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adamfreddy said: dropped. cant handle this rape shit anymore Agree 100%, definitely not watching the rest. Is why i also dropped Kings Game after 2 episodes... can't stand it and it seems to creep in on so many anime these days :( |
| I don't get why are you so offended? I don't believe that pussy Alexis was your selfinsert. |
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| It was heartbreaking to see Marine choose the dishonest path even though we knew what those born in royalty breed. This just raised a disheartening death flag. I can see Milza ending up dead at the end only to realize he had already been taken over. Villar is gonna use this alliance as a foothold to end his cursed Keirsche bloodline to reign supreme! |
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| Whoa, this show took a decidedly mature turn rapidly. The seemingly dense protagonist Theo finally got his shit together and confessed to Siluca, and she expectedly reciprocated. But then intense chemical warfare with graphic deaths... who needs actual fighting when you can just use poison I guess. Marrine really should not have done that, it was an upsetting moment that she clearly didn't want despite consenting to. But it just goes to show how far she's willing to go to succeed. I guess the best word to sum up this would irreversible. I doubt the tone will return to light-hearted any time soon. |
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AbattoirRat said: GreenEmu said: Jesus those last few minutes. They made that scene pretty explicit. To be honest I felt disgusted watching it. It felt like fan service at the cost of character development. I'm confused what the ending scene meant to convey. I could see her throwing her virginity away, tarnishing herself in a "point of no return" kind of way to sever her feelings, to focus on her goals, but in this way? It just felt like sloppy writing. There was room for debauchery and character development, but on a whim? It wasn't even a condition for their alliance. He just asked and she said okay. And I know this goes beyond anime logic, but yes, please, lets strip defenseless in front of the assassin who currently works for my enemy. TL; DR - The sex was pointless and hurt the show. Conquest is an euphemism for sex in this kind of context. Everybody both knew what he meant when he stated that which is Marrine's attendants where freaked out. And more amused that a lot of people her are more outraged about the consensual than the fact she just used chemical warfare and violated the equivalent of Geneva Convention in their world. Who knows what kind of atrocities she is willing to commit now that she has crossed that line? Enternal said: Tokoya said: I swear to god, every time I think that this forum cannot possibly get even more hilariously stupid, I end up being horribly wrong Like Jesus Christ what is this thread even lol, do any of you vanilla posters even know what rape is? How in the flying fuck was this anything close to rape xD This woman gave consent and that alone warrants this as not being rape And don't get me started on this NTR shit too lol, her and Alexis aren't even together....Like have any of you ever watched any type of medieval program before? Rulers of kingdoms like this always do this kind of stuff whether or not its marrying off into another family to unite them or cases like this I can't believe that this thread is full of all this bitching lol....Regardless, this episode was GREAT, the only ship that matters fully took off, the action scenes were awesome, the example of guerilla warfare with the miasma attack was spot on (It's supposed to be petty like that) and that ending was just wow lol....Did not expect that to happen at all but hey, stuff like this happens It's considered coercion rape (legal phrasing is sexual coercion) where one party pressured the other into sex through promising something. In this situation, he basically gave her a "choice" between having sex with him to win or don't have sex with him and lose. A bit similar to having your family held hostage and the perpetrator give you a choice to save your family by having sex with him. You don't have to save your family. In addition, her expression and tears during the whole thing was clearly saying "no." Even the maids were crying. That's clearly a "no." That's what made the whole scene disgusting. Added to the insult, apparently neither were actually enjoying it. It was simply a test of conviction. Either way, like you said, what matters is the true ship that took off and that was GLORIOUS. I don't think that applies in this case. First she came to him and he gave her demands and she accepted. It was not something she was forced to do as the option of turning it down and walking away was there. She could have still won the war without his help, it would just been much harder. |
Iron_MawMar 3, 2018 5:22 PM
Jagd84 said: Conquest is an euphemism for sex in this kind of context. Everybody both knew what he meant when he stated that which is Marrine's attendants where freaked out. And more amused that a lot of people her are more outraged about the consensual than the fact she just used chemical warfare and violated the equivalent of Geneva Convention in their world. Who knows what kind of atrocities she is willing to commit now that she has crossed that line? Lots of insecure kids who can't handle more mature plot devices. And like you said the fact that she commited warcime atrocities which are even outlawed in this medival setting: No one bats an fucking eye. but having consenting sex for politcal reason that's where they draw the line. These guys are the worst. |
| I'm more annoyed by the fact on how those knights which are considered the elite and can destroy a castle wall with crossbows could be easily overwhelmed by a single opponent with no armor and not only in long range combat but also at close combat. Damn this guy has more plot armor than Kira Yamato from Gundam Seed. This queen was a complete hypocritical bitch since her wedding, I'm not surprised at all with everything she did in this episode. |
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Count me surprised. I thought Theo x Siluca was never actually going to happen. Nice to see it has. LOL'd so much at that "sex" scene at the end though. Dude's like, "sure I'll join ya, but you are the price." |
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| Oh boi that escalated quickly! It went from a good episode with Theo confessing his love to an awesome one with that ending |
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| Peoples dropping the anime for that ending and being shocked by it when it was one of the best moment in this anime... |
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Aleskar said: Jagd84 said: Conquest is an euphemism for sex in this kind of context. Everybody both knew what he meant when he stated that which is Marrine's attendants where freaked out. And more amused that a lot of people her are more outraged about the consensual than the fact she just used chemical warfare and violated the equivalent of Geneva Convention in their world. Who knows what kind of atrocities she is willing to commit now that she has crossed that line? Lots of insecure kids who can't handle more mature plot devices. And like you said the fact that she commited warcime atrocities which are even outlawed in this medival setting: No one bats an fucking eye. but having consenting sex for politcal reason that's where they draw the line. These guys are the worst. So, Marrine started tearing up when the prince made his move, so to speak. Personally speaking, that annoyed me a little. She made this choice so she doesn't get to feel sad about it. Especially not after releasing all that miasma. I really hope that comes back to haunt her. Aside from that, I still have mixed feelings about this show. I do like this new, bloodier direction. However, it's still moving way too fast. Maybe I'd care more about Marrine if the show would slow down and develop its characters. Episode 8 wasn't enough for me to care about Marrine's 180 degree personality turn. |
SithSteelMar 3, 2018 5:29 PM
| I have to say after watching the last few minutes of this episode in fucking annoyed as shit. Maybe its because im a male and can sympathies with alexis but what happened made no sense. And she was with her two guards or maids or whatever and she was armed, she should have killed him. Nope, i hate those two character now and forever, neither can be redeemed and i hope they all die painful deaths. On a slightly more positive note, im glad theo and siluca's relationship is progressing, i just hope to the love of god that she doesn't get raped because after this i am now quite worried. |
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Otaku_Joe said: I have to say after watching the last few minutes of this episode in fucking annoyed as shit. Maybe its because im a male and can sympathies with alexis but what happened made no sense. And she was with her two guards or maids or whatever and she was armed, she should have killed him. Nope, i hate those two character now and forever, neither can be redeemed and i hope they all die painful deaths. On a slightly more positive note, im glad theo and siluca's relationship is progressing, i just hope to the love of god that she doesn't get raped because after this i am now quite worried. You really think Milza wasn't also armed? He could probably kill her with just his bare hands. Attendants or no attendants. |
SithSteel said: Otaku_Joe said: I have to say after watching the last few minutes of this episode in fucking annoyed as shit. Maybe its because im a male and can sympathies with alexis but what happened made no sense. And she was with her two guards or maids or whatever and she was armed, she should have killed him. Nope, i hate those two character now and forever, neither can be redeemed and i hope they all die painful deaths. On a slightly more positive note, im glad theo and siluca's relationship is progressing, i just hope to the love of god that she doesn't get raped because after this i am now quite worried. You really think Milza wasn't also armed? He could probably kill her with just his bare hands. Attendants or no attendants. I'd rather fight and die than be force to agree. |
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Otaku_Joe said: SithSteel said: You really think Milza wasn't also armed? He could probably kill her with just his bare hands. Attendants or no attendants. I'd rather fight and die than be force to agree. He didn't force her, though. |
He gave her an ultimatum, that's practically forcing. |
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Not really. She could have easily walked away and found some other ally to defeat Villar or just continued onward without Milza. |
exsion said: Did anyone notice that they used the same music piece for when Marrine and Alexis promised each other as when Marrine agreed to Mirza's demands? It seems like they used a lot of contrasts and comparisons in the episode to build an effect. Whether or not it was cleverly used or just an excuse for poor story telling is up to debate. No. They did mean that. But that doesn't change that the scene, as well as the whole anime, is a failure. =D |
SithSteel said: Not really. She could have easily walked away and found some other ally to defeat Villar or just continued onward without Milza. Maybe she is just really stupid |
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Otaku_Joe said: SithSteel said: Not really. She could have easily walked away and found some other ally to defeat Villar or just continued onward without Milza. Maybe she is just really stupid Perhaps. This show could be a lot better if it just slowed down a little and explained things. |
| This episode was bold and great, split in two parts that contrast each other. Between Siluca & Theo's confirming their love for each other(mby they did it too,mby not, who knows! but damn does heavy rain bring people together < 3). Then between Mirza & Marine which, along with her taking that commander's crest by killing him & getting all bloodied, confirms her commitment towards the warpath she's decided to take. The scene making it very apparent how unpleasant & dirty she felt during the sex scene went to extra lengths to show her drive, as well as Mirza's drive of conquest(in many forms apparently). Goes without saying that such expressive scenes will come at the cost of upsetting some people ~ WHAT A SHAME! |
| Dropped for the last scene. Glad theo and siluca got together but i'm not watching a series that feels the need to add that kind of plot into it. I'll just think of this series as ending about 15 minutes into episode 9 |
| I don't usually score an anime before I've finished it but this one is gonna get a permanent 6/10 simply because I know how it ends, if Marianne wasn't such a moron it could have easily scored higher smh. It had the potential to be great like Arslan Senki but this poor turn of events that exists purely for shock value has left a sour taste in my mouth, unity through marriage was the correct path as unity though force isnt, the more the war continues then the more people will be killed and therefore less people to fight the true enemy. |
| Pussies like Alexis deserves to get NTRd anyways Milza is alpha af lol and my man Theo, I take back what I said about this series in the first episode being generic, okay TheoxSiluca is still generic af infact I called it. but the overall show itself ain't generic Also to the people who calls the last scene "rape" wtf was the meaning of rape changed when I was asleep or something lol |
ManlyTear said: This episode was bold and great, split in two parts that contrast each other. Between Siluca & Theo's confirming their love for each other(mby they did it too,mby not, who knows! but damn does heavy rain bring people together < 3). Then between Mirza & Marine which, along with her taking that commander's crest by killing him & getting all bloodied, confirms her commitment towards the warpath she's decided to take. The scene making it very apparent how unpleasant & dirty she felt during the sex scene went to extra lengths to show her drive, as well as Mirza's drive of conquest(in many forms apparently). Goes without saying that such expressive scenes will come at the cost of upsetting some people ~ WHAT A SHAME! Not at all, 70% of the people who reply here with the redundant dropped word are 1 post alts, they do not post with their main account because they will continue to watch it till the very end. Trust me, more people will watch from now on. :) Also yea, if it wasn't for the last events the serie still be very mediocre and generic with the same 2 pages comments. A-1 producers get good response and praise from the fans in Japan for the whole adaption till now, so worry do not. |
Fn76Mar 3, 2018 10:42 PM
SithSteel said: Perhaps. This show could be a lot better if it just slowed down a little and explained things. Marinne had a choice and that choice was already made before she even met with him unguarded. It's in no way rape. |
TsundeReaper said: SithSteel said: Perhaps. This show could be a lot better if it just slowed down a little and explained things. Marinne had a choice and that choice was already made before she even met with him unguarded. It's in no way rape. Well, that's what I said. |
| wahahaha I guess a lot of people gonna drop it and will never reach the true ending XD my armor is thicc! |
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AsT5 said: sba said: That ending...:/ i guess they search a way to kill marrine and now they find it. She can happily die wow author sure love this stuff Than somebody need to kill both :) alexsis give up his position for her but marrien give up her virginity :/ how twisted this plot :/ |
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| So did they f*ck!? no, not Mirza x Marrine that's obviously already a given...i'm talking about Siluca x Theo after they kiss...lolz That sex scene part i'm remembering some H-manga with a tag emotionless sex! w0w so many comments for this specific episode! haha! 5/5. |
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SithSteel said: Perhaps. This show could be a lot better if it just slowed down a little and explained things. Yeah true, it is going quite quickly |
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