A little too much overreaction about animation

Saray said:
@1Kyo
Preach!

@Bhaskar_Singh
I agree. You brought up a good point that I haven't seen anyone else discuss. Good eye.


Yes, yes and yes.

Saray said:
@1Kyo
Preach!

@Bhaskar_Singh
I agree. You brought up a good point that I haven't seen anyone else discuss. Good eye.


Yes, yes and yes.

KitCa19 said:
I don’t really get why people are saying they’ve lost hope just cause the overall animation may not be exceptional because of staff change.
While the show’s animation has always been above average, it was only season 1 where the animation actually carried a huge chunk of the show’s quality. Yes, season 2 and 3’s animation was never trash or even just Average. They just weren’t sakugafests like season 1 was. But they still provided some really good to downright amazing Sakuga such as Levi escaping the mp. But season 3 part 2 (the show’s most acclaimed season) honestly didn’t have through-the-roof animation aside from the Levi vs Beast Titan fight. In fact, I distinctly remember people complaining about the CG colossal titan and the underwhelming Eren vs. Reiner rematch fight. The animation overall of s3p2 was very good but it wasn’t its claim to fame. It was its story and directing that really put it over the top (and of course, GodWano’s soundtrack).
I guess what I’m saying is people are complaining too much about animation when that’s not what made AoT go from a great show to a masterpiece. Yes, I’m aware that the director changed. But I trust the new one to execute (he directed Dorohedoro which I adored). Especially since he and the staff have been in touch with the previous director and staff members in regards to the final season. And with the excellent source material and the return of the previous script writer and Sawano to boot, it’d take some Seven Deadly Sins level of animation to ruin the upcoming season imo. And I don’t think Mappa’s gonna allow that.
I’m not saying that season 4 is guaranteed to reach the expectations set when season 3 ended, but there’s too little reason to just downright say that season 4 is gonna be a dud just cause staff changed.

Bhaskar_Singh said:

yeah, i understand why lot of people are criticizing the teaser. they are like" this is shit.. im out..". i dont blame them. not every one is veteran in animation and art department neither am i. i just have a little experience. i mean i can tell why the teaser is not visually appealing as the previous seasons. A lot of people who are not into anime also watch this show. They are not gonna get it.

I mean just look at these.

























Everythings looks clean af. lighting is perfect. Minimal use of smoke and blur even at distant objects. this is what we have been watching for the past years. of course there were bad frames but there were better ones than these too. and dont forget we are comparing to the teaser of final season of the show which is meant for promoting the show show and should have some peak quality visuals we will be getting in the show and also how how much they have spoiled in it.


watch these. some frames from teasers. all are at 1080p.














































These are in no way bad, but it is a significant downgrade from what we have seen. Criticism is understandable.

angelk99 said:
This was a pre-animated trailer. That usually means the season itself will be worse. That's the real problem.

HeadsUpPlease said:


I just wanna say that you took the words out of my mouth. People talk waaaay too much about animation while ignoring the fact that it's not only that, that made them like the series. It was mostly great story and Araki's amazing directing (rip).

angelk99 said:
This was a pre-animated trailer. That usually means the season itself will be worse. That's the real problem.

LookaLaki said:

The amount of people who think the season is gonna look better than the trailer is funny to me

KitCa19 said:
I don’t really get why people are saying they’ve lost hope just cause the overall animation may not be exceptional because of staff change.
While the show’s animation has always been above average, it was only season 1 where the animation actually carried a huge chunk of the show’s quality. Yes, season 2 and 3’s animation was never trash or even just Average. They just weren’t sakugafests like season 1 was. But they still provided some really good to downright amazing Sakuga such as Levi escaping the mp. But season 3 part 2 (the show’s most acclaimed season) honestly didn’t have through-the-roof animation aside from the Levi vs Beast Titan fight. In fact, I distinctly remember people complaining about the CG colossal titan and the underwhelming Eren vs. Reiner rematch fight. The animation overall of s3p2 was very good but it wasn’t its claim to fame. It was its story and directing that really put it over the top (and of course, GodWano’s soundtrack).
I guess what I’m saying is people are complaining too much about animation when that’s not what made AoT go from a great show to a masterpiece. Yes, I’m aware that the director changed. But I trust the new one to execute (he directed Dorohedoro which I adored). Especially since he and the staff have been in touch with the previous director and staff members in regards to the final season. And with the excellent source material and the return of the previous script writer and Sawano to boot, it’d take some Seven Deadly Sins level of animation to ruin the upcoming season imo. And I don’t think Mappa’s gonna allow that.
I’m not saying that season 4 is guaranteed to reach the expectations set when season 3 ended, but there’s too little reason to just downright say that season 4 is gonna be a dud just cause staff changed.

LookaLaki said:

The amount of people who think the season is gonna look better than the trailer is funny to me

Bhaskar_Singh said:







yeah, i understand why lot of people are criticizing the teaser. they are like" this is shit.. im out..". i dont blame them. not every one is veteran in animation and art department neither am i. i just have a little experience. i mean i can tell why the teaser is not visually appealing as the previous seasons. A lot of people who are not into anime also watch this show. They are not gonna get it.

I mean just look at these.





































Everythings looks clean af. lighting is perfect. Minimal use of smoke and blur even at distant objects. this is what we have been watching for the past years. of course there were bad frames but there were better ones than these too. and dont forget we are comparing to the teaser of final season of the show which is meant for promoting the show show and should have some peak quality visuals we will be getting in the show and also how how much they have spoiled in it.


watch these. some frames from teasers. all are at 1080p.










































































These are in no way bad, but it is a significant downgrade from what we have seen. Criticism is understandable.

Nik03178 said:

Nothing is funny here if someone uses their brain. Obviously everything will look better when the production actually gets completed. This is not even the finished product. But go ahead and talk trash for now, as mappa will do an incredible job and shut everyone when the season starts airing.

Nik03178 said:

Nothing is funny here if someone uses their brain. Obviously everything will look better when the production actually gets completed. This is not even the finished product. But go ahead and talk trash for now, as mappa will do an incredible job and shut everyone when the season starts airing.

hiraishinx said:
Personally I dont have problem with animation but with plot shown in trailer, the only thing I saw was boring boom boom everywhere from guns/bombs, no typical sword killings with 3D gear (that are for me more typical in SnK than anything else) and only 1 close combat (titan vs titan) of course it was only trailer but trailer usually showing main type of stuff in anime.

deg said:


well even slight amount of animation quality drop is hated by fans proof of this for example is My Hero Academia last season about that Mirio vs Overhaul fight in slideshow scene

and you said it yourself the first season of Attack on Titan got a lot of great animation so that carries it to be this popular too in the first place while succeeding seasons have drop in member numbers here on MAL alone but ye that is trend for most anime with sequels here on MAL anyway

deg said:
@keragamming

lol you misunderstood my posts then and sorry since my english skills is bad anyway and because of my mental health im not good at articulating and heck some people say that the way i word things seems offensive to them already too so im not gonna blame you for thinking that

KitCa19 said:
Just to add: it’s unfair to compare this to OPM season 2 and Seven Deadly Sins. Mappa is definitely more competent than JC Staff and Studio Deen. And the situation are different. We knew OPM s2’s animation was questionable as soon as the trailer dropped. And while yeah, The new AoT preview is pre-made, it at least shows what the staff is capable of and that they actually care about the show enough to not give some PowerPoint presentation level of animation like OPM s2 trailer had.

KitCa19 said:
I don’t really get why people are saying they’ve lost hope just cause the overall animation may not be exceptional because of staff change.
While the show’s animation has always been above average, it was only season 1 where the animation actually carried a huge chunk of the show’s quality. Yes, season 2 and 3’s animation was never trash or even just Average. They just weren’t sakugafests like season 1 was. But they still provided some really good to downright amazing Sakuga such as Levi escaping the mp. But season 3 part 2 (the show’s most acclaimed season) honestly didn’t have through-the-roof animation aside from the Levi vs Beast Titan fight. In fact, I distinctly remember people complaining about the CG colossal titan and the underwhelming Eren vs. Reiner rematch fight. The animation overall of s3p2 was very good but it wasn’t its claim to fame. It was its story and directing that really put it over the top (and of course, GodWano’s soundtrack).
I guess what I’m saying is people are complaining too much about animation when that’s not what made AoT go from a great show to a masterpiece. Yes, I’m aware that the director changed. But I trust the new one to execute (he directed Dorohedoro which I adored). Especially since he and the staff have been in touch with the previous director and staff members in regards to the final season. And with the excellent source material and the return of the previous script writer and Sawano to boot, it’d take some Seven Deadly Sins level of animation to ruin the upcoming season imo. And I don’t think Mappa’s gonna allow that.
I’m not saying that season 4 is guaranteed to reach the expectations set when season 3 ended, but there’s too little reason to just downright say that season 4 is gonna be a dud just cause staff changed.

hiraishinx said:
Personally I dont have problem with animation but with plot shown in trailer, the only thing I saw was boring boom boom everywhere from guns/bombs, no typical sword killings with 3D gear (that are for me more typical in SnK than anything else) and only 1 close combat (titan vs titan) of course it was only trailer but trailer usually showing main type of stuff in anime. I don't know what will happen in plot next (didn't read source because I preffer anime) but if it will be mostly about "modern weapon war" with few titan vs titan fights then it will be bad season for me.

todd2580 said:



>i word things seems offensive to them

yeah you was offensive to me too don't forget that. but i think it's okay since you have your own reasons.

deg said:


dude i was really angry at you at that time considering you persistently insist all the time that JC Staff only needs more time to make better quality animation with regards on One Punch Man season 2

and you seem to always deny that talent>time when push comes to shove in anime production

removed-user said:
I don’t really get why people are saying they’ve lost hope just cause the overall animation may not be exceptional because of staff change.
While the show’s animation has always been above average, it was only season 1 where the animation actually carried a huge chunk of the show’s quality. Yes, season 2 and 3’s animation was never trash or even just Average. They just weren’t sakugafests like season 1 was. But they still provided some really good to downright amazing Sakuga such as Levi escaping the mp. But season 3 part 2 (the show’s most acclaimed season) honestly didn’t have through-the-roof animation aside from the Levi vs Beast Titan fight. In fact, I distinctly remember people complaining about the CG colossal titan and the underwhelming Eren vs. Reiner rematch fight. The animation overall of s3p2 was very good but it wasn’t its claim to fame. It was its story and directing that really put it over the top (and of course, GodWano’s soundtrack).
I guess what I’m saying is people are complaining too much about animation when that’s not what made AoT go from a great show to a masterpiece. Yes, I’m aware that the director changed. But I trust the new one to execute (he directed Dorohedoro which I adored). Especially since he and the staff have been in touch with the previous director and staff members in regards to the final season. And with the excellent source material and the return of the previous script writer and Sawano to boot, it’d take some Seven Deadly Sins level of animation to ruin the upcoming season imo. And I don’t think Mappa’s gonna allow that.
I’m not saying that season 4 is guaranteed to reach the expectations set when season 3 ended, but there’s too little reason to just downright say that season 4 is gonna be a dud just cause staff changed.

deg said:


ye thats the point of sakuga its usually the money shot and its been known that most sakuga of attack on titan is done by Imai and Ebishu if i remember to spell his name right

JJ_jose said:
he's been following the main channels related to attack on titan final season, so he might be coming back. He's a freelancer, so he's not directly exclusive or tied with specific studios

deg said:


even if he is he is not the dedicated or main action animator/director anymore so all he can do now is just fewer sakuga scenes at most well the last season he only did fewer sakuga already so what more now?

JJ_jose said:
he's never done all action scenes, he was essentially there for the big demanding money shot scenes, more specifically with levi. He's never done more than a few in a season, so it's possibly the same here

deg said:


obviously but you are missing my point entirely just look at the sakugabooru of Arifumi Imai and how much sakuga he did for Attack on Titan like 73 of them right now here https://www.sakugabooru.com/post?tags=arifumi_imai