Farmaceut said: Honestly I am not sure how this bot scores work. Do they remove scores of accounts with only 1 score for 1 series? Accounts with suspicious behaviour like created recently? If so then why complain about the current situation when the "fake" scores are already accounted for? yuzuruhanyuu said: oh I didnt see the all members tab, mb within the first page of Kaguya S2 I found kurumayo97 - 10 Watching 12 / 12 mzo_exe - 8 Completed 12 / 12 MadHoundKiller - 7 Completed 12 / 12 Littleluke650 - 9 Completed 12 / 12 and a couple more 12/12 without ratings. haven't seen any 13/13 in first page of ToG maybe things have updated since. My point is that this is not a problem unique to ToG, every series with source materials will have fans doing the same thing, it's a system problem not a ToG problem. Your thread might be more useful in the system suggestion thread than here when no one here can do anything about it As a someone who watches both shows i can tell you that after the 1st episode Kaguya-sam had a score of 7.85 and ToG had 8.2 day or 2 after the scores where changed to take into account all the bots/boost scores,after that Kaguya-sama score went to 8.8/8.7 and ToG to 7.9. Also for all saying things like: 1: 0.2% (65 votes) 10: 27.6% (7658 votes) mean something they need to look up the statistics of any anime with 8+ score.... xkazutox said: oh wow, they really shouldn't allow the option to export and import the list, idk why did they think it's a good idea. To me it's just inviting for abuseMAL isn't the place to take rating seriously to begin with after what happen with Ishuzoku Reviewers incident. Remember that on MAL, even if it's bot or not, people had to option to export the list and import to the newly created new accounts. I can imagine there are people out there abusing this system to avoid mods from cleaning them. Either way, the ones that had to suffer are the forum moderators now that they have more work to do. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: you know what why can't he just watch the show himself and judge for himself. why does the score even matter to him. Damerino said: All I have to say about this is that I don't like it too much and that's precisely because I haven't read the source material. Maybe if I get up to date with the manwha, I could root for the main character, but as for now I'm not liking it too much. I'll see, maybe it really gets better in the anime. Which is absolutely unimportant to what is happening right now with the fake accounts. Damerino said: hype is based on other's preferences, so I don't see what's miserable for having a different preference from others. there's really no harm not liking a popular series, only you can decide what you like. yuzuruhanyuu said: All I have to say about this is that I don't like it too much and that's precisely because I haven't read the source material. Maybe if I get up to date with the manwha, I could root for the main character, but as for now I'm not liking him or any other character too much. I'll see, maybe it really gets better in the anime. I hope it gets honestly. Because all of this hype is for nothing would be miserable.yea and I wrote a long ass review about how ToG is a very specific genre that will not appeal to everybody. People liked it because the author already had the plot planned out 10 years ago and are feeding us bit by bit in canon, very few stories today are like that and it does well in that aspect. If you like different stuff of course it will suck to you. That's like judging an Epic Fantasy series with the standard of High Fantasy or otherwise. ToG is not the best in everything, but it's pretty good in the scale of worldbuilding which people liked that's all. |
YESTORAKS said: yea and people are allowed to think that this anime is great too, even if they have questionable preferences and you disagree with them. yuzuruhanyuu said: Publicly available stats also show that Kaguya S2 has unusually high rating at 8.81 for a week after airing the first ep, ranking it higher than Death Note and other classics. Currently the rating is at 8.78, breakdown is like this 1: 0.2% (65 votes) 10: 27.6% (7658 votes) with only 2 ep out. Must be bots then? yuzuruhanyuu said: I think that anime was great, maybe a lot of people vote 10.Publicly available stats also show that Kaguya S2 has unusually high rating at 8.81 for a week after airing the first ep, ranking it higher than Death Note and other classics. Currently the rating is at 8.78, breakdown is like this 1: 0.2% (65 votes) 10: 27.6% (7658 votes) with only 2 ep out. Must be bots then? Inbred said: thanks!yuzuruhanyuu said: Honestly I am not sure how this bot scores work. Do they remove scores of accounts with only 1 score for 1 series? Accounts with suspicious behaviour like created recently? If so then why complain about the current situation when the "fake" scores are already accounted for? https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1824703 Check this out. It’s explained in depth and shows the changes they’ve made |
yuzuruhanyuu said: Farmaceut said: Honestly I am not sure how this bot scores work. Do they remove scores of accounts with only 1 score for 1 series? Accounts with suspicious behaviour like created recently? If so then why complain about the current situation when the "fake" scores are already accounted for? As a someone who watches both shows i can tell you that after the 1st episode Kaguya-sam had a score of 7.85 and ToG had 8.2 day or 2 after the scores where changed to take into account all the bots/boost scores,after that Kaguya-sama score went to 8.8/8.7 and ToG to 7.9. Also for all saying things like: 1: 0.2% (65 votes) 10: 27.6% (7658 votes) mean something they need to look up the statistics of any anime with 8+ score.... I'm not 100% sure if i remember correctly but if a large number off accs rate the same show with the same score (i presume extremely high or low) in a short amount of time. there was a detailed explenation when they implemented this system,since im not sure if i remember it correctly i'll try to find it and post it here... *Edit: Looks like @Inbred did my job already,Thanks Inbred! |
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yuzuruhanyuu said: xkazutox said: oh wow, they really shouldn't allow the option to export and import the list, idk why did they think it's a good idea. To me it's just inviting for abuseMAL isn't the place to take rating seriously to begin with after what happen with Ishuzoku Reviewers incident. Remember that on MAL, even if it's bot or not, people had to option to export the list and import to the newly created new accounts. I can imagine there are people out there abusing this system to avoid mods from cleaning them. Either way, the ones that had to suffer are the forum moderators now that they have more work to do. It's there for the list recovery. I once forgot my MAL account pw back in 2008. When I decided to use MAL again, it take me roughly 3 days to trace back over 300 series I completed series and all the ptw ones. It's pretty convenient to have the export option, you could also import to anilist. |
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YESTORAKS said: um I didnt say you hate it, I'm just making a point that high stats doesn't necessarily means botting, that's all. Thank you for giving it a chance. yuzuruhanyuu said: First of all, i hate that you said I "hate" this series. I never said that this anime was trash, or something negativity. I never obsessed with this anime, I just felt disappointed about the story lines and thats it. BTW, this anime getting better.yea and people are allowed to think that this anime is great too, even if they have questionable preferences and you disagree with them. xkazutox said: I see. Seems like more safeguards need to be in place to prevent abuse, I'm sure there are ways to do it. yuzuruhanyuu said: oh wow, they really shouldn't allow the option to export and import the list, idk why did they think it's a good idea. To me it's just inviting for abuse It's there for the list recovery. I once forgot my MAL account pw back in 2008. When I decided to use MAL again, it take me roughly 3 days to trace back over 300 series I completed series and all the ptw ones. It's pretty convenient to have the export option, you could also import to anilist. Farmaceut said: makes sense, thanks!yuzuruhanyuu said: Honestly I am not sure how this bot scores work. Do they remove scores of accounts with only 1 score for 1 series? Accounts with suspicious behaviour like created recently? If so then why complain about the current situation when the "fake" scores are already accounted for? I'm not 100% sure if i remember correctly but if a large number off accs rate the same show with the same score (i presume extremely high or low) in a short amount of time. there was a detailed explenation when they implemented this system,since im not sure if i remember it correctly i'll try to find it and post it here... *Edit: Looks like @Inbred did my job already,Thanks Inbred! |
Daniel_Naumov said: The votes are, however, clearly immature and pre-mature as they are not concerned with the series itself, but with the fact "what" the series is - that Kaguya-sama that they liked from the previous season. It is too soon to judge these ratings as we have an ongoing season. When the season is finished and the votes are updated (hopefull properly), we will move on to deciding whether they are fair or the children still cannot properly evaluate art and entertainment. . I think this applies to ToG as well. Fans liked the story from the source material and will judge things prematurely. When the season is over, hopefully those who haven't voted (around 80% of them) will give a more accurate score. Also you still think that people had an obligation to rate "art and entertainment" properly? Dream on lol. People vote whatever they like and no one can stop them. Most people just use this site to keep track of what fits their taste, not to help you judge whether a series fits YOUR standard of what is "good". Daniel_Naumov said: I took 10 minutes and checked the first 10 pages of Kaguya something something. Apparently, the amount of blatant "10"-votes accounts is absolutely neglectable. I am sure someone has one or two of them, but in the broad sense of ratings they do not amount to much. the new episode also haven't updated yet, while ToG was updated on Wed. I'd suspect each new ep updating will invite a fresh round of scores from the most zealous which is where all the "suspicious" scores come from, while the rest trickle in over the week which is why Kaguya seems normal for now, it's been a week since the last ep was updated. I just checked the first few pages of ToG, and those who voted 10 are very few and far between with profile pics, or an existing list, so honestly it depends on when you check it imo. Also sample size really doesn't mean much because of the above reason, to really change things we should bring it to the mods, not here where the fans literally can't do anything about it. It's not like those who brigade will stop when they see your post, nor can we control who's brigading. In the end you have to keep in mind that ToG is unlike other anime, which are adapted from manga materials. Most of what they read are Webtoons which are typically not listed on MAL, because most don't have print publications. Many ToG fans don't usually have MAL accounts, and only came in to support ToG. A lot of toxic comments from the forums were shared in other ToG communities, which is probably why they came in with literally new accounts with 10 score to defend it. |
yuzuruhanyuuApr 24, 2020 8:17 AM
| Well damn. I visit the site for anime suggestions and other stuff for some time now. I never registered an account, never needed to anyway. So a few weeks before the new season begins, I see ToG on the list and decided to create an account just for the notifications. Are you telling me that if I had scored the pilot episode a 10(gave it an 8), I would've been considered a bot? Edit: I suck at formatting(strikethrough). "days" changed to "weeks" |
yuzuruhanyuu said: Daniel_Naumov said: I care about the fact of misuse itself. If no one ever cared, U.S. would have never become free or united, and this website would have never existed. Not... exactly the point I am trying to make, but caring is important if one is to consider themselves a decent human being. Only animals exist without a single care in the world. Thank you, updated the list. Daniel_Naumov said: 1. I don't deny that there may be a bot problem. I did hear about incidents in the past. But some of the profiles you linked doesn't seem like bots, they have a list of their favourite series and such. What's wrong with only watching anime that you like and scoring them 10, instead of taking the effort for "accuracy" by adding series that they dislike and rating it low? As many of you have noticed, this platform has recently had to engage in a futile, fruitless fight against numerous accounts and bots meant to damage its credibility, relevance of its systems and the value of art evaluation itself. This series, which I neither care about nor do want to know it exists, it a target of another platform rules violation by numerous fake accounts. I would like concerned people to message or address the establishment after you see this, so that they may acknowledge the threat and start on correcting it. Let's go: Right now there is about 18% of "10" votes. Let's deconstruct them in a simple way. First: fake account created for the sole reason to boost the rating. https://myanimelist.net/profile/Starsing https://myanimelist.net/profile/ArUl261091 Fake account which also claims it has viewed all 13 episodes. Which is not statistically possible. https://myanimelist.net/profile/losaaaa https://myanimelist.net/profile/KhunAguero86_ https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hafizhpik https://myanimelist.net/profile/gou369 Consider this a fake account which rates everything "10"? Invalidates the rating system as much. https://myanimelist.net/profile/Febrianti14_ These are the first 5 pages of publicly available rating statistics. According to them, at least 45% (7 out of 15 if I am not mistaken) of all the "10" votes come from either questionable or outright bot accounts. These are only the first pages, consider the peak of bot activity transpired during the initial release of the first episode. Second: accounts which put the series on 13/13 meaning "completed watching it" and also voted it 10, but do have a history of platform use to warrant them not blatantly bot. Lots of them, again, publicly available. Hopefully this does not turn out like the other entry when a youtuber forced his followers to abuse the rating system on this website. Some people just use this site to keep track of their favourite series, what's wrong with that? Do you really think that most of the people here don't judge by emotion, and give a fair score? Not every user is the ambassador of "accurate rating" for "valuation of art", if you honestly think so you're totally out of touch with the users. Almost all the users I see in MAL have questionable rating systems that is totally influenced by their subjective preferences instead of an objective standard of what is good or not. I've seen seinen judged with shonen standard and absolutely trashed because of that, and people trashing series from genres they don't like, instead of judging how good that series is in the genre itself. Too much panties - 5/10? It's an ecchi series dude. Too boring - 5/10? Multiple top reviews expect a shonen MC with lots of backbone when the series is a seinen story about the MC recovering from severe depression. You can't gatekeep subjective rating. A lot of fans rated based on how much the animation/art impressed them, even though the story is shit. And the entire MAL database is just a popularity contest about which genre the members like best, rather than promoting diversity by rating the series on how well it does in their respective genres (which classification system still leaves a lot to be desired). What did MAL do about it? 2. If you check the stats for the source material, it only has 27k members as of now, which pales in comparison to other manhwas Solo Leveling (60k members) and Noblesse (68k members). You'd think if everyone who liked this series are bots, they'd try to boost the source material too? ToG wasn't even added to MAL until Nov 2019, and many fans who don't usually watch anime created accounts just to support it. There were a lot of toxic trashing in the 1st ep which were shared on other ToG communities, and that undoubtedly led to fans coming in to defend the series. What's wrong with that? Perhaps if MAL is capable of having respectful discussions, and weeding out trolls who provoke reaction for no reason (saw plenty of new accounts made just to trash on ToG too), by allowing members to decide the quality of the contribution instead of giving equal weight to all posts regardless (that's like giving climate change deniers "equal voice" when they represent 3% of the actual people who know what they're talking about), and stop rewarding baity titles because threads are arranged by most recently replied, then maybe things wouldn't turn out this way? I'll leave the bot investigation to the mods, but until then I'd refrain from judging it just because I disagree with the scores. There's probably a lot of fans scoring it high no doubt, but the anime page already has 6x the members of the source material (173k members as of now), and many haven't cast their scores yet (78% haven't rated the series). The general sentiment in the forums also reflect other anime-only communities, so unless you're saying they're all fan bots too and true anime-only don't exist, then you be you. For every bot that boosts ToG, there are also fake accounts that are created just to trash ToG. Too many times I have seen the entire discussion thread derailed by 1 or 2 people who are hell bent on disliking the series but still stay in the thread for some reason, and provoking reactions instead of making contributory discussions. Too many times I have seen accounts created in April 2020, with no favs, no other series, and the first post is to trash on ToG in the forums, and then shortly after another similar account replies to agree with it. Why didn't you mention that then? 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| The votes are, however, clearly immature and pre-mature as they are not concerned with the series itself, but with the fact "what" the series is - that Kaguya-sama that they liked from the previous season. It is too soon to judge these ratings as we have an ongoing season. When the season is finished and the votes are updated (hopefull properly), we will move on to deciding whether they are fair or the children still cannot properly evaluate art and entertainment. Which is not the case with THIS series. It is a target of open bot warfare as everyone has hopefully realized by now.[/quote] I agree that its maybe pre-mature but people watched 2 episodes that came out and scored it based on how much they liked those episodes( i dont see that big of a problem in that),once the season is over we will see the real score. When it comes to ToG you found 6/15 accs that are probably bots but i dont think its fair to say that 40% of all 10's " come from either questionable or outright bot accounts" since 5818 accs rated it 10 and you have a sample with 15 accs. If you really think that there is a "open bot warfare" the best thing you can do is contact the Mods about it. Have nice day!(or Night :D ) |
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| It doesn't even matter because they're not counted in the aggregate score (most at least from my understanding). They updated their system. |
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| Interspecies Reviews negative reviews got boosted to hell and back. LMAO. So did Nekopara's. |
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| I think Most of them Probably just a new MAL Users, maybe they're webtoon readers, fans of ToG webtoon and made a MAL account just to rate ToG. And just Fyi, theres Many webtoon readers that don't know much nor watch much anime nor read manga, i've seen a lot of comments and even top comments in webtoons that failed to notice anime and manga references and even they mistake it to think that references was from another series in webtoon, not manga and anime. And I think it's make sense for them to only rate ToG without rating any other series in MAL because many of them doesnt know much about anime in general, or even they dont care much about any other anime, in MAL. |
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RebelPanda said: It's not they got boosted, it's just people finally realised how bad that fucking show was.Interspecies Reviews negative reviews got boosted to hell and back. LMAO. |
Damerino said: RebelPanda said: It's not they got boosted, it's just people finally realised how bad that fucking show was.Interspecies Reviews negative reviews got boosted to hell and back. LMAO. They were boosted, MAL even made a post about it. Anyway I feel like this happens to every series here, don't think it's getting any particularly heavy botting. |
Lightprayer said: OP meant the negative reviews that are on top and not the anime itself. I have seen the post tho.Damerino said: It's not they got boosted, it's just people finally realised how bad that fucking show was. They were boosted, MAL even made a post about it. Anyway I feel like this happens to every series here, don't think it's getting any particularly heavy botting. Yes it does, especially something popular and/or controversial. |
Damerino said: 220 votes 1s Almost 6k 10s I think the evidence is pretty much clear and most of them are source readers. So...what is that supposed to mean? Do you expect the number of 1 and 10 ratings to be the same???? |
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Damerino said: RebelPanda said: It's not they got boosted, it's just people finally realised how bad that fucking show was.Interspecies Reviews negative reviews got boosted to hell and back. LMAO. 1. 500 upvotes in two days 2. The score is still high 3. There are few or no comments on the profiles of the reviewers relating to Interspecies. This has happened many times in the past. I have been noting it since my Bunny Girl Senpai review got upvoted 400 times overnight, then mods found out the accounts were bots and my review dropped 400 votes. Not afraid to admit the positive Ishuzoku reviews were probably bot upvoted too. I would rather trust a trend that has happened over the past two years than an angry troll who made his profile a month ago and has his comments/messages closed, yet still shits on other reviewers in their comments. You could not be any shadier, I don't hesitate to say you have some relation to the illegitimate bot upvoting. |
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_simplethoughts said: It means the show has been boosted to hell by manhwa readers as opposed to anime only watcher. That's all.Damerino said: 220 votes 1s Almost 6k 10s I think the evidence is pretty much clear and most of them are source readers. So...what is that supposed to mean? Do you expect the number of 1 and 10 ratings to be the same???? |
GhostRO123 said: MAL is in a serious need of CAPTCHA-like tests. MAL has CAPTCHA tests. It has not slowed the issue. What they need is a rule restricting new users from scoring anime/upvoting reviews within 24 hours after making an account. |
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yuzuruhanyuu said: Btw AlphaOmegaKnight is a known troll from theAnimeSnob, don’t fall for his bait. Snob atleast has points he makes that Tower of God is just shit and not that good. |
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RebelPanda said: 1 - That seem to be normal. Every popular anime or manga gets high likes. This may be a different case because of all Nux thing but that doesn't change the fact every seasonal anime gets high likes since those anime are fresh on people's mind.Damerino said: It's not they got boosted, it's just people finally realised how bad that fucking show was. 1. 500 upvotes in two days 2. The score is still high 3. There are few or no comments on the profiles of the reviewers relating to Interspecies. This has happened many times in the past. I have been noting it since my Bunny Girl Senpai review got upvoted 400 times overnight, then mods found out the accounts were bots and my review dropped 400 votes. Not afraid to admit the positive Ishuzoku reviews were probably bot upvoted too. I would rather trust a trend that has happened over the past two years than an angry troll who made his profile a month ago and has his comments/messages closed, yet still shits on other reviewers in their comments. You could not be any shadier, I don't hesitate to say you have some relation to the illegitimate bot upvoting. 2 - The score of the show? It should be lower but probably a lot of 10s still counts on its score afterall. 3 - That means apsolutely nothing. So you're saying that one should have thousands of comments and friends to be legit when reviewing something? I don't bend that way. As for Bunny girl senpai, I have no takes on that. You could be lying but then again that might be true but it would have been lot more reasons to that. Only done once since she was just comparing it to every fucking moe show ever. That's harsh m8. If I were you I wouldn't just accuse someone for being guilty of the upvoting thing just because I have my comments disabled. You don't even know me. |
Electroclash said: i can't tell what's sadder: people creating accounts to give a 10 to shit they like or people going out of their way to find said accounts How is that hard to tell? One of those is a normal thing to do when you like something, and the other is something only an obsessive weirdo would do. |
Damerino said: _simplethoughts said: It means the show has been boosted to hell by manhwa readers as opposed to anime only watcher. That's all.So...what is that supposed to mean? Do you expect the number of 1 and 10 ratings to be the same???? Translation: Because I don't like this show, any 10/10 ratings must be fake and came from bots. There is no way people can like things that I don't like. 🤡 |
Damerino said: Funny how the number of people who rated the anime (33k out of 174k, roughly 18% of members rated the series) is more than the total members of the Webtoon page (27k). You'd think they'd try to boost that too, when other similar manhwas like Noblesse and Solo Levelling got over 60k members. I remember posting the MAL link for the webtoon page on multiple ToG communities, asking them to add it to their database, and you know what? Very few did. A large majority just don't give af, you overestimate their numbers there. _simplethoughts said: It means the show has been boosted to hell by manhwa readers as opposed to anime only watcher. That's all.So...what is that supposed to mean? Do you expect the number of 1 and 10 ratings to be the same???? Roughly 13% of Kaguya S2 members rated the series too, that's not too far off from ToG's ratio. In the long run webtoon readers have no power over the anime-only, the anime page already has 6x the members of the webtoon page and it's still growing. This site is primarily meant for anime watchers, very small number of webtoon readers come over, because most of what they read is not in the database. Yes there'll definitely be a boost, but when the series end most will give their scores, and you cannot fight sheer numbers there. The anime population is just that much bigger than the readers population here. |
Daniel_Naumov said: lol _simplethoughts said: How is that hard to tell? One of those is a normal thing to do when you like something, and the other is something only an obsessive weirdo would do. Precisely. We like clean and fair platforms. The obsessions of others will have to be taken with the psychiatrists, not with the already abused rating system. - wants a clean and fair platform - raises the issue here where literally no one can do anything about it rather than bring it to the mod's attention ok Also you can never get a clean and fair platform with the current system. Most people rate too subjectively and cross-genre brigading is a thing. I highly doubt a majority of MAL users rate series fairly in the first place, too many use their subjective preference as a "guide". Perhaps those people are actual fans who previously weren't captured in the MAL system, but joined just to support ToG, because of the sheer amount of toxicity in this forum shared on other platforms? Every time a new episode airs, I've seen multiple screenshots and links of toxic comments here shared on FB, Reddit, and discord, and it's not surprising for people to retaliate this way. Your criteria can easily be done by humans rather than bots for various reasons. At any rate, in the long run webtoon readers have no power over the anime-only, the anime page already has 6x the members of the webtoon page and it's still growing. This site is primarily meant for anime watchers, very small number of webtoon readers come over, because most of what they read is not in the database. Yes there'll definitely be a boost, but when the series end most will give their scores, and you cannot fight sheer numbers there. The anime population is just that much bigger than the readers population here. I've linked the MAL Webtoon page to the communities multiple times, and very few of them added it to their database in the end. Also if you want actual change, raise it to the mods. I doubt you can make any difference here, unless that's not the point of you making this thread. |
yuzuruhanyuuApr 24, 2020 10:13 AM
RebelPanda said: GhostRO123 said: MAL is in a serious need of CAPTCHA-like tests. MAL has CAPTCHA tests. It has not slowed the issue. What they need is a rule restricting new users from scoring anime/upvoting reviews within 24 hours after making an account. You're referring to the registration? Yes, I know about that. It seems I wasn't very specific in my previous comment. I meant that they should somehow implement it in the scoring system as well. |
| It's probable these "bot" accounts were made manually. In that case it's not something MAL's detection system would pick up. If they are bots, their scores will be shown on Stats, but not factored into the actual aggregate itself. Consider that episode 4 was the best received episode of the show yet, and because the show is popular a lot of people are picking it up quickly. An influx of 10s (and maybe a few fakes) doesn't seem like the craziest thing to me. |
GhostRO123 said: yep some form of safeguard is definitely needed, I wonder why they haven't implemented it yet after so many incidents in the pastRebelPanda said: MAL has CAPTCHA tests. It has not slowed the issue. What they need is a rule restricting new users from scoring anime/upvoting reviews within 24 hours after making an account. You're referring to the registration? Yes, I know about that. It seems I wasn't very specific in my previous comment. I meant that they should somehow implement it in the scoring system as well. |
| So I just calculated the score of Tower of God manually. It comes to 8.03. And the current score is 8.0. Seems the system to ignore bots is working well enough. And as people have said, just because you don't think that the series is worth a 10 doesn't mean that they were rated by bots. So the series which has the most 10s should also have a great number of bots, right? And every member on MAL should have watched at least 1000 anime and given scores that you would agree with for them to not be considered bots? |
| I gave it a 10, I-I am bot ?! I didn't know.... |
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GhostRO123 said: RebelPanda said: MAL has CAPTCHA tests. It has not slowed the issue. What they need is a rule restricting new users from scoring anime/upvoting reviews within 24 hours after making an account. You're referring to the registration? Yes, I know about that. It seems I wasn't very specific in my previous comment. I meant that they should somehow implement it in the scoring system as well. Detering people from scoring anime would be the fastest way for MAL to lose users. That kind of change would never happen because it'd be more harmful than the bots. A 24 rule for new users would deter bots because they're made one after another by only a few sources, this is how it works on any site (IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic). Bots almost always log in once then never again because they're throw away accounts. |
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Damerino said: RebelPanda said: 1 - That seem to be normal. Every popular anime or manga gets high likes. This may be a different case because of all Nux thing but that doesn't change the fact every seasonal anime gets high likes since those anime are fresh on people's mind.1. 500 upvotes in two days 2. The score is still high 3. There are few or no comments on the profiles of the reviewers relating to Interspecies. This has happened many times in the past. I have been noting it since my Bunny Girl Senpai review got upvoted 400 times overnight, then mods found out the accounts were bots and my review dropped 400 votes. Not afraid to admit the positive Ishuzoku reviews were probably bot upvoted too. I would rather trust a trend that has happened over the past two years than an angry troll who made his profile a month ago and has his comments/messages closed, yet still shits on other reviewers in their comments. You could not be any shadier, I don't hesitate to say you have some relation to the illegitimate bot upvoting. 2 - The score of the show? It should be lower but probably a lot of 10s still counts on its score afterall. 3 - That means apsolutely nothing. So you're saying that one should have thousands of comments and friends to be legit when reviewing something? I don't bend that way. As for Bunny girl senpai, I have no takes on that. You could be lying but then again that might be true but it would have been lot more reasons to that. Only done once since she was just comparing it to every fucking moe show ever. That's harsh m8. If I were you I wouldn't just accuse someone for being guilty of the upvoting thing just because I have my comments disabled. You don't even know me. 1. That's blatantly untrue, there are so many examples contradicting that. The Nux thing was positive, the logical end of your point is that the negative reviews would have been pushed to the bottom, not up. 2. The mods solved this problem, not everyone who gives Ishuzoku a 10 is a troll. 3. You misconstrued what I said. If someone posts a review that is popular relative to the show, chances are it is the source of controversy (see literally every highly scored review ever). I don't care how you "bend" I care about the facts, and the fact is, you're dishonest. Right, because I have a reason to lie about my review getting hundreds of illegitimate upvotes. I have nothing to gain by saying my review got onto the page because of bots, it is not something to be proud of. You're right I don't know you, I only know the person you put out online, and he's pretty vile. I saw the comment you posted on Inferno's page, and the fact that you have comments and messages blocked makes you more dishonest. If that's not indicative of bad character, I don't know what is. |
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| This want to have such a high score stems from kpop stan's hunger for attention, they want people to indulge in the content that they like without taking into consideration the fact that people have opinions that can differ. 90% of people who gave it a 10 are fans of the source, and for most, fans of kpop. kpop stans have proven multiple times that they want people to consume their favorite media without considering others' opinions, leading to situations like this, where they want the show to have a high score so that people who don't know it think it's actually good, when it's average at best. Sure, some anime-only people like the show, but the overall consensus from the anime-only community on this show is that it's mediocre. But they can't have that, if it has a 6-7/10 people will look at it as just another seasonal! So what do they do? They resort to making accounts to upvote the show, a technique that's been tried and tested just this year! This show doesn't deserve the score it has, and this problem is mostly why i'm against adaptations of korean media, call me what you want, that's my take on it, agree ir disagree, complaints go in my PM's. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: Inferno792 said: So I just calculated the score of Tower of God manually. It comes to 8.03. And the current score is 8.0. Seems the system to ignore bots is working well enough. And as people have said, just because you don't think that the series is worth a 10 doesn't mean that they were rated by bots. So the series which has the most 10s should also have a great number of bots, right? And every member on MAL should have watched at least 1000 anime and given scores that you would agree with for them to not be considered bots? SethBigBoss said: I gave it a 10, I-I am bot ?! I didn't know.... If you have missed the whole opening remark and the list of bot accounts which you can compare, then I am not interested in your contribution to the thread. Doubting existence of bots or asking what constitutes a bot makes it clear this area of expertise is simply beyond you. And I am not an internet security lector either, you will have to excuse me. So, according to you, any new account made a fan of ToG who didn't previously have an account on MAL, is a bot? Ok, genius! Have fun finding all the bots on this site. Good luck. You'll need plenty of it. |
yuzuruhanyuu said: For every bot that boosts ToG, there are also fake accounts that are created just to trash ToG. Too many times I have seen the entire discussion thread derailed by 1 or 2 people who are hell bent on disliking the series but still stay in the thread for some reason, and provoking reactions instead of making contributory discussions. Too many times I have seen accounts created in April 2020, with no favs, no other series, and the first post is to trash on ToG in the forums, and then shortly after another similar account replies to agree with it. Why didn't you mention that then? Nice, you didn't mention the heaps of accounts made in April 2020 that made reviews after episodes 1,2 and 3 came out with 10/10 reviews. There's bad guys on both sides, no need to deny it |
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RebelPanda said: GhostRO123 said: You're referring to the registration? Yes, I know about that. It seems I wasn't very specific in my previous comment. I meant that they should somehow implement it in the scoring system as well. Detering people from scoring anime would be the fastest way for MAL to lose users. That kind of change would never happen because it'd be more harmful than the bots. A 24 rule for new users would deter bots because they're made one after another by only a few sources, this is how it works on any site (IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic). Bots almost always log in once then never again because they're throw away accounts. Honestly, I don't see how it would deter the users since they would just be one click away from confirming that they're not bots and continue to rate the anime. A 24-hours restriction for new accounts might sound good in theory but those bots could just as easily wait for the ban to pass and then continue to mess up the score of said anime. And I don't think there is a point in widening that range to a 48-hours restriction either since they will do the same thing and the result won't change. Also, if they were to make it even bigger (like a few days or a week at max) it would do more harm than good. |
GhostRO123Apr 24, 2020 10:58 AM
| Curious about the mention of IMDb as a valid alternative when it's an even worse case of mass boosting or downvoting out there. I was reading a discussion yesterday about how the "top1000 users" have a habit of spamming 1 ratings into everything they don't want to be in the top250. As for this thread, it's absurd to act all shocked because some ratings are or don't seem legit. First because there's a new system that aims to take care of this, second because there's no minimally popular entry on MAL without its share of rating bots. |
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