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| I think it's important that I include this into the discussion: In this video, they explain what I'm talking about, but when Magase was included into the episode, after Seizaki's realization and when he starts explaining that he thinks she is convincing these people to commit suicide simply by walking by, she begins to take control [of the camera, and other things]. The guy in the video explains that she does this in the interrogation scene, and you can see in his video what he's talking about; the cinematic black bars disappear, the camera engulfs her face instead of being locked onto the entire scene, etc. This episode seems to include that as well. We can see that she is most definitely in control. Another thing; During the final scene, the view is constantly changed to show us Seizaki's wife and kid, and I believe this could mean one of two things, or maybe even both: 1. This could simply be a way for the show to get us to begin thinking about Seizaki's family and all things related to the way he views good and evil. 2. This also could be a hint to us, the viewers, that Magase's next target is Seizaki's family. Whoever said that Torao and Sekuro were sure to be killed by Magase, fuck you for being right |
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| Great episode I was just going to drop it if this episode sucked |
| How would Seizaki deal with an irregular existence that is beyond the likes of Hitler, anti-christ and Satan? hmmmm 5/5!!! after all those readings, if Seizaki isn't a match to Ai Magase, then one option would be a deaf hitman who can't read lips is a perfect weakness to Magase...hahah |
matias067Nov 19, 2019 9:25 PM
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| Oh my god... that last scene hit me so hard I actually had tears running down my face out of complete shock. It really sucks that we'll have to wait more than a month for the next episode. |
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| Was not ready for that kind of violence in this anime, gonna add this ep that hurted my neck if only sekuro listened to seizaki Poor kujiin and that was a cruel way to kill sekuro Should really run for it |
MurukoHiiragiNov 19, 2019 10:33 PM
"Everyone fails sometimes But dreams won't fade, dreams won't fade Let's chase them as many times as it takes and don't lose Because today after all is today and once you wake up, it'll be a new morning" ~Aqours~ |
| just read some spoilers of the novel, i don't think i like it. i'll just wait until the anime ends, then i'll marathon it. |
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Azazin said: I hope they can give us a good explanation why Magase got those superhuman abilities. Right now Babylon is a mess, and they want to 'shock' us instead of giving us a suspense and halfway decent thriller. The suicide topic could be used for an interesting thought-provoking plot about pros and cons of suicide or about good/evil, but they go for cheap thrills instead. So when Johann from Monster has pseudo-magical powers of persuasion which are never explained it's somehow deep and realistic, but when Ai has somewhat similar powers here, they're in need of explanation? I agree that the show is somewhat of a mess right now though, the authors are basically giving away who the "good" side is, which means the show is no longer even about suicide and its ramifications at this point, it's just a thriller without anything particularly interesting to say. |
| Simply wow! Script, direction, animation 10/10. MAGASE has been truly a wonderful villain, we all hate her now. The question is what will happen to Seizaki. I didn't read the manga so I'll just torture myself waiting for the next episode. |
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| This episode is shocking, but I still can’t understand what is Ai’s power is? How does she kill everyone? What is this show supposed to be, a supranatural? Since I can’t really accept it with my logic that such a person (affecting someone to just kill themselves) exist. Unless they decide to properly cover it, I’m afraid I can’t take this show seriously |
| @Daniel_Naumov how am I missing the point? Up to this very episode this show was by all accounts and purposes about suicide. It dropped the pretense, and now it isn't. It also isn't about what you said it is, since that's not even a theme, just a (brief) summary of the plot. The real theme is what was the secondary theme up to this point: the nature of justice. Wether Babylon has anything interesting to say about it remains to be seen. And there's no way Ai's abilities are gonna be explained, there's no explaining something like that. (Without making everything worse) Moreover, it wasn't explained in Monster either, and this show isn't exactly shy about its influences. |
| @THICCDADDY1234 While I do agree that there's no correct interpretation of any piece of media (Death of the Author and all that), I do think that there are more correct, or more informed interpretations. Otherwise media would be kinda pointless? I can build my case when it comes to Babylon's themes: explicit dialogue about justice, Ai's speech at the end of this episode, using suicide as a rhetorical focus to invoke such questions from the audience etc. However I do agree with you that I (probably) can't change plenty of people's minds about it. Should I? Hell if I know, I was just replying to him because he replied to me. |
| This episode got me all sorts of fucked up |
| Wow, I'm still shaking with tears ready to spill, and the spasms make me wanna puke. Amazing what anime can make you feel... Not many can make you dread this efficiently. I don't understand how the Genre of the anime hasn't been updated yet to Mystery, Horror, Psychological, Thriller (and somewhat Dementia). |
| This shits fucked. Ai Magase sure gave off different vibes this episode. |
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| Just seen the latest episode. Seems the Babylon name makes sense now going off the Biblical symbolism, though now this leaves me with more questions on the anime's direction with Magase's true nature. I was under the assumption that the series would be dabbling into the moral questions regarding the justification of suicide. Now unsure if there's some sort of supernatural element to the story with Magase seemingly influencing victims into committing suicide. This could make or break where things go with the series when it resumes next month. |
| this is like i watching Monster or somthing like that, I really enjoy this anime |
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| i like the violence in this episode, but am i the only one who find it pseudo-deep? jeez, their "invincible arguments" are really stupid imho |
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phynto said: I think it's important that I include this into the discussion: 2. This also could be a hint to us, the viewers, that Magase's next target is Seizaki's family. That's what I'm afraid of. Not because I feel sorry for any of them, but because it would be so cliche that it would ruin everything it has built so far. |
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| Today, I finally chose to start watching this series, a few hours later, here I am. Ep 2: First clip - diversion skills, she has experience. Second clip - how much must she have been payed; those physical ques could be subconscious to certain people; what life must she have been living to learn such disgusting ques. Third clip - looking for things to play with, eugh...; not right in the head. Fourth - boredom, no more games. Fifth clip - something people who know how to do, should be very mindful of; but she does it for reactions; 99% evil (still can't say psycho tho). Ep 5: I wonder... Ep 7: Don't know if this is the best way to emphasize the existence, the extent and the inevitability of the other side, but I suppose it couldn't be aired unless dialed down for digestion. But I have to admit, this show has brought me back on thinking about thinking about doing the defining and the definition of good and bad. I guess I'll sleep on it. Good show, but the plot is too conveniently slanted. |
| all of this suicide talk leading to this "muh good and evil" talk accompanied by some shock factor scene? woaw so shocking, ai is such a well written character this shit's retarded... |
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| In addition to being an over-the-top evil psycho villain, Magase literally calls herself evil and claims to know that evil actions are wrong but likes carrying them out anyway. If someone claims to consider an action evil but likes it and goes through with it anyway, it is debatable whether the person actually considers it evil to begin with. People's perceptions of good and evil (at least in a normative sense) are normative judgments that are partially derived from subjective preferences. What Magase is saying makes it sound as though she cognitively knows that murder is wrong on a purely analytical level, while the reality is that she has competing preferences within her. Also, even if it was possible to know normative good and evil purely analytically, that would not be a prerequisite for being evil, so Magase's conception of how evil people work would only describe a subset of evil people. Usually, evil people don't call themselves evil but rather believe that their values are the righteous ones. If handled better, it would be possible to make a legit philosophical debate out of it, but she is really cutting corners and misrepresenting things conceptually. I didn't really expect more, but I felt like pointing the problem out anyway. |
TheDeedsOfMenNov 22, 2019 3:56 AM
| Trust me, when there's a content warning at the beginning of the show, SHIT IS GOING DOWN, AND QUICK. Itsuki's son Taiyo, who decided to show up by Nomura's recommendation, ended up being a double-edged sword to help Itsuki solidify his suicide law even further. That was just ludicrous ON ALL LEVELS, as much as it doesn't make sense to use your own kin to help drive such a topic as death. For Seizaki, this event turned out to be more than just the sinister plot that Itsuki envisioned, and the arrest imminent. But it TOO, ended up being another double-edged sword for the mindplay of sadistic psychological madwoman Ai Magase. DON'T FORGET that even if Magase is Itsuki's wife, this situation would not have salvaged well 100% with her standing in the way of Seizaki's plan. Once again, Seizaki is left alone, and Magase is playing truant with his emotions as Sekuro is brutally murdered, the same with Tsutsui and the previous one on the expressway. THERE IS TRULY NO HAPPY ENDINGS, and Ai Magase truly is the epitomy of evil, bar none. What a harrowing episode full of twists and turns, and I just can't stop trembling in fear of the future. Unfortunately, Episode 8 comes out on December 29th, and it's gonna be a long wait... |
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| Aaaaand the one that get brutally tortured is the only woman in a team lol. This show is trying very hard to surprise the audience, but this far it's just trope after trope. From the cheesy speech at the start to torturing woman for man's angst in the end. I bet Hiasa survives and then ask our main hero to kill her =_= |
| Not gonna lie, this show could use a few more female characters, so that basically all of them wouldn't just be Magase in disguise. It kinda makes the disguises pointless if you can just guess based on her gender alone. I'm betting the woman killed in the end wasn't Sekuro anyway. Inb4 it's revealed that Sekuro was Magase all along and she just killed a body double. |
| Its worth mentioning that Magase Ai birthday is on 06.06.1996 We can be pretty sure that 666 is there for a reason.   |
| I don't know. This is really the turning point of the show. I've heard Kado (never watched yet) started similarly well only to end up to be a disaster. Now, I know the scriptwriter was replaced near the end of that, but imagine Babylon repeating history. I'm scared. Well, on topic, this has just gone more philosophical than mysterious and clears a lot of mysterious preconceptions on Ai Magase as a villain. Unfortunately, it also releases much of the tension built up since the beginning. You could say it's a climax in that sense. My only wish is that by the end, everything connects and makes sense and never turn into s***. |
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| God, Ai Magase is so damn hot! I can't blame her uncle and all those men to fall victim to her charm. She is just that appealing. 😳 Fruit_Machine said: I don't think anyone would survive having their head chopped off.Aaaaand the one that get brutally tortured is the only woman in a team lol. This show is trying very hard to surprise the audience, but this far it's just trope after trope. From the cheesy speech at the start to torturing woman for man's angst in the end. I bet Hiasa survives and then ask our main hero to kill her =_= NthDegree said: That would be mind-blowing, but this episode already confirmed that they are not the same person. Seizaki had already lost contact with the crew members before Sekuro asked to the check on the situation. Also, the police officer Kujiin would certainly mention a detail that important with his dying breath. One of the previous episodes also confirmed it when Sekuro was standing beside Seizaki when Magase talked on the phone, a moment before agent Tsutsui committed suicide.Not gonna lie, this show could use a few more female characters, so that basically all of them wouldn't just be Magase in disguise. It kinda makes the disguises pointless if you can just guess based on her gender alone. I'm betting the woman killed in the end wasn't Sekuro anyway. Inb4 it's revealed that Sekuro was Magase all along and she just killed a body double. |
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