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Sep 25, 2023 2:52 AM

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@Tekketsu_01 people really are blinded by nostalgia, in fact i liked way more ZZ than zeta watching them now for the first time
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Oct 28, 2023 10:22 AM
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I am conflicted. I really enjoyed Zeta for the first half/two-thirds. I enjoyed the perspective flip, i enjoyed seeing a new side of Casval, i even enjoyed Kamille. If it had continued on that track, id have given this show an 8/10, the first Gundam ive seen better than the original thus far. Buts thats not what happened, isnt it? The last stretch of the show was such a slog to get through that i lowered the overall rating to 7.But were not done yet. Because of our dear friend Reccoa, the worst character in all of Gundam, i have to dock the show an extra 3 points.

1 for having a plotline as impossibly stupid as Reccoas in it at all.

1 for having that impossibly stupid plotline be actually majorly plot-relevant, so you cant even ignore it.

And a final one because they made that already impossibly stupid plotline several magnitudes stupider by having her gass millions of innocent men, women and children to death.

And apparently Victory Gundam does even worse with its female characters? I genuinely have trouble believing that, but well cross that bridge when we get to it.

Great start, entertaining but gradually worsening middle, terrible final stretch.

Kamille was a great protagonist and im looking forward to his development in ZZ, even though hell probably not be the MC again. Emma was a great character, but im glad she died before Tomino had a chance to ruin her. Reccoa ruined this series.

4/10

Onward to ZZ!
Nov 23, 2023 7:56 PM
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fuck i loved this show. it got off to a really weird start, but i got so into it later. the origin manga was my introduction to gundam, and i was sort of worried that the 80s gundam shows would be silly or weird in comparison, but this was so fire. it was definitely silly in a lot of ways at first, and i have qualms with the way it sort of bashed you over the head with the similarities between the argama and white base, for example, but overall this was an amazing continuation to the story of gundam. i got spoiled for the ending, but damn did it still hit, and, like most of this show, took a bit to sink in. also, wow, this brand of bleak, ethereal 80s synthy mecha is something i can't get enough of. this may well be peak classic mecha, honestly.
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Dec 22, 2023 2:12 PM

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First, let me get this out of the way: Emma, you will be missed. Her death saddened me the most. She and Four were the best girls in the show - and, sadly, we lost both of them.

I've got to hand it to the show's creator: he chose a truly unconventional way to end the series. No happy ending, no narrator providing explanations, no words of consolation, everything appears broken (physically or mentally). I can only guess how it'd feel if I was living back in '85 and watched this series when it was broadcasted! Now, we can jump right into ZZ and watch the continuity. But then? So, it's really something to end a series like this!

Now, as an overall impression... I think Gundam Zeta reached its peak somewhere during the middle. The episodes that focused mostly on earth, where we saw Amuro and there was Four and everything seemed to progress smoothly. Up until then, it was awesome and an improvement over the 079 series in almost every aspect.

But the last part of the series was clearly inferior... Although Haman and Scirocco were worthy adversaries, the whole political agenda surrounding them was presented in a rushed way - and by the end, watching AEUG and Axis fighting one another almost made no sense. And how about those characters?... I've already written a lot about what I consider the show's biggest flaw: its characterization. Characters like Reccoa almost made no sense - perhaps they would make sense if they were better written and they were given backstories - but we didn't get any. Scirocco felt as "A-level villain" material, but, by the end, without getting any backstory on him, he, too, feels more like a stereotype. Characters like Jer(k)id? At first I thought we could see some kind of "progress" in him - but no. He was just an evil dude, basically a jerk, nothing more. Four or Rosammy? They could be potentially great characters - IF we had a chance to delve a little deeper in them.

That's how I felt about the second half of the series: a big "what if" potential that was lost.

Instead we got amazing action and one of the most unconventional endings I've ever seen, in any anime. Was it better than the first series? I'm not sure. I say yes, but not by far. To me, if the first series deserves a 7, this is an 8 out of 10: really enjoyable, but with some flaws that dragged it down. It's mostly the almost excellent first half, thirty episodes or so, that earns that 8, on my part. Can't hide I've got an urge to go on with ZZ right now - but there are many other anime on my watch list and, to tell you the truth, I'm a bit discouraged by ZZ's lower reputation. I'll probably watch it to make my own mind, sometime - but probably not right now.

By the way: whenever there was an attempt at romance, during this series, I thought of Macross (which I completed some months ago) and thought to myself: "Macross did romance and characterization better". As for the political stuff? Well, as I write these lines, I've already watched the first 15 episodes of The Legend of the Galactic Heroes - and all I say, now, is: now that's how you make a political space drama!

Still: Gundam is legendary for a reason. The action was superb and some of the characters have become personal favourites of mine (I still can't wait to see Sayla once again). And up until the middle, I thought Zeta Gundam was one of the best anime shows of the 80's. Perhaps it still is. This, alone, is no small feat.

Lethal_RabbitDec 22, 2023 2:32 PM
Dec 22, 2023 2:36 PM
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First, let me get this out of the way: Emma, you will be missed. Her death saddened me the most. She and Four were the best girls in the show - and, sadly, we lost both of them.

I've got to hand it to the show's creator: he chose a truly unconventional way to end the series. No happy ending, no narrator providing explanations, no words of consolation, everything appears broken (physically or mentally). I can only guess how it'd feel if I was living back in '85 and watched this series when it was broadcasted! Now, we can jump right into ZZ and watch the continuity. But then? So, it's really something to end a series like this!

Now, as an overall impression... I think Gundam Zeta reached its peak somewhere during the middle. The episodes that focused mostly on earth, where we saw Amuro and there was Four and everything seemed to progress smoothly. Up until then, it was awesome and an improvement over the 079 series in almost every aspect.

But the last part of the series was clearly inferior... Although Haman and Scirocco were worthy adversaries, the whole political agenda surrounding them was presented in a rushed way - and by the end, watching AEUG and Axis fighting one another almost made no sense. And how about those characters?... I've already written a lot about what I consider the show's biggest flaw: its characterization. Characters like Reccoa almost made no sense - perhaps they would make sense if they were better written and they were given backstories - but we didn't get any. Scirocco felt as "A-level villain" material, but, by the end, without getting any backstory on him, he, too, feels more like a stereotype. Characters like Jer(k)id? At first I thought we could see some kind of "progress" in him - but no. He was just an evil dude, basically a jerk, nothing more. Four or Rosammy? They could be potentially great characters - IF we had a chance to delve a little deeper in them.

That's how I felt about the second half of the series: a big "what if" potential that was lost.

Instead we got amazing action and one of the most unconventional endings I've ever seen, in any anime. Was it better than the first series? I'm not sure. I say yes, but not by far. To me, if the first series deserves a 7, this is an 8 out of 10: really enjoyable, but with some flaws that dragged it down. It's mostly the almost excellent first half, thirty episodes or so, that earns that 8, on my part. Can't hide I've got an urge to go on with ZZ right now - but there are many other anime on my watch list and, to tell you the truth, I'm a bit discouraged by ZZ's lower reputation. I'll probably watch it to make my own mind, sometime - but probably not right now.

By the way: whenever there was an attempt at romance, during this series, I thought of Macross (which I completed some months ago) and thought to myself: "Macross did romance and characterization better". As for the political stuff? Well, as I write these lines, I've already watched the first 15 episodes of The Legend of the Galactic Heroes - and all I say, now, is: now that's how you make a political space drama!

Still: Gundam is legendary for a reason. The action was superb and some of the characters have become personal favourites of mine (I still can't wait to see Sayla once again). And up until the middle, I thought Zeta Gundam was one of the best anime shows of the 80's. Perhaps it still is. This, alone, is no small feat.

Lethal_Rabbit said:
I can only guess how it'd feel if I was living back in '85 and watched this series when it was broadcasted! Now, we can jump right into ZZ and watch the continuity. But then? So, it's really something to end a series like this!
FWIW ZZ started airing the week after Zeta finished.
Dec 22, 2023 2:49 PM

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Lethal_Rabbit said:
I can only guess how it'd feel if I was living back in '85 and watched this series when it was broadcasted! Now, we can jump right into ZZ and watch the continuity. But then? So, it's really something to end a series like this!
FWIW ZZ started airing the week after Zeta finished.
@Raxivace Really? Well, that takes away some weight of my point then... It remains a hugely unconventional ending, of course - but it's surely different for a viewer to jump right into a new series after such a short while.
May 20, 2024 8:04 PM

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well this is the ending, and it is a sad one.
The fight was awasome, from kill no one to kill everyone, i'm sad for the poor Emma, this serie have a lot character who deserve a death, but Emma didn't.
Scirocco death was awesome but Kamille lose his metal health, really a sad final.

The anime has a lot of issue, annoying character, melodramatic shit, bad plot decision (Four and Rosamia comeback and whatever was Jerid), but the fight and ost were nice, for me is a 5.5 to 6/10

Best characters:
Char, Hamman, Yazan, Emma, Amuro and sometime Kamille

Worst character:
Jerid, Katz, Reccoa.

May 27, 2024 4:52 AM

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i am so empty inside
Oct 13, 2024 10:07 PM
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What a bizarre ending, definitely left me with a strange feeling mixed with a good amount of apathy. This show was such a mess, and I really think the ending epitomizes that. So much shit happens for no real reason, and even though it's pretty cool, it's ultimately a lot less meaningful.

This show was a real step down from the first series, which is pretty shocking honestly. The original show had such a good ending, and I feel like the ideas presented were really worth exploring. This show did a decent job at exploring the concept of Newtypes, but gave no real concrete answers to any of the questions posed even in the original series, let alone any new questions posed in this show.

I really don't know how to feel about this series. It feels more or less like a convoluted rehash of the original series. The convoluted nature actually does a lot to make episode to episode progression pretty enjoyable because you have no idea what the characters are going to do next. However, this really leaves most of the characters without any continuity in their progression, they all had about 20 episodes worth of development in an entire 50 episodes.

Idk what to make of this show. Apparently the sequel sucks too, so that really doesn't help with how much of a nonending this was.
Dec 30, 2024 12:26 AM
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everyone dies. the end! 😭
damn man, that was fucked. i really don't know how to feel. i feel very empty. what a way to end a show
kamille is alive at least but now he has freaky brain damage...yeowch!!!
they really had to get emma after killing off like 3 different characters didn't they?
also kamille hallucinating all his dead girlfriends. and char, scirocco, and haman having a gunfight showdown in a theater cracking stupid theater puns 😭 ohoho that got me
and THANK FUCKING GOD SCIROCCO'S DEAD. I HATED HIM FUCK YOU AND WHAT YOU DID TO MY GIRL SARAH
Jan 10, 3:46 AM

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Ep 33-50 end

Around ep 37 onwards I couldn't stand the anime anymore. It just has a boring character and the story starts to be very poorly written. Recooa's motivations are very retarded (I'm going to betray my team because the other guy treated me like a woman, aka, he made her a doormat). Katz was extremely irritating. I celebrated his death, he died like a fool. I asked myself, people have the technology to make mobile suits, but they can't put a simple lock on it to stop anyone from piloting them.

They finally killed Jerid, who suffered so much to die in 3 seconds. It seems that in the end, the director decided to get rid of everyone who was annoying.

I think the only death I felt was Emma Sheen's, she was arrogant, but she was a good character and she was sad about the death of the Radish captain and it was well written.

Finally, Kamille got a little better towards the end, but overall, I still prefer Amuro.

Overall, the anime started well, it had an interesting plot. But it had very bad characters and the story started to go wrong and the plot became lazy. Even the visuals started to deteriorate towards the end, with episodes that were very poorly designed and poorly animated.

Gundam 0079 was uglier, but I think it was better and even the drama I found more convincing. Ryu's death was much more dramatic and I felt it, since he was very present.

In Zeta, I didn't feel sorry for anyone.

Overall, score 6.0.
Apr 1, 12:13 PM

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Honestly a great ending for a very rushed last few episodes
May 19, 6:14 PM

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Definitely saved the best for last but fuck this hurt so much to watch. Emma deserved to see this war through, but the last 15 or so episodes speak to the brutality and senselessness of war. So many innocent lives lost for nothing and it only perpetuates the cycle of revenge. God seeing Scirocco impaled like that was amazing, but what happened to Kamille? Bro literally got his soul and mind taken! Poor Fa just returning to the Argamma with a broken Kamille and all her friends dead, horrible. Truly peak Gundam and one of the best sci fi stories ever.

I also love all the angst between Haman and Char in this one, she wanted him to switch over to her side so bad 😭
Jun 29, 3:32 PM
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A fitting ending to a terrible/horrible series. That the boy with the faggy name that acted like a retard during 80% of the series, ended up an actual retard.

It baffles me beyond comprehension how this series didn't kill off the Gundam franchise off once and for all! How I ask myself? Baffling?!

Zero plot, horrible, horrible characters, way too many to mention them all, I'll have to mention like 99.99% of all the characters on this series.

OG series characters were simply assassinated & butchered & emasculated, looking at you Amuro/Char.
And for what? To elevate a pathetic, weak, imbecile boy that never learned anything and certainly never grew up.

Way too much "candy" new age infused mumbo jumbo. The OG one had it fair share of it, but it was just a small dash, just enough not to be annoying. This series went overboard with the preachiness & pretentiousness.

Way, way to much racism & misandry. If any anime series would have said half of the things this one said but towards women we would never hear the end of it. About how "toxic" & "misogynistic" the series is towards females/girls yadda, yadda, yadda.
Jul 17, 10:44 AM

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This was such a tragic ending, I don't know what to do with myself. I'm not sure I've ever been affected by a death like this, if Kamille really is dead. I feel like I died too. Tomino shows us that even when you're the good guy in a war, you can't come out unscathed.
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That theater part somehow felt amazing to me, a dramatic new reveal every 10 seconds. Dementia is in many ways worse than just dead, but maybe Kamille can life a new life with new memories (unlike real dementia)? I'm curious how the next series will tackle this. He seemed fine is SRW 30.

I saw a lot of flaws, but i also saw some interesting things you rarely say these days. The last few episodes felt as dark as some of the (good) Game of Thrones stuff. The is a lot of formulaic junk and dated dialogues about all things not regarding the battle tactics and politics. I don't watch most series for romance so when i don't like it i just block it out, but even i can see that it sucked here. But the highlights really stayed with me. A show with a few high highs but also a lot of lows. But enough to satisfy me with the expectations i had for a 80' show that didn't know where it would be going beforehand and had probably a lot of mandatory pointless mech battles in it. I can't fault it for trying new things, a whole lot that laid a basis for later entries. Enjoyment really depends on what you focus on. Maybe i have a lot of mercy for older titles? For me it beats all those modern Isekai's any day of the week.

characters i liked: Char (very much so), Amuro (more than last series), Kamile (second half only), Emma (dependable and loyal), Bright (and some of the crew of the ships), Some of the villains (Scirocco, Haman, Yazan)
Fa slowly grew on me, never especially liked or disliked.
Disliked: the rest :/

8/10
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Sep 7, 12:34 PM

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Holy... that ending was cold. 0079 was kind of hopeful at the end with Amuro saving everyone with the power of Newtypes; Zeta straight up killed Kamille's soul. It was really too much for a teenage kid to swallow that many death he "failed" to prevent. (Which was never his fault in the first place.)

0079 was great at depicting the horror of war, I think I still liked it better. But Z interestingly gave a particular emphasize on its effects on kids and (unwilling) women. Overall, this series really gave me uncomfortable feelings at times. But I thought it was quite a unique one, even compared to 0079. I really liked Kamille as the protagonist, he was more interesting than Amuro.


Reccoa didn't stop Kamille at killing Scirocco, unlike Sarah. Did she have a change of mind at her last monologue? Which was why she said women are just tools for men?


Also, that theater scene was so damn cool.




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- why tf did neither Shirocco nor Haman destroy the colony laser?! They were both inside the most vulnerable parts of it. Literally randomy stray shots would have done enough damage to keep it from being used. Instead, they both gave up even their Gundam-piloted advantage to meet up with Char inside a theater for a dramatic scene. LOL

- there's no way Char died, right? I mean, the explosion SHOULD have killed him, but that one metal wall so conspicuously covered his Gundam shortly before the explosion ...

- Kamille turning full-r****ed was funny as hell.

- Less funny: So the Zeta Gundam now gets a random power up? In the last episode? Sorry, but that's bs. I really though these special powers were Kamille's as a newtype. Instead suddenly that piece of junk that was just being used like any other Gundam got special powers? Honestly, I'm much more impressed that Shirocco could keep up with Kamille, even overpower him without this out-of-nowhere special power.

- Now that's a sudden end that doesn't show us anything. Time to find out where the story continues, huh.

- WHY did Emma die?! Nothing happened to her, but she just ... stopped living. Way to honor the sacrifice of Heinken and the Radish's crew
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