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Apr 30, 2020 6:57 PM

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Hmm... behind the scene politics between head admin and Leroro is interesting, setting up for bigger things.

Bam showers outside of Bam body and that gimp suit gal is strong for a background looking character, being able to get pass that giant ogre humanoid and easily school Rachael like a boss.

Shinsu came showering out of Bam body, but what surprise me more is a background gimp suit gal was able to get pass Rachael teammates with ease. With gimp suit girl face revealed, I hope she has more relevant to the story, going forward? Since she trigger Bam powers.

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Apr 30, 2020 7:23 PM

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Khun's plan was very good. I really hadn't remembered that scene from the door episode,
I thought it wasn't important, lol. I was surprised that the game ended in this episode.

Looks like Rachel is hidding something, I guess. The obvious mysterious elements are the best part so far.
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Apr 30, 2020 8:53 PM

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animations still shit but damn since when doraemon was this hot
Apr 30, 2020 9:11 PM
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im really curious about what rachel wanted to ask khun. i dont really like her so far but shes interesting. and tbh i though shes gonna appear much later in the story but its actually better this way
i really want to read the webtoon to know what will happen next but i want to finish anime first
Apr 30, 2020 9:28 PM
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Mr_Trotskywalker said:
KorhalChild said:
Rachel is a bitch. I hate her character so much. If anyone read the manwha, please tell me these questions get answered. Why go so far as to betray Bam, who only had her and nobody else in his life? Why even befriend him if she was going to betray him anyway? Was he something like a pet for her? Does she get better further into the story or is she still a bitch?
Sadly she's probably going to stay relevant for a long while as she's Bam's main reason for going up the tower but oh man do I want to see her burn in hell


Rachel is a sociopath.Without spoiling what is to come I'll just say this. Her rabbit hole goes a long way down.
Apr 30, 2020 11:13 PM

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Great episode, OST is fantastic and so is the direction. I guess it's only natural for webtoon readers to not share the praise and to think the source material is better but so far I dont see reason to complain over small details, in fact anime adds to the tension and overall enjoyment.

Pacing of first 2-3 episodes was a little rushed but now it's just right.

Khun is a mastermind, best character so far. But then again there's a lot of good characters. Rak is so tsundere XD he gives me some Caiman vibes

Excited to see where it goes from here.
May 1, 2020 1:06 AM

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sleepinoldei said:
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In the end, Leroro and Evankell's discussion...


I think you mistook Yu Han Sung for Evankhell. Yu Han Sung is the instant coffee guy while Evankhell is the ruler of the 2nd floor and hasn't been shown yet.
Hey there, thanks for spotting the mistake, my bad :)
May 1, 2020 2:57 AM

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There's been a steady improvement as the episode have been coming, more so with the characters than story or anything.

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May 1, 2020 10:33 AM

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is that a motherfuckin Jojo HxH reference?!
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May 1, 2020 11:22 AM

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God focken dammit, i forgot how retarded Bam was in the beggining....Soo damn annoying.
May 1, 2020 5:13 PM

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The character I wanted to see the most made her appearance. Hoping Endorsi has more screen time in the episodes to come.
May 1, 2020 7:24 PM
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herrickluk said:
Some interesting developments this episode...

1) The rules state that acquaintances can't participate in the same test, and if Rachel knew about this, it would explain why Rachel was pretending not to know Bam and wouldn't answer him

2) Leroro is about to ask Hansung "If your goal is to-" but is cut off, alluding there might be some reason why he put acquantainces in the same test (My guess is he probably wants to use Rachel's group to weed out any potential threats to the tower)

3) Urek Mazino is the first Irregular besides Bam we hear about (likely to be an obstacle later on)

Questions that still remain...
- If Rachel is on Bam's side, why did she say at the end of Ep 4 it was okay for her team member to kill everyone? (was it just to cover for point 1?)
- Why did Rachel's team not try to pursue to crown, and how is it related to what Hansung said about expelling those who might harm the tower?
- Why does Leroro cover for Bam when asked if he knew anyone who would harm the tower, despite witnessing his powerful Shinsu



You are quite sharp 😏

I cant really answer you now because it will contain spoilers but one thing is for sure, you'll get your answer in the following episodes.

Also remember your point no. 2. It's pretty important in the story.😏

Actually, if you pay close attention to them you'll find clues. 😏 The scenes are quite connected to each other.
May 1, 2020 8:05 PM
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the khunbam fanservice was a bit of a surprise... but considering s3 ep36 (and many countless bromance moments in past seasons)... definitely not surprised they would bait them. But I'm shocked how quickly they forced khun's change of character...

I really don't know how to feel about the forced 'stereotype' on most of the main characters, they really weren't kidding about forcing 78 chapters of S1 into 13 episodes... still it's a better adaptation than I originally imagined.

EDIT: I can't believe I almost forgot to mention best girl appearing <3 hyped for more ToG content!
May 1, 2020 8:21 PM

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The episode was great, Lero Ro is being developed as an interesting character who does not know everything and is making his own decisions, despite it seems like Yu Han knows about it. That girl with the mask was pretty strong, and Rachel’s team showed weaker that I expected. Shit, not Anak has the sword, Bam has no weapon and a doubt with Yuri.
May 2, 2020 1:10 AM
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KorhalChild said:
Rachel is a bitch. I hate her character so much. If anyone read the manwha, please tell me these questions get answered. Why go so far as to betray Bam, who only had her and nobody else in his life? Why even befriend him if she was going to betray him anyway? Was he something like a pet for her? Does she get better further into the story or is she still a bitch?


Nah! She's still the same
May 2, 2020 1:13 AM
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Finally, 2 of my waifus made their debut in this episode!
May 2, 2020 1:51 AM
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Here is some answer regarding the tower and how it operates-
https://youtu.be/XRPO-HODILo
May contain spoilers about shinsu which might be explained in the upcoming episode, skip the last part if you don't want that.
May 2, 2020 7:36 AM

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this is seriously growing on me, i kind of want to read the webtoon now.



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May 2, 2020 2:17 PM

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bruhcam said:

Not really an asspull since its been hinted at since episode 2, the shinsu barrier, the administrator's hints, and also literally the infinite amount of chocolate bars lmao.


Lampshading isn't some sort of "disclaimer" that can justify an exagerated act or asspull later on. Going back at episode 2 when Khun got called out by the test master, it could mean absolutely anything because the narrative had been pretty vague on what can it be done and what can't by these main characters and their nifty gadgets.

The infinite amount of chocolate is just one of the many unexplained attributes of Khun's magical bag until episode 2, along with it being indestructible and in the later case able to transport pretty much anything size and weight wise, so each of them are individual that do not contribute to justify that his asspull plan was rightfully set up.

Secondly, these 3 characters he had been carrying for a while have no real reason to either jump in the bag in the first place nor to work as bodyguards until this past episode. The dum narrative just tells us that they jumped inside and are following orders without them getting some retribution or because they were blackmailed or something between the lines that gives them proper reason to act according to Khun's orders.

Lastly is ridiculous that these minor characters previously beaten by Khun are far stronger than these other casuals that fill in as methaporical punching bags, similar to the ones boxers and wrestlers face before an actual grand event against a real competitor.

Khun transporting these 3 nameless characters and making them their servants without them opposing at all fills in as an asspull because, it wasn't stated before this episode that Khun's bag could transport pretty much anything (it was only stablished that somehow it could duplicate items) there was no sign of Khun actually having time to talk and/or fight other characters during the first trial.

A good writer would have shown vaguely Khun beating or talking with these nameless characters during the first trial and showing their perspective on why they follow his orders.
May 2, 2020 2:57 PM
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Kimurah said:
bruhcam said:

Not really an asspull since its been hinted at since episode 2, the shinsu barrier, the administrator's hints, and also literally the infinite amount of chocolate bars lmao.


Lampshading isn't some sort of "disclaimer" that can justify an exagerated act or asspull later on. Going back at episode 2 when Khun got called out by the test master, it could mean absolutely anything because the narrative had been pretty vague on what can it be done and what can't by these main characters and their nifty gadgets.

The infinite amount of chocolate is just one of the many unexplained attributes of Khun's magical bag until episode 2, along with it being indestructible and in the later case able to transport pretty much anything size and weight wise, so each of them are individual that do not contribute to justify that his asspull plan was rightfully set up.

Secondly, these 3 characters he had been carrying for a while have no real reason to either jump in the bag in the first place nor to work as bodyguards until this past episode. The dum narrative just tells us that they jumped inside and are following orders without them getting some retribution or because they were blackmailed or something between the lines that gives them proper reason to act according to Khun's orders.

Lastly is ridiculous that these minor characters previously beaten by Khun are far stronger than these other casuals that fill in as methaporical punching bags, similar to the ones boxers and wrestlers face before an actual grand event against a real competitor.

Khun transporting these 3 nameless characters and making them their servants without them opposing at all fills in as an asspull because, it wasn't stated before this episode that Khun's bag could transport pretty much anything (it was only stablished that somehow it could duplicate items) there was no sign of Khun actually having time to talk and/or fight other characters during the first trial.

A good writer would have shown vaguely Khun beating or talking with these nameless characters during the first trial and showing their perspective on why they follow his orders.


It's kinda hard to defend it not being an asspull in the anime since it cut out a lot of stuff from the webtoon, both when in comes to certain scenes and worldbuilding dialogues, but let's try.

1 The webtoon explains the origins of the bag a little faster than the anime as well as some of the exposition regarding Khun's family which in turn explains his strength and how powerful the bag is - not its powers specifically but where it is on the power scale.

2 The "hidden team" has numerous reasons to do it. Firstly, each and every one of them is weaker than Khun, and i'm not only talking about his intelligence but also sheer strength (which in webtoon was heavily implied and in the anime hidden behind 2 instances of comedy). Keep in mind they met during the battle royale test which should be reason enough for them to agree to his proposal, otherwise they could end up dead. Secondly, they get a free ride doing absolutely nothing to pass the tests by themselves - Khun literally carries them through four (!) tests and, as it was shown during the barrier test, at least one of them would likely fail it, possibly other tests too. Basically, thanks to Khun they are in a group of say 35 survivors (if not fewer after the crown game) out of 400 regulars.

3 Khun explicitly states in episode 2 and episode 5 that he is looking for interesting regulars to climb the tower with. Interesting means not weak or at the very least with uncommon powers/abilities. So i don't know why you think it's a ridiculous idea.

4 Again, why would they oppose? It's really beneficial for them - they pass the tests doing nothing and in return have to help him out once. In the webtoon there is actually a subtle foreshadowing of his bag being able to carry people inside in the middle of the battle royale test, not to mention the barrier test and Hansung Yu's words after the door test. In the anime they made it pretty obvious i'd say, especially during the barrier test and a lot of anime only's caught it.
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Really loved the music used throughout this ep. Also really enjoying watching weekly this with no prior knowledge of ToG.
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May 2, 2020 9:45 PM
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SethBigBoss said:
The studio is doing too much changes,it would have been better if they stick with how it goes in the source material.
-they exaggerate baam's uselessness
-they exaggerate Khun's behavior toward baam
-they exaggerate with the jokes
-they exaggerate things to make things epic (Baam's explosion)
As a reader I'm not quite happy but otherwise it was fine I guess


well when anime literally copy the source material and just animate it, people complain that it was too close to it and if it doesn't, then it's complained that it is the other way around. Enjoy it for what it is, there's a reason movies don't also directly copy it's source material
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chefalicious said:
SethBigBoss said:
The studio is doing too much changes,it would have been better if they stick with how it goes in the source material.
-they exaggerate baam's uselessness
-they exaggerate Khun's behavior toward baam
-they exaggerate with the jokes
-they exaggerate things to make things epic (Baam's explosion)
As a reader I'm not quite happy but otherwise it was fine I guess


well when anime literally copy the source material and just animate it, people complain that it was too close to it and if it doesn't, then it's complained that it is the other way around. Enjoy it for what it is, there's a reason movies don't also directly copy it's source material


I've never seen anyone complain because an anime follows closely the source material but okay
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brzytki said:

It's kinda hard to defend it not being an asspull in the anime since it cut out a lot of stuff from the webtoon, both when in comes to certain scenes and worldbuilding dialogues, but let's try.

1 The webtoon explains the origins of the bag a little faster than the anime as well as some of the exposition regarding Khun's family which in turn explains his strength and how powerful the bag is - not its powers specifically but where it is on the power scale.



That is my point, people can't pull out the source and use it as a troubleshoot manual using an indexed page "when the anime fails to explain this and that, refer to chapter X page Y for an answer". Adaptations should be able to stand on their own. This is an example of a bad or lousy rushed adaptation.

brzytki said:

2 The "hidden team" has numerous reasons to do it. Firstly, each and every one of them is weaker than Khun, and i'm not only talking about his intelligence but also sheer strength (which in webtoon was heavily implied and in the anime hidden behind 2 instances of comedy). Keep in mind they met during the battle royale test which should be reason enough for them to agree to his proposal, otherwise they could end up dead. Secondly, they get a free ride doing absolutely nothing to pass the tests by themselves - Khun literally carries them through four (!) tests and, as it was shown during the barrier test, at least one of them would likely fail it, possibly other tests too. Basically, thanks to Khun they are in a group of say 35 survivors (if not fewer after the crown game) out of 400 regulars.


This is what makes it even harder to believe. Khun managed to beat these 3 nameless either in a free for all or in a 1 on 1 fights during the first trial wich had an already short period of time before he met Bam & Gator guy. Secondly, if these guys get carried to a superior level and get caught by the administrators (wich they did, but of course for plot convenience the admins are acting in a shady way) they could suffer penalties for cheating, from getting kicked out to probably their own lives (who knows how harsh or lenient can these test admins be). It's ridiculous that all 3 choose the same outcome. Also I kinda understand the level disparity from Khun to these mobs, but it's so farfetched that these guys that failed the first test are way stronger/clever in combat than all those other trash mobs that appeared in the last rounds of the crown game wich they managed to pass the previous tests.

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3 Khun explicitly states in episode 2 and episode 5 that he is looking for interesting regulars to climb the tower with. Interesting means not weak or at the very least with uncommon powers/abilities. So i don't know why you think it's a ridiculous idea.


This becomes another story contrivance. During the first test Khun's line of thought was that Bam was strong just because he was carrying the Black March, but he didn't show any strenght or special abilities until the end of the Crowns game. Khun could had disolved the society at any point during the first test up to this point because there could had been a plethora of reasons how the Black March had ended on the hands of such a weakling like Bam (stolen from Yuri by a stronger/wiser group of thieves or just straight up killing Yuri by a stronger guy and using Bam just as a courier)

brzytki said:

4 Again, why would they oppose? It's really beneficial for them - they pass the tests doing nothing and in return have to help him out once. In the webtoon there is actually a subtle foreshadowing of his bag being able to carry people inside in the middle of the battle royale test, not to mention the barrier test and Hansung Yu's words after the door test. In the anime they made it pretty obvious i'd say, especially during the barrier test and a lot of anime only's caught it.


Again, you can't use the source as a troubleshoot manual, that only works if you're both a manga reader and an anime watcher, and I can asure you tons of us are anime onlys (and the reason why the first rule of every discussion thread has a disclaimer not to discuss about the source)

I also had explained previously that without confirmation on what Khun's bag can and can't do, you can't use the dialogue of the shinso wall teacher as an excuse that foreshadows his abilities because in a title focused completely in the fantasy genre, a lot can happen without setting boundaries first.
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Kimurah said:

Khun could had disolved the society at any point during the first test up to this point because there could had been a plethora of reasons how the Black March had ended on the hands of such a weakling like Bam (stolen from Yuri by a stronger/wiser group of thieves or just straight up killing Yuri by a stronger guy and using Bam just as a courier)


Bad ideas.

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but it's so farfetched that these guys that failed the first test are way stronger/clever in combat than all those other trash mobs that appeared in the last rounds of the crown game wich they managed to pass the previous tests.


These people are not weaklings because they did not pass the first test.
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Kimurah said:
brzytki said:

It's kinda hard to defend it not being an asspull in the anime since it cut out a lot of stuff from the webtoon, both when in comes to certain scenes and worldbuilding dialogues, but let's try.

1 The webtoon explains the origins of the bag a little faster than the anime as well as some of the exposition regarding Khun's family which in turn explains his strength and how powerful the bag is - not its powers specifically but where it is on the power scale.



That is my point, people can't pull out the source and use it as a troubleshoot manual using an indexed page "when the anime fails to explain this and that, refer to chapter X page Y for an answer". Adaptations should be able to stand on their own. This is an example of a bad or lousy rushed adaptation.

brzytki said:

2 The "hidden team" has numerous reasons to do it. Firstly, each and every one of them is weaker than Khun, and i'm not only talking about his intelligence but also sheer strength (which in webtoon was heavily implied and in the anime hidden behind 2 instances of comedy). Keep in mind they met during the battle royale test which should be reason enough for them to agree to his proposal, otherwise they could end up dead. Secondly, they get a free ride doing absolutely nothing to pass the tests by themselves - Khun literally carries them through four (!) tests and, as it was shown during the barrier test, at least one of them would likely fail it, possibly other tests too. Basically, thanks to Khun they are in a group of say 35 survivors (if not fewer after the crown game) out of 400 regulars.


This is what makes it even harder to believe. Khun managed to beat these 3 nameless either in a free for all or in a 1 on 1 fights during the first trial wich had an already short period of time before he met Bam & Gator guy. Secondly, if these guys get carried to a superior level and get caught by the administrators (wich they did, but of course for plot convenience the admins are acting in a shady way) they could suffer penalties for cheating, from getting kicked out to probably their own lives (who knows how harsh or lenient can these test admins be). It's ridiculous that all 3 choose the same outcome. Also I kinda understand the level disparity from Khun to these mobs, but it's so farfetched that these guys that failed the first test are way stronger/clever in combat than all those other trash mobs that appeared in the last rounds of the crown game wich they managed to pass the previous tests.

brzytki said:

3 Khun explicitly states in episode 2 and episode 5 that he is looking for interesting regulars to climb the tower with. Interesting means not weak or at the very least with uncommon powers/abilities. So i don't know why you think it's a ridiculous idea.


This becomes another story contrivance. During the first test Khun's line of thought was that Bam was strong just because he was carrying the Black March, but he didn't show any strenght or special abilities until the end of the Crowns game. Khun could had disolved the society at any point during the first test up to this point because there could had been a plethora of reasons how the Black March had ended on the hands of such a weakling like Bam (stolen from Yuri by a stronger/wiser group of thieves or just straight up killing Yuri by a stronger guy and using Bam just as a courier)

brzytki said:

4 Again, why would they oppose? It's really beneficial for them - they pass the tests doing nothing and in return have to help him out once. In the webtoon there is actually a subtle foreshadowing of his bag being able to carry people inside in the middle of the battle royale test, not to mention the barrier test and Hansung Yu's words after the door test. In the anime they made it pretty obvious i'd say, especially during the barrier test and a lot of anime only's caught it.


Again, you can't use the source as a troubleshoot manual, that only works if you're both a manga reader and an anime watcher, and I can asure you tons of us are anime onlys (and the reason why the first rule of every discussion thread has a disclaimer not to discuss about the source)

I also had explained previously that without confirmation on what Khun's bag can and can't do, you can't use the dialogue of the shinso wall teacher as an excuse that foreshadows his abilities because in a title focused completely in the fantasy genre, a lot can happen without setting boundaries first.


fukin hell, yall wrote a whole manga in this thread. its pretty simple, you like it, then watch it. you dont like it, donw watch it. if you want to figure out so why so much hype, then red the webtoon if you would like. im caught up with the manhwa and im tired of people saying read the webtoon. just if you want things to be more detailed or are interested but dont want to wait for the second season that everyone is hyping just read it. but if not then watch something else that fits your taste
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Oh, Bam, baby, you're such a simp.

I really look forward to each episode, the plot is really cool, even though lowkey reminds me of the first arc of SAO.

I really like Rachel. But I think is just because of her design and Saori, I love her voice, and Bakemonogatari is my favorite anime. But because of the last episode and the plot twist of Rachel being closer than Bam ever though... Don't know, it was a disappointment. But let us see how this turns out at the end.

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Ryuseishun said:
5 episodes in and I will still continue to say that the only thing the series really has going for it is the obvious mysterious elements (hopefully they're not ending up as blatant "sore-thumb" plot holes, but I'm not far into the manga to make a proper judgment for that part).
While I will say that anime does at least have an edge in the obvious department of audiovisuals, the presentation of storytelling and characters hasn't improved much at all. It again goes back to the lack of needed context. Then again, I don't remember the spirit of the Black March literally DIOing the entire place to stop Baam from violating their previous deal.

As for that........well........Baam Ex Machina....if I remember correctly, the translations from the manga stated that the "GodWater" acted on its own will in response to Baam's will, desire, or whatever it may be that involving him essentially forfeiting the game to protect his boo....I mean, female friend. As silly as I still think that moment was, at least his decision wasn't all that ill-advised, as the Crown Game was essentially a bonus game. So yea, the whole script had become more extended due to these events, cause Baam's adventure has been deprived of a shortcut....lol

There's a lot of food for thought here, but nothing necessarily positive to speak of. I know I'm obviously in the minority here, but when you've watch or at least known a lot of shows with this sort of setup or characters, it's not as easy to be impressed or sold on it anymore.


I'm with you here. I'm not really impressed by this. But, I'll keep watching since it's unique.
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Another week, another dumb episode full of dull fights.


Yes. The animation this episode was really a big drop in quality. Rachel agrees to kill them in ep4, but now they're protecting them? Why?

I smell BS.
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I'm trying my best to understand why everybody likes this anime so much. The action scenes at this episode were... wait what action? Boring. And a main character that goes from weak to overpower in a second. I'll not drop this because I really want to be wrong and consider this anime good too at some moment. But now, I can only see hype.


I'm with you 100% I also actually want a good shonen anime so I'll keep watching. People say that the first season is just a prologue.
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Okay. Crown game was over with no win solution. So whats the deal to Anaak? Can she surrender and let Green April go or else? Now everything may come to nonsense. Yoru, your gold Shinshuu burst, your time-stop ability, even Kuro Sangatsu now fear with that? And Rachel goals and her crews? Lets see how well this show trying hard to defend all of the unpredictable plot-point and clicheness until its finally over. My poker face will keep remain for that reason. Oh well....
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I am very surprised that Rachel and her team protected Bam during the crown game, I do wish Rachel did something before getting hit, She just accepted the blow and it wasn't that difficult to avoid.


I guess, Yoru just wanna be a hero guy by standing in front her, even if it means die for him. Pathetic, fortunately the plot wont let him dead so easily. I kinda feel a cliche there, like every Shounen type of show nowadays
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Seems to be a little confusion. Pretty sure Anaak won the bet because Bam's team didn't win.

Bam having powers has been foreshadowed. You guys are kind of thinking in the wrong direction here. They created a situation for bam to show off his power as an irregular. It's not easy to force your way into the tower so clearly something is different about Bam, he just has amnesia and thus doesn't know how to use his powers. Theres enough set up even in the anime to support that possibility.

Khun having a team in the bag also makes plenty of sense. Yeah, it wasn't directly confirmed until he revealed it this episode. The people in the bag were all pretty much in a situation of accept his help or die so they all owe him their lives. The first test wasn't some even situation where only the strongest made it out. Even if you were second strongest, you could get taken out by the first strongest. Surviving the test doesn't really speak to how strong you are.

They give us not one, but two hints that there are people in the bag and I feel thats plenty. The show isn't obligated to reveal every characters tricks before the battles, they just need to leave room for them to reasonably have a trick up their sleeve. This reveals a lot about Khun here. He is someone that always wants to have a trick up his sleeve and he doesn't want to reveal any more of his power than is absolutely necessary. In a world with all sorts of fantastic items and powers, keeping your tricks a secret is vital to winning. Thats why he would use the other team at all. It wasn't so they could win round 4, it was so Khun could enter round 5 without revealing their strength. They are free to reveal just about anything in round 5 because if they win, they move to the next floor. It was a very sound strategy. Optimal even and if Bam hadn't been such a simp, probably would have worked. Well, ok, it wouldn't have but it would have given them the best chance. No one was beating red hair girl at this stage.
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That is my point, people can't pull out the source and use it as a troubleshoot manual using an indexed page "when the anime fails to explain this and that, refer to chapter X page Y for an answer". Adaptations should be able to stand on their own. This is an example of a bad or lousy rushed adaptation.


It wasn't my intention to sound like that. I only wanted to say that's solely anime's fault for not explaining this. You are obviously right here but it's really a minor detail in the grand scheme of things and as they are cramming 78 chapters into only 13 episodes it's only natural that some things are left out. Better postpone the explanation of Khun's bag's origins than to postpone or skip something that's really important.

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This is what makes it even harder to believe. Khun managed to beat these 3 nameless either in a free for all or in a 1 on 1 fights during the first trial wich had an already short period of time before he met Bam & Gator guy. Secondly, if these guys get carried to a superior level and get caught by the administrators (wich they did, but of course for plot convenience the admins are acting in a shady way) they could suffer penalties for cheating, from getting kicked out to probably their own lives (who knows how harsh or lenient can these test admins be). It's ridiculous that all 3 choose the same outcome. Also I kinda understand the level disparity from Khun to these mobs, but it's so farfetched that these guys that failed the first test are way stronger/clever in combat than all those other trash mobs that appeared in the last rounds of the crown game wich they managed to pass the previous tests.

Not really. If you go back to episode 1 and 2 you'll see that some people like Anaak and Hatz encountered many other people and defeated them. So it shouldn't come as a surprise.
As for your second point, it's true that they could've suffered some consequences but strictly speaking they didn't violate any rules up until the door test, which as you point out might've cost them a failure had Hansung not let it pass. In all the previous tests they had an opportunity to be freed from the bag before the test, they only risked during the door test and they got caught, but only because it was Hansung who administered the test. Incidentally, only because it was Hansung administering the test, they were allowed to pass. Also, why do you say that the "hidden team" failed previous tests? They didn't.

Kimurah said:

This becomes another story contrivance. During the first test Khun's line of thought was that Bam was strong just because he was carrying the Black March, but he didn't show any strenght or special abilities until the end of the Crowns game. Khun could had disolved the society at any point during the first test up to this point because there could had been a plethora of reasons how the Black March had ended on the hands of such a weakling like Bam (stolen from Yuri by a stronger/wiser group of thieves or just straight up killing Yuri by a stronger guy and using Bam just as a courier)

You are wrong. Khun didn't ally himself with Baam because he was strong. He did it because he saw the Black March. He even thought of Baam as very weak with no combat experience, abilites or powers. You might even say that he did it BECAUSE Baam was weak and it piqued his interest when combined with Baam having the Black March. The red guy Khun killed was certainly stronger than Baam, yet Khun didn't pick him. Rak was certainly stronger than Baam but Khun didn't really want to pick him. He only did it because they were pressed for time.

Kimurah said:

Again, you can't use the source as a troubleshoot manual, that only works if you're both a manga reader and an anime watcher, and I can asure you tons of us are anime onlys (and the reason why the first rule of every discussion thread has a disclaimer not to discuss about the source)

I also had explained previously that without confirmation on what Khun's bag can and can't do, you can't use the dialogue of the shinso wall teacher as an excuse that foreshadows his abilities because in a title focused completely in the fantasy genre, a lot can happen without setting boundaries first.

It wasn't my intention again. I only mentioned this to show you how early in the webtoon it's foreshadowed. And i'm not using one sentence from Hansung as an excuse. I'm using the scene of Khun crossing the barrier. In that scene it was heavily implied that something alive is in the bag. Watch other characters passing through the barrier, did their belongings got stuck? No. Did they have to actively use force to drag their stuff through the barrier? No. Didn't some of the characters need to use considerable strength to pass through the barrier? Yes. That means the probability of something alive being in Khun's bag is pretty high if not certain. I commented on anime only's noticing this to show you that a lot of people used their brains and deduced it without having an explicit manual of how the bag works presented to them beforehand. You are right when you say that a lot can happen in the fantasy world and how things work should be explained but you don't NEED to have a manual BEFORE something happens. Sometimes it's anticlimactic and ruins the "wow" moment.
Also, there should be one more moment in the 1st season where the explanation of Khun's bag would feel natural plot-wise, so if the anime decides to skip that moment then your argument will be 100% valid.
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Okay. Crown game was over with no win solution. So whats the deal to Anaak? Can she surrender and let Green April go or else? Now everything may come to nonsense.


The conditions of the bet were clear: if Baam wins the game he gets Green April, if he loses Anaak gets Black March. Baam lost the moment he stepped off the throne, thus Anaak gets the weapon. Even if the crown dissolved on Baam's head while he was sitting on the throne, he would lose the bet because there wouldn't be a winner, ergo he wouldn't win the game.

RinTheWanderer said:
Seems to be a little confusion. Pretty sure Anaak won the bet because Bam's team didn't win.

Bam having powers has been foreshadowed. You guys are kind of thinking in the wrong direction here. They created a situation for bam to show off his power as an irregular. It's not easy to force your way into the tower so clearly something is different about Bam, he just has amnesia and thus doesn't know how to use his powers. Theres enough set up even in the anime to support that possibility.

Khun having a team in the bag also makes plenty of sense. Yeah, it wasn't directly confirmed until he revealed it this episode. The people in the bag were all pretty much in a situation of accept his help or die so they all owe him their lives. The first test wasn't some even situation where only the strongest made it out. Even if you were second strongest, you could get taken out by the first strongest. Surviving the test doesn't really speak to how strong you are.

They give us not one, but two hints that there are people in the bag and I feel thats plenty. The show isn't obligated to reveal every characters tricks before the battles, they just need to leave room for them to reasonably have a trick up their sleeve. This reveals a lot about Khun here. He is someone that always wants to have a trick up his sleeve and he doesn't want to reveal any more of his power than is absolutely necessary. In a world with all sorts of fantastic items and powers, keeping your tricks a secret is vital to winning. Thats why he would use the other team at all. It wasn't so they could win round 4, it was so Khun could enter round 5 without revealing their strength. They are free to reveal just about anything in round 5 because if they win, they move to the next floor. It was a very sound strategy. Optimal even and if Bam hadn't been such a simp, probably would have worked. Well, ok, it wouldn't have but it would have given them the best chance. No one was beating red hair girl at this stage.


All on point, except the amnesia part. I feel like the anime is doing the story a disservice by using such a cliche when it wasn't present in the webtoon. It's just so overused that people are instantly biased against it when they hear the word "amnesia".
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If I recall he did have amnesia in the webtoon, they just weren't as explicit about it. He doesn't know how he got into that dark pit.
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If I recall he did have amnesia in the webtoon, they just weren't as explicit about it. He doesn't know how he got into that dark pit.


I'm pretty sure that everytime they talked about his past they used words "he doesn't know". The only time they might've used "he doesn't remember" was worded "he doesn't remember anything before meeting Rachel" as in every day before he met her was dull, uneventful and the same as a previous one.
Also, from the perspective of knowing his origins it doesn't make sense for him to have an amnesia.
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Bam is back at SIMPing again while unleashing some dangerous powers. I wonder what Rachel is doing there, though. Hopefully more details will be revealed about her soon.
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If I recall he did have amnesia in the webtoon, they just weren't as explicit about it. He doesn't know how he got into that dark pit.

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One more week and this is already the 5th chapter of Tower of God and my goodness!
Things get more and more interesting:

Rachel finally appeared

Lero ro supervisors already suspect that something is wrong

and Khun .. he is still the best character so far.

In short, the series that is shaping up to be the best of the season!
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Bam is back at SIMPing again while unleashing some dangerous powers. I wonder what Rachel is doing there, though. Hopefully more details will be revealed about her soon.


so like luffy is simping when he saved nico robin? xD
some of you all need to learn some dictionary definitions before going to discussion boards
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Kamax said:
Bam is back at SIMPing again while unleashing some dangerous powers. I wonder what Rachel is doing there, though. Hopefully more details will be revealed about her soon.


so like luffy is simping when he saved nico robin? xD
some of you all need to learn some dictionary definitions before going to discussion boards


He didn’t because SIMP wasn’t a thing at that time :P

On a serious note, it’s just a joke, don’t take it too seriously. Everyone is overusing this word, because it’s currently a trend, it will probably die out in a couple of months. I know the term might not be correct to use in this situation, but I just felt like using it.
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Kamax said:
Bam is back at SIMPing again while unleashing some dangerous powers. I wonder what Rachel is doing there, though. Hopefully more details will be revealed about her soon.


so like luffy is simping when he saved nico robin? xD
some of you all need to learn some dictionary definitions before going to discussion boards

no because luffy isnt a slave to robin like bam is too rachel

he literally said "i belong to her"
you cant really defend that
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YururuY said:


so like luffy is simping when he saved nico robin? xD
some of you all need to learn some dictionary definitions before going to discussion boards

no because luffy isnt a slave to robin like bam is too rachel

he literally said "i belong to her"
you cant really defend that


wow haha because care of parental figures is indicative of slavery
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ayaan692 said:

no because luffy isnt a slave to robin like bam is too rachel

he literally said "i belong to her"
you cant really defend that


wow haha because care of parental figures is indicative of slavery

dude even parents dont own you
the line "i belong to her" pretty much means "im her toy and she can do whatever she wants with me"
seriously how can you guys root for someone like that
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So... 5th episode from 13 episodes and here I am wondering why is everyone hyped about this. The anime feels so shallow and there isn't anything that would caught my attention just yet. Only one girl that goes by the name Rachel, who is a big walking plot hole.


yeah same. the fighting feels shallow and one sided, the panning is done so poor it makes me motion sick. the way that purple guy explains things is so cringy. I don't get why Rachel is such a bitch, standing still playing dead. Biggest disappointment was that "cute face" boy couldn't slice her up, that is the point in the game any way or what?? That shinsu attack was also a total ass pull.

Lero Ro was very interesting on the other hand. He is intriguing because we get to see what he thinks and he has some reactions. I hope to see more of him instead of dead face Bam
 
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this episode was something, my dude Bam when full psycho not as naruto hidden Beast Psycho but as SIMP Psycho but overall Great Episode 9/10
I can't wait for the next episode
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not sure if it's just me, but i feel like yuri and endorsi's voice should be reversed haha. doesn't really suit their character as much as it could imo haha


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Excuse the rant.
Oh god with the stupid beta male stereotype. omfg I've seen this a thousand times over in literally every other anime. stupid helpless pathetic male protagonist, stupid decisions, "oh i gotta go protect her, weee" I'm already over it. lol Do something original for f* sakes.

Bam is the definition of freakin copy/paste Bams character traits from all the beta male cuck anime protagonists in every other show out there.

I can pretty much predict his entire character from here on out.

Note: I have not read the webtoon. this is just obvious observational predictions. based on literally every anime his character is copy/pasted from.
She gonna tell him to forget her. "we're enemies now" or something like that. he's gonna say no. he's gonna be head over heels for her in life/death situations regardless of his own situation. He wont stop chasing her. There's no point to anything else because he has her now. He's gonna throw down his weapon and let her attack/kill him to show commitment.
He won't hurt her regardless of the situation, even when shes forcing him to attack/kill/hurt her. Bam gonna tell her "we can see the stars together now" or something.
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YururuY said:
ayaan692 said:

dude even parents dont own you
the line "i belong to her" pretty much means "im her toy and she can do whatever she wants with me"
seriously how can you guys root for someone like that


that just means you have no empathy, you are probably a sociopath
you just can't comprehend and empathize with baams existence in the slightest
dude has literally lived all his live inside a cave without even sunlight until he met rachel

seriously if u don't like it drop it and move on, ur comments are unsightly and add nothing of value to this thread

and now to explain something else to you
a simp is by default someone with ROMANTIC feelings and hopes of winning a female over for SEXUAL purposes, which baam outright denied right before he said that "he belongs to her"

btw if it was Khun or any Dude who found him instead of rachel it would be EXACTLY THE SAME SITUATION, because thats just the kind of cirumstance he was in, he views her as friend and family, as more than that, the only person he has known and the only other thing he has known apart from the dark walls of his cave, he has no internet, no world to go out and do stuff, he was alone, in a cave, for god you know how long

if it was khun who found him or shibisu, and they went off like rachel, he would be "simping" after khun / shibisu?

right, he wouldn't because that word doesn't apply towards males, which means it also doesnt apply if romance is not involved therefore he is not a simp

i hope that convinved you, if it didn't, then i have my confirmation that either you simply can not comprehend logic, or you are a troll and then that basically invalidates everything u have ever said and will ever say in these threads so yeah.


Kamax said:


He didn’t because SIMP wasn’t a thing at that time :P

On a serious note, it’s just a joke, don’t take it too seriously. Everyone is overusing this word, because it’s currently a trend, it will probably die out in a couple of months. I know the term might not be correct to use in this situation, but I just felt like using it.


yea its like calling someone who opens a door for a girl a simp, or rapist, hey everyone who looks in the general direction of a girl , lets all call them rapists from now on because its just a joke and the misuse of words isn't derogatory towards anyone


Dude, take a chill pill.

Bam is a fictional character, not a sentient one. I am pretty sure he is not going on MAL discussion boards, reading comments about himself and taking offense. My comment didn't have any ill-intent, I didn't mean to hurt anyone by it, but you started attacking random people and calling them sociopaths. Stop taking everything so freaking seriously.

Anyway, I will stop replying now, this is an anime episode discussion, not an insult contest, this is getting way too off topic.
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