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Mar 4, 2018 6:16 AM

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Pknoctis said:
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It was obvious.I suspected Gilbert already during half time of this show. and the lack of other suspects made it even more obvious.
Lol I actually suspected the guy the moment he first appeared.

The color schemes in this show make it too obvious. Keith wears a black suit with a white dress shirt under it = may look guilty on the surface but is innocent/good on the inside. Gilbert wears a white lab coat on the outside but black on the inside = looks innocent on the surface but is guilty/evil on the inside.


Didn't catch that,thought Gilbert was wearing brown under his coat.

But however,yeah,one can see it that way.

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Mar 4, 2018 6:55 AM

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Pknoctis said:

Gilbert wears a white lab coat on the outside but black on the inside = looks innocent on the surface but is guilty/evil on the inside.


lol thats how lab coat are, i dont think they could be black
also when u start the anime u understand that keith is kinda a borderline good guy since that death, instead the doctor is comforting him. so even if they wanted those color schemes they are inverted at the start
so there is no way someone could understand from that
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anemonespotte said:
Pknoctis said:

Gilbert wears a white lab coat on the outside but black on the inside = looks innocent on the surface but is guilty/evil on the inside.


lol thats how lab coat are, i dont think they could be black
also when u start the anime u understand that keith is kinda a borderline good guy since that death while the doctor is comforting him, so even if they wanted those color schemes they are inverted at the start
so there is no way someone could understand from that

Well apparently some did, so...
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Daniel_Naumov said:
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lol thats how lab coat are, i dont think they could be black
also when u start the anime u understand that keith is kinda a borderline good guy since that death while the doctor is comforting him, so even if they wanted those color schemes they are inverted at the start
so there is no way someone could understand from that

Well apparently some did, so...


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Mar 4, 2018 10:16 AM

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Everything in this show was kind of obvious. From the number 13 and the number 4 to the "true" self of each character. Here and there were some flaws, nonetheless I really enjoyed it. With the current season going on I was really looking for something like this.
Probably worth 7/10, gave it 8/10 because I just happened to really enjoy it.

Epilogue hints to a season 2. It's produced by Netflix, right? Probably will happen in a year, maybe 2 then. Unless Amazon takes over everything.
Mar 4, 2018 10:20 AM

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Think I noticed a glaring inconsistency - it was revealed that B/Koku was going after Reggies only, not humans. We note that Reggies are vulnerable to blue steel and on death they pretty much disintegrate into dust, as was the case with all the members of Market Maker that he killed. However, the kidnappers in ep1 were noted to be Reggies, but they still left bodies behind despite being killed by Koku's blue steel blade.
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Mar 4, 2018 10:25 AM
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Think I noticed a glaring inconsistency - it was revealed that B/Koku was going after Reggies only, not humans. We note that Reggies are vulnerable to blue steel and on death they pretty much disintegrate into dust, as was the case with all the members of Market Maker that he killed. However, the kidnappers in ep1 were noted to be Reggies, but they still left bodies behind despite being killed by Koku's blue steel blade.

Does sound inconsistent, except did we see them killed with blue steel? He could have used any other melee weapon. As I remember it he simply dived on the Reggie and then the scene ended.
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Mar 4, 2018 10:30 AM

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Just finished it. I thought it was pretty great - 7.5 I'd say.

Netflix Originals rarely disappoint me.

Gave me Death Note, Perfect Insider, even Kiznaiver vibes
Mar 4, 2018 10:31 AM

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Daniel_Naumov said:
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Think I noticed a glaring inconsistency - it was revealed that B/Koku was going after Reggies only, not humans. We note that Reggies are vulnerable to blue steel and on death they pretty much disintegrate into dust, as was the case with all the members of Market Maker that he killed. However, the kidnappers in ep1 were noted to be Reggies, but they still left bodies behind despite being killed by Koku's blue steel blade.

Does sound inconsistent, except did we see them killed with blue steel? He could have used any other melee weapon. As I remember it he simply dived on the Reggie and then the scene ended.


Except that he never uses any other weapon in the series, except in his final fight against Minatsuki. (pickup sword/Izanami's blade). It's highly unlikely he changed his methods just for them.
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Mar 4, 2018 10:35 AM
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It's just me or B:Beginning is just a cheap copy of some major elements of Ergo Proxy, as I finished the series I couldn't shake the feeling of repetition just this time wasn't good enough, even some people of the staff worked on Ergo Proxy.
Mar 4, 2018 10:39 AM
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Also the final encounter is shaped for the story alone - Keith could have shot him in the hand, many places but not in the head or chest. I do forgive them for this attempt at reality, but still.
If I keep thinking about it, Gilbert seems more of a main character, as in main point of resolution of everything, the original and final impulse were given by him. The ending song is something that is quite precisely allocated to Gilbert's inner thought process.
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It's just me or B:Beginning is just a cheap copy of some major elements of Ergo Proxy, as I finished the series I couldn't shake the feeling of repetition just this time wasn't good enough, even some people of the staff worked on Ergo Proxy.


It does have a few themes in common with Ergo Proxy (i.e. manmade/resurrected gods), but that's where the similarities end.

The main issue with the show is that the story is rushed - the whole plot is as large as Ergo Proxy's, but they only had 1 cour to tell it, instead of 2. I'd say they needed 2 at a minimum to better develop the characters/backstory.
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Mar 4, 2018 11:05 AM

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Man I really do enjoy being able to fully watch an anime in one go instead of waiting weekly.

I really enjoyed this to the point of my staying up way too late. Sure it would have been better if it were 2 season's to have the room to flesh out every character but you know what no anime is perfect.
Also this may be the best ending Song to date.

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The series was a solid 8. I dont really think it needs a sequal. The ending was good enough for closure
Mar 4, 2018 12:19 PM

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ferrers405 said:
It's just me or B:Beginning is just a cheap copy of some major elements of Ergo Proxy


its not cheap, its just more subtle and transparent, cause it gather many topoi from other classic animation shows (someone talked about zankyou no terror, death note and kiznaiver) and i think they did quite good in their risk

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they pretty much disintegrate into dust


now that i think about it, it could be a casshern sins quote along with the antithesis of the main characters (casshern and luna divided until the end quite like kuko and yuna)
even tho they are different shows and quite different characters
Mar 4, 2018 2:15 PM

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Ehhh, I guess I liked the animation but I expected a whole lot more. Everytime Yuna got hurt I kept asking myself why I'm supposed to give a shit. I hoped for Koku to have some deeper character development other than "YUNAAAAA!!". Keith was the best character of the anime. Besides Kirisame being alive the story was pretty predictable. It felt like a whole mess though. All the characters but Keith felt flat and uninteresting. I wanted to make my final score a 6/10 but because the animation was very satisfying I ended up with a 7/10.
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Ehhh, I guess I liked the animation but I expected a whole lot more. Everytime Yuna got hurt I kept asking myself why I'm supposed to give a shit. I hoped for Koku to have some deeper character development other than "YUNAAAAA!!". Keith was the best character of the anime. Besides Kirisame being alive the story was pretty predictable. It felt like a whole mess though. All the characters but Keith felt flat and uninteresting. I wanted to make my final score a 6/10 but because the animation was very satisfying I ended up with a 7/10.

Are you questioning the behaviour of two demigods eternally driven to each other? Well done, that's complete inability to understand the concept behind them.
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Daniel_Naumov said:
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Ehhh, I guess I liked the animation but I expected a whole lot more. Everytime Yuna got hurt I kept asking myself why I'm supposed to give a shit. I hoped for Koku to have some deeper character development other than "YUNAAAAA!!". Keith was the best character of the anime. Besides Kirisame being alive the story was pretty predictable. It felt like a whole mess though. All the characters but Keith felt flat and uninteresting. I wanted to make my final score a 6/10 but because the animation was very satisfying I ended up with a 7/10.

Are you questioning the behaviour of two demigods eternally driven to each other? Well done, that's complete inability to understand the concept behind them.


Thanks for the compliment but no, I'm perfectly capable of understanding the concept and I'm standing by my statement that it's poorly executed. If that's supposed to be an excuse to them not going through any character development at all then I feel like you're the one who's missing something here. They're poorly written and that's it.
Mar 4, 2018 10:32 PM

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Nooo Kirisame. I thought his kid character design was too pretty to be a thrown away so quick O.o
Mar 5, 2018 12:41 AM
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Guys, I can’t remember names that well, who’s Kirisame again?
The boy that was a supposed Reggie and protected Koku from the attackers by hiding him in a tree. He supposedly died but nope, he turned into a vengeful psychotic ikeman. :/ rip plot-Line.
Mar 5, 2018 4:03 AM

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By the end of it I actually wanted him to win


u should go back to wrestling if u want to see someone "win"
this is animation not sword art online
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By the end of it I actually wanted him to win


u should go back to wrestling if u want to see someone "win"
this is animation not sword art online


As in I was rooting for him as a character, because the main cast was poorly developed I just didn't connect to any one.

Haha funny that you mention SAO cause the MC of this fits the Kirito archetype too. Overpowered, silent type, black themed....love interest that was strong but suddenly turns weak when by his side.
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u should go back to wrestling if u want to see someone "win"
this is animation not sword art online


As in I was rooting for him as a character, because the main cast was poorly developed I just didn't connect to any one.

Haha funny that you mention SAO cause the MC of this fits the Kirito archetype too. Overpowered, silent type, black themed....love interest that was strong but suddenly turns weak when by his side.

Ayyyyy some much nonsense.
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I found Gilbert more interesting anime antagonist than for most of the anime I've watched. Also, it's quite rare for Netflix to end on a happy note. I was expecting it to end like Devilman, but it surpassed my expectations.
Mar 5, 2018 6:48 AM
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Why does the old man at the end of the episode resembles Gilbert?
Mar 5, 2018 7:11 AM
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Why does the old man at the end of the episode resembles Gilbert?

Old man that talks to Kirisame? He was not shown even slightly, all you can hear is his voice. No more old men I can remember from it.
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Mar 5, 2018 9:47 AM

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Pretty damn good, gave off a different vibe then your more traditional seasonal anime. Also the ending wasn't a complete disaster like Devilman. 9/10
Mar 5, 2018 10:07 AM
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This anime was just the perfect breath of fresh air we needed from the typical shounen/loli/fanservice seasonal animes. Gave me that Psycho Pass/Terror in Resonance vibe. Gilbert looks like an adult Johan

8/10
Mar 5, 2018 11:27 AM

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Also the ending wasn't a complete disaster like Devilman. 9/10


that ending was the only one possible and probably the better, unless u have in mind a totally different awesome script (in case contact go nagai and yuasa for the job)

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Also, it's quite rare for Netflix to end on a happy note.


ye i think since they wanted a sequel, they decided to tease about the "B" world and hype it a bit in the last seconds (but before that it wasnt super happy in the certain way we know)
Mar 5, 2018 1:42 PM

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Great wrap up to the show! Its on a whole another level. And it really has been a long time to see an antagonist at the level of Makshima Shougo ie. Gilbert Ross.

Also loved how this show incorporated various myths as a whole.

One of the best originals I'd say. 11/10
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Mar 5, 2018 3:15 PM
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Awesome characterization of Keith... I really enjoyed Keith & lily, season 2 is needed to understand koku and all this reggie stuff
Mar 5, 2018 4:24 PM

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Pknoctis said:
I finished this show in a single setting, which due to my short attention span, is in and of itself an impressive feat for any show. The music was great, and the animation was freaking beautiful. I also enjoyed the way they show the characters' thoughts, with text popping up around them even as other characters talk. It can be a little confusing to track but it was a nice visual aspect.

Unfortunately any emotional impact this story could've had was ruined by the complete lack of backstory. We got a few flashbacks but those weren't nearly enough for me to sympathize with any of the main characters. Kokuu's character design was very cool but I literally cared nothing about the kid--and he did what Kaji Yuki's characters tend to, alternate between ice prince and screaming/raging angsty kid.

The "worst semi-important character" role has to go to Yuna, whose character pissed me off. She was strong enough to fight against Kokuu in the beginning but after she gets her memories back she's as useless as a rag doll. She lets herself get strangled by that fake Minatsuki reggie, and then she's just hanging by her wrists for a few hours before she gets stabbed, the whole time insisting that Kokuu's going to save her. Bitch, save yourself. Literally the only reason she exists is so that Kokuu has something to scream about.

@Some people talking about Izanami's gender: 99.9% positive it's a dude. There was a scene where he's running after Kokuu, and I saw man cleavage.

OVERALL: An extremely generous 7/10. 6/10 doesn't feel right but no way this is an 8/10.
I'll still watch the sequel though so good job Netflix.

Also: Of course she's alive. I'm not complaining about a happy ending though. But Kokuu's hair went back to black again? What is this, Tokyo Ghoul?


I agree with everything you said.
Mar 5, 2018 4:32 PM

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The Japanese Voice actor for Gilbert made it easy that he was the villain(also his design). The dude voiced Kira, Bondrewd from Made in Abyss and Griffith.

About the story itself, i want to see more of this "kingdom" and the islands (the world setting) and ofcourse Kirisame and the person he was talking too and the Market Makers.

It is indeed The Beginning lol.

9/10

Season 2 let's go.
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Mar 5, 2018 4:39 PM

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My thougths:


All the plot about the "gods" is boring and generic... I only trully liked the "investigation of the assassin" part of this anime.

And we will get a 2nd season, huh? i doubt i will watch it.

6/10

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It felt like I was watching two animes in one. I was expecting a mess, but I enjoyed it plenty. Could've been far better tho.


Totally agree... and only one was enjoyable.



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Daniel_Naumov said:
kamudosanno said:
Why does the old man at the end of the episode resembles Gilbert?

Old man that talks to Kirisame? He was not shown even slightly, all you can hear is his voice. No more old men I can remember from it.
yes,but the way the hair falling and the wrinkles make me feel a bit of Gilbert
Mar 5, 2018 7:09 PM

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Uh... I feel like the show started great, the first few episodes were awesome then it started going downhill from there.
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The Japanese Voice actor for Gilbert made it easy that he was the villain(also his design). The dude voiced Kira, Bondrewd from Made in Abyss and Griffith.

About the story itself, i want to see more of this "kingdom" and the islands (the world setting) and ofcourse Kirisame and the person he was talking too and the Market Makers.

It is indeed The Beginning lol.

9/10

Season 2 let's go.

It is the same world as we have, but they added that one mysterious island-nation, that's it. They mention some mainstream countries at least one time, I believe.
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I must say that I enjoyed this anime. I like how Netflix is pushing anime to become more popular. The art style was sharp, the animation was fluid, the direction was amazing (just look the Koku vs Izanami fight scene on the lake), the music, OST, photography... This was an entertaining show to watch that left me wanting to watch one more episode after another.

That being said, I still believe this show was two anime put together. A cop drama/mystery (seinen) and a teenager supernatural (shounen). If you are picky, the reggies could have been replaced with addicts of some special drug and bamm: the "gods" plot could have been replaced out of the anime.

Some things where predictable, some others could have been executed better, but overall the show delivers. Fun to watch. All the characters are lovely and unique. Good to see non-teen characters that are GOOD. And I don't mean "good" in "good or evil" but in engaging, a character you care about, a character you don't forget while it's not on screen.

Now, the S2 hinting... The detective/police plot seems to have ended, and the hinting itself is about the "god" plot so, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I think it was the weakest part of the show (only put there to appeal to a wider audience). The suspense of what was gonna happen, who was gonna pull the trigger first, who may be behind the corner, those scenes were more thrilling than the, although visually awesome, fight scenes of Kuku vs others.


I'll give B: The Beginning a 7.5/10
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It was certainly a messy show in terms of story. I feel it would have been much better if it had more episodes. They tried to put two plot lines at the same time and I think characters felt underdeveloped because of it, besides Keith. But after all that I really enjoyed it, I was hooked from episode 1. Animation was great, characters looked good, music was great, I was never bored watching it. With that ending I think it is certain that we will get season 2 eventually. And that ED song is superb.
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It was great, very nice mystery, note that NETFLIX is bringing anime towards all the audience, so making the anime too complicated to comprehend, is not a good idea nonetheless the mystery was great, and the blackeyed king waw, the story was really good
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so how did yuna and koku survive despite the supposed ability of the jetblack taking away their regenerative abilities? was that fake or do they just have plot armour
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so how did yuna and koku survive despite the supposed ability of the jetblack taking away their regenerative abilities? was that fake or do they just have plot armour


once they are out of the jetblack zone their regenerative abilities goes back to normal
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so how did yuna and koku survive despite the supposed ability of the jetblack taking away their regenerative abilities? was that fake or do they just have plot armour


once they are out of the jetblack zone their regenerative abilities goes back to normal

yeah but luna was gutted while stuck to the jetblack, so she should've died before he brought her out. also, the whole fight took within proximity of the inscription, otherwise minatsuki was a fucking dumbass to fight koku outside of it
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once they are out of the jetblack zone their regenerative abilities goes back to normal

yeah but luna was gutted while stuck to the jetblack, so she should've died before he brought her out. also, the whole fight took within proximity of the inscription, otherwise minatsuki was a fucking dumbass to fight koku outside of it

Well surprise regeneration can return you back to life, basically merely resuscitating your internal biological processes. This is true even for mortal biology, and she only had a piercing wound. It closes up, the heart restarts. Quick Regeneration. And we are talking demigods here.
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yeah but luna was gutted while stuck to the jetblack, so she should've died before he brought her out. also, the whole fight took within proximity of the inscription, otherwise minatsuki was a fucking dumbass to fight koku outside of it

Well surprise regeneration can return you back to life, basically merely resuscitating your internal biological processes. This is true even for mortal biology, and she only had a piercing wound. It closes up, the heart restarts. Quick Regeneration. And we are talking demigods here.

that doesn't make any sense, otherwise the writers wouldn't have written the story of the invincible king who died near the inscription in the first place. basically, you're saying that it was never a problem to begin with. I'm suggesting that Luna had to have already died by the time the fight was over, because without her regenerative abilities, no one would survive that long with a knife wound like that
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isekai said:


once they are out of the jetblack zone their regenerative abilities goes back to normal

yeah but luna was gutted while stuck to the jetblack, so she should've died before he brought her out. also, the whole fight took within proximity of the inscription, otherwise minatsuki was a fucking dumbass to fight koku outside of it


well Yuna was choked to death by that reggie long haired Minatsuki but after a few moments she come back alive so they might be still some time to revive her life just like doing CPR? i dont know im rationalizing what the anime have shown us
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Daniel_Naumov said:

Well surprise regeneration can return you back to life, basically merely resuscitating your internal biological processes. This is true even for mortal biology, and she only had a piercing wound. It closes up, the heart restarts. Quick Regeneration. And we are talking demigods here.

that doesn't make any sense, otherwise the writers wouldn't have written the story of the invincible king who died near the inscription in the first place. basically, you're saying that it was never a problem to begin with. I'm suggesting that Luna had to have already died by the time the fight was over, because without her regenerative abilities, no one would survive that long with a knife wound like that

You probably don't understand it yet, but their corpses are right there, in the Jetblack. Those two skeletons (that can't regenerate back without magic or nanomichines anymore) are in Jetblack because they did not regenerate themselves because in their previous incarnation they remained in the Blackjet. Since this time (according to the legend) King had both Maidens, he subverted the Scripture and managed to escape far enough with Yuna to regenerate OUTSIDE THE JETBLACK.
Since I do not want to be explaining basic story a third time:
They remain in Jetblack - they die
They leave Jetblack - they regenerate
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Daniel_Naumov said:
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that doesn't make any sense, otherwise the writers wouldn't have written the story of the invincible king who died near the inscription in the first place. basically, you're saying that it was never a problem to begin with. I'm suggesting that Luna had to have already died by the time the fight was over, because without her regenerative abilities, no one would survive that long with a knife wound like that

You probably don't understand it yet, but their corpses are right there, in the Jetblack. Those two skeletons (that can't regenerate back without magic or nanomichines anymore) are in Jetblack because they did not regenerate themselves because in their previous incarnation they remained in the Blackjet. Since this time (according to the legend) King had both Maidens, he subverted the Scripture and managed to escape far enough with Yuna to regenerate OUTSIDE THE JETBLACK.
Since I do not want to be explaining basic story a third time:
They remain in Jetblack - they die
They leave Jetblack - they regenerate

That's a long paragraph you wrote to explain plot armour. And before you say it's not, as much as you wrote, you didn't explain how Koku was able to survive being filled with lead within the vicinity of the Jetblack. If your explanation is that you have to be literally touching the Jetblack for his regenerative abilities to be taken away, then that's just bad writing. Sorry bro
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See, no point. I tried, as a responsible viewer and forum participant, yet you failed to exert basic human dignity. Alas.
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So, many others have said this so it might be pointless to say it myself, but I think the show was two different shows mixed together. A thriller crime drama and the supernatural action show. If the show was entirely about either one it might have been more solid as a whole, but I'm not sure if at all better. It doesn't feel like anything in either the Keith-Gilbert storyline and the Koku-Minatsuki storyline were original at all, as you could more or less guess what would happen. I don't want to say "filled with clichés or tropes", but both plots followed story beats that are relatively often used in either of their respective genres (both anime and western TV).

That being said, it was enjoyable. The thriller parts were quite thrilling (Bran finding the stuff on his laptop and trying to leave the building, trying to bait Gilbert with Lily) and the action parts, while OTT in the first episode, were also quite cool with some nice sakuga. I hope Netflix continues with these kinds of projects with Japanese animation studios, since if they keep trying they might just strike the jackpot one day with good writing, direction, and production values.
7/10, I'd say. I enjoyed it, and it did some stuff well, but not well or original enough to warrant an 8.
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