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Mar 1, 2019 2:01 AM
#251
[quote=Safeanew message=57044834][quote=zieek message=57044811] Safeanew said: That is nice! What would you say is special about anime for you compared to other mediums, what kind of experience do you get? Not an appropriate responce I know but bear with me. When I watch an anime I feel I relate more to the characters portrayed there than the actors in liveaction. Their lives seem closer to mine, their way of thinking is straightforward and naive. The situations in films, tv series and books are supposed to make you feel as though you live through everything the mc's have expirianced, and are entertained by it. But the messages they offer, given to the viewer are not appealing, at least to me. Anime is to put it simply easier to take in, maybe I'm just more susceptible to watching drawings and being influanced by them than by liveaction. Let's agree or agree to disagree, shall we. |
Mar 1, 2019 2:03 AM
#252
Archenhaud said: Fiction is escapism, especially in modern times. End of discussion for me tbh. Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisoned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?... If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can! J.R.R. Tolkien said: Why should a man be scorned if, finding himself in prison, he tries to get out and go home? Or if, when he cannot do so, he thinks and talks about other topics than jailers and prison-walls? The world outside has not become less real because the prisoner cannot see it. In using escape in this way the critics have chosen the wrong word,and, what is more, they are confusing, not always by sincere error, the Escape of the Prisoner with the Flight of the Deserter. While I can agree with this, is not my criticizing the word, actually making the same point as J.R.R. Tolkien but in the context of this forum? Calling fiction escapist today means "the flight of the deserter" by those who use it. The thing to add to "the escape of the prison" is in fiction finding "the will to change the prison", that is the political power of fiction, that is seeing reality through fiction. |
Mar 1, 2019 2:07 AM
#253
Safeanew said: Yeah you have showed that our opinions is the opposite of each. you: me: Anime is escapism to you. Calling anime escapist is escapist to me. Clear divide between reality/fiction No clear divide between reality/fiction Freedom is without worry/angst Freedom is with worry/angst This what we disagree upon as I see it. True, but you removed the bit about critical thinking. I can think deeply about anime just as any other person. I could write pages on the character analyses on Neon Genesis Evangelion or Re-Zero, for example. What I am trying to get out of you is how do you establish the link between critical thinking (as this was the argument you brought forth initially) and enjoyment (which I brought up), because escapism can include both. Your arguments so far haven't touched upon the link. Hope that was clear. |
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Mar 1, 2019 2:08 AM
#254
Shiroanon said: Safeanew said: and why is saying something is escapism not discussion? you keep on claiming people saying that prevents discussion, but whyShiroanon said: Safeanew said: yea, and romance doesn't work like that, only in fiction. it's an idealized interpretation because it's a lot more simple and fun when idealized. it's just simple entertainment, nothing more than that. for me it was entertaining because i just like seeing cute girls doing cute things, i also enjoy yuri too Shiroanon said: Safeanew said: you're elevating the meaning behind the series to such a high pedestal for no reason. there isn't really any deeper meaning behind it, it's just entertainment. it doesn't have to mean anything. all you're trying to do is find deeper meaning in something almost entirely meaninglessShiroanon said: Safeanew said: like i said, i get what you're trying to say and i do agree to an extent. but are you really going to claim there was some deeper meaning to me watching sakura trick? cause i know i definitely didn't learn anything about the world around me from that anime, and i solely watched it for some simple-minded escapsim, nothing deeper than that. this can apply to some anime of course, like welcome to the nhk, which i didn't just watch for the sake of escapism and enjoying myself, but rather to possibly learn more about the world around me, which it succeeded in doingShiroanon said: i get what you're trying to say, but escapism still exists regardless. the escapism, or however you want to refer to it as, doesn't necessarily have to have any deeper meaning to it Well my point is that it is not enough to face reality, one have to also face fiction. So the only true escapism is calling anime escapism. Nice example, I love yuri but hate that series because it avoids everything! It treats romance like it's the same thing as eating or something just a basic need! But it promotes the creation of more yuri anime that I like. The meaning of that kind of series is the fact that I hate it! Other people like it and I would like to question their tastes because I find that they maybe are avoiding really thinking about what it means and the implications it have on life. For example what if people treat love like in sakura trick like it is just a basic need, what happens then? Am I really elevating it? That is actually what I got from it. That romance should not work like that. One can treat as a simple entertainment showing girls kissing, but that in itself means something. We don't enjoy just anything, we pick and choose between different things. So just picking something that one enjoys is filled with meaning. to be honest, i don't really get what point you're trying to get across here It is a double point found in one point, and that is to start discussion about anime more freely! The reasons you said are great! I enjoyed sakura kiss too, I am a big fan of yuri, but I had my big complaints with it. I am for discussing, there is no better way to discuss then say what one thinks, i am just promoting that idea. Because people avoid sounding stupid to appear normal because of such words, they don't want to sound like a lunatic that takes seriously the fantasy worlds others call escapist, like the idea that fiction teaches us about real life is to cracy for many people. I am just commenting on a way of speaking I have seen not only here but in life in general, people are too scared to really talk by the appeal to common sense. |
Mar 1, 2019 2:09 AM
#255
Safeanew said: iasuru said: Safeanew said: iasuru said: Safeanew said: iasuru said: Safeanew said: iasuru said: Safeanew said: iasuru said: Safeanew said: iasuru said: Safeanew said: iasuru said: Safeanew said: Ringo_Elegant said: Safeanew said: Ringo_Elegant said: Safeanew said: Ringo_Elegant said: Safeanew said: Ringo_Elegant said: Safeanew said: Ringo_Elegant said: Safeanew said: ]Ringo_Elegant said: Safeanew said: Ringo_Elegant said: I'd say it deeply depends for me. I'd say things like One Piece are deeply escapist to me: while there is an element of discussion surrounding the concepts of freedom and authority, it's really not so deep, and it's not supposed to be! I'd say that and Jojo have got to be my big choices for anime that I just watch because they're great fun distractions (and also motivate me to work out lmao). Other anime I'd say are much less escapist. As an Urobuchi fanboy I have to cite Fate/Zero and Psycho-Pass, and stories like Berserk and Steins;Gate could even qualify. While these anime do have escapist potential due to their cool worlds and beautiful visuals, I would argue that their grim nature dampens this. Instead, I like these anime because they create potential for discussion and I don't feel that they speak down to the viewer. There are always arguments that could be explored and belief systems to be applied. I don't think of these as escapist anime. While I agree that some anime makes one think more then others, the point in criticizing the "dumb" anime should be to make people think, not shut them up, that I like watching what I think is stupid anime is in no way escapist, rather those often are very interesting to find out why I think they are stupid and always criticizing my own take on the series seeing if theres more to then I first thought. I don't think that means it isn't escapist media, and I wouldn't call Jojo or One Piece "dumb", but I still would qualify them as escapist (I supppose one could make the argument that Jojo's main strength is Araki's designs, so it may be more appropriate to call it an aesthetic work, but I think most people enjoy it for escapist reasons). Just because you can think critically about a work doesn't stop it from being an escapist piece, while just because a piece is escapist does not mean it is bad. Why are you so against the term "escapism" in general? It is not inherently negative, and I'd argue it's often a very positive term. Well why do call it 'escapist' when 'fiction' or 'story' serves that purpose you are talking about much better. The word 'escapist' sounds like you are escaping something you would rather want to do or something you think you should do, one should enjoy things one wants to enjoy and do things one think one should do, the word escapist I distract myself from both and do what everyone else want me to do. "Escapist" is a more proper term because it is a specific term for fiction that serves as a purpose of distracting from reality for a fun excursion, whether by design or not. "Story" just refers to a set of events, sure "One Piece" is a story but so is George Washington's biography or the story of the Peloponnesian War, it's too general a term. "Fiction" just refers to any narrative that is invented and did not actually occur, people don't refer to fiction like "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov or "Requiem for a Dream" as "escapist" because they are disturbing reminders of upsetting issues in real life, they point to stressful aspects of life rather than distract from it. I think the issue isn't so much "whether or not anime is escapist" it's just that you don't like the term escapism and wish that the linguists who came up with it decided on another term. Which is all fine, but there's not much that can be done about that. Well I can accept the definition so that I know I don't agree with the position of those using the word. Because it is not term I am criticizing, it is the people that use it, not seeing the damage their way of speaking does. They stand for anti-intelectual movement of wanting to avoid discussion and I am pointing that out and why words like 'escapism', 'trolling' and 'objectivity/subjectivity' function like that. Naming a genre escapist would be fine if it still meant that that genre is taken seriously like all art, and escapist means only the exclusion of say 'drama' or 'realism' or what you would call "real life problems in fiction". But the fact is, it is used to stop really thinking about things most of the time. And about enjoying something for escapist reasons, everything can fulfill the role of escapism, that is my point! Well that's kind of a lot to unpack, but the thing is, someone can call a piece escapist while still believing it to be worth discussion. J.R.R. Tolkien's works are often given both the labels of escapist fantasy and high art. I agree with your point that if people use the term to be dismissive, they are misusing the term, but I think that just has more of a problem with the people themselves being generally dismissive of new types of media rather than anything having to do with the concept of escapism itself. I do take umbrage with the claim "anything can be escapism" though. Some pieces just take too much effort to operate that way for any reasonable person. Google the first page of "Finnegan's Wake" by James Joyce; I'd be seriously surprised and concerned if anyone claimed that it felt like an escapist novel. Ok so I agree with your position 'escapist' as genre that is still taken seriously. My point of everything can be escapist, is that reality itself is mostly escapist. People work to forget things, people are mean to others to forget things. The only escape is this avoidaince of thinking. My problem is not with some textbook defintion, it is people use to make out reality like the only thing that matters. No, fiction matters because it is the only way to truly face reality. You might enjoy the philosophy of Rene Descartes, he often talks about how uncertain reality is, but coined the famous phrase "I think, therefore I am". He addresses some of what you're talking about, and the school of metaphysics in general is a beautiful tradition of thought addressing some of these concerns. I myself grew a great interest in the nature of "reality" after playing MGS2. Snake's line at the end "What most people think of reality is actually just fiction" is one that resonates with me deeply. I think the problem people are having with your thread and why you're feeling no one is addressing your concern is that the use of the term 'escapist/m' is a bit ill-advised here. You're saying you have no problem with the 'textbook definition' of escapism nor with the categorization of genre under escapism, but rather a specific rhetorical (perhaps foolish) strategy that some groups use to dismiss fiction. I think if you made the much cleaner claim of "People who dismiss anime as having merit based on preconceived notions are in the wrong", you'd find almost everyone here agrees with you (except for maybe some self-hating weebs). Yeah Rene Decartes "I think therefore I am" is what Zizek the philosopher i follow is arguing for when he says we should go back to the cartesian view of the subject just with the added insights from psychoanalysis. Thanks for the advise, but I make a point in trying to provoke because one thing is it challenges the idea of a consensus based in common sense. My point is that people don't agree with each other on a fundamentall level and a bit heated conflict can show how no one truly agrees with anyone else, just we meet each other from time to time when the words fall into place. Oh... Zizek. Interesting guy for sure. But, I have to say, when you tell me "[you] make a point in trying to provoke", it just makes it seem kind of... intellectually dishonest. It plays like you're just intentionally confusing people by operating with a similar yet distinct definition. It sounds like, dare I say, clickbait. Well it is the opposite actually, I provoke people to make visible the confusion people already have but never fully discussed. It is shown by the very reaction by my provocation, a person that is not confused would not so easily dismiss what I am saying. Because to be sure of oneself is to try to understand others fully before rejecting their claim. 'Intellectually dishonest' is another word used to not take seriously what other people are saying. I would claim that it is impossible to be intellectually honest, because honesty can only be honest nothing more or less intellectuall about it. So you've proven that if you intentionally confuse people, they will be confused... Congrats? Honestly dude, I think the "question everything" attitude you're going for is admirable and a good start but you're going about this in a way that makes you seem (and I mean this in the sweetest way possible) really arrogant. You keep saying that the traditional definitions of terms are incorrect, but how are your definitions any more reliable? At least the traditional definitions have the backing of cultural acceptance and Occam's Razor, there is no reason for us to prefer your definitions that were custom-made for your arguments. Socrates was called the wisest man in Greece because he said "All I know, is that I know nothing". You're kind of going the opposite approach. You're claiming that the terms you use are the 'true' terms that humanity should turn to. What's especially ironic is that I (and some, not all, of the folks here) am simply offering critiques, not dismissal. It is YOU is being dismissive, Safeanew. You're claiming "No, I'm right about this" because you are simply redefining your terms so that nothing you say can be wrong. It's the same as if I made a thread saying "Horses are actually dogs", and if someone replied to me with a definition of a dog that a horse doesn't fit, I could just say "Well, I'm personally redefining the concept of 'dogs' here as any animal that primarily operates on four legs". Like yeah, I'm right via that definition, but nothing is proven and it looks like a project I just set up to make myself feel smart. No they are confused to begin with, I am not really proving it, I am just claiming that is what shows in how people talk. Wise men is what common sense is, so the wisest man is the one that know nothing can also mean that the blind masses that follow common sense know nothing. I am dismissive of one thing and that is the word 'escapism'. No one has argued against the philosophical claim I made that 'one needs fiction to face reality' in a convincing way. People just argue for common sense and definitions, not wanting know what the other is talking about. Expand that 'one needs fiction to face reality' If one try to only face reality, it leads to blind following of common sense. It is only in fiction one is allowed to delve beyond common sense and face the desires one can't accept. Common sense is neither a fiction or non-fiction though. So making common sense isn't realism or non-realism. It's basically just a collection of things (rules, ideas, opinions, etc.) that is common. It's like an unwritten rule book. Yeah and that is what structures reality as in there is no reality without the illusion of common sense. Common sense is not only an unwritten rule book, it is the thing guides everyones actions without them having to directly believe in it. Ok so what does this have to do with escapism or not. How does this tie up. I don't see it. The common sense is escapism itself it functions because it is common sense so one should not question it, because one have to think like everbody else because if one don't one is a 'troll', an 'intelectual dishonest person' and 'one escapes from reality'. I claim that thinking starts when common sense ends. But that isn't escapism. You never think about what a common sense is. It just is. Now arguing if something is common sense or not, that may be a form of escapism. Common sense itself isn't a form of escapism. Well I call common sense escapism because that is how it functions, you follow something that 'is' without deciding for yourself if it is really true, that is how todays society is more religious then ever, people believe in things without directly believing in it. How is it something that escapes from reality when you don't even interact with it in any way at all. Today's society isn't as religious as ever. What? We compare this to the 1400s and it's not even comparable. On top of that, religion can be a form of escapism. For example, people use religion to ignore about dying because to them if they die a good person they go to heaven. That is a form of believing. So now, how does common sense become a form of escapism? Let's not run around the question here. Is it a form of: - The fish died why? common sense: the tank is dirty. But then that's the actual reality. Not something that escapes reality. That is a fact, not what I call common sense, if it not certain that the fish died because of it , it is a hypothesis. Common sense enters when it is not fact based but group based. As in I believe in it because the majority believes in it. Okay. You didn't answer my question. How does common sense become a form of escapism. I gave an example on how it could be but it really isn't. So now, tell me how it becomes a form of escapism. Well mostly it is by treating people like fools for having different opinions. Specifically trying to make people talk in a certain way to avoid having to accept that people don't agree about reality itself, because it is only experienced through illusion makes it that no one can hold the unbiased objective opinion, because that would avoid the point of not agreeing in the first place. I am saying common sense is an escape from really listening to other people. I think you are mixing up escape and escapism here. You are likely making something simple more complicated for no reason. So if trying to make people talk in a certain way is escapism, does that mean that laws are escapism. You could say that "common sense is an escape from really listening to other people". Yeah an escape, not an escapism. You sure you didn't get your terms mixed up? My point is that how people use escapism is wrong, because the only escapist part of enjoying fiction is this 'common sense' that hinders fully exploring said fiction and seeing it as a means in itself. Wat. How is it wrong. Escapism in fiction is basically the fantasy aspect of it. This person is so interested in fiction that he makes the troubles of real life less worse by thinking and engaging on fiction. |
Mar 1, 2019 2:11 AM
#256
Safeanew said: joshua10red said: Hmmm honestly i never thought of anime an escapism.. For me is like a hobby,an entertainment, a way to relax. That is great, what do you like in the anime you like? For me to like an anime it has to meet some elements. First of all it needs to have a good story that can keep me entertained. If the story is bad, boring or in worst cases disturbing or disgusting then there's 0 chances to like that anime. Secondly, it needs good art and animation. If the story is good but the characters look like crap or the anime has bad CGI then again I can't like that anime. Then it comes the characters. If the anime doesn't have at least one enjoyable character then i can't like that anime. And of course music. The better the music is the more I like the anime.. So in short in my favorite anime i like the story, art/animation, characters and the music |
Mar 1, 2019 2:13 AM
#257
[quote=zieek message=57044899][quote=Safeanew message=57044834] zieek said: Safeanew said: That is nice! What would you say is special about anime for you compared to other mediums, what kind of experience do you get? Not an appropriate responce I know but bear with me. When I watch an anime I feel I relate more to the characters portrayed there than the actors in liveaction. Their lives seem closer to mine, their way of thinking is straightforward and naive. The situations in films, tv series and books are supposed to make you feel as though you live through everything the mc's have expirianced, and are entertained by it. But the messages they offer, given to the viewer are not appealing, at least to me. Anime is to put it simply easier to take in, maybe I'm just more susceptible to watching drawings and being influanced by them than by liveaction. Let's agree or agree to disagree, shall we. Great comment! Yeah agree that anime is more relateable to me then non-anime, it is hard to say all these details that catch ones eye. Anime feels for me like it can delve in to other topics that other mediums don't touch. The characters that show up in anime is also hard to find anywhere else. Because it is drawings it can more freely express the motions it wants to show. |
Mar 1, 2019 2:19 AM
#258
Safeanew said: alright, now i'm understanding what you're saying and i do agree. but not all anime is supposed to be taken 100% seriously, or have any deeper meaning to it, so it'd be pretty pointless to try to analyze and dissect it on a deeper levelShiroanon said: Safeanew said: Shiroanon said: Safeanew said: yea, and romance doesn't work like that, only in fiction. it's an idealized interpretation because it's a lot more simple and fun when idealized. it's just simple entertainment, nothing more than that. for me it was entertaining because i just like seeing cute girls doing cute things, i also enjoy yuri too Shiroanon said: Safeanew said: you're elevating the meaning behind the series to such a high pedestal for no reason. there isn't really any deeper meaning behind it, it's just entertainment. it doesn't have to mean anything. all you're trying to do is find deeper meaning in something almost entirely meaninglessShiroanon said: Safeanew said: like i said, i get what you're trying to say and i do agree to an extent. but are you really going to claim there was some deeper meaning to me watching sakura trick? cause i know i definitely didn't learn anything about the world around me from that anime, and i solely watched it for some simple-minded escapsim, nothing deeper than that. this can apply to some anime of course, like welcome to the nhk, which i didn't just watch for the sake of escapism and enjoying myself, but rather to possibly learn more about the world around me, which it succeeded in doingShiroanon said: i get what you're trying to say, but escapism still exists regardless. the escapism, or however you want to refer to it as, doesn't necessarily have to have any deeper meaning to it Well my point is that it is not enough to face reality, one have to also face fiction. So the only true escapism is calling anime escapism. Nice example, I love yuri but hate that series because it avoids everything! It treats romance like it's the same thing as eating or something just a basic need! But it promotes the creation of more yuri anime that I like. The meaning of that kind of series is the fact that I hate it! Other people like it and I would like to question their tastes because I find that they maybe are avoiding really thinking about what it means and the implications it have on life. For example what if people treat love like in sakura trick like it is just a basic need, what happens then? Am I really elevating it? That is actually what I got from it. That romance should not work like that. One can treat as a simple entertainment showing girls kissing, but that in itself means something. We don't enjoy just anything, we pick and choose between different things. So just picking something that one enjoys is filled with meaning. to be honest, i don't really get what point you're trying to get across here It is a double point found in one point, and that is to start discussion about anime more freely! The reasons you said are great! I enjoyed sakura kiss too, I am a big fan of yuri, but I had my big complaints with it. I am for discussing, there is no better way to discuss then say what one thinks, i am just promoting that idea. Because people avoid sounding stupid to appear normal because of such words, they don't want to sound like a lunatic that takes seriously the fantasy worlds others call escapist, like the idea that fiction teaches us about real life is to cracy for many people. I am just commenting on a way of speaking I have seen not only here but in life in general, people are too scared to really talk by the appeal to common sense. |
Mar 1, 2019 2:20 AM
#259
KreatorX said: Safeanew said: Yeah you have showed that our opinions is the opposite of each. you: me: Anime is escapism to you. Calling anime escapist is escapist to me. Clear divide between reality/fiction No clear divide between reality/fiction Freedom is without worry/angst Freedom is with worry/angst This what we disagree upon as I see it. True, but you removed the bit about critical thinking. I can think deeply about anime just as any other person. I could write pages on the character analyses on Neon Genesis Evangelion or Re-Zero, for example. What I am trying to get out of you is how do you establish the link between critical thinking (as this was the argument you brought forth initially) and enjoyment (which I brought up), because escapism can include both. Your arguments so far haven't touched upon the link. Hope that was clear. Yeah that is clear, great comment! My link between using the word escapism and critical thinking is that for me critical thinking is in engaging discussion with people that don't agree and using that word is an end of discussion word that avoids comparing fiction and reality more fully. When people use it about what they enjoy I find that often means that they hold back there opinions about the fiction because they don't want to distort the line reality/fiction and sound like a cracy person. But for me being a cracy person is using critcal thinking. |
Mar 1, 2019 2:24 AM
#260
Shiroanon said: Safeanew said: alright, now i'm understanding what you're saying and i do agree. but not all anime is supposed to be taken 100% seriously, or have any deeper meaning to it, so it'd be pretty pointless to try to analyze and dissect it on a deeper levelShiroanon said: Safeanew said: and why is saying something is escapism not discussion? you keep on claiming people saying that prevents discussion, but whyShiroanon said: Safeanew said: yea, and romance doesn't work like that, only in fiction. it's an idealized interpretation because it's a lot more simple and fun when idealized. it's just simple entertainment, nothing more than that. for me it was entertaining because i just like seeing cute girls doing cute things, i also enjoy yuri too Shiroanon said: Safeanew said: you're elevating the meaning behind the series to such a high pedestal for no reason. there isn't really any deeper meaning behind it, it's just entertainment. it doesn't have to mean anything. all you're trying to do is find deeper meaning in something almost entirely meaninglessShiroanon said: Safeanew said: like i said, i get what you're trying to say and i do agree to an extent. but are you really going to claim there was some deeper meaning to me watching sakura trick? cause i know i definitely didn't learn anything about the world around me from that anime, and i solely watched it for some simple-minded escapsim, nothing deeper than that. this can apply to some anime of course, like welcome to the nhk, which i didn't just watch for the sake of escapism and enjoying myself, but rather to possibly learn more about the world around me, which it succeeded in doingShiroanon said: i get what you're trying to say, but escapism still exists regardless. the escapism, or however you want to refer to it as, doesn't necessarily have to have any deeper meaning to it Well my point is that it is not enough to face reality, one have to also face fiction. So the only true escapism is calling anime escapism. Nice example, I love yuri but hate that series because it avoids everything! It treats romance like it's the same thing as eating or something just a basic need! But it promotes the creation of more yuri anime that I like. The meaning of that kind of series is the fact that I hate it! Other people like it and I would like to question their tastes because I find that they maybe are avoiding really thinking about what it means and the implications it have on life. For example what if people treat love like in sakura trick like it is just a basic need, what happens then? Am I really elevating it? That is actually what I got from it. That romance should not work like that. One can treat as a simple entertainment showing girls kissing, but that in itself means something. We don't enjoy just anything, we pick and choose between different things. So just picking something that one enjoys is filled with meaning. to be honest, i don't really get what point you're trying to get across here It is a double point found in one point, and that is to start discussion about anime more freely! The reasons you said are great! I enjoyed sakura kiss too, I am a big fan of yuri, but I had my big complaints with it. I am for discussing, there is no better way to discuss then say what one thinks, i am just promoting that idea. Because people avoid sounding stupid to appear normal because of such words, they don't want to sound like a lunatic that takes seriously the fantasy worlds others call escapist, like the idea that fiction teaches us about real life is to cracy for many people. I am just commenting on a way of speaking I have seen not only here but in life in general, people are too scared to really talk by the appeal to common sense. Oh I fully agree with this just that can a person that want to dissect it discuss it with someone that don't want to dissect it just want to banter about it? I hope so, because people disagree about alot things and I hope people from different viewpoints can discuss anyway, if it does not work one can always try something else. |
Mar 1, 2019 2:25 AM
#261
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Mar 1, 2019 2:54 AM
#262
... Yes it is This thread is crazy and I don't wanna waste my time arguing, but had to say that. |
Mar 1, 2019 2:58 AM
#263
siccoyote said: ... Yes it is This thread is crazy and I don't wanna waste my time arguing, but had to say that. Thanks for the compliment! I will not argue with being crazy! |
Mar 1, 2019 3:51 AM
#264
joshua10red said: Safeanew said: joshua10red said: Hmmm honestly i never thought of anime an escapism.. For me is like a hobby,an entertainment, a way to relax. That is great, what do you like in the anime you like? For me to like an anime it has to meet some elements. First of all it needs to have a good story that can keep me entertained. If the story is bad, boring or in worst cases disturbing or disgusting then there's 0 chances to like that anime. Secondly, it needs good art and animation. If the story is good but the characters look like crap or the anime has bad CGI then again I can't like that anime. Then it comes the characters. If the anime doesn't have at least one enjoyable character then i can't like that anime. And of course music. The better the music is the more I like the anime.. So in short in my favorite anime i like the story, art/animation, characters and the music Great comment! So you like when every part fits together and no part stands out as really bad. It is great to be critical of details one don't like in a show. What anime have best music in your opinion? |
Mar 1, 2019 5:23 AM
#265
I think you should give up on having such a discussion with the people of AD because the amount of simpletons found here is frightening. Anyway, to me anime is something I grew up with and can tie to my interest in Japanese culture. I know it's a very distorted view of said culture but whenever I can find something in there I can always look it up. I love learning about things I didn't know about so it's not like a punishment or something. One example I can give is Aria The Animation which is my first ever iyashikei. Before I watched it I looked up what iyashikei is and found a term called mono no aware, which basically means "the pathos of things". It's basically just knowing that everything ends or changes with time and the feeling it induces. I watched Aria to know that feeling. Another reason why I watch anime is because they can be great thinkpieces. I'm the kind of person that just needs to ponder about things and can easily spend half an hour on thinking about something that interests me. This can be some message I got from some series (Monogatari and Medaka box are great for this) or just trying to figure out what the creators are trying to convey. This is actually the reason why I like the dementia genre so much since it gives you lots of food for thought. So I should thank you for giving me such an interesting topic to think about. It's a true breath of fresh air compared to all the bullshit I have to encounter here on a daily basis. |
Mar 1, 2019 5:28 AM
#266
Safeanew said: joshua10red said: Safeanew said: joshua10red said: Hmmm honestly i never thought of anime an escapism.. For me is like a hobby,an entertainment, a way to relax. That is great, what do you like in the anime you like? For me to like an anime it has to meet some elements. First of all it needs to have a good story that can keep me entertained. If the story is bad, boring or in worst cases disturbing or disgusting then there's 0 chances to like that anime. Secondly, it needs good art and animation. If the story is good but the characters look like crap or the anime has bad CGI then again I can't like that anime. Then it comes the characters. If the anime doesn't have at least one enjoyable character then i can't like that anime. And of course music. The better the music is the more I like the anime.. So in short in my favorite anime i like the story, art/animation, characters and the music Great comment! So you like when every part fits together and no part stands out as really bad. It is great to be critical of details one don't like in a show. What anime have best music in your opinion? Hmmm hard question.. I saw a lot of anime with great music and I can't pick only one. 😅 anime about music /bands with great music : "Nana" , "Fuuka", "Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso" Nana and Fuuka 2 anime about rock bands. Both have amazing OPs and Eds and the OST is simply brilliant.. Great insert rock songs with amazing sound and beautiful lyrics. Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso anime with classical music. 1st OP by Goose House and 2nd and 3rd ED by 7!!. If you ever heard a song from those 2 bands you probably know how great their songs are. Everyone knows that classical music means high quality music so an OST with classical music is amazing. Non music anime Sword Art Online. OPs and EDs sung only by top class anisong artists :LiSA, Eir Aoi, Haruna Luna, Haruka Tomatsu and ASCA. OST created by Yuki Kajiura an amazing composer. Kimi no Na Wa OST composed and sung by RADWIMPS. The songs played during important moments are simply breathtaking Violet Evergarden. An amazing OP by TRUE. An incredible OST that matches perfectly with the story and hits you right in the heart. Re:CREATORS OPs and OST created by Sawano Hiroyuki a true genius. All the insert songs played in the anime during fights and important moments are stunning |
Mar 1, 2019 8:03 AM
#267
Safeanew said: I don't think you are making the same point as the others. My point is why should your life hinder you in any way more then it already does from fully enjoying fiction. My point is also even if you think it is impossible, the only way to face that despair is through angst. I don't know what makes you think that using anime as one of my escape routes means I can't fully enjoy it. That's purely your assumption and one of the most presumptuous ones, if I may say. Also, if to you angst is the truest emotion and the equivalent of freedom, then I feel sorry for you. I'd say the equivalent of freedom is both internal and external peace existing in combination, but, well. And I face my despair daily so, as it's not really any of your concern, I'd appreciate if you kept any such pretentious advice to anyone who's suffering, to yourself from now on. It really kind of very much makes you come across as a real asshole. |
Mar 1, 2019 10:01 AM
#268
The core premise of this thread isn't even all that bad. These vague statements (that you seem to strongly stand by) are why most neglect your opinion. Stuff like this just demands a detailed opening post. Speaking of which, I recall reading an article, not to long ago, about escapism and anime industry and how it's catering to lonely neets and hikikomoris. It mostly centers around school dramas/romcoms that are often somewhat romanticized yet relatable to a certain extent, which are making them escapist by default. In the end it narrows down to you preference and/or personality type aka it varies from one to another. Overall, anime/manga (for the most part) is, to a certain degree, a form of escapism. I'll partly agree that, inherently, most anime is not escapism. |
Mar 1, 2019 10:38 AM
#269
holysauron said: I think you should give up on having such a discussion with the people of AD because the amount of simpletons found here is frightening. Anyway, to me anime is something I grew up with and can tie to my interest in Japanese culture. I know it's a very distorted view of said culture but whenever I can find something in there I can always look it up. I love learning about things I didn't know about so it's not like a punishment or something. One example I can give is Aria The Animation which is my first ever iyashikei. Before I watched it I looked up what iyashikei is and found a term called mono no aware, which basically means "the pathos of things". It's basically just knowing that everything ends or changes with time and the feeling it induces. I watched Aria to know that feeling. Another reason why I watch anime is because they can be great thinkpieces. I'm the kind of person that just needs to ponder about things and can easily spend half an hour on thinking about something that interests me. This can be some message I got from some series (Monogatari and Medaka box are great for this) or just trying to figure out what the creators are trying to convey. This is actually the reason why I like the dementia genre so much since it gives you lots of food for thought. So I should thank you for giving me such an interesting topic to think about. It's a true breath of fresh air compared to all the bullshit I have to encounter here on a daily basis. That is a great point about iyashikei! Yeah thinking about series is great I seem to like many dementia series too. Thank you for liking the topic! I am a bit tired and that is why my response is so short. Hope to discuss with you more! I will take break until I regain my energy. |
Mar 1, 2019 11:00 AM
#270
PrincessMeiMei said: Safeanew said: I don't think you are making the same point as the others. My point is why should your life hinder you in any way more then it already does from fully enjoying fiction. My point is also even if you think it is impossible, the only way to face that despair is through angst. I don't know what makes you think that using anime as one of my escape routes means I can't fully enjoy it. That's purely your assumption and one of the most presumptuous ones, if I may say. Also, if to you angst is the truest emotion and the equivalent of freedom, then I feel sorry for you. I'd say the equivalent of freedom is both internal and external peace existing in combination, but, well. And I face my despair daily so, as it's not really any of your concern, I'd appreciate if you kept any such pretentious advice to anyone who's suffering, to yourself from now on. It really kind of very much makes you come across as a real asshole. I am not trying to be an asshole, by facing angst I got from having trouble breathing in class because I did not want to disturb the people around me to being able to go up on stage improvising infront of the school and deciding for myself what I thought was important, not what those around me said was important. My advice is based in my own expierience of dealing with depression and angst. While I did not suffer physical pain, I was very depressed. I just quetsion why you have to call it an escape when it clearly can be a real part of your life and I claim it is. Enjoying anime is not an escape, it is just enjoyment. |
Mar 1, 2019 11:55 AM
#271
Safeanew said: I am not trying to be an asshole, by facing angst I got from having trouble breathing in class because I did not want to disturb the people around me to being able to go up on stage improvising infront of the school and deciding for myself what I thought was important, not what those around me said was important. My advice is based in my own expierience of dealing with depression and angst. While I did not suffer physical pain, I was very depressed. I just quetsion why you have to call it an escape when it clearly can be a real part of your life and I claim it is. Enjoying anime is not an escape, it is just enjoyment. Mindblowing concept: something that is used as an escape / relief can be a VERY real part of your life. It can be both. Imagine that. Also...I'm sorry, but grounding yourself in a moment of anxiety to experience the present and be able to cope translates over way differently than "just face the angst and the problems will be solved". Sometimes facing the angst is just that, facing angst and continous suffering, and nothing changes at all, or only in fact changes for the worse. If you want people to understand you and relate to you, you should really think about how you express yourself. And I'll end this with saying that advice for one person's issue can't be applied to every other issue. Everyone else isn't you and they don't think and feel like you. As such, anime can very well be an escape, it just isn't one for you. |
Mar 1, 2019 12:25 PM
#272
I understand that your goal here is to confront the persons who use the concept of escapism to discredit fiction, because they think that fiction is by nature unimportant, but I find your stance too radical. Of course there is meaning in fiction and in the act of consuming it, but people are in no way obligated to value this meaning, it isn't inherently good. In fact, in many cases, reflecting on fiction only ends up in disenchantment, which is the exact opposite of why most people consume fiction in the first place. Denying people the freedom to consider that they watch anime for escapism is both tyrannical and disconnected from reality. |
Mar 1, 2019 1:58 PM
#273
For me, anime/manga can be a pleasurable pass-time, to escapism, to just a plain addiction haha. But I mostly see it in a positive way, because anime can produce a lot of happy vibes/feels. |
Mar 1, 2019 4:02 PM
#274
stop trying to be smart. its escapism, plain and simple |
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Mar 1, 2019 5:10 PM
#275
It can be escapism in MANY cases,But as a form of art can easily becomes a critic or dark/lightearted vision of reality |
Mar 1, 2019 7:10 PM
#276
prety sure that just means that we're doomed O_O |
I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
Mar 1, 2019 7:14 PM
#277
Anime is just entertainment for me. Simple as that. |
Mar 1, 2019 7:16 PM
#278
please let this thread die, op is a troll |
No one can justify life by linking happy moments into a rosary. |
Mar 1, 2019 8:06 PM
#279
It really depends on what anime is to you. People have different opinions on anime itself with many people interested in different and the same genres. It is all about perception. One persons escape is another persons sanctuary. Personally anime is very special to me and is amazing in every way. All the stories you experience, all the people you meet, all the tears you shed, all the smiles you give are all relevant in making you happy. Escapism defines escaping by means of medium, so in an essence it can be. You can forget about your life and watch anime, however not everyone is the same. Anime for me is enjoyment and beauty. I watch anime, and i can apply to my personal life. It is great. It can lead you down many different paths. I will never stop watching anime, and those who do do not appreciate anime for the amazing beauty it is. Taking the time to lie down and watch one anime at a time is the real experience, not how many you can watch at a time. To conclude, anime can be viewed as escapism the same way playing video games can be perceived as escapism. For some people this is the case, for others it is for pure enjoyment. it doesn't matter what is viewed as real or not, after all the world is so extensive that one can not truly comprehend the possibilities Thankyou |
Mar 2, 2019 2:08 AM
#280
Mar 2, 2019 2:44 AM
#281
I don't know.I mean,we don't know why are we here and why are we born so maybe some of us were born just to watch anime.It isn't written anywhere what we are meant to do in our life and what is wrong or good for us.There isn't just one big Truth but a lot of different opinions created by our way of seeing the world.So anime can be escapism to the people who think in life there are more important things than Anime,but also it can be somenthing important and part of their life to the people who think Anime is equal or even more important than other things.For me Anime is just an hobby and it never will be something more in my life and something special to dedicate my life. |
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Mar 2, 2019 4:51 AM
#282
Life in itself is escapism. The only question is weather escapism is really bad when it doesn't matter either way and escapism atleast gives you the comfortability of being narrow. |
Mar 2, 2019 7:32 AM
#283
holysauron said: I think you should give up on having such a discussion with the people of AD because the amount of simpletons found here is frightening. Anyway, to me anime is something I grew up with and can tie to my interest in Japanese culture. I know it's a very distorted view of said culture but whenever I can find something in there I can always look it up. I love learning about things I didn't know about so it's not like a punishment or something. One example I can give is Aria The Animation which is my first ever iyashikei. Before I watched it I looked up what iyashikei is and found a term called mono no aware, which basically means "the pathos of things". It's basically just knowing that everything ends or changes with time and the feeling it induces. I watched Aria to know that feeling. Another reason why I watch anime is because they can be great thinkpieces. I'm the kind of person that just needs to ponder about things and can easily spend half an hour on thinking about something that interests me. This can be some message I got from some series (Monogatari and Medaka box are great for this) or just trying to figure out what the creators are trying to convey. This is actually the reason why I like the dementia genre so much since it gives you lots of food for thought. So I should thank you for giving me such an interesting topic to think about. It's a true breath of fresh air compared to all the bullshit I have to encounter here on a daily basis. Ah yes, we're all such simpleotons not like OP just had his first philosophy class and decided to share his enlightement with us. OP here, quite frankly, is spouting nonsensical shit. The fact that you boil it down to others being simpleotons is actually frightening but whatever. By the way, being a simpleoton has nothing to with it, if pepole don't want to think deeper about the things they watch and just want to escape their daily lives for a couple of minutes/hours, it's completly fine and understanable but don't tell us that we're simpleotons when a person is going out of their way to sound confusing(said it himself) and make vague arguments including a lot of mental gymnastics and plain semantics, thanks. The idea about discussions is being as clear as possible not the opposite so in fact OP actually isn't encouraging any discourse. |
AstZeroMar 2, 2019 7:43 AM
The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side. |
Mar 2, 2019 9:17 AM
#284
It's just another word for cartoons. |
Mar 2, 2019 9:35 AM
#285
AstZero said: holysauron said: I think you should give up on having such a discussion with the people of AD because the amount of simpletons found here is frightening. Anyway, to me anime is something I grew up with and can tie to my interest in Japanese culture. I know it's a very distorted view of said culture but whenever I can find something in there I can always look it up. I love learning about things I didn't know about so it's not like a punishment or something. One example I can give is Aria The Animation which is my first ever iyashikei. Before I watched it I looked up what iyashikei is and found a term called mono no aware, which basically means "the pathos of things". It's basically just knowing that everything ends or changes with time and the feeling it induces. I watched Aria to know that feeling. Another reason why I watch anime is because they can be great thinkpieces. I'm the kind of person that just needs to ponder about things and can easily spend half an hour on thinking about something that interests me. This can be some message I got from some series (Monogatari and Medaka box are great for this) or just trying to figure out what the creators are trying to convey. This is actually the reason why I like the dementia genre so much since it gives you lots of food for thought. So I should thank you for giving me such an interesting topic to think about. It's a true breath of fresh air compared to all the bullshit I have to encounter here on a daily basis. Ah yes, we're all such simpleotons not like OP just had his first philosophy class and decided to share his enlightement with us. OP here, quite frankly, is spouting nonsensical shit. The fact that you boil it down to others being simpleotons is actually frightening but whatever. By the way, being a simpleoton has nothing to with it, if pepole don't want to think deeper about the things they watch and just want to escape their daily lives for a couple of minutes/hours, it's completly fine and understanable but don't tell us that we're simpleotons when a person is going out of their way to sound confusing(said it himself) and make vague arguments including a lot of mental gymnastics and plain semantics, thanks. The idea about discussions is being as clear as possible not the opposite so in fact OP actually isn't encouraging any discourse. I'm not only talking about this thread here. The only threads that don't seem to be misunderstood are the ones that are done a million times already like "what trap is the best" or all those threads about how much they hate those self insert protagonists. As soon as there is a slightly different thread it usually goes down the drain because of the sheer stupidity you find here on a regular basis. I once made a thread about how well generally feminist ideas are executed but it ended being locked because people here automatically went like "Feminism? Me don't like feminism" while it doesn't take lots of brainpower to just read the OP. Or even better, a thread where I asked about peoples opinion on anime influenced by H.P. Lovecraft but people just started listing all the anime they think has the influence without even giving their opinion. I even changed the title on the latter to make my intentions perfectly clear but it was no use. So yeah, the general userbase on AD consists out of simpletons. I know I'm sounding arrogant here which I just hate to come off like but in this case it's the truth. In the case of this thread I don't agree with what OP is saying and, indeed by his own admittance, he's being intentionally vague but to me it's still an interesting thread. If you don't want to put in the brainpower you can just let the thread be. Nobody said you had to answer here. |
Mar 2, 2019 9:43 AM
#286
Anime is escapism if entertainment is escapism. Entertainment is escapism if the lack of entertainment is suffering. The lack of entertainment is suffering if suffering is the indefinite exposure to a state of unpleasantness. If life as we know it involves the indefinite exposure to a state of unpleasantness, then life is suffering, from which we need to escape from through some form of entertainment, like anime. |
You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
Mar 2, 2019 9:59 AM
#287
holysauron said: In the case of this thread I don't agree with what OP is saying and, indeed by his own admittance, he's being intentionally vague but to me it's still an interesting thread. If you don't want to put in the brainpower you can just let the thread be. Nobody said you had to answer here. There's really not much difference between what you call a simpleton and someone who starts threads with so vague a proposition the OP has to spend the entire thread reexplaining and contradicting himself since all he's doing is using terms he himself coined for already existing concepts (which is just an arrogant self-important pretension) and applying new meanings to terms so to fit his rambling narrative. Both of them beget the same kind of dull, pointless discussion you criticise in your reply. I'd even say the 'simpletons' are slightly better. At least they're not trying to be pretentious sophists striving to sound clever by being unnecessarily vague while basing their entire argument in mere assumptions they have no means of providing evidence for. And worse, insisting on this nonsensical babble, more a monologue than a discussion. A person who engages in a discussion with delusions of grandeur but in reality has nothing of worth to say is no different from a simpleton. |
Mar 2, 2019 10:34 AM
#288
holysauron said: AstZero said: holysauron said: I think you should give up on having such a discussion with the people of AD because the amount of simpletons found here is frightening. Anyway, to me anime is something I grew up with and can tie to my interest in Japanese culture. I know it's a very distorted view of said culture but whenever I can find something in there I can always look it up. I love learning about things I didn't know about so it's not like a punishment or something. One example I can give is Aria The Animation which is my first ever iyashikei. Before I watched it I looked up what iyashikei is and found a term called mono no aware, which basically means "the pathos of things". It's basically just knowing that everything ends or changes with time and the feeling it induces. I watched Aria to know that feeling. Another reason why I watch anime is because they can be great thinkpieces. I'm the kind of person that just needs to ponder about things and can easily spend half an hour on thinking about something that interests me. This can be some message I got from some series (Monogatari and Medaka box are great for this) or just trying to figure out what the creators are trying to convey. This is actually the reason why I like the dementia genre so much since it gives you lots of food for thought. So I should thank you for giving me such an interesting topic to think about. It's a true breath of fresh air compared to all the bullshit I have to encounter here on a daily basis. Ah yes, we're all such simpleotons not like OP just had his first philosophy class and decided to share his enlightement with us. OP here, quite frankly, is spouting nonsensical shit. The fact that you boil it down to others being simpleotons is actually frightening but whatever. By the way, being a simpleoton has nothing to with it, if pepole don't want to think deeper about the things they watch and just want to escape their daily lives for a couple of minutes/hours, it's completly fine and understanable but don't tell us that we're simpleotons when a person is going out of their way to sound confusing(said it himself) and make vague arguments including a lot of mental gymnastics and plain semantics, thanks. The idea about discussions is being as clear as possible not the opposite so in fact OP actually isn't encouraging any discourse. I'm not only talking about this thread here. The only threads that don't seem to be misunderstood are the ones that are done a million times already like "what trap is the best" or all those threads about how much they hate those self insert protagonists. As soon as there is a slightly different thread it usually goes down the drain because of the sheer stupidity you find here on a regular basis. I once made a thread about how well generally feminist ideas are executed but it ended being locked because people here automatically went like "Feminism? Me don't like feminism" while it doesn't take lots of brainpower to just read the OP. Or even better, a thread where I asked about peoples opinion on anime influenced by H.P. Lovecraft but people just started listing all the anime they think has the influence without even giving their opinion. I even changed the title on the latter to make my intentions perfectly clear but it was no use. So yeah, the general userbase on AD consists out of simpletons. I know I'm sounding arrogant here which I just hate to come off like but in this case it's the truth. In the case of this thread I don't agree with what OP is saying and, indeed by his own admittance, he's being intentionally vague but to me it's still an interesting thread. If you don't want to put in the brainpower you can just let the thread be. Nobody said you had to answer here. Somebody else pointed out the irony in your response so I rest my case. Though i will say it's funny how little thought went into your reply while you called others simpleotons while I explained why the thread is going the way it is. Neither did you have to call others simpleotons for not giving this obviously bad thread some thought but the fact that you did and then defended it irked me so yeah. This thread isn't different as you stated it's just plainly and simply bad with really bad argumentation. |
AstZeroMar 2, 2019 10:38 AM
The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side. |
Mar 2, 2019 10:46 AM
#289
I’ve reported this shitpost twice now and it still ain’t locked :X How can the mods not tell OP is obviously shitposting... |
Lolicons are scum. BABYMETAL is more metal than Metallica. Naruto is objectively the best anime ever. HxH 99' is decent. HxH 11' is bad. |
Mar 2, 2019 10:50 AM
#290
People now call hobbies "escapism"? But the word hobby has worked just fine all these years. |
Mar 2, 2019 10:54 AM
#291
Satyr_icon said: holysauron said: In the case of this thread I don't agree with what OP is saying and, indeed by his own admittance, he's being intentionally vague but to me it's still an interesting thread. If you don't want to put in the brainpower you can just let the thread be. Nobody said you had to answer here. There's really not much difference between what you call a simpleton and someone who starts threads with so vague a proposition the OP has to spend the entire thread reexplaining and contradicting himself since all he's doing is using terms he himself coined for already existing concepts (which is just an arrogant self-important pretension) and applying new meanings to terms so to fit his rambling narrative. Both of them beget the same kind of dull, pointless discussion you criticise in your reply. I'd even say the 'simpletons' are slightly better. At least they're not trying to be pretentious sophists striving to sound clever by being unnecessarily vague while basing their entire argument in mere assumptions they have no means of providing evidence for. And worse, insisting on this nonsensical babble, more a monologue than a discussion. A person who engages in a discussion with delusions of grandeur but in reality has nothing of worth to say is no different from a simpleton. Satyr_icon said: holysauron said: In the case of this thread I don't agree with what OP is saying and, indeed by his own admittance, he's being intentionally vague but to me it's still an interesting thread. If you don't want to put in the brainpower you can just let the thread be. Nobody said you had to answer here. There's really not much difference between what you call a simpleton and someone who starts threads with so vague a proposition the OP has to spend the entire thread reexplaining and contradicting himself since all he's doing is using terms he himself coined for already existing concepts (which is just an arrogant self-important pretension) and applying new meanings to terms so to fit his rambling narrative. Both of them beget the same kind of dull, pointless discussion you criticise in your reply. I'd even say the 'simpletons' are slightly better. At least they're not trying to be pretentious sophists striving to sound clever by being unnecessarily vague while basing their entire argument in mere assumptions they have no means of providing evidence for. And worse, insisting on this nonsensical babble, more a monologue than a discussion. A person who engages in a discussion with delusions of grandeur but in reality has nothing of worth to say is no different from a simpleton. Is that last line about me or OP? Or maybe both? Anyway, I for someone calling others simple I should've known better not keeping the first part of my initial post to myself. I'm not going to eat my words but think them throigj a bit better. |
Mar 2, 2019 11:16 AM
#292
Hokage_Jason said: From what I can say, this post is fine, so moderators can not remove it.I’ve reported this shitpost twice now and it still ain’t locked :X How can the mods not tell OP is obviously shitposting... |
Mar 2, 2019 12:03 PM
#293
Skana said: Hokage_Jason said: From what I can say, this post is fine, so moderators can not remove it.I’ve reported this shitpost twice now and it still ain’t locked :X How can the mods not tell OP is obviously shitposting... Naw trolling is against the rules, and the OP is obviously trolling. With a strong enough understanding of English vocabulary you can spot oxymorons and contradictions in not only his original post but almost every single one of his replies. At first I thought it was possible he was just some stoned drop out who took a philosophy class or two, but 100 replies later it’s obvious he’s shit posting. And it’s working, thread is full of arguement over nothing. No one could actually be stupid enough to contradict themselves as much as the OP has, especially with the vocabulary he’s using. |
Lolicons are scum. BABYMETAL is more metal than Metallica. Naruto is objectively the best anime ever. HxH 99' is decent. HxH 11' is bad. |
Mar 2, 2019 10:17 PM
#294
Isn't escaping from the boring and monotonous routine life FOR A SHORT WHILE the very purpose of anime? If someone says that watching anime is escapism because anime is not realistic, I'll not agree with him. That's because almost no other form of entertainment is any more realistic. The fact that a movie/series/song contains something that we crave for but is not available in real life is what makes it entertaining. Take the example of movie "Inception". We all know that travelling in someone else's dream is impossible and unrealistic. But the depiction of that very unrealistic thing is what makes that movie so good to watch. Of course, different people have different tastes and preferences in entertainment. However, if someone says that anime is a means of escapism because one gets way too engrossed in it, I may agree with him on that point. But even this problem can be avoided if we stay dedicated to our work life and socially connected. "Social connection" doesn't necessarily mean going to parties and pubs. Even reading newspapers and remaining updated about what's happening around us or having casual conversations with our friends and colleagues may help and save us from the embarrassment of being labelled as a "weirdo". The thing is that anime cannot be a means of escapism unless we allow it to become so. Remember that anime "is just a drawing" and manage your time efficiently and you're good to go! |
Mar 2, 2019 10:40 PM
#295
Mar 2, 2019 10:55 PM
#296
Is it time for me to kick reality? Like, who wouldn't want life to be like in a manga or anime? Doesn't matter what medium. Sure, I'm sure we wouldn't want to end up in something dystopian and apocalyptic, but I also can't say that the world as it is is majorly improving itself as it is right now. It's not the late half of the 20th Century when we thought the next millennium would have flying cars and great technology that would not just improve our lives but the human condition throughout the world. The true reality is that the sins and wrongs of the past want plenty of the instigators to pay up, and unfortunately for those claiming they don't have any part in it, they are looking for next of kin. Shit's fucked with everyone scared shitless from the Great Recession of 2008 and how everyone is beginning to realize that the excesses of the Information Age is now rearing up its consequences. Don't get me wrong, we can't let these things go on and we have to try to attempt to fix them. At the same time, there are plenty of people who don't think there is anything wrong, those with the answers are not provided with the resources they need, and we also have people too scared to face karma and their karmic debts, including change and a need to be better. So if anything, sometimes you just need to go away from reality, because reality isn't perfect, and despite what change we are all capable of as humans, somethings require time or to just let it learn the hard way by leaving it alone to face its own consequences. Hell, sometimes we just have to be selfish in a time when current society has become so decadent and corrupt that we need to make our own world and stick it to those who cling to the affluence like how pompous overzealous worshippers cling to their gods sheepishly to protect them from everything life throws at them with instant miraculous answers. There will be times when we will have to act as our own adult, as well as to take care of ourselves and to face our own life's problems at the heart of it all. Until then, enjoy your anime and manga and enjoy your life. Fuck the haters and out with the trash. |
ROCK-IT-ONMar 2, 2019 11:02 PM
Mar 2, 2019 11:03 PM
#297
Of course anime is an escapism. So is everything else in life. We are all just trying to escape from the perpetual cycle of life and death haha, im so edgy... no but srs, modern objectivity is not a real thing. Just because you put two words together doesn't mean it has any meaning. |
Mar 3, 2019 3:27 AM
#298
Japanese people work hard, therefore they need an escape, therefore we have a market flooded with slice of life titles because there is a demand to unwind Anime is most definitely mostly an escape |
Mar 3, 2019 3:47 AM
#299
PrincessMeiMei said: Safeanew said: I am not trying to be an asshole, by facing angst I got from having trouble breathing in class because I did not want to disturb the people around me to being able to go up on stage improvising infront of the school and deciding for myself what I thought was important, not what those around me said was important. My advice is based in my own expierience of dealing with depression and angst. While I did not suffer physical pain, I was very depressed. I just quetsion why you have to call it an escape when it clearly can be a real part of your life and I claim it is. Enjoying anime is not an escape, it is just enjoyment. Mindblowing concept: something that is used as an escape / relief can be a VERY real part of your life. It can be both. Imagine that. Also...I'm sorry, but grounding yourself in a moment of anxiety to experience the present and be able to cope translates over way differently than "just face the angst and the problems will be solved". Sometimes facing the angst is just that, facing angst and continous suffering, and nothing changes at all, or only in fact changes for the worse. If you want people to understand you and relate to you, you should really think about how you express yourself. And I'll end this with saying that advice for one person's issue can't be applied to every other issue. Everyone else isn't you and they don't think and feel like you. As such, anime can very well be an escape, it just isn't one for you. I said nothing about solving your problem, just facing it. Well you seem to agree with me then that you have to call anime an escape for it to be an escape. My advice is for everyone because my claim is angst is the emotion of freedom without people having to believe it. |
Mar 3, 2019 3:51 AM
#300
thizlas said: I understand that your goal here is to confront the persons who use the concept of escapism to discredit fiction, because they think that fiction is by nature unimportant, but I find your stance too radical. Of course there is meaning in fiction and in the act of consuming it, but people are in no way obligated to value this meaning, it isn't inherently good. In fact, in many cases, reflecting on fiction only ends up in disenchantment, which is the exact opposite of why most people consume fiction in the first place. Denying people the freedom to consider that they watch anime for escapism is both tyrannical and disconnected from reality. I call it enjoying anime, not escapism, that is my only point. Calling it escapism is the real escapism, because one don't take the position one holds seriously, the fact that "I like anime and I live life like anyone else". Is not calling anything one really enjoys esapism kind of ridiculous, like one don't really enjoy it, one just do it to escape something. |
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