definitely are some issues that do tend to spawn big arguments in the fandom with no resolutions in sight (unless the group is small enough and people are willing to put some emotional distance between themselves and the topic, I guess). These include some more recent controversies, such as arguments about the influence of so-called SJWs, but a number of such topics have been around for quite a while, including piracy, loli/pedophilia, and subs vs. dubs. (Incidentally that last one is basically the only one that's allowed to happen on MAL AD, lol.)

They're not exactly "taboo" to talk about, but it's common to have mods declaring them off-limits in some given space. It probably doesn't help that piracy discussions also often include linking to or otherwise openly discussing where to get pirated media, and loli/pedophilia involves subtopics that people may consider extremely distasteful.
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Jun 20, 2021 10:40 PM
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Monogatari Series is high-rated because it gave its own audience, who obsess with fan service, the feeling of sarcasm. On the other hand, it disguished me sometimes, but still as a whole, the series is enjoyable.
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Nothing since the mods don't ever enforce rule 7
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I don't think there is any taboo topics, at least not in regards to the Western communities.

We like to argue about shit, we have topics every other week opening the debate about lolis, and the debate about why certain countries animations should or shouldn't be on MAL has been really gaining momentum recently.

I'd imagine we argue a lot more than the Japanese anime community, but the silver lining to that is the fact that we don't feel like we can't mention these divisive topics.
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IrrelevantGuy said:
dertasso said:
You did it, i did it, you didnt get it, i rest my case, pm me, we'll talk on discord if you want to get it

Oh god, blaming it on me for not getting it, huh? Ever realized that your own phrasing is very poor?

Btw, I did understand your argument in the end (despite your poor wording), and I also debunked it. And I don't know how you assumed I didn't get it. Ah well, maybe you just don't understand simple logic.

So, let me debunk your argument again~

It should be obvious, being a "fanservice" show doesn't excuse you from including pedophilia. And Mushoku Tensei isn't a fanservice show to begin with. It does have an underlying plot that is very, very serious. So why use the "fanservice" argument only when it's convenient (although the argument is awful)? And I wouldn't even have any issues with Rudeus' actions if the anime presented in a derogatory manner, but as I said earlier, it's depicted in a comedic manner, which it shouldn't be.

I don't think you will get any of this considering you can't seem to understand the simplest of things.
bruh its not like seriousl fanservice shows exist bruh and its not like rudeus is portrayed as the perfect nibba bruh and its not like its an interpretative show like monogatari where you dont take everything for granted bruh

god this is so pointless and you dont want to get it bc you still havent pmed me
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dertasso said:
IrrelevantGuy said:

Oh god, blaming it on me for not getting it, huh? Ever realized that your own phrasing is very poor?

Btw, I did understand your argument in the end (despite your poor wording), and I also debunked it. And I don't know how you assumed I didn't get it. Ah well, maybe you just don't understand simple logic.

So, let me debunk your argument again~

It should be obvious, being a "fanservice" show doesn't excuse you from including pedophilia. And Mushoku Tensei isn't a fanservice show to begin with. It does have an underlying plot that is very, very serious. So why use the "fanservice" argument only when it's convenient (although the argument is awful)? And I wouldn't even have any issues with Rudeus' actions if the anime presented in a derogatory manner, but as I said earlier, it's depicted in a comedic manner, which it shouldn't be.

I don't think you will get any of this considering you can't seem to understand the simplest of things.
bruh its not like seriousl fanservice shows exist bruh and its not like rudeus is portrayed as the perfect nibba bruh and its not like its an interpretative show like monogatari where you dont take everything for granted bruh

god this is so pointless and you dont want to get it bc you still havent pmed me

When did I ever imply Rudeus is potrayed as "the perfect nibba"? I actually appreciate flawed characters in anime, as long as the flaws are presented appropriately, which aren't in Mushoku Tensei.

Your phrasing and your arguments have all been poor. So I don't think there is any point in messaging you. You wouldn't be able to explain yourself anyway (although I have already understood your points). And no, it's not my fault. It's because of how poorly you phrase your words.
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IrrelevantGuy said:
dertasso said:
bruh its not like seriousl fanservice shows exist bruh and its not like rudeus is portrayed as the perfect nibba bruh and its not like its an interpretative show like monogatari where you dont take everything for granted bruh

god this is so pointless and you dont want to get it bc you still havent pmed me

When did I ever imply Rudeus is potrayed as "the perfect nibba"? I actually appreciate flawed characters in anime, as long as the flaws are presented appropriately, which aren't in Mushoku Tensei.

Your phrasing and your arguments have all been poor. So I don't think there is any point in messaging you. You wouldn't be able to explain yourself anyway (although I have already understood your points). And no, it's not my fault. It's because of how poorly you phrase your words.
nah we'll voicechat, thats always better than typing, i'll give you my discord
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"Anime is trash." is really forbidden in the community
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dertasso said:
IrrelevantGuy said:

When did I ever imply Rudeus is potrayed as "the perfect nibba"? I actually appreciate flawed characters in anime, as long as the flaws are presented appropriately, which aren't in Mushoku Tensei.

Your phrasing and your arguments have all been poor. So I don't think there is any point in messaging you. You wouldn't be able to explain yourself anyway (although I have already understood your points). And no, it's not my fault. It's because of how poorly you phrase your words.
nah we'll voicechat, thats always better than typing

I'm not interested tbh... And that's not because I don't want to understand your points, but because I have already understood your points. So it would basically be like saying the same thing again and again.

There's another reason why I don't want to do this. I live with my family and they speak only Bangla (my mother tongue), so it would seem weird if I suddenly started talking in English. I won't be able to go outside either.

Note: I know that it looks like I'm acting like I'm the superior one here, but I really don't want to. I'm just pissed off since it seems to me as if you are implying that I didn't understand your arguments, when I actually did and made my own arguments against them.
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IrrelevantGuy said:
dertasso said:
nah we'll voicechat, thats always better than typing

I'm not interested tbh... And that's not because I don't want to understand your points, but because I have already understood your points. So it would basically be like saying the same thing again and again.

There's another reason why I don't want to do this. I live with my family and they speak only Bangla (my mother tongue), so it would seem weird if I suddenly started talking in English. I won't be able to go outside either.

Note: I know that it looks like I'm acting like I'm the superior one here, but I really don't want to. I'm just pissed off since it seems as if you are implying that I didn't understand your arguments, when I actually did and made my own arguments against them.
kay its easy to pretend youre a smnartass on forum typing tho, but its not taking us anywhere (and no one wants to read this), for personal stuff pm is better
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As someone mentioned before - Justifying all kinds of bs as "fiction"
People get so defensive when you call them a pedo for liking lolis and say" iTs JuSt fIcTiOn bRo" but then the same people like to complain about the my hero academia fandom for shipping underrge characters i mean that is also " just fiction bro" . This goes the other way too, the people who ship underage character get mad over others liking lolis
Both of them are hypocrites and belong to the gulag
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Scordolo said:
When someone rate "objectively"
It is usually frowned upon by the community and I can perfectly understand why.
Even I hate when they say "It's objectively good/bad".It's like saying their opinion is right and others are wrong.
Armados said:
Stuff like saying that the idea behind the concept of waifus is freaking stupid is pretty taboo. People are so obssesive over anime girls even though most of them don't really exist as characters, and instead are just blankets of fanservice.



The hatred of anitubers is kind of justified. For the most part, the most popular ones don't review anime, all they do is review porn/hentai, hype train already hyped animes and create this fake sense of "everything is going great". I've seen so many times that Trash Taste and others keep on saying "how great the anime industry is at this day and age, with so many great animes yada yada yada" even though you get like a bajillion isekais that all feel the same, harems that go nowhere, shounens that well... don't feel any different than those from the last century and so on. They always avoid controversial stuff because all they care about is making money off youtube instead of actually serving as actual reviewers, they affect the minds of many through dumb quotes about popular animes, such as "who the hell doesn't watch AOT its perfect we aren't going to talk about all the flaws this series has" for example, and so on. If they actually cared about their content, instead of talking about which waifu they'd like to fk for the 10th time on the same video, people might have seen them differently.

You are generalizing too much.Anitubers like Forneverworld give their honest opinion instead of "going with the trend".Of course if you leave out unique shounen and isekai you'll feel they are all the same.Shounen like Mha and Black clover have really changed.


Forneverworld just serves as a hype train aswell. Where exactly is he different? He just hypes everything up, calls everything "greatness" and so on. I've yet to see him talk about how it makes absolutely no sense that Deku just gets constant powerups even though All Might was a better OFA user, yet he never received any additional quirks because "reasons", nor the fact that All Might was considered to be an anomaly in terms of what he was capable of doing throughout his symbol of peace days, while suddenly people are capable of surpassing him with a couple of quick surgical changes aka "afking in a tube". Black Clover isn't a unique or a special shounen. It copies alot of elements from other shounens, its only difference is the speed in which stuff happens.


IrrelevantGuy said:
Armados said:
Stuff like saying that the idea behind the concept of waifus is freaking stupid is pretty taboo. People are so obssesive over anime girls even though most of them don't really exist as characters, and instead are just blankets of fanservice.



The hatred of anitubers is kind of justified. For the most part, the most popular ones don't review anime, all they do is review porn/hentai, hype train already hyped animes and create this fake sense of "everything is going great". I've seen so many times that Trash Taste and others keep on saying "how great the anime industry is at this day and age, with so many great animes yada yada yada" even though you get like a bajillion isekais that all feel the same, harems that go nowhere, shounens that well... don't feel any different than those from the last century and so on. They always avoid controversial stuff because all they care about is making money off youtube instead of actually serving as actual reviewers, they affect the minds of many through dumb quotes about popular animes, such as "who the hell doesn't watch AOT its perfect we aren't going to talk about all the flaws this series has" for example, and so on. If they actually cared about their content, instead of talking about which waifu they'd like to fk for the 10th time on the same video, people might have seen them differently.

Don't know about others, but you are completely wrong on the Trash Taste part. They have indeed talked about controversial things about the anime industry (stuff like piracy) many times on the podcast. And they are just expressing their own opinions regarding the shows they watch; there is so obviously no "affect" or "influence" bullshit here. Just because they think AoT is perfect doesn't mean that we have to think so too, and that's not their intent either. So why let yourself be affected by such a simple quote like that?


I am personally not affected by their claims and opinions, but so many others do. Connor, Joey and Garnt (alongside his fiance) always talk about hentai, about porn, about waifus, or other random crap that has nothing to do with the animes they are so-called "reviewing". They essentially serve as yes-men, they don't talk about blatant flaws in animes, they don't admit that the anime industry, other than gaining more attraction, is heading nowhere, as its overflowed with alot of uncreative writers that publish the same exact stories with what I would define as "different skins", that they don't really think or plan ahead of time before publishing their creations, and instead are just trying to make some quick bucks. They will refuse to admit AOT is insanely flawed, its essentially a zombie flesh-mecha anime with WW2 elements that Isayama clearly had no idea what to do with said series, and its especially noticeable with how horrible the manga's ending was. They talk about how Fate, JoJo or other popular animes are just "insane and amazing" without talking about obvious downsides of said franchises, and they pretty much feed people with dumb stuff of said franchies like "Ohohoho Astolofo is a female with a dick haha let's reuse the exact same joke forever". A reviewer should use their position to talk about both the good and the bad of what they are reviewing, instead of recycling the same content over and over, especially since their content's focus is "Holy shit I got addicted to X, let's argue who is the best girl this time!", because that's more or less all they do, and pretty much nothing else.
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dertasso said:
IrrelevantGuy said:

I'm not interested tbh... And that's not because I don't want to understand your points, but because I have already understood your points. So it would basically be like saying the same thing again and again.

There's another reason why I don't want to do this. I live with my family and they speak only Bangla (my mother tongue), so it would seem weird if I suddenly started talking in English. I won't be able to go outside either.

Note: I know that it looks like I'm acting like I'm the superior one here, but I really don't want to. I'm just pissed off since it seems as if you are implying that I didn't understand your arguments, when I actually did and made my own arguments against them.
kay its easy to pretend youre a smnartass on forum typing tho, but its not taking us anywhere (and no one wants to read this), for personal stuff pm is better

How is it "personal stuff"? It's just a discussion. And I was acting like a smartass because of you.

Anyways, let's respect each other's opinions and move on.
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Armados said:
Scordolo said:
When someone rate "objectively"
It is usually frowned upon by the community and I can perfectly understand why.
Even I hate when they say "It's objectively good/bad".It's like saying their opinion is right and others are wrong.

You are generalizing too much.Anitubers like Forneverworld give their honest opinion instead of "going with the trend".Of course if you leave out unique shounen and isekai you'll feel they are all the same.Shounen like Mha and Black clover have really changed.


Forneverworld just serves as a hype train aswell. Where exactly is he different? He just hypes everything up, calls everything "greatness" and so on. I've yet to see him talk about how it makes absolutely no sense that Deku just gets constant powerups even though All Might was a better OFA user, yet he never received any additional quirks because "reasons", nor the fact that All Might was considered to be an anomaly in terms of what he was capable of doing throughout his symbol of peace days, while suddenly people are capable of surpassing him with a couple of quick surgical changes aka "afking in a tube". Black Clover isn't a unique or a special shounen. It copies alot of elements from other shounens, its only difference is the speed in which stuff happens.


IrrelevantGuy said:

Don't know about others, but you are completely wrong on the Trash Taste part. They have indeed talked about controversial things about the anime industry (stuff like piracy) many times on the podcast. And they are just expressing their own opinions regarding the shows they watch; there is so obviously no "affect" or "influence" bullshit here. Just because they think AoT is perfect doesn't mean that we have to think so too, and that's not their intent either. So why let yourself be affected by such a simple quote like that?


I am personally not affected by their claims and opinions, but so many others do. Connor, Joey and Garnt (alongside his fiance) always talk about hentai, about porn, about waifus, or other random crap that has nothing to do with the animes they are so-called "reviewing". They essentially serve as yes-men, they don't talk about blatant flaws in animes, they don't admit that the anime industry, other than gaining more attraction, is heading nowhere, as its overflowed with alot of uncreative writers that publish the same exact stories with what I would define as "different skins", that they don't really think or plan ahead of time before publishing their creations, and instead are just trying to make some quick bucks. They will refuse to admit AOT is insanely flawed, its essentially a zombie flesh-mecha anime with WW2 elements that Isayama clearly had no idea what to do with said series, and its especially noticeable with how horrible the manga's ending was. They talk about how Fate, JoJo or other popular animes are just "insane and amazing" without talking about obvious downsides of said franchises, and they pretty much feed people with dumb stuff of said franchies like "Ohohoho Astolofo is a female with a dick haha let's reuse the exact same joke forever". A reviewer should use their position to talk about both the good and the bad of what they are reviewing, instead of recycling the same content over and over, especially since their content's focus is "Holy shit I got addicted to X, let's argue who is the best girl this time!", because that's more or less all they do, and pretty much nothing else.

They aren't pointing out Attack on Titan's flaws because they personally think it's amazing? What you are saying about the anime is clearly subjective. There are a lot of people who think Attack on Titan is a masterpiece and they can justify their claims (although I haven't watched it). You should realize that just because you think it's very flawed doesn't mean others have to as well. A podcast is supposed to be a medium for people to express their honest thoughts and Trash Taste are doing just that. They are trying to be casual and friendly, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't know how that equates to "negatively affecting" people. And what's with people equating anitubers to reviewers? Most of them are doing this for fun and nothing else, and what's wrong with that?

Also, have you even watched the podcast properly? They don't even talk about anime that much, probably because they know how toxic some people can be even though what you are doing is simply expressing your thoughts.
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@Armados lmao did you even pay attention?It perfectly makes sense why Deku gets 6 more quirks.
https://comicbook.com/anime/news/my-hero-academia-manga-izuku-how-many-quirks/
This websites explains it.Also,have you heard "The quirk singularity theory"?The reason why Deku gets 6 more quirks ties in with the theory.
If Forneverworld just went with the hype he wouldn't have said that he liked Record of ragnarok.

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The biggest sin is y'all not fucking with Aikatsu!

How many times I gotta say it?

If you would watch it, you would get what I'm going on about.

Then I could shut the fuck up lol.

I watched it, it was aight'... Congrats you can shut the fuck up now.
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IrrelevantGuy said:
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Forneverworld just serves as a hype train aswell. Where exactly is he different? He just hypes everything up, calls everything "greatness" and so on. I've yet to see him talk about how it makes absolutely no sense that Deku just gets constant powerups even though All Might was a better OFA user, yet he never received any additional quirks because "reasons", nor the fact that All Might was considered to be an anomaly in terms of what he was capable of doing throughout his symbol of peace days, while suddenly people are capable of surpassing him with a couple of quick surgical changes aka "afking in a tube". Black Clover isn't a unique or a special shounen. It copies alot of elements from other shounens, its only difference is the speed in which stuff happens.




I am personally not affected by their claims and opinions, but so many others do. Connor, Joey and Garnt (alongside his fiance) always talk about hentai, about porn, about waifus, or other random crap that has nothing to do with the animes they are so-called "reviewing". They essentially serve as yes-men, they don't talk about blatant flaws in animes, they don't admit that the anime industry, other than gaining more attraction, is heading nowhere, as its overflowed with alot of uncreative writers that publish the same exact stories with what I would define as "different skins", that they don't really think or plan ahead of time before publishing their creations, and instead are just trying to make some quick bucks. They will refuse to admit AOT is insanely flawed, its essentially a zombie flesh-mecha anime with WW2 elements that Isayama clearly had no idea what to do with said series, and its especially noticeable with how horrible the manga's ending was. They talk about how Fate, JoJo or other popular animes are just "insane and amazing" without talking about obvious downsides of said franchises, and they pretty much feed people with dumb stuff of said franchies like "Ohohoho Astolofo is a female with a dick haha let's reuse the exact same joke forever". A reviewer should use their position to talk about both the good and the bad of what they are reviewing, instead of recycling the same content over and over, especially since their content's focus is "Holy shit I got addicted to X, let's argue who is the best girl this time!", because that's more or less all they do, and pretty much nothing else.

They aren't pointing out AoT's flaws because they think personally it's amazing? What you are saying about AoT is clearly subjective. There are a lot of people who think Attack on Titan is a masterpiece and they can justify their claims (although I haven't watched it). You should realize that just because you think it's very flawed doesn't mean others have to as well. A podcast is supposed to be a medium for people to express their honest thoughts and Trash Taste are doing just that. They are trying to be casual and friendly, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't know how that equates to "negatively affecting" people. And what's with people equating anitubers to reviewers? Most of them are doing this simply for fun and what's wrong with that?

And have you even watched the podcast properly? They don't even talk about anime that much, probably because they know how toxic some people can be even though what you are doing is simply expressing your thoughts.


I mentioned Trash Taste as a name because its quicker than saying CDawgVA, TheAnimeMan and Gigguk. I don't really care about their podcast, even though they do talk alot alot of hentai, porn and other crap when they refer to animes there, but let's leave that thing aside.

If you'd watch some of their videos on their original youtube accounts, you'd see plenty of videos that match my claims. I don't mind if they genuinely like something I don't (just like CDawg actually likes JoJo for whatever reason), but there is a difference between liking something and attempting to give an "objective" review regarding said thing. Giving a false premise of something like "Wow there are so many good shows every season to the point we don't have time to watch everything (when they barely watch stuff at all because I doubt they even believe what they are trying to imply in their videos at this point) is just harmful to the industry itself. Their fans believe their words, because they are fans for a reason, studios take their fake insight seriously because they have alot of viewers, and we end up with alot of repetitive garbage on each and every season. I don't think most Japanese viewers care about their ideas and claims, but since money does speak, and you can easily tell how most authors don't really create a series out of passion or desire for something meaningful and interesting, and since they have hundreds of thousands of viewers, I kind of doubt they don't have some sort of an effect on the industry, even if its just slighty.

For instance, when they "reviewed" Rent a Girlfriend, all they did was talk about Chizuru, because they apparently think she is a "good waifu". Kazuya is one of the worst MCs to ever exist, he does alot of complete bullshit that no person in real life could get away with, but nada, you hear nothing about that. You don't hear anything about how the series itself goes absolutely nowhere, that all Kazuya does is cry, complain, or try to avoid his responsibilities because his entire character is just being a miserable simp, or the fact he gets REWARDED for his atrocious personality because the girls in the series start falling for him for absolutely no justified reason.

You can defend them all you want, the hate they receive is absolutely justified and they do that specifically because they get very easy money out of that.
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The main thing I can think of that people don't want to hear and most people genuinely don't realize is that the anime industry treats the fans like babies and idiots. Even though artists openly talk about how the industry (manga industry too) restricts the type of narratives they are allowed to create.

You often see people deride abstract/nonlinear narrative and use of symbolism as "trying to be smart" or "fake deep," when they're just normal elements of serious fiction. No one likes to accept the possibility that they didn't like an anime because they didn't get it, because there's no such thing as misinterpreting fiction when it's all "subjective." So if an anime makes them feel uncertain about its meaning they just say the meaning is not as deep as its trying to be and its stupid. ambiguity is not an attempt to deceive the viewer about how smart or deep a story is, its just a way of letting the viewer decide things for themselves. But apparently viewers hate that so the industry responds in kind by spoonfeeding all the answers and only providing clearcut narratives.

These are all things that you won't find much support from other users when you say. you can't say things like this without being accused of "elitism."


I don't know how "taboo" this is in particular but it's the truest thing said on this thread yet. You can tell the industry believes otakus are insipid, anti-social idiots by the number of Isekai with slight variations that are adapted every season. By the type of light novels they green light. By the type of manga they choose to adapt. They look at it and say "those scum will love this shit".

@Armados

I agree with you. Gigguk and his friends are not reviewers. They are just 4-channers with far reach. They hype up whatever is popular because it brings views to their channels but what they really want to talk about is ecchi and hentai anime and manga. I've followed them for many years, before they broke out to be as big as they are now. They haven't changed.
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@Armados lmao did you even pay attention?It perfectly makes sense why Deku gets 6 more quirks.
https://comicbook.com/anime/news/my-hero-academia-manga-izuku-how-many-quirks/
This websites explains it.Also,have you heard "The quirk singularity theory"?The reason why Deku gets 6 more quirks ties in with the theory.
If Forneverworld just went with the hype he wouldn't have said that he liked Record of ragnarok.


The quirk singularty theory talks about each generation becoming stronger than the previous one, it has absolutely nothing to do with "hey All Might apparently even though you had OFA for years, and you are considered to be its best user, you didn't have access to all of its powers lulululuululul". Its absolutely bullshit and made no sense, especially since if All Might had access to them he could've actually finished AFO off and Deku probably would've never received OFA. Its a fatal flaw in the series, and I would define it as a huge retcon that has zero justification. Deku was already supposed to be the strongest hero just because OFA already stockpiles power and becomes stronger over time. Slapping more quirks just for the fun of it is absolutely stupid and makes All Might seem like an absolute joke.

Forenverworld is a hype train. Actually saying you like Ragnarok is fitting the vast majority's opinions. I am not even talking about liking the bad anime adaptations, but actually liking the series itself. The entire series is just a tournament with random bullshit powers on each side. There is no way to estimate which character is stronger, there is no actual story and it essentially feels like a Bleach mixed with God of Highschool. Remember how people complained about how the fights in Bleach revolve around characters bullshiting new techniques and abilities that overpower their enemies with zero strategy? That's essentially what Ragnarok is. Giving the series praise at all is just going with the vast majority of the fans who only give a crap about this series because people enjoy random fighting with no context or plot. Actually, the funny thing is, that the art in the anime was actually solid, its just the animation that didn't exist there, but people can't even differentiate between art and animation for some odd reason and label the entire project as absolute garbage. If you'd just split each scene into frames, you'd see that the frames themselves, for the most part, are very well made, but they really didn't bother/didn't have enough time to work on the in-between frames, and thus as a result, there was no animation, and instead we ended up with a powerpoint adaptation.
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They aren't pointing out AoT's flaws because they think personally it's amazing? What you are saying about AoT is clearly subjective. There are a lot of people who think Attack on Titan is a masterpiece and they can justify their claims (although I haven't watched it). You should realize that just because you think it's very flawed doesn't mean others have to as well. A podcast is supposed to be a medium for people to express their honest thoughts and Trash Taste are doing just that. They are trying to be casual and friendly, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't know how that equates to "negatively affecting" people. And what's with people equating anitubers to reviewers? Most of them are doing this simply for fun and what's wrong with that?

And have you even watched the podcast properly? They don't even talk about anime that much, probably because they know how toxic some people can be even though what you are doing is simply expressing your thoughts.


I mentioned Trash Taste as a name because its quicker than saying CDawgVA, TheAnimeMan and Gigguk. I don't really care about their podcast, even though they do talk alot alot of hentai, porn and other crap when they refer to animes there, but let's leave that thing aside.

If you'd watch some of their videos on their original youtube accounts, you'd see plenty of videos that match my claims. I don't mind if they genuinely like something I don't (just like CDawg actually likes JoJo for whatever reason), but there is a difference between liking something and attempting to give an "objective" review regarding said thing. Giving a false premise of something like "Wow there are so many good shows every season to the point we don't have time to watch everything (when they barely watch stuff at all because I doubt they even believe what they are trying to imply in their videos at this point) is just harmful to the industry itself. Their fans believe their words, because they are fans for a reason, studios take their fake insight seriously because they have alot of viewers, and we end up with alot of repetitive garbage on each and every season. I don't think most Japanese viewers care about their ideas and claims, but since money does speak, and you can easily tell how most authors don't really create a series out of passion or desire for something meaningful and interesting, and since they have hundreds of thousands of viewers, I kind of doubt they don't have some sort of an effect on the industry, even if its just slighty.

For instance, when they "reviewed" Rent a Girlfriend, all they did was talk about Chizuru, because they apparently think she is a "good waifu". Kazuya is one of the worst MCs to ever exist, he does alot of complete bullshit that no person in real life could get away with, but nada, you hear nothing about that. You don't hear anything about how the series itself goes absolutely nowhere, that all Kazuya does is cry, complain, or try to avoid his responsibilities because his entire character is just being a miserable simp, or the fact he gets REWARDED for his atrocious personality because the girls in the series start falling for him for absolutely no justified reason.

You can defend them all you want, the hate they receive is absolutely justified and they do that specifically because they get very easy money out of that.

I don't know how many times I will have to reiterate my point, but just don't equate all anitubers to reviewers. Most of them aren't, and they aren't claiming to be, either. All Connor, Joey and Garnt have said many times—both on their podcast and main channels—to not take their opinions too seriously because, in the end, they are simply opinions. Are they guilty for sharing their opinions now? And what made you assume that they are giving "objective" reviews? Also, people aren't so stupid to take everything they say so literally. Most of the viewers are aware that they are just expressing their own thoughts, nothing else. Indeed, there is a minority that, for some reason, takes all of their words literally, but the negative influence that they are causing is miniscule—from what I have seen at least.

Addressing your Kanokari example—again, they are simply expressing their own opinions and definitely not making an "objective" statement about the show. I myself disagree with them on some of the points they made, and this has been the case on some other occasions as well. I can kinda understand where they are coming from, but I didn't let it affect myself. Only a very, very small amount of people will actually get influenced by what they said.

I'll say this for the last time: they don't deserve the criticism they get at all. I can see where part of it comes from, but all of the hate is absolutely not justified. They make YouTube videos for money, but they don't do what you said they do specifically for money. People can have their own opinions of course, but from what I have seen of their content and all that, they aren't simply money-hungry. Especially after watching the Trash Taste podcast, I have become completely certain of that.
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Well there are some unseen rules in anime community, which is taboo to go against. I have seen community can be oppressive and restrictive. But it depends on the level of community u are interacting with.
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177013, 215600, 230053, 228922…. Maybe

I don't have the courage to check them out on nhentai, but are those some fucked up eroguro?
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I don't know how "taboo" this is in particular but it's the truest thing said on this thread yet. You can tell the industry believes otakus are insipid, anti-social idiots by the number of Isekai with slight variations that are adapted every season. By the type of light novels they green light. By the type of manga they choose to adapt. They look at it and say "those scum will love this shit".


ya i mean taboos are usually things like "dont fuck your brother/sister," i don't really know how to approach this question other than to point out an opinion that is almost unanimously derided or treated like a conspiracy theory whenever someone expresses it. otaku sexuality is itself perverse, and it's not really true that you're "not allowed" to criticize popular anime or shounen or whatever. but i think people in the fandom really for the most part consciously or unconsciously ignore the anime industry's obviously narrow conception of the fanbase, while praising the industry for making the same things in the same styles over and over again and rejecting almost anything different. even miyazaki (and hideaki anno, and satoshi kon, and kunihiko ikuhara, etc.) can criticize the state of the anime industry and fans say "he doesn't know what he's talking about, he's just a cynical old pedophile." so there's that.
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Gyroe said:
177013, 215600, 230053, 228922…. Maybe

I don't have the courage to check them out on nhentai, but are those some fucked up eroguro?

177013 is actually nice but everything else is fucked up. Like there’s too much torture and shit. Blood and gore isn’t enough to classify it.
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Gyroe said:
177013, 215600, 230053, 228922…. Maybe

I don't have the courage to check them out on nhentai, but are those some fucked up eroguro?

Btw, are you that dude from Bangladesh? I think i read one of your reviews.
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IrrelevantGuy said:

I don't have the courage to check them out on nhentai, but are those some fucked up eroguro?

Btw, are you that dude from Bangladesh? I think i read one of your reviews.

Yeah, I think you are referring to my Shakunetsu Kabaddi review.

Gyroe said:
IrrelevantGuy said:

I don't have the courage to check them out on nhentai, but are those some fucked up eroguro?

177013 is actually nice but everything else is fucked up. Like there’s too much torture and shit. Blood and gore isn’t enough to classify it.

I have read Metamorphosis and liked it a lot, even though it fucked me up in the end.
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The biggest sin is y'all not fucking with Aikatsu!

How many times I gotta say it?

If you would watch it, you would get what I'm going on about.

Then I could shut the fuck up lol.

I watched it, it was aight'... Congrats you can shut the fuck up now.
Nah man, you gotta do the whole thing. Quitting after 6 episodes is like walking out on the OG Star Wars right when C-3PO and R2-D2 crash land on Tatooine and saying you watched it.
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I watched it, it was aight'... Congrats you can shut the fuck up now.
Nah man, you gotta do the whole thing. Quitting after 6 episodes is like walking out on the OG Star Wars right when C-3PO and R2-D2 crash land on Tatooine and saying you watched it.

With that logic, does that mean nobody watched One Piece yet? You need to watch the whole thing to say you watched it?
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Nah man, you gotta do the whole thing. Quitting after 6 episodes is like walking out on the OG Star Wars right when C-3PO and R2-D2 crash land on Tatooine and saying you watched it.

With that logic, does that mean nobody watched One Piece yet? You need to watch the whole thing to say you watched it?
I'm constantly told that I haven't really seen One Piece until I hit Water 7 at least LOL - so maybe! Nah but that is airing tho so it's different.
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They aren't pointing out AoT's flaws because they think personally it's amazing? What you are saying about AoT is clearly subjective. There are a lot of people who think Attack on Titan is a masterpiece and they can justify their claims (although I haven't watched it). You should realize that just because you think it's very flawed doesn't mean others have to as well. A podcast is supposed to be a medium for people to express their honest thoughts and Trash Taste are doing just that. They are trying to be casual and friendly, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't know how that equates to "negatively affecting" people. And what's with people equating anitubers to reviewers? Most of them are doing this simply for fun and what's wrong with that?

And have you even watched the podcast properly? They don't even talk about anime that much, probably because they know how toxic some people can be even though what you are doing is simply expressing your thoughts.


I mentioned Trash Taste as a name because its quicker than saying CDawgVA, TheAnimeMan and Gigguk. I don't really care about their podcast, even though they do talk alot alot of hentai, porn and other crap when they refer to animes there, but let's leave that thing aside.

If you'd watch some of their videos on their original youtube accounts, you'd see plenty of videos that match my claims. I don't mind if they genuinely like something I don't (just like CDawg actually likes JoJo for whatever reason), but there is a difference between liking something and attempting to give an "objective" review regarding said thing. Giving a false premise of something like "Wow there are so many good shows every season to the point we don't have time to watch everything (when they barely watch stuff at all because I doubt they even believe what they are trying to imply in their videos at this point) is just harmful to the industry itself. Their fans believe their words, because they are fans for a reason, studios take their fake insight seriously because they have alot of viewers, and we end up with alot of repetitive garbage on each and every season. I don't think most Japanese viewers care about their ideas and claims, but since money does speak, and you can easily tell how most authors don't really create a series out of passion or desire for something meaningful and interesting, and since they have hundreds of thousands of viewers, I kind of doubt they don't have some sort of an effect on the industry, even if its just slighty.

For instance, when they "reviewed" Rent a Girlfriend, all they did was talk about Chizuru, because they apparently think she is a "good waifu". Kazuya is one of the worst MCs to ever exist, he does alot of complete bullshit that no person in real life could get away with, but nada, you hear nothing about that. You don't hear anything about how the series itself goes absolutely nowhere, that all Kazuya does is cry, complain, or try to avoid his responsibilities because his entire character is just being a miserable simp, or the fact he gets REWARDED for his atrocious personality because the girls in the series start falling for him for absolutely no justified reason.

You can defend them all you want, the hate they receive is absolutely justified and they do that specifically because they get very easy money out of that.


You are just setting up a strawman argument with no basis to back up with. There is no such thing as an objective review having a larger following does not make one's more superior. It's you as the audience perceived it as it is because you feel they have power over you and clouded your own opinion. The boys praised the shit out of NGE but it doesn't seem anything past suffer porn to me. The Isekai boom isn't because some British man has 3mil following it's because the genre is been high sales in the LN market the past decades following SAO and businesses simply want to capitalize on it. Using this as a base you should be able to tell how Japanese studio really doesn't care about foreign markets as the LN market outside of Japan is non-existent. Money speaks even to this day most popular entries on the Japanese LN site are isekais and many shows were pulled from there. Considering how xenophobic Japan tends to be I highly doubt they even consider what I couple of western anituber's opinions have on their media.

As for Rent-a-Girlfriend literally, 90% of the fanbase is reading it for Chizuru. You gotta question why a series with a dogshit MC able to have sales at that top of its own genre. You go to any single one of the forums for the last 100 chapters everyone will tell you the story is ass, the author is milking, Kazuya is an imbecile beyond help but we still pick up the next chapter when it drops.

So instead of forging a strawman for your hatred just say you don't like their personality, their content is boring, and you can't stand them talking. Cause you know entertainment is subjective and youtube is not an authority for any platform it's a bunch of entertainers.
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With that logic, does that mean nobody watched One Piece yet? You need to watch the whole thing to say you watched it?
I'm constantly told that I haven't really seen One Piece until I hit Water 7 at least LOL - so maybe! Nah but that is airing tho so it's different.

Isn't there a season of Aikatsu airing right now? The one with the live acton peoples.
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I'm constantly told that I haven't really seen One Piece until I hit Water 7 at least LOL - so maybe! Nah but that is airing tho so it's different.

Isn't there a season of Aikatsu airing right now? The one with the live acton peoples.
Aikatsu is a franchise. 'Planet', the show airing rn, has no relation established with the other series. They're all self contained excluding one crossover mini-series and its ova that has a shorter runtime than usual. But I'm just clowning around dude, try not to take this too seriously lol
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There aren't really any taboo topics, There are some that are controversial and anger people, but these are usually the go to topics for spicy and juicy arguments.

Maybe the most taboo thing I could think of is people disrespecting the classic shows and creators, Like saying Osamu Tezuka was just another writer or Dragon Ball didn't add anything to the industry, It's like punching an elder in the face
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There are no taboo topics to discuss as everything has been covered at least once.


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The pedomonogatari moments probably should be discussed since its really not ok


I entirely agree, the moments monogatari is good makes me really want to talk to my friends that also watch anime about it but with all the little sister loving and the child molestation makes it really impossible to recommend it
Recommend it and prove them that your taste is superior to theirs
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Funny thing is, this is exactly what people who don't want to engage in meaningful conversations in the first place tend to say about the other party.

If that was supposed to be a burn it sucked ass, most people being immature and antagonistic online is a fact of life at this point, especially on platforms where most are of young age.

Why are people so antagonistic online?
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