Yales said:Zoa6 said:
Huh? I did not compare it to Death Note, I compared it to Akagi.
What the hell are you talking about? Comparing different shows/movies/anime/games/books/etc. that fall under the same genre is normal, in case you didn't realize.
- Both Akagi and this anime are about gambling.
- Both have a main character who likes high stakes.
- The main protagonists of both anime are supposedly "insane".
- Both involves a series of gambles in which the main character forms some sort of strategy (though in the case of Kakegurui you can hardly call it that) to win.
So why would I NOT hold Kakegurui to the same standards? It's not like I'm trying to compare Kakegurui to Nisekoi or something. I think Akagi is superior in basically every aspect except
maybe art style (I personally like the art style in Akagi, but I know a lot of people don't). And I also like how Akagi doesn't like to gamble unless literally everything is put on the line. It makes him seem actually insane, as opposed to him simply contorting his face while talking loudly.
And if Akagi has a rating of 8, Kakegurui shouldn't be anywhere close to that imo. Akagi was a lot more interesting with more enthralling gambling.
Edit: I just noticed you didn't even watch Akagi. So really, what ARE you talking about?
The quote about death note wasnt for you especially, But it kinda gives an answer to
"Both involves a series of gambles in which the main character forms some sort of strategy (though in the case of Kakegurui you can hardly call it that) to win." it was just to say that kakegurui isn't an anime where you resolve some kind of puzzle and the execution is mind-blowing. It has a part of it, but it's not the focus. It's not aiming for something like this. (thing that you didn't get, maybe because you were comparing both shows too much? hehe)
All shows are different, it may have common points but it shouldn't be put in the same standard, no. (or it means you're not really open-minded, as you're not open to something new within the structure of something already used... which is fine too btw).
And disliking something because you preferred something else that was similar is pretty lame tbh.
I found quite weird you used the term "art" in your response (I got you were referring to the design though) but yes, anime and manga are art by its definition, so each anime/manga is unique (and should be treated as such) even if it's inspired by other. Up to you to like it or not, this is not the point, but once more, stating that a part of the reason you disliked kakegurui is because you preferred another show that had a similar outline is really lame and has nothing to deal with me watching the other show or not. It's the consumer state of mind, unable to judge something on its own that made me tilt.
No need to feel offended. My words might sound harsh, but I'm not trying to take you down or anything. It's just that your point felt surreal as it's, to me, really important to know how to judge something for what it is on its own. And not including some other factors that aren't directly related each other... I mean it's not even the same author lol... (and even if it were, it'd be debatable).
To image it differently, I perceived what you said a bit like if you would ask a professional top chess player to naturally be a professional top shogi player as well (because, after all, rules are some sort of similar and it kinda looks the same... although if you go a bit more deeply, you'll realize it's really different).
And on response to,
"And if Akagi has a rating of 8, Kakegurui shouldn't be anywhere close to that imo. Akagi was a lot more interesting with more enthralling gambling." I'd like to add one last thing, (that is pretty obvious too but you don't seem to get it neither): Your taste isn't general. And for that matter, it's something that came up in Kakegurui too... I quote and I'll leave it here: "Judging everything by your own standards isn't good. Not all people are from the same cloth, after all. [...] There's no such thing as a person that completely aligns with your belief. That's what makes it so grand, no?"
EDIT: After this conversation I've actually started to watch Akagi (it's been a while I planned to watch it so it was the time). It's really good yep, but it's
different in a lot of ways from Kakegurui, I 100% maintain what I said.
EDIT2: I actually disliked Akagi, rip
I've mostly seen the Kaiji comparison, because two shows that both include gambling are somehow always supposed to aim for the same feeling and character/gambling dynamics, it's really weird seeing them compared 90% of the time.