Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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mozgow said: Rob7 said: At your service.Can someone get the print of a interesting thing Roswaal said to Ram in the first season?  (character limit) Wow, so if the dragon is guarding Satella who is sealed away, and Roswaal wants to kill the dragon, just who's side is he really on! |
| I've not read the novels beyond this moment (and neither if i wanted, because we are getting close to the last released translated light novel volume). But i strongly guess that Roswaal intentions are related to what kind of relation Equidna had with Satella. And even if i do respect Subaru in this moment a lot more than ever, he is still stupid for never had any curiousity to ask about it to Echidna. She don't know about Sin Archbishops and all stuff that happened after her death, except by what she read from the memories of people who attempt the trials. But she surely CAN reveal who exactly was Satella and what happened 400 years ago. She can do. But if she would agree to reveal that is another history, sure. |
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Rob7 said: I have an interesting theory for what happened 400 years ago and will post it once the relevant part is shown in the anime.But she surely CAN reveal who exactly was Satella and what happened 400 years ago. |
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| ... Same voice, same face, I guess Emilia didnt know she really *is* Satella lol. Then again maybe since Satella is sealed she obv cant get out of there so she probably took over Emilia's body, hence Subaru's "I'll definitely save you" line? I really doubt he'd be saying that to Satella, dude hates her so much lol. Echidna really being quite the handy character in this arc. Subaru lucked out lol. |
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damn i just realize is that satella on the top-right corner? |
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MuraragiKoyomi said: Why did subaru say that he will save satella? Whose hand wiped off satella's tears? I feel that this episode created more questions rather than answering them :( Because Satella is innocent and she did nothing wrong. — She just wanna to be loved. — She just finished some fuc*ed up EVIL witches like the wild Daphne or the sadic Typhon. Camila Witch of Lust probably was not someone with good deeds, we can easily guess. Echidna is being nice but who knows her true colors. If Subaru had not killed Petelgeuse, he would be made in pieces once he entered in her tomb for the first time. No tea party. If the author made the protagonist promise that he will save the antagonist, i have watched anime ENOUGH to know where it is going to lead. |
Rob7Sep 10, 2020 7:08 AM
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| Hey, Satella's face, assuming that it actually is her face and not a possessed Emilia or something like that. Emilia being Satella would be way too obvious, but I am not putting it past the author, at least not completely. It only took 35 episodes to see her face, a criminally high number. For how long is this supposed to go on? There has been virtually no progress in the central mysteries of the premise this entire time, and the pacing has been very slow overall. Also, this caught my eye: (Talking about retreating to the village.) Subaru: Sorry to make you deal with this, but I know you can handle it. Frederica: Goodness, what a pick-up line. You certainly know how to win a maid's heart, Subaru-sama. Petra: Me, too! I agree with her! So Subaru can deliver a generic, business-like line, and they immediately shout their affection for him. That is absurdly bad dialogue. |
The other poster have even more "spoilers". Btw, Satella is just like a twin sister of Emilia. Wait. Wait. The legend says that the Hero, Sage and Dragon that sealed Satella could not destroy her body. Echidona had research for clone making. Ryuzu, one of the first experiments, was turned into clones, and she is a half-elf just like Emilia. WAIT.....! |
Rob7Sep 10, 2020 7:24 AM
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| Fantastic episode once again. If Rem is anything to go by I am sure Garfiel will eventually take a liking to Subaru and they'll become best buds hopefully. Satella is terrifying wiggling around while saying I love you. Makes sense that Echidna wants immortality, I mean she is the Witch of Greed though her experiments where not really successful. And that talk with Garfiel and Subaru in the end was great, indeed Subaru has tasted hell not just once but, a lot of times with how heavy that talk is I am sure that will be the last time Garfiel and Subaru will have conflict with each other. Though I wonder how Subaru will deal with Elsa, I am looking forward to that next episode. |
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Rob7 said: The other poster have even more "spoilers". Btw, Satella is just like a twin sister of Emilia. Wait. Wait. The legend says that the Hero, Sage and Dragon that sealed Satella could not destroy her body. Echidona had research for clone making. Ryuzu, one of the first experiments, was turned into clones, and she is a half-elf just like Emilia. WAIT.....! oh the LN artstyle poster? i didnt know anything about the source, but isnt satella alive more than 400 years? |
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TheDeedsOfMen said: Also, this caught my eye: (Talking about retreating to the village.) Subaru: Sorry to make you deal with this, but I know you can handle it. Frederica: Goodness, what a pick-up line. You certainly know how to win a maid's heart, Subaru-sama. Petra: Me, too! I agree with her! So Subaru can deliver a generic, business-like line, and they immediately shout their affection for him. That is absurdly bad dialogue. The adaptation from the light novel cut a ton of dialogue there. In the books, Subaru argues that Freda and Petra have to leave because he knows that some Witch Cultists are still around and would be better if she hide Petra and Rem in the village instead of the Mansion. So Frederica agrees and take Patrasche to carry Rem and Petra. It also skipped a conversation where Frederica reveals why she lefted the Sanctuary 10 years ago. But i guess it will be delayed for the next time Subaru meet her. One way or another, it is a weak reason to eliminate any suspicion from Freda at the point she agrees abadon the Mansion. And the long conversation would be irresponsible considering that Elsa can attack anytime just like she did in the second timeline. So, in the books or the anime, it all is "plot convenience" MuraragiKoyomi said: Rob7 said: ik that but how does subaru know that satella isnt evil?Because Satella is innocent and she did nothing wrong. — She just wanna to be loved. — She just finished some fuc*ed up EVIL witches like the wild Daphne or the sadic Typhon. Camila Witch of Lust probably was not someone with good deeds, we can easily guess. Echidna is being nice but who knows her true colors. If Subaru had not killed Petelgeuse, he would be made in pieces once he entered in her tomb for the first time. No tea party. If the author made the protagonist promise that he will save the antagonist, i have watched anime ENOUGH to know where it is going to lead. Subaru have a fantastic hability to fall in love at first sight with every silver-haired halfuerefu. It is automatic. |
Rob7Sep 10, 2020 7:40 AM
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| That Garfiel and Subaru dialogue though. It's really an awesome moment, since Subaru really emphasized that he saw "hell" many times like the fellow struggler in Berserk. It shows his character development. |
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zalapeno said: Rob7 said: The other poster have even more "spoilers". Btw, Satella is just like a twin sister of Emilia. Wait. Wait. The legend says that the Hero, Sage and Dragon that sealed Satella could not destroy her body. Echidona had research for clone making. Ryuzu, one of the first experiments, was turned into clones, and she is a half-elf just like Emilia. WAIT.....! oh the LN artstyle poster? i didnt know anything about the source, but isnt satella alive more than 400 years? This poster in MAL (pictures about this season) https://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/anime/1152/106337l.jpg |
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Rob7 said: Fair. I am still a few volumes behind in the LN.TheDeedsOfMen said: Also, this caught my eye: (Talking about retreating to the village.) Subaru: Sorry to make you deal with this, but I know you can handle it. Frederica: Goodness, what a pick-up line. You certainly know how to win a maid's heart, Subaru-sama. Petra: Me, too! I agree with her! So Subaru can deliver a generic, business-like line, and they immediately shout their affection for him. That is absurdly bad dialogue. The adaptation from the light novel cut a ton of dialogue there. In the books, Subaru argues that Freda and Petra have to leave because he knows that some Witch Cultists are still around and would be better if she hide Petra and Rem in the village instead of the Mansion. So Frederica agrees and take Patrasche to carry Rem and Petra. It also skipped a conversation where Frederica reveals why she lefted the Sanctuary 10 years ago. But i guess it will be delayed for the next time Subaru meet her. One way or another, it is a weak reason to eliminate any suspicion from Freda at the point she agrees abadon the Mansion. And the long conversation would be irresponsible considering that Elsa can attack anytime just like she did in the second timeline. So, in the books or the anime, it all is "plot convenience" Still, there is a distinct tendency for female characters to like Subaru very quickly or for weak reasons. Even leaving Frederica aside, we have Echidna and Petra. Even Crusch earlier had her heartstrings pulled despite the lack of build-up. Rem had at least interacted more with Subaru, though her nigh-absolute loyalty and subservience to him is absurd and implausible. |
DespondentBlithe said: I will have to check the LN to be sure, but if I remember correctly that part about the Witch of Envy was added to the anime, so anime-onlies would not be confused about what happened. In the LN there is an internal monologue where Subaru realises that he has memories of other people devoured by the Witch of Envy. When he talks with Ryuzu(s) he only says that it were memories of someone else, without mentioning the Witch of Envy at all.There is one last thing that I would like to ask: how was Ryuzu aware of Satella's attack, despite that having occured in another one of Subaru's 'lives' before he was killed? Am I wrong in assuming that everytime Subaru is brought back by 'return by death,' everyone's (apart from Subaru's) memories are reset to that point? |
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| Subaru staring into Satella's face in the abyss as his life slowly faded away was nothing short of bone chilling. Though it did raise a couple of questions and points. Why didn't Satella heal him? Maybe she couldn't, or maybe her shedding tears for him was still genuine in spite of knowing that he'll return again due to the curse that she placed upon him. That's interesting, cause that proves that she's criminally insane in every sense of the word. Occam's Razor is telling me that Subaru was summoned since he was a goofy NEET that would be willing to love even someone as wicked as Satella (since he worships long silver haired heroines) and he'd be with her for all of eternity. But the sad truth is that not even Subaru would want to love someone like her. Does anyone have the scene where Satella engulfed Subaru in shadows in the LN? I want to see the differences between that and the anime adaptation. Edit: Did anyone notice how tall Otto was compared to everyone else? He practically towers over them.  |
ChainxBastardSep 10, 2020 9:24 AM
| The fact that Echidna equipped Subaru with a secret dagger is pretty great. The scene between Garfiel and Subaru was great, especially when he said that he's seen hell. I can't wait to see the next episode and what Beatrice will do. |
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| Subaru had some balls of steel to taunt Satella like that. She REALLY didn't like it at all! XD Still, the sequence that Subaru had when Satella swallowed him up was pretty disturbing. We also got a big close-up of her face at last, too, which bears a very strong resemblance to Emilia. Thanks to the memories that he got, he was able to locate the real Ryuzu Meyer. The discussions that he had with the Ryuzu clones was very intriguing and informative. Ryuzu sure looks cute when she smiles, though. I do like how Subaru stood his ground against Garfiel towards the end of the episode. It was about time that Subaru was able to put his foot down and tell Garfiel, clearly, that he knows what it's like to go through hell, over and over again. His face shows he was telling the truth and Garfiel finally acknowledged it. Aside from the adorable Petra moment, the final scene had Beatrice expecting Subaru already. Not just that, but she was also smiling, too, which is a very rare sight. We need more of that! =P Overall, this episode was really good. The visual quality had a few derpy moment with some off-model characters, which was going to happen sooner or later due to the delay that Re Zero got from the pandemic issues, so I hope they fix the issues for the Blu-Ray release soon. =) |
| Satella's Ai shiteru was creepy. She has a lot of resemblance to Emilia. Damn. |
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| This season has some interesting developments so far but I am seeing that potential problems that I had hoped would be resolved with this new season are still here. Regarding the evolution of Subaru,that some people are bringing here, I have to say I actually liked him in the previous season because of how refreshing his character arc was but I do think everything has a limit. I'm quite done seeing him cry and scream over and over and over again. I always talked back to people saying this was torture porn in the previous season but I'm going to have to agree with them here. We have already seen his arc, and it was interesting, can you please stop acting pathetic all the time now? How many times are you going to cry until you grow some balls? You could argue this is realistic and if we were trapped in another world we would act the same but even if we did, at this point you have to sacrifice realism in this context and make the protagonist a little more bareable. Some people say he is more of a badass in this season and I can somewhat understand where they are coming from, such as the last scenes of this episode, but regardless his complaining and simping are so frustrating to watch at this point. On the topic of simping, (which is a word I don't particulary like using but that defines Subaru quite well) I don't understand (but respect) people saying his interactions with Emilia are cute. They are not. Emilia saying to the man who has confessed to him "I wish Puck was here" in that context and at this point...she has the tact of a drunk and I'm so done with both the narrative and the characters giving her a free pass for everything she does. And Subaru's response? You're amazing, Emilia. She's not. She is useless, she has no charisma, she has no tact, she is not interesting and she needs to go away. Can we watch Frederica? Develop Otto? Subaru not crying for once? Or maybe Emilia actually doing something other that smiling and being tactless? Still, I think the biggest problem with this season is the fact that, at least according to Echidna, Return by Death doesn't have a limit of uses. This is a problem because you know Subaru can and will restart forever without penalty and that lessens the tension and the stakes. You could argue that because the other characters are irrelevant to Satella that they can join Rem in her fate (or even dying) even if Subaru acts, but at the end of the day you know he can keep restarting over and over again. How cool would have been if there was some penalty down the line? Like his friends actually not coming back or coming back with severed limbs or some kind of penalty? Or you know, you can make them likable and I will start caring about them being in a coma or dying. Jesus Christ, what an awful cast of characters. Even so, this is still a pretty decent watch and there are shocking moments that make it worth my time. The author is good at creating foreshadowing and mysteries, the team behind this are giving their all, voice acting is top notch, art is still good enough for me, opening and ending are bangers. Yes, there are still things to enjoy here but I think that at this point I have stopped caring about the character's fates; with an unlikable simp restarting as many times as he wants and with a cast full of unlikable characters (except the witches, who are top tier), who cares what happens to them in the end? |
ReturnbywaifuSep 10, 2020 11:05 AM
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Rob7 said: zalapeno said: oh the LN artstyle poster? i didnt know anything about the source, but isnt satella alive more than 400 years? This poster in MAL (pictures about this season) https://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/anime/1152/106337l.jpg Dang that poster reveals a lot |
| I’d lie if I say that I didn’t find this episode to be boring, the previous one wasn’t that exciting but it was a bit interesting at least. It’s becoming hard to keep following this series, I do think I should drop it after this series, let’s hope it will not end with some sort of intriguing cliffhanger. |
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| Another dense episode of Re:ZERO this week. Frankly, I don't even know if I took all the revelations in. First of all, we finally got a proper look at Satella (well, more or less) and she really is the splitting image of Emilia. I don't think Subaru really understood or appreciated that before now, but with his initial fear at seeing Emilia again afterwards he clearly does now. Still, it's interesting that he mirrored that initial promise to Emilia that started this all in his dying breath to Satella. Then we have the revelation that Echidna attempted to gain immortality (of a sort) but failed. Interesting stuff regarding Ryuzu (nicely spotted, people who noticed the difference before) and regarding Echidna, but not fully sure what to make of it yet in terms of its impact on Subaru. The perpetual creation of clones - seemingly without any direct input from anyone - is a curious parallel to the infinite Great Rabbit, though, and just raises more questions about what Echidna and these other Witches were really after. The revelation that Garfiel has also taken the trial before is another interesting twist in the narrative, not least because it now gives Subaru an upper hand to get around his interventions and return to the mansion. The conversation between Emilia and Subaru just before that caught my interest much more, though, not least because it was one of the first real conversations they've been able to have all season and it really showcased Subaru's development within this arc: before, he tried to take Emilia's place in a way that made him seem to lack confidence in her, but this time he's able to properly offer his support and show his affection, while also subtly leaving the door open for Emilia to ask for his help if she needs it. And next week we finally deal with the Beatrice situation. No interruptions this time, so let's finally see where this plot thread goes. |
| So many revelations! Even more questions! |
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QcDiablo said: ss4chris said: wait why isnt this getting 20+ eps like first season X>X Yes, but this season is split cour. This means the other half will come out a bit later, this winter, instead of right after the first half. ah okay. whew. ty thats good to know |
| Animation was pretty bad in some scene but nvm good episode. Kinda surprised that Subaru is back to the mansion, im worried that Elsa would reappear in the next episode. |
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| looooool i wonder what he whispered 2 garfiel "ram only dates people above 6 feet" |
| Subary being forced to understand by experience some justification behind other's distaste towards Emilia, after waifuing her up to this point was quite poignant. |
swordmaster2551 said: What word do you think Subaru said to Garfiel to make him back off? Because Subaru show no fear when Garfiel was threatiing to kill him calling his buff. Dorkave said: it was a pretty good episode but i have to wonder, if echidna's experiment failed, then how come new copies are being made? and just so i'm clear, she creates all of these bodies to inherit her soul into in case the body she's in gets destroyed? Because the Ryuzu were repurposed into running the sanctuary after her death. |
Usaka_ said: Returnbywaifu said: This season has some interesting developments so far but I am seeing that potential problems that I had hoped would be resolved with this new season are still here. Regarding the evolution of Subaru,that some people are bringing here, I have to say I actually liked him in the previous season because of how refreshing his character arc was but I do think everything has a limit. I'm quite done seeing him cry and scream over and over and over again. I always talked back to people saying this was torture porn in the previous season but I'm going to have to agree with them here. We have already seen his arc, and it was interesting, can you please stop acting pathetic all the time now? How many times are you going to cry until you grow some balls? You could argue this is realistic and if we were trapped in another world we would act the same but even if we did, at this point you have to sacrifice realism in this context and make the protagonist a little more bareable. Some people say he is more of a badass in this season and I can somewhat understand where they are coming from, such as the last scenes of this episode, but regardless his complaining and simping are so frustrating to watch at this point. On the topic of simping, (which is a word I don't particulary like using but that defines Subaru quite well) I don't understand (but respect) people saying his interactions with Emilia are cute. They are not. Emilia saying to the man who has confessed to him "I wish Puck was here" in that context and at this point...she has the tact of a drunk and I'm so done with both the narrative and the characters giving her a free pass for everything she does. And Subaru's response? You're amazing, Emilia. She's not. She is useless, she has no charisma, she has no tact, she is not interesting and she needs to go away. Can we watch Frederica? Develop Otto? Subaru not crying for once? Or maybe Emilia actually doing something other that smiling and being tactless? Still, I think the biggest problem with this season is the fact that, at least according to Echidna, Return by Death doesn't have a limit of uses. This is a problem because you know Subaru can and will restart forever without penalty and that lessens the tension and the stakes. You could argue that because the other characters are irrelevant to Satella that they can join Rem in her fate (or even dying) even if Subaru acts, but at the end of the day you know he can keep restarting over and over again. How cool would have been if there was some penalty down the line? Like his friends actually not coming back or coming back with severed limbs or some kind of penalty? Or you know, you can make them likable and I will start caring about them being in a coma or dying. Jesus Christ, what an awful cast of characters. Even so, this is still a pretty decent watch and there are shocking moments that make it worth my time. The author is good at creating foreshadowing and mysteries, the team behind this are giving their all, voice acting is top notch, art is still good enough for me, opening and ending are bangers. Yes, there are still things to enjoy here but I think that at this point I have stopped caring about the character's fates; with an unlikable simp restarting as many times as he wants and with a cast full of unlikable characters (except the witches, who are top tier), who cares what happens to them in the end? As you have already seen "Return by death" has a toll. Reguardless if infinitely used or limited doesnt matter. To say it doesnt have a penalty is a complete misunderstanding of Subaru's mental state. No matter how many times he resets or reconciles and becomes determined to use RBD it takes its toll on him Over and over again. But that is not what I am talking about. I get that Return by Death is not a cheap way of making all his problems disappear. It's not like a videogame in the sense that you just hit a button and reset everything. Realizing this was actually a part of his character arc, one that, as I said, found interesting. Yes, restarting takes a toll on him, but at the end of the day, so what? We see him broken over and over again and I think it's safe to assume that is not going to change. This late in the game, when we have seen the mental toll it takes on him so many times, who cares, how broken he is anymore? We have seen him crying and screaming many times, so in that regards, what "freshness" can that add to the plot? When I said it has no penalty I meant that there is no consequence to the overall plot. There is not a sense of "f***, this could be the last time he can use it, maybe it's over this time for real". I don't think knowing that the main character can die indefenitely no matter what happens is healthy for the plot. I mean, that is pretty much it with other protagonist and their plot armor, right? But in this case it is literary stated. I mean if people like you still enjoy it then that is perfectly fine but I would have prefered if he had a sort of countdown to achieve his objectives. You have a limited number of trys, so watch out instead of you will keep suffering but you can always restart. |
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ChainxBastard said: Again, Subaru's humility is what refreshed her. Whenever he tries to put on a facade, he ruins everything. If we watch the same moment at Ep. 6, right after her awakening she makes this face:  And from this point she lose her mind, she is not with Subaru anymore but in mental shock. Have you guys see once in your real life a person in shock (ASD)? Please, google, it is something interesting to know and is not far from happens with anyone. On other hand, in this 10th episode (Emilia waking up and realizing where she is): She was already councious to the point to realize where she is and pay attention on Subaru, "preventing her from be in shock". So, yes, there is a subtle difference in her state. Then, sorry, i can understand that the will of deny any little consideration similar to a critic is huge, but Emilia acted a bit different in both timelines. You, or you random user who is reading it, you may disagree to the death, then Return by Death and disagree again, but it don't change 1 inch from what is above And finally, the reason why i found interesting to reply this: So no, it's not plot convenience. Maybe you need to view the show more closely? I'm starting to find that this anime might not be for everyone. No, quite the opposite of this arrogant statement. This show is a mainstream anime and exactly for this it can be and is being watched for a much larger audience than blinded presumptuous fans. That is why it hurts, but is usual to see people with different opinions (and arguments) than yours, even with criticism. Have a good day. :) |
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TheDeedsOfMen said: Rob7 said: Fair. I am still a few volumes behind in the LN.The adaptation from the light novel cut a ton of dialogue there. In the books, Subaru argues that Freda and Petra have to leave because he knows that some Witch Cultists are still around and would be better if she hide Petra and Rem in the village instead of the Mansion. So Frederica agrees and take Patrasche to carry Rem and Petra. It also skipped a conversation where Frederica reveals why she lefted the Sanctuary 10 years ago. But i guess it will be delayed for the next time Subaru meet her. One way or another, it is a weak reason to eliminate any suspicion from Freda at the point she agrees abadon the Mansion. And the long conversation would be irresponsible considering that Elsa can attack anytime just like she did in the second timeline. So, in the books or the anime, it all is "plot convenience" Still, there is a distinct tendency for female characters to like Subaru very quickly or for weak reasons. Even leaving Frederica aside, we have Echidna and Petra. Even Crusch earlier had her heartstrings pulled despite the lack of build-up. Rem had at least interacted more with Subaru, though her nigh-absolute loyalty and subservience to him is absurd and implausible. Like in what way. Frederica interacted with him entirely normally & platonically. Just because she teased him a little as joke doesn't mean she freaking in love with him. Like she teased Emilia too about her admiration for Subaru. Same with Crusch who gained admiration for Subaru after his effort in the Whit Whale battle. Petra likes him becasue he's hung out with saved her life twice. Echidna because she knows a lo more about him than she lets on. In fact I don't know why your conflating two people (Rem & Petra) who care in love with him with people who aren't clearly aren't. Especially when this show has been this direct & distinctive about ti. Every single character has reason to like or dislike Subaru and none of it based on him existing. At this point your basically saying any female who interacts with him for any reason has just an interest in being the MC deliberately disregarding the circumstances. Are the character just bob & nod their heads instead? |
IHadALifeB4This said: The body in the black robe you see in this episode is Emilia, but she was possessed by Satella. The anime doesn't adapt Subaru realizing this, for some reason. As for the actual appearance of Satella (in her actual body), that has yet to happen, regardless, yes, from lore thus far, we've been told many times Emilia and Satella look alike, though if you're asking if whether or not Emilia and Satella are the same person, we don't know that. Thank you for the clarification, finally nailed the answer on the head that I was looking for. |
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