Goblin Slayer (light novel)
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redcobra said: MrMushin said: I respect your opinion, this is just mine. I never experienced Gantz but I did experience Berserk and the 90's tv adaption is actually one of my favorite shows. Like I said, it's not that the violence made me feel uncomfortable because it's violence, it's only that there was absolutely no reason for there to be so much violence basing on the first episode, Berserk has violence because the tragedy, that's why it makes sense, it has Guts, Griffith and Casca's characters explored and fully revealed through the climax tragedy, and for a tragedy like that to be effective, violence is necessary. In Goblin Slayer, they literally have random characters the audience simply do not care about get violated, I didn't feel nothing while watching it happens, that's what I meant and that's why I do not agree at all that it "fits perfectly". Like, do you really enjoy violence shows, just because they have violence? Sorry, but that I really can't understand. I am not going to drop it, it's no like I hate it or something, in my original post I said that I liked some stuff about this episode, it's just that the series is overall a bit questionable for me. basing on the first episode of course. The main character when he still kid his village got massacred by goblin and he the only one survive What the hell dude, why did you tell me that??? That's a huge spoiler. Wtf is wrong with you? I never said I wanted to know. I said BASED ON THE FIRST EPISODE. LoomyTheBrew said: MrMushin said: I respect your opinion, this is just mine. I never experienced Gantz but I did experience Berserk and the 90's tv adaption is actually one of my favorite shows. Like I said, it's not that the violence made me feel uncomfortable because it's violence, it's only that there was absolutely no reason for there to be so much violence basing on the first episode, Berserk has violence because the tragedy, that's why it makes sense, it has Guts, Griffith and Casca's characters explored and fully revealed through the climax tragedy, and for a tragedy like that to be effective, violence is necessary. In Goblin Slayer, they literally have random characters the audience simply do not care about get violated, I didn't feel nothing while watching it happens, that's what I meant and that's why I do not agree at all that it "fits perfectly". Like, do you really enjoy violence shows, just because they have violence? Sorry, but that I really can't understand. I am not going to drop it, it's no like I hate it or something, in my original post I said that I liked some stuff about this episode, it's just that the series is overall a bit questionable for me. basing on the first episode of course. It's to set the tone my dude. Not every death has to have meaning. This show is about slaying goblins and the brutality of the world, this is not as complex as Berserk and it doesn't have to be. Not every violent show has to have some deep under lying themes, sometimes it's fun to watch a show that's just brutal with high intensity action that isn't that deep. That's part of the appeal. Could be, might will be for me too. But I think I maybe need more episodes to feel that, I guess. epidemia78 said: MrMushin said: I respect your opinion, this is just mine. I never experienced Gantz but I did experience Berserk and the 90's tv adaption is actually one of my favorite shows. Like I said, it's not that the violence made me feel uncomfortable because it's violence, it's only that there was absolutely no reason for there to be so much violence basing on the first episode, Berserk has violence because the tragedy, that's why it makes sense, it has Guts, Griffith and Casca's characters explored and fully revealed through the climax tragedy, and for a tragedy like that to be effective, violence is necessary. In Goblin Slayer, they literally have random characters the audience simply do not care about get violated, I didn't feel nothing while watching it happens, that's what I meant. Maybe "uncomfortable" wasn't a good word. I am not going to drop it, it's no like I hate it or something, in my original post I said that I liked some stuff about this episode, it's just that the series is overall a bit questionable for me. basing on the first episode of course. The deaths and torment of the overconfident band of adventurers tells you a lot about the world these characters live in and that the threat the goblins present is underestimated by the adventurers guild. That's why I said based on the first episode, this could be the case but I will know its worth only in the upcoming episodes. KaeUBW said: MrMushin said: I respect your opinion, this is just mine. I never experienced Gantz but I did experience Berserk and the 90's tv adaption is actually one of my favorite shows. Like I said, it's not that the violence made me feel uncomfortable because it's violence, it's only that there was absolutely no reason for there to be so much violence basing on the first episode, Berserk has violence because the tragedy, that's why it makes sense, it has Guts, Griffith and Casca's characters explored and fully revealed through the climax tragedy, and for a tragedy like that to be effective, violence is necessary. In Goblin Slayer, they literally have random characters the audience simply do not care about get violated, I didn't feel nothing while watching it happens, that's what I meant and that's why I do not agree at all that it "fits perfectly". Like, do you really enjoy violence shows, just because they have violence? Sorry, but that I really can't understand. I am not going to drop it, it's no like I hate it or something, in my original post I said that I liked some stuff about this episode, it's just that the series is overall a bit questionable for me. basing on the first episode of course. Ok i understand you now. What you're saying is very reasonable and i agree with the Berserk part of your post too. As for your question...YES i do like some titles just because they have violence, gore, nudity and stuff like that. I can guarantee to you that i'm not the only one who likes stuff like that. You said you can't understand something like that, but think about this...you have Clannad: After Story as one of your favorite animes...isn't it because of all the drama and sad stuff that happens there? (just to be clear I like the first Clannad and I like drama too) People watch drama or romance because they want drama or romance, people watch comedy because they want a comedy so in the same way people watch violent stuff because they want to see violence. This is not that strange when you really think about it. I'm reading Dead Tube just because how much violence and nudity it has. It's fun to see that too. The story is strange and sometimes dumb...to say the least, but i still read everything translated just because the violence kept me going. I understand that people watch a show with high amount of violence because they want to watch high amount of violence, I am the same, I read a visual novel called Subahibi when I knew it has high amount of uncomfortable sexual scenes and horror madness (denpa) and I loved it, but there is an incredibly wide difference between watching something like Berserk and watching something like Ousama game. Both are shows with high amount of gore but I think it's obvious which one is more beloved because it's simply better. The same for Clannad, I love it because it did the drama/romance (and a lot of other stuff) fantastically, that's why I have Clannad as one of my favorite shows and not any other romance/drama show. |
MrMushinOct 8, 2018 6:46 AM
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Acernos said: They were bolder than I expected with the rape scene, honestly, something like that will undoubtedly infuriate many western SJW. well, what does not infuriate SJWs anyway ? in my case, I don't think I'll see this show, not because of the violence, but because it's an edgy(er) copy of overlord/re;zero/SAO, kinda how mahou shoujo site is for mahou shoujo madoka. and if I want a badass manly man, there's already DOOM, and DOOM Eternal. |
zebdalOct 8, 2018 6:57 AM
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Xion69 said: There is a reason for high suicide rate in Japan. I get the felling that author is a rape victim or witnessed rape. Had to watch few stand up special to get better. Technologically developed country but not a happy place to live. By that logic Go Nagai is a serial killer and Araki really hates animals, but that's wrong. It is a narrative resource to show how terrible the goblins are,The impact is bigger when the victim is a woman or a cute animal such as a dog or a cat. AND IT WORKS. Your reaction is the example of it. Compared to other works by DArk Phantasy, Goblin slayer is quite light., people is overreacting. Suicides in Japan is due to work and school stress dude. |
kofmasterOct 8, 2018 7:25 AM
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| Btw this isn't an "edgelord" anime. It uses brutality the same way as Death Note, Elfen Lied, etc. An "edgelord" anime would be something like Mirai Nikki. |
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| Too brutal! I like it |
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Boltz said: Btw this isn't an "edgelord" anime. It uses brutality the same way as Death Note, Elfen Lied, etc. An "edgelord" anime would be something like Mirai Nikki. Death Note and Elfen Lied can easily stand on the same dusty, hopefully forgotten shelf as Mirai Nikki when it comes to the edge factor. With Elfen Lied actually placed in the trash can next to the shelf. So this ep - really nice music, but the standard White Fox light novel adaptation visuals are an eyesore at this point. Suprisingly well integrated 3D model for the Slayer though. A lot of it is just shock value, but I won't scoff at that, it's good entertainment once in a while. Obviously all just a setup for the MC. I'm worried they're going to try and go 180 on the tone, hopefully that's not a thing, a lot of comedic lines after this ep would be jarring as hell. Giving it a chance for now. |
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GoldenChrysus said: No previous knowledge of Goblin Slayer before I saw this on the Fall list. Thought it would be another generic isekai-esque anime, but I'm pleasantly surprised that it doesn't hold back in the "cruelty" department, I suppose. From killing children, implied rape, and general gore in the first episode, this looks it won't be simply another game-like world where nothing actually bad happens. Oh yeah, this is from an interview: "Kagyu's writing style is influenced by older dark/classic fantasy novels like Lodoss Senki and Orphen. He hopes he can spark a revival of the classic genre he grew up with, against the current trend of lighthearted reincarnation/video game type fantasy novels." |
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| So many Twitter's post said the anime is shit after the rape screen in ep 1 Look like they expected those bright, fun, happy isekai again after first few minutes xD  The show was a Seinen show after all. They should have seen that coming. |
| Ahh, the classic "ecks dee the show is dark, therefore it's good" fallacy that always seems to plague the community. The whole, cutesy art style with dark and disturbing imagery is so cringe. I went in blind, but I could tell immediately what was going to happen and how it would play out. If you've watched enough anime, you knew immediately. That's why I'm shocked at how many people were surprised by all of this. For me, the only thing I was shocked by was how much of the rape was actually shown. Pretty depraved honestly. So I'd say this was just too predictable, while also adding something unnecessary for the sake of shock value. Thinking objectively, the best part of the episode was probably the Goblin Slayer's design. I liked Goblin Slayer himself though. He was smart and badass. When it comes to fantasy settings like this, I always wonder what route it'll take in terms of realism for fighting. It seems GS is going for a much more realistic and gritty route. For example, Grimgar took it very realistic way, but I think it utilized it much better than GS did. On the opposite side of the spectrum we have shows that basically just make it video gamey. I think the series that was able to strike that middle line, and my personal favorite, would be Danmachi. I'm not opposed to a more realistic depiction, in fact it's usually refreshing. Overall, very meh. Predictable, using shock for the sake of shock, and sort of boring. GS succeeded in one way though, I'm pretty sure we all despise goblins now. 2/5 |
takkun_Oct 8, 2018 8:33 AM
on154288 said: The show was a Seinen show after all. They should have seen that coming. There is no such thing as seinen show. It's LN adaptation, just because it has manga adaptations in seinen magazines it doesn't anything. Demographics don't indicate violence, gore or seriousness in the story, Snk and AgK are both serialized in shounen magazines, almost all cute girls doing cute things shows are in seinen magazines. |
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on154288 said: So many Twitter's post said the anime is shit after the rape screen in ep 1 Look like they expected those bright, fun, happy isekai again after first few minutes xD The show was a Seinen show after all. They should have seen that coming. Only idiots use twitter so it's working as intended |
| get fookded by goblins or get killed? which one is better? |
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evoniee said: I prefer the former. I figure it could be something of a thrill.get fookded by goblins or get killed? which one is better? |
| good first episode . everyone is saying this episode is to dark . imo it that f up cause i felt like I've seen worse . still a pretty promising first episode please dont end up like Akame Ga Kill . |
| "Mountains, beings, and nature's laws are bound by an arrangement, and within it, we live." -Mushishi Zoku Shou Suzu No Shizuku |
| Great comedy, woah early contender of AOTS. Jokes aside, I think the production value could have been better than this. Overall 2/5 |
Chendroshee said: This show is pretty much just a SoL anime with an over-the-top dark setting. Just based on the manga, the story goes nowhere beside explaining MC's backstory and meeting new friend. Every times it's just MC went to a dungeon, kill goblin, and that's it. Unless there's something i missed from the LN and there's some kind of plausible conclusion of how MC can kill every goblin or any ending that makes sense, then yeah, this show is just a SoL anime. That sounds like the kind of anime that I would drop |
| Rape and murder just for shock factor in the first episode? Wew lad this is going to be one massive piece of shit. Like you can show sexual assault in media, but when you do it just to grab attention it comes across as super exploitative. People who are pissed off that they just throw that shit in there have every reason to be. Shockingly, putting rape in your story doesn't automatically make it good. But people are still going to hype this shlock up as being super fucking mature because its competition in the fantasy genre this season is pussy shit like SAO. Go watch something like Texh or Jin-roh, or even Kaiba and tell me that Goblin Slayer is dark in comparison. And don't even get me fucking started on how bad the show's design and look are. |
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on154288 said: So many Twitter's post said the anime is shit after the rape screen in ep 1 Look like they expected those bright, fun, happy isekai again after first few minutes xD The show was a Seinen show after all. They should have seen that coming. lmao these plebs clearly didn't read the manga but at the same time the poster above me is right, it's quite a dilemma |
| So... shittier version of Berserk? I feel bad putting them in the same sentence LOL |
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Kerylon said: So... shittier version of Berserk? I feel bad putting them in the same sentence LOL The only thing in which both are related is that both are dark fantasies... |
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| Not sure what to think about it yet, but I like Goblin Slayer's voice. |
  I will show no mercy for you You had no mercy for me The only thing that I ask Love me mercilessly |
| An action adventure show where the enemies are all rapists. Biblical |
on154288 said: So many Twitter's post said the anime is shit after the rape screen in ep 1 Look like they expected those bright, fun, happy isekai again after first few minutes xD The show was a Seinen show after all. They should have seen that coming. If ppl dont like it they can go watch Overlord with their cheesey friendly goblins... |
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joe_g7 said: Natsuki_Hyundai said: The manga is worth reading just for the art alone: ...So the manga's no different from the LN. Got it. I don't know if not having those stupid chill scenes is a better idea though... I enjoyed a whopping ONE of those scenes from the LN... Well I might as well invoke the Three Episode Test for this since I'm going to be going to Disney the day after Ep 3 airs anyway. Also, you mentioning reminded me of a certain scene and it gave me a good laugh. Thanks for that lol dunno if it's the same the one you meant tho The scene I referred to was... Also TWELVE pages?! I knew this show was going to set people off but MAAAAAN... It was worth reading the LNs just so I can say I was on the early morning train for this! |
Psyotic said: And don't even get me fucking started on how bad the show's design and look are. What's wrong with designs? |
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NoviSun said: Blue_Reaper said: That's the very metaphor I was going to use today when I got up. This idea of something happened to me in real life, so I can no longer tolerate it in fiction is too much.LMAO my beloved cat died 3 years ago getting hit by a car, but until this day never a single moment in my life i ever feel uncomfortable seeing animal getting slaughtered in any media of fiction. why? because i moved freakin on. I've know several people in real life who either murdered, or got murdered. I knew one of the spree killers who wiped out his family of 4. Does that mean I can never again watch a cop show on TV without boo hoo hooing. No! As you said, life goes on even after the shtf, and while time doesn't completely heal squat, it does dull the pain. you two are... extremely insensitive. you DO realize everyone is different and has different experiences? you know people suffer from anxiety, have traumas, are triggered by different things and so on? just because such stuff doesn't affect YOU, doesn't mean it won't affect everyone else. YOU aren't the only person on Earth. what YOU feel isn't the only correct way to feel things. you're so full off yourself and are very immature if you take every attack on this anime as personal attack... grow up lol. from what you're saying I assume you've never been raped so you posibly can't have the slightest idea how those people feel, yet you dare to tell people their behaviour is "stupid". you're into gore and rape? cool. not everyone is. now move on and stop defending this anime as if your life depends on it because that's pretty pathetic. and immature. taste is 100% subjective. you can't force your views on others. "boo boo we warned people in the comments about the rape" yeah sure but who is dumb enough to read this thread before watching the episode lol... |
| They butchered it. In the manga there is no foreshadowing, the story doesn't start out with the wizard girl panicking so you dont really know where it's going, you also get the feeling that they are winning against the goblins which makes the despair at the heinous rape scenes and brutal dismemberment of that beta bitch all the more impactful, in this version they censored that and toned it down you dont get the full breadth of emotions, and the torture doesn't really have an impact because they hardly show anything. What the manga managed to do was to create a berserk like feel with overwhelming odds and struggling against fate, this was just poorly connected scenes with shitty action. |
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| Haha I think most MAL users are probably teenagers and can't handle some free violence, child abuse and rape, so they just trash-talking Goblin Slayer and rate it very bad. I know White Fox made such good anime as Steins;Gate or Re:Zero that make us depressive, but that's actually a bold and risky (double-edged sword) move to add some borderline hentai content (that's not as if I don't like it, but I'm a tiny bit suprised). In spite of that, this first episode is great. This is a very realistic dark fantasy universe (the MC is not that OP, but he's a good tactician and a veteran adventurer obsessed by killing goblins for ). |
KasuraSOct 8, 2018 4:13 PM
Mywifesson said: They butchered it. In the manga there is no foreshadowing, the story doesn't start out with the wizard girl panicking so you dont really know where it's going, you also get the feeling that they are winning against the goblins which makes the despair at the heinous rape scenes and brutal dismemberment of that beta bitch all the more impactful, in this version they censored that and toned it down you dont get the full breadth of emotions, and the torture doesn't really have an impact because they hardly show anything. What the manga managed to do was to create a berserk like feel with overwhelming odds and struggling against fate, this was just poorly connected scenes with shitty action. I've read that is a kind of mix between the novel and manga version (removing the flashback). I didnt read the novel yet. |
kofmasterOct 8, 2018 3:57 PM
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| Goblin Slayer >>> Dragon Slayer |
hassasin-1001Oct 8, 2018 4:12 PM
Mywifesson said: They butchered it. In the manga there is no foreshadowing, the story doesn't start out with the wizard girl panicking so you dont really know where it's going, you also get the feeling that they are winning against the goblins which makes the despair at the heinous rape scenes and brutal dismemberment of that beta bitch all the more impactful, in this version they censored that and toned it down you dont get the full breadth of emotions, and the torture doesn't really have an impact because they hardly show anything. What the manga managed to do was to create a berserk like feel with overwhelming odds and struggling against fate, this was just poorly connected scenes with shitty action. They way I've seen it described is that the manga adds more torture/rape that wasn't in the source material. I assume it's 1) to satisfy fetishes (and based on some topics here, I'm not entirely wrong) 2) done because manga readers are a bit slower than LN readers, so need to be reminded multiple times that rape and torture are bad to establish/understand the setting. Seems like they made the right choice in sticking to the original material, which is primarily about a dude killing the shit out of a bunch of goblins and those who ally with/use them. |
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| Goblins status: removed |
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Dreezo said: Goblins status: removed  Goblins status: erased now |
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Yavimaya said: Well! I guess you told me. I don’t believe any of this crap about tender feelings being hurt. NoviSun said: That's the very metaphor I was going to use today when I got up. This idea of something happened to me in real life, so I can no longer tolerate it in fiction is too much. I've know several people in real life who either murdered, or got murdered. I knew one of the spree killers who wiped out his family of 4. Does that mean I can never again watch a cop show on TV without boo hoo hooing. No! As you said, life goes on even after the shtf, and while time doesn't completely heal squat, it does dull the pain. you two are... extremely insensitive. you DO realize everyone is different and has different experiences? you know people suffer from anxiety, have traumas, are triggered by different things and so on? just because such stuff doesn't affect YOU, doesn't mean it won't affect everyone else. YOU aren't the only person on Earth. what YOU feel isn't the only correct way to feel things. you're so full off yourself and are very immature if you take every attack on this anime as personal attack... grow up lol. from what you're saying I assume you've never been raped so you posibly can't have the slightest idea how those people feel, yet you dare to tell people their behaviour is "stupid". you're into gore and rape? cool. not everyone is. now move on and stop defending this anime as if your life depends on it because that's pretty pathetic. and immature. taste is 100% subjective. you can't force your views on others. "boo boo we warned people in the comments about the rape" yeah sure but who is dumb enough to read this thread before watching the episode lol... I don’t care and the world doesn’t care. Grow up! |
hollowreaper541 said: Are u dumb u cant compare texnolyze and jinroh with goblin slayer all those tv series had deeper plot and inner meaning to it while this show is all about killing goblins and killing goblins there is no deeper meaning to it there is no such notion as saving the world bla.. bla..bla the mc only likes to slay goblins its kinda like the pc game doom so if don't like it STFU wew lad this is some galaxy brain shit right here like, a show being clearly better than another show isn't a reason to say that the two can't or shouldn't be compared. Additionally, Goblin Slayer isn't just about killing goblins, nothing really worthy of being called a story could be boiled down into such simple terms. In the first episode alone, Goblin Slayer makes a few assertions, two of which are of note are the following: Firstly, young people are naive of how brutal the outside world can be and that even simple tasks can end in disaster if the people undertaking them are arrogant and unprepared. The second claim is that, even if something (in this case baby goblins) do not pose and immediate threat but will pose an eventual threat, then it terminating that eventual threat is a just cause. Given these two points, the show clearly isn't just about killing Goblins in the same way a show like The Walking Dead isn't just about killing zombies. So even taking your foolish claim into account, my comparison still stands. and this is not the first time any movies or tv series have potrayed rape to picture the gruesomeness and brutality. No, but when it comes to something with as much gravity as sexual assault or rape, there are ways in which it can be handled to avoid it seeming exploitative. For example, Law & Order: SVU is a television show that is based around sexual violence, but it is capable of carrying itself in a way that is respectful of the subject matter. Compare that with the That Guy With The Glasses film "To Boldly Flee" in which there is a "comedic" scene where Linkara rapes Lindsey Ellis (something neither of the actors were comfortable with filming) and I think you can come away with two general rules when it comes to having rape in your story, the first one being chief: 1. If it isn't necessary to the story itself, then it shouldn't be included 2. If it's portrayed in such a way that even the actors are uncomfortable, then it shouldn't be included In the case of Goblin Slayer, while sure there are no female goblins, so the males need to rape humans in order to reproduce, that doesn't exactly justify showing it in such explicit detail. Implied violence can often be just as effective when it comes to these matters - even a show like SVU rarely shows sexual assault in explicit, unrelenting detail. bastek66 said: What's wrong with designs? The show basically immediately communicated the fact that the priest girl would be a significant character whereas the rest of her party would be otherwise irrelevant purely due to the amount of detail put into her design over her peers. In terms of the titular protagonist, a lot of the times it looks like he's animated at least in part by CG in a way that's really distracting. There were quite a few moments and shots where it looked like he was just posted on top of the background, rather than a part of the world he was in. |
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