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| and i thought this Itsuki steps was steps ahead of everybody...he is like a toddler compared to this chick hopefully homeboy will be sane enough to turn that video in as evidence....but 99.9% chance says he definitely wont and couldnt. |
| This episode really messed with me. I feel more disturbed and uncomfortable than I have in a very long time. The Sekuro torture/murder was completely unnecessary imo, as Magase was already evil enough to warrant capital punishment. I honestly can't believe how demented this was. Masterfully directed, but I wish it wasn't just because of how shaken I am. Even Itsuki's death scene was pretty horrifying and sad. I may need to drop this just for the sake of my sanity. Because if I continue watching this and Magase ends up killing Seizaki's family ? Yikes. It'd really not surprise me whatsoever if this happened, and I'd even say it's likely at this point. |
Akko_Berserk said: Babylon's poster was already spoiling us how the rest of the co-stars were going to die: hanged, with a shot in the head and dismembered ....... seizaki, what will happen to you? Will he become Magase? I am a weird one, while everyone is getting sick and disturb I was like "ok, what's next" because I've seem worse. Anime veteran here. I am just curious on how this going to end, because the only thing this anime does well is that you have no idea what is really going on. |
MaxCrazy7Nov 18, 2019 10:20 PM
| Ai is really female Johan at this point with her ability to kill people and have others do it for her |
| She killed Sekuro! Like that! Unforgivable! As soon as I saw Sekuro tied to the table in underwear, I'm just, "I don't want to see this." I didn't want to see that. You know what, it's a good this isn't coming back until Dec 30 since I don't think I even want to watch this anymore. When Seizaki says Sekuro must be alive, I'm just...doubt Seizaki is a real sweet summer child to not consider that it was to send a message now that my emotional response is out of the way: Does this anime still have anything to do with Big Pharma? Like, how is Magase getting all these people to kill themselves with simple suggestion? That's not humanly possible and I refuse to believe Magase is anyone more than a human with Speech 100. Somebody has to have put the suicidal tendencies drug from like the first or third episode in the water supply or something and Itsuki's suicide law is just a cover to let Big Pharma get away with putting a faulty product on the market. Even the police should realize that a group suicide of police is highly irregular, Megane is clearly deluding himself. As other posters have pointed out, the anime really does lack in logic in these last few episodes - like, easy refutation of Itsuki - why should he kill himself when he would leaving behind a child and there might be another donor? and the fact the boy should have been ID'd as Itsuki's in the process of locating him for the debate. |
| OMG OMG Oh my f*cking GOD this episode was wow. This is turning into an amazing anime Possible AOTS Can't wait for next episodede...wait ..... next ep is in 30 dec :((( |
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| Well damn. Intense asf. The dark thematic concerns and moral anxieties are really prevalent in this episode. That last scene was amazingly choreographed. |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
Mythologically said: Ryuseishun said: @Mythologically how to NOT do a mystery series right some way, somehow, apparently....well, at least to people like us. I don't think "how to not do a mystery series right" is how I'd phrase it tbh. Rather, this is the single worst episode of anything I've ever seen.
But if anything pisses me off the most, it's that an abysmally written character is being compared to fucking Makishima. Makishima, who is undoubtedly the best anime antagonist ever written, is being compared to this bitch. What? Magase is a purely evil character with no motivations or redeeming qualities. Makishima was literally the good guy in his show. How can you even begin to compare them? Anyway, the show was gradually getting worse after the first 3 episodes, but this ep sent it from an 8 to a solid 1. It went from a fairly enjoyable mystery series to a juvenile edgefest that pretends to be deep. Yea I apologize for that comparison, and I honestly I can agreed with your points for the most part cause it answered some questions to myself why I personally hated this episode. Makishima's intentions had deeper meaning and he wasn't going around like "ohhh I'm so evil" and all that, but more like "hey, your system sucks, so Imma show you why". Magase, on the other hand, has turned out to be just another overly edgy antagonist with obvious mental issues and some unexplained supernatural ability, the latter of which I felt contributed to messing up the whole premise of a good ol mystery series. |
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| Thanks God that next op will be released in 6 weeks, I need some time to process this fucked up ending! |
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| the ultimate counter for Magase is to be deaf. if you cant hear her then she can't affect you, Seizaki should just give his next team Soundproof headphones, they shouldn't allowed to communicate with anyone |
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| i've never been this angry for a long time, holy shit. i'd be even more pissed if magase doesn't get what she deserves. i reaaaally hope she gets completely blown the fuck out at the end mentally and physically. edgy murderer needs an edgy treatment too. |
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| What a great and effective ep top to bottom. Opening with the mayor giving a very good and thought out reason for suicide. then the radios going dead one by one. dudes friend only living long enough to tell him whats going on. then the execution at the the end with a whopper villain speech. "you think i lived some fucked up life and that made me evil? so because you're good you must have never really seen evil. well i'll show you evil." brilliant stuff would be delighted for the rest of the show to be half as stacked as this ep. |
| Seems to be taking inspiration from the likes of Silence of the Lambs and Se7en. They certainly have an excuse to arrest Itsuki now...if they can find him. It makes me wonder if that was really his kid, and if it is really his kid, the whole family was playing them from the beginning. All of those people who worked with Itsuki to get him elected, how would any of them not known his wife? Plus the fact that they know Magase is constantly disguising herself. You would think they would have vetted that kid a LOT better before they put him on national television. I also have to wonder, if Zen had never tuned in to that stream, if Magase wouldn't have killed Sekuro. She obviously wanted an audience, and she obviously wanted specifically Zen to see it. It was clear as day to me that when he was given that stream URL, it was going to be Magase doing something to Sekuro...it should have been clear to him as well. The fact that he kept watching it may be what got Sekuro killed. I hope this doesn't end like No Country for Old Men and I hope Magase eats a bullet or meets the end of a rope. At the same time, after all that has transpired..if they make it known to the public, then it outs Itsuki as a criminal and he can be impeached and his sham election will landslide toward his opposition....if the show doesn't derp that part, |
HOOfan_1Nov 19, 2019 6:53 AM
| Oh hell no. Seizaki you definitely need to get your wife and child the hell out of the country asap. I wouldn't let anyone you know as to where they are going. And wtf at December 29-30, this is going to be my last memory if this show for an entire month;(. What is going on with this. |
DreddNov 19, 2019 7:42 AM
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neogalfen25 said: This episode is shocking But first i feel in past episode sekuro is magasei the reason is ever episode sekuro eye look to seisaki but now im wrong and sekuro turn is a sacrifice sheep. Now there is a question now why only sekuro need to kill if she can control or turn people to suicide in mind means they are something in sekuro? Or magasei trip like that way? And i feel seisaki really really mad and crazy now. Magase can only manipulate men (and maybe lesbians) to suicide |
dark-chaos said: Nice thinking. And to stay on the safe side, Seizaki should consider castrating himself also. the ultimate counter for Magase is to be deaf. if you cant hear her then she can't affect you, Seizaki should just give his next team Soundproof headphones, they shouldn't allowed to communicate with anyone |
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| I hope Magase has some reasons to do evil stuff otherwise my poor man seizaki will go crazy beacause of her. We still have 5 episodes but there aren't so many people left. Will he lose his family in next episode? If magase dies at the end we still cant be happy thats because everybody might die :( It's already f*cked up. |
nasomikaMay 24, 2020 1:29 PM
| Holy cow she made everyone in the investigation team commit suicide and poor Sekuro got the worse !!! |
| Ai Magase is legit the most evil psychopathic villain this side of Hannibal Lechter(Mads version). In fact more evil, since he never did to anyone what she just did to Sekuro. I legit had to pause in the middle of that scene, it so sickened me. This show just went straight to School Day's 'bad ending' on the 7th episode! |
Mythologically said: But if anything pisses me off the most, it's that an abysmally written character is being compared to fucking Makishima. Makishima, who is undoubtedly the best anime antagonist ever written, is being compared to this bitch. What? Magase is a purely evil character with no motivations or redeeming qualities. Makishima was literally the good guy in his show. How can you even begin to compare them? Anyway, the show was gradually getting worse after the first 3 episodes, but this ep sent it from an 8 to a solid 1. It went from a fairly enjoyable mystery series to a juvenile edgefest that pretends to be deep. In fact Ai Magase might make more sense than Makishima. He seemed to be a Joker-type character with no discernible motivations other than 'chaos' for its own sake. With Ai Magase, it's implied she's been highly sexualized since 15. In fact I think it's possible she might have been gang raped in high school and this is her ongoing bloody path of vengeance against a world that provided her no justice. How the hell does this all end? Seizaki's family will by killed, everyone in the city will be hypnotized by Ai Magase into mass 'suicide'? Holy crap, this is headed straight for End of Evangelion territory. But even that had a slightly hopeful ending. |
Daniel_Naumov said: Ryuseishun said: Yea I apologize for that comparison, and I honestly I can agreed with your points for the most part cause it answered some questions to myself why I personally hated this episode. Makishima's intentions had deeper meaning and he wasn't going around like "ohhh I'm so evil" and all that, but more like "hey, your system sucks, so Imma show you why". Magase, on the other hand, has turned out to be just another overly edgy antagonist with obvious mental issues and some unexplained supernatural ability, the latter of which I felt contributed to messing up the whole premise of a good ol mystery series. You do understand you spout this while merely mid-way through a thriller? You do understand there is a lot of crucial information yet to be revealed, and we can only surmise what is going on from the symbolism and foreshadowing? You do understand everything you said has zero credibility at this point, don't you? To address this ad hominem you decided to go with. Do you really think they're even handling this the right way, though? Cause until we get an explanation on why Magase became such a crazy individual or even how she did her whole manipulation of the victims, the ep made a bad mark by resorting to mostly shock value than just adding more twists to an intriguing ongoing mystery. And no, me and @Mythologically are not tag teaming here, we just somehow have similar stances. Now, tbf, my opinion may change depending the last five episodes (which fortunately ain't til December), and hopefully they do, but until then, I still ponder why the decision for gruesome shock value instead of shock revelation. Like wouldn't it at least be better if she just make the girl kill herself right in front of her as opposed as just chaining and butchering her with this "hahaha I'm so evil" in-your-face expression? Maybe it doesn't work in certain conditions or certain people? Regardless, this is more of making someone felt angry instead of making them feel helpless to do anything as a "good guy hero". Maybe she wants the former....who knows? But the presentation was just simply, imo.....not good. |
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smoledman said: Mythologically said: But if anything pisses me off the most, it's that an abysmally written character is being compared to fucking Makishima. Makishima, who is undoubtedly the best anime antagonist ever written, is being compared to this bitch. What? Magase is a purely evil character with no motivations or redeeming qualities. Makishima was literally the good guy in his show. How can you even begin to compare them? Anyway, the show was gradually getting worse after the first 3 episodes, but this ep sent it from an 8 to a solid 1. It went from a fairly enjoyable mystery series to a juvenile edgefest that pretends to be deep. In fact Ai Magase might make more sense than Makishima. He seemed to be a Joker-type character with no discernible motivations other than 'chaos' for its own sake. With Ai Magase, it's implied she's been highly sexualized since 15. In fact I think it's possible she might have been gang raped in high school and this is her ongoing bloody path of vengeance against a world that provided her no justice. How the hell does this all end? Seizaki's family will by killed, everyone in the city will be hypnotized by Ai Magase into mass 'suicide'? Holy crap, this is headed straight for End of Evangelion territory. But even that had a slightly hopeful ending. I wasn't in agreement with how her motives were showcased here. But then again, I've never really liked Magase to begin with, so this episode didn't help, obviously xD I do hope they touch up on some backstory like you brought up, though. And no, Makishima wasn't going around causing chaos just for the sake of it. He was also showing and pointing out the loopholes and flaws in a false utopian system, albeit with rather not-really-nice methods and scheming. It's because of that I couldn't really think of Makishima as a bad guy....hell I even rooted for him quite a few times, tbh. |
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| Isn't Ai trying to do to Zen what The Joker attempted with Batman in TDK? The Joker: The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules. And tonight, you're gonna break your one rule! |
| Jesus Christ. That end scene was fucking horrible. I feel sick. If Seizaki isn't careful he's family are going to end up butchered too (though the death flag has already been raised on that one!). Seriously; Magase needs to die for the protection of mankind! I knew what was going to happen to Kujin & Sekura though; i've had a theory from the 1st episode that their deaths were on the poster. |
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smoledman said: Isn't Ai trying to do to Zen what The Joker attempted with Batman in TDK? The Joker: The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules. And tonight, you're gonna break your one rule! Or what Kevin Spacey did to Brad Pitt in Se7en |
| This episode was one of the best directed anime episodes I've ever watched. I still can't understand how they don't feel threatened by having a sociopath going around and how Seizaki did not went to his home as fast as he could but this... This was pure gold. This was more like a climax to me than a season middle break. |
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