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| Totally am not crying like a child. Totally didn't cry through the ENTIRE episode like a small child. This "answered prayer" sort of finale for Altair and Setsuna was actually WAY better than I thought it would be? And honestly, as a creator... I think this is why it got so emotional for me. Our creations to us are like our children, so sometimes we unintentionally shove all the hurt that we feel onto them, "cursing" them, as Setsuna felt she had done to Altair. But to be told by your creation that it wasn't a curse, that it was a meaning, a drive, that it wasn't your creator's fault... To be told by your creation that they just wanted to protect you even though they hadn't been able to, destroy those who effectively destroyed you... That is something that just hits so close to home. And to everyone who says that they think people who call this a "masterpiece" are laughable... I personally ADORE this show incredibly, because this is a story by a creator for creators, so I feel as though a lot of people are missing the most important part, because as creators, we feel these things when we create. And that said, this story is FAR from perfect. There are many things that could have been done better, especially the ending, but that being said, the ending did what it was meant to--it neatly wrapped something up that has been here since the beginning. It could have ended with Altair being beaten to death and disappearing, but no. She got redemption. Only thing she missed was her "just deserts" for doing the awful things she did (again, far from perfect ending, and honestly what makes it so that this anime won't top Gintama or Natsume's Book of Friends for me, 'cuz Altair didn't get those "just deserts"). Though that said, it can also be inferred that since the Creations are still just Creations and will continue living on in their world, that no real harm was actually caused at the end of the day (except for the emotional harm that the viewers suffered 8V ).. And that still said, I still wanted to see something come as a consequence to what she did. (see above post, who makes a very good point in the final point) But hopefully they'll wrap that up in the last episode? ^^ your entire argument is just A+++ and I agree 100% Y'all are allowed to dislike the anime, guys, but don't call it "trash" as if it's a fact 8'D It all comes down to preferences and a deeper understanding that some may not or simply cannot understand. |
AlyxsandreSep 9, 2017 6:40 PM
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| This Episode pretty much ruined the anime for me, so Selestia, Mamika and Alicteria died for no reason???? initial idea was good but now it makes no sense |
Coldbid said: TheKillerAngel said: My understanding is that she created a world with just her and Setsuna. She has no more reason to fight. Altair and Setsuna are ganna get real tired of each other in a few hundred years. Seeing how they can create infinite worlds with infinite settings, I don't see how they would get bored. They could recreate a "new" world based on the existing one --- a new parallel universe. |
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stone616 said: This episode was a black hole that erased the entire reason of being for this show. The antagonist literally just took her ball and left right in the middle of the final battle. It all just seems so meaningless now. I never quite expected this level of an anticlimactic ending. FACTS, I feel like i wasted my time watching this anime Hopefully Shoukoku No Altair doesn't suffer this kind of poor ending Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
NexuNov 20, 2017 3:53 PM
| Man, you gotta give props to Aki Toyosaki(Altair's VA) she nailed it, well she has pretty much nailed it in the entire series, but this episode took it. I also REALLY REALLY like the fact that they made Altair actually accept Setsuna words, I imagined that Altair was going to erase her or get very angry at it for being a fake, but it didn't take long before she started to respected her and actually talked with her, even despite being a fake one, that's how loyal to her creator she is. And you can pretty much say the same for Setsuna, I thought Setsuna would've get a little bit angry or even try to say that what Altair is doing is wrong, but that never happened, she just gave Altair a new way to look at the world. If this is the last we see of Altair, then I more than glad it ended and did exactly what most people wanted, nobody wanted to see Altair being defeated, no one wanted to see another creation, created by Souta defeating her, we just wanted to see Altair together with Setsuna and make her understand that the world ain't that bad, it seriously ended how most people WHO LIKED Altair, wanted. Seriously, I haven't seen an anime being this unique before. Yeah, this episode convinced me that Re:creators isn't as bad as I thought it was, also based on analyzing the episode 20, it's actually pretty legit and smart, the subtle message that Altair can give to us viewers. |
| 5/5- Excellent episode. The meeting of Setsuna and Altair pulled at my heart strings the entire episode. I'm fine with how Altair was "defeated". I feel that if there is an overpowered character, then that person needs to be beaten in an unconventional way. I always enjoy these kinds of finale where the bad guy isn't beaten but rather moved on to other things that are more important. And what's important to Altair is creating stories with Setsuna for eternity. It makes sense because no one in Re:Creators universe would stand a chance against her. So I'm really glad they went this route rather than have a character get an ass pull power up to win. Final episode next week. It's going to be intriguing what everyone will do after this. I REALLY hope Selesia Upitiria gets what she wanted in her stories. |
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uncle_reality said: This Episode pretty much ruined the anime for me, so Selestia, Mamika and Alicteria died for no reason???? initial idea was good but now it makes no sense Well most likely they just gonna get "revived" If blitz's daughter can be brought back, seriously it wouldn't really be asspull for them to get back again seeing how they were popular to begin with and thus definitely meet the condition to materialise. |
firemagnet said: Yeah, you have to dig philosophically to get value out of this anime. Other than Altair and the other creations simply being fun to watch, it's what's kept the anime going for me. Yup, and that's exactly what I like, at first I started watching this series because I thought Altair looked cool and had a smooth personality and well, honestly that was the only reason, I never got to like the other characters, maybe Blitz a little bit,but that was it.I for one,never understood why people liked Magane so much. The recap and filler episode made me mad to the point I ended up dropping this, but I could not believe this series was that bad, then I decided to give it a 2nd chance, it surely paid off, I don't really comment on discussions if I don't enjoy a series this much. I don't really think Re:Creators is that amazing, but they did really nailed in the philosophical part. My "analyze" on this: Altair was the character that made the most impact in everyone in the beginning of the series, because of that people started drawing her in pixiv, there are tons of her pictures there, but when you search for the others, not that much Very unique idea to use a real life media source for it.+1 Then she explains how the audience backs her up and that's actually true, I doubt anyone here wanted to see Altair being beaten by a co-op with all the creations, we wanted her to win or somehow not lose so much to the point she got hax powers because of that.+1 Then the same happens with the Sirius incident, nobody wanted Altair to be beaten that fast by a character that just suddenly appeared, that's bullshit and the writers knew that.+1 And now this episode where we didn't really wanted to see Altair refusing Setsuna or Setsuna trying to convince Altair how bad destroying the world is, notice how Setsuna never tells Altair stuff like "Stop being so childish" or "Stop trying to destroy the whole world because of me". Altair understood Setsuna and Setsuna made Altair look at the world in a different way and because of that Altair no longer cares about destroying it, plus she gets to be with Setsuna again, which I think a lot of people wanted that, instead of Setsuna killing herself again. We actually see that happening in that exact episode, when Altair jumps to save Setsuna, that's pretty much the will of the entire audience of Re:Creators. Now Altair is united with Setsuna in a safe way, she was neither defeated nor destroyed, she just gave up on the idea of destroying the world, which I think a lot of people wanted something similar, I don't really think people wanted her dead.+1 It's rather unfortunate how the other characters just never had any role other than being a step for Altair to reach Setsuna. |
| Great way to fuck up a fun anime. If you can't beat the unbeatable, just fanfic your way out of it. Kill some characters just to hype the audience, then betray their expectations right after that. I mean, how can you beat Altair, right? There was no point in fighting since Magane actually brought Setsuna back right at the start. Since Setsuna can talk Altair to stop that, Souta should just have gone back and asked Meteora to summon her and stop everything from happening. Nice boner killer. Can't believe they pulled the dumbest thing in the book, and even worse that is something that we could see coming miles away. Though it looks like they did get away with it, most people here seem to be liking it. Guess you can't beat all the emotional appeal. |
| This episode was really emotional. I cried for 1/3 of it. Very touching. One of the best episodes so far in my view. Little action, a lot of conversations but still very moving and interesting. I was satisfied. After turning Selesia's sword into petals and creating Rui's robot double in episode 10, I was quite convinced that the best way to resolve everything is to somehow convince Altair to settle down (and miraculously reviving Setsuna would be the best way to accomplish this). It was quite obvious she was gaining new abilities with each passing week and they won't be able to beat her. Fortunately, it seems that's exactly what is happening and we are going to have a happy ending! :-) A bunch of people have unfortunately died for their plan to succeed but their deaths were not in vain. Probably later, authors will be able to bring them back to life in their respective stories. Altair and Setsuna can live inside a different universe, created by Himegimi for now, but Shimazaki won't be backing down on creating new stories. It is still open to questions if the new Yuna is the same as the one who had died in episode 1. In my opinion, she is the same person. Chikujouin is almost certainly still alive and well in our world, she may not want to go back to her story (which is very troubling as she's extremely dangerous). What may also happen is that with Altair's departure from this world to another, creations summoned by her will immediately return to their stories (probably retaining all memories). It might also happen after some time, like a day or two. The only thing that is sorely sorrowful is Souta's inability to talk to Setsuna but if the Holopsicon is so mind-boggling then it may be even feasible to someway make contact possible. And last, I wonder how many ordinary citizens were harmed during Re:Creators. Those who died (bookstore owner was one of them) won't be coming back. |
-ZET- said: firemagnet said: Yeah, you have to dig philosophically to get value out of this anime. Other than Altair and the other creations simply being fun to watch, it's what's kept the anime going for me. Yup, and that's exactly what I like, at first I started watching this series because I thought Altair looked cool and had a smooth personality and well, honestly that was the only reason, I never got to like the other characters, maybe Blitz a little bit,but that was it.I for one,never understood why people liked Magane so much. The recap and filler episode made me mad to the point I ended up dropping this, but I could not believe this series was that bad, then I decided to give it a 2nd chance, it surely paid off, I don't really comment on discussions if I don't enjoy a series this much. I don't really think Re:Creators is that amazing, but they did really nailed in the philosophical part. My "analyze" on this: Altair was the character that made the most impact in everyone in the beginning of the series, because of that people started drawing her in pixiv, there are tons of her pictures there, but when you search for the others, not that much Very unique idea to use a real life media source for it.+1 Then she explains how the audience backs her up and that's actually true, I doubt anyone here wanted to see Altair being beaten by a co-op with all the creations, we wanted her to win or somehow not lose so much to the point she got hax powers because of that.+1 Then the same happens with the Sirius incident, nobody wanted Altair to be beaten that fast by a character that just suddenly appeared, that's bullshit and the writers knew that.+1 And now this episode where we didn't really wanted to see Altair refusing Setsuna or Setsuna trying to convince Altair how bad destroying the world is, notice how Setsuna never tells Altair stuff like "Stop being so childish" or "Stop trying to destroy the whole world because of me". Altair understood Setsuna and Setsuna made Altair look at the world in a different way and because of that Altair no longer cares about destroying it, plus she gets to be with Setsuna again, which I think a lot of people wanted that, instead of Setsuna killing herself again. We actually see that happening in that exact episode, when Altair jumps to save Setsuna, that's pretty much the will of the entire audience of Re:Creators. Now Altair is united with Setsuna in a safe way, she was neither defeated nor destroyed, she just gave up on the idea of destroying the world, which I think a lot of people wanted something similar, I don't really think people wanted her dead.+1 It's rather unfortunate how the other characters just never had any role other than being a step for Altair to reach Setsuna. Sorry to be a pest but the other characters are more popular so tons of persons will draw them, the popularity concept fails here. We are forgetting that they took several time figuring who was Altair. So she was't that popular. As told by the staff of the series in recent comments Magane's power gave Altair acceptance at the end same for Setsuna. A lie that became a truth. In other words, Altair's acceptance was negative + Magane's power = Positive and popular. |
YagamiShinji said: Since Setsuna can talk Altair to stop that, Souta should just have gone back and asked Meteora to summon her and stop everything from happening. How would Meteora be able to summon Setsuna without all these people help? The heroes needed a HUGE audience + Magane help who isn't easy to convince. Without government's help they wouldn't manage to succeed. |
| I think that the episode was fine despite that i don't like drama too much. After 21 episodes in my opinion Re: Creators is one of the best animes of 2017 despite some slow pacing of the plot in some episodes and i would love to see more of Magane. The fights are now over. I really love that the show doesn't go the typical 'defeat the main villain with asspull power', it was better that Altair and Fake Setsuna went to a new world. |
NurguburuSep 9, 2017 9:17 PM
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Pipe said: -ZET- said: Yup, and that's exactly what I like, at first I started watching this series because I thought Altair looked cool and had a smooth personality and well, honestly that was the only reason, I never got to like the other characters, maybe Blitz a little bit,but that was it.I for one,never understood why people liked Magane so much. The recap and filler episode made me mad to the point I ended up dropping this, but I could not believe this series was that bad, then I decided to give it a 2nd chance, it surely paid off, I don't really comment on discussions if I don't enjoy a series this much. I don't really think Re:Creators is that amazing, but they did really nailed in the philosophical part. My "analyze" on this: Altair was the character that made the most impact in everyone in the beginning of the series, because of that people started drawing her in pixiv, there are tons of her pictures there, but when you search for the others, not that much Very unique idea to use a real life media source for it.+1 Then she explains how the audience backs her up and that's actually true, I doubt anyone here wanted to see Altair being beaten by a co-op with all the creations, we wanted her to win or somehow not lose so much to the point she got hax powers because of that.+1 Then the same happens with the Sirius incident, nobody wanted Altair to be beaten that fast by a character that just suddenly appeared, that's bullshit and the writers knew that.+1 And now this episode where we didn't really wanted to see Altair refusing Setsuna or Setsuna trying to convince Altair how bad destroying the world is, notice how Setsuna never tells Altair stuff like "Stop being so childish" or "Stop trying to destroy the whole world because of me". Altair understood Setsuna and Setsuna made Altair look at the world in a different way and because of that Altair no longer cares about destroying it, plus she gets to be with Setsuna again, which I think a lot of people wanted that, instead of Setsuna killing herself again. We actually see that happening in that exact episode, when Altair jumps to save Setsuna, that's pretty much the will of the entire audience of Re:Creators. Now Altair is united with Setsuna in a safe way, she was neither defeated nor destroyed, she just gave up on the idea of destroying the world, which I think a lot of people wanted something similar, I don't really think people wanted her dead.+1 It's rather unfortunate how the other characters just never had any role other than being a step for Altair to reach Setsuna. Sorry to be a pest but the other characters are more popular so tons of persons will draw them, the popularity concept fails here. We are forgetting that they took several time figuring who was Altair. So she was't that popular. As told by the staff of the series in recent comments Magane's power gave Altair acceptance at the end same for Setsuna. A lie that became a truth. In other words, Altair's acceptance was negative + Magane's power = Positive and popular. In my case, I love Magane, she is crazy and adds some funny moments to the series. Also I like the main cast except Souta but I don't like Altair so much despite she is cool and too powerful because she killed Mamika. Despite that i don't like her, she had a decent ending to avoid the typical 'defeat the villain' |
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Mozek said: YagamiShinji said: Since Setsuna can talk Altair to stop that, Souta should just have gone back and asked Meteora to summon her and stop everything from happening. How would Meteora be able to summon Setsuna without all these people help? The heroes needed a HUGE audience + Magane help who isn't easy to convince. Without government's help they wouldn't manage to succeed. They literally said a couple episodes ago that they couldn't summon Souta's creation because people didn't accept it yet. They didn't know about Magane and trying to summon Setsuna was their last resort before losing. Also no one had to convince Magane, she just did it because she wanted to get away and Altair was a issue for her. She clearly enjoys the real world more than her world. Turns out it worked because Magane's magic is too strong, not because people accepted Setsuna by the time she was summoned (they did later, though, but this doesn't matter since she was already there). If you actually look no one knew Setsuna or she was hinted to the people watching, they knew about Altair 2.0 because well, it was conveniently foreshadowed in the stories we didn't get to see before the battle arena thing. |
| I'll never get how the audience of the Festival was all cheers at the end, after seeing Setsuna, a random girl that they have little to no acceptance of as a Creation, being shoehorned in all of a sudden and the antagonist getting away with her scot-free. As someone who was once staunchly defending this series, I am disappointed by this episode. It cheapens all the efforts made to reach this point. |
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BlazeDelta said: yeah lol from our perspective we know well who setsuna is, but to random viewers there she is literally 100% walking convenient plot device that came out of nowhere who conveniently solve everything (asspull) im not sure why they can accept it I'll never get how the audience of the Festival was all cheers at the end, after seeing Setsuna, a random girl that they have little to no acceptance of as a Creation, being shoehorned in all of a sudden and the antagonist getting away with her scot-free. As someone who was once staunchly defending this series, I am disappointed by this episode. It cheapens all the efforts made to reach this point. |
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BlazeDelta said: I'll never get how the audience of the Festival was all cheers at the end, after seeing Setsuna, a random girl that they have little to no acceptance of as a Creation, being shoehorned in all of a sudden and the antagonist getting away with her scot-free. As someone who was once staunchly defending this series, I am disappointed by this episode. It cheapens all the efforts made to reach this point. There are questionable plot in re:creators, but imo this isn't one. The audience didn't accept setsuna. In fact even the OP altair can't revive sestuna cuz she herself is still a slave to the audience's taste, albeit a super OP slave ;) We know that for a creation to appear, the creation must be popular/accepted. Souta admitted sestuna will never be accepted at that point at least, and magane uses ability to make the lie turn inside out. So it was magane that got sestuna "accepted" Also you are forgetting that even after getting setsuna to appear, reality finally sync up after their small chat and tries to remove her from existence. Altair manage to touch the audience and hence manage to port setsuna into a brand new story world that altair created with the boosted power coming from those "touched" audience. So yeah you can't call it a plothole since the author DIDN'T revive a dead human. Setsuna was kept in a story world because reality just keep rejecting her and tries to erase her. |
ChiyousagiSep 9, 2017 11:28 PM
Chiyousagi said: BlazeDelta said: I'll never get how the audience of the Festival was all cheers at the end, after seeing Setsuna, a random girl that they have little to no acceptance of as a Creation, being shoehorned in all of a sudden and the antagonist getting away with her scot-free. As someone who was once staunchly defending this series, I am disappointed by this episode. It cheapens all the efforts made to reach this point. There are questionable plot in re:creators, but imo this isn't one. The audience didn't accept setsuna. In fact even the OP altair can't revive sestuna cuz she herself is still a slave to the audience's taste, albeit a super OP slave ;) We know that for a creation to appear, the creation must be popular/accepted. Souta admitted sestuna will never be accepted at that point at least, and magane uses ability to make the lie turn inside out. So it was magane that got sestuna "accepted" Also you are forgetting that even after getting setsuna to appear, reality finally sync up after their small chat and tries to remove her from existence. Altair manage to touch the audience and hence manage to port setsuna into a brand new story world that altair created with the boosted power coming from those "touched" audience. So yeah you can't call it a plothole since the author DIDN'T revive a dead human. Setsuna was kept in a story world because reality just keep rejecting her and tries to erase her. You've clearly misunderstood/misread my post. Never in it did I mention Setsuna being resurrected;I said, quote on quote, "Setsuna, a random girl that they have little to no acceptance of as a Creation, being shoehorned in all of a sudden". I'm very much aware that the one in today's episode is not the real Setsuna but a Creation based on her, so don't misquote me and argue based on that. And yes, you explicitly said that there was "boosted power coming from those "touched" audience." That is precisely my point of contention: why the hell were they touched by a random subplot between Altair and Setsuna that was forced abruptly into the Festival? Hell, they can't even accept Setsuna as a Creation, so why would they even care about that to be being cheering wildly for it at the end? It's a huge contradiction. |
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| I think Altair is kinda like Obito. She started the war because the one she loves is dead (even though Altair's reason is more makes sense). I still don't like her character, but at least she proves that she actually still has a heart.. |
renzosparkSep 10, 2017 12:14 AM
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BlazeDelta said: Chiyousagi said: There are questionable plot in re:creators, but imo this isn't one. The audience didn't accept setsuna. In fact even the OP altair can't revive sestuna cuz she herself is still a slave to the audience's taste, albeit a super OP slave ;) We know that for a creation to appear, the creation must be popular/accepted. Souta admitted sestuna will never be accepted at that point at least, and magane uses ability to make the lie turn inside out. So it was magane that got sestuna "accepted" Also you are forgetting that even after getting setsuna to appear, reality finally sync up after their small chat and tries to remove her from existence. Altair manage to touch the audience and hence manage to port setsuna into a brand new story world that altair created with the boosted power coming from those "touched" audience. So yeah you can't call it a plothole since the author DIDN'T revive a dead human. Setsuna was kept in a story world because reality just keep rejecting her and tries to erase her. You've clearly misunderstood/misread my post. Never in it did I mention Setsuna being resurrected;I said, quote on quote, "Setsuna, a random girl that they have little to no acceptance of as a Creation, being shoehorned in all of a sudden". I'm very much aware that the one in today's episode is not the real Setsuna but a Creation based on her, so don't misquote me and argue based on that. And yes, you explicitly said that there was "boosted power coming from those "touched" audience." That is precisely my point of contention: why the hell were they touched by a random subplot between Altair and Setsuna that was forced abruptly into the Festival? Hell, they can't even accept Setsuna as a Creation, so why would they even care about that to be being cheering wildly for it at the end? It's a huge contradiction. First, I never said you mention setsuna being resurrected. My post isn't even on that. The purpose of mentioning setsuna being created is to point out that audience didn't accept setsuna(which is the criteria for a creation to appear) but was turned into an acceptance due to megane. In short, audience accepted setsuna due to magane. Magane ability didn't simply make setsuna appear. What it did was to turn the lie about audience not accepting setsuna(piggyback on the law and turn it around so to say). So when watching this episode, the audience are in a state of acceptance towards setsuna, which of cuz should also explain away the doubt of why should they care about a subplot that they can't accept. Reason is cuz audience accepted setsuna. Not to mention audience were touched by altair's word. So even if they reject setsuna, that is a separate issue. Altair's words were touching, and they were touched by her. Finding a character appearance out of nowhere to be bullshit doesn't necessary destroy any good plot that follows. After all, the audience found out setsuna was altair's creator who was dead before altair can even interact with her. tl:dr souta's has very weak reasoning for setsuna as a creation. However setsuna's bond/relationship with altair isn't a weak plot. So audience can reject and prevent souta from making setsuna appear, but at the same time audience will also be able to accept setsuna relationship with altair. Not mutually exclusive, similar to how audience accept altair yet altair choose not to kill ALL of them in the birdcage as she understand that action will lower their acceptance towards her at that point of story. |
Chiyousagi said: BlazeDelta said: You've clearly misunderstood/misread my post. Never in it did I mention Setsuna being resurrected;I said, quote on quote, "Setsuna, a random girl that they have little to no acceptance of as a Creation, being shoehorned in all of a sudden". I'm very much aware that the one in today's episode is not the real Setsuna but a Creation based on her, so don't misquote me and argue based on that. And yes, you explicitly said that there was "boosted power coming from those "touched" audience." That is precisely my point of contention: why the hell were they touched by a random subplot between Altair and Setsuna that was forced abruptly into the Festival? Hell, they can't even accept Setsuna as a Creation, so why would they even care about that to be being cheering wildly for it at the end? It's a huge contradiction. First, I never said you mention setsuna being resurrected. My post isn't even on that. The purpose of mentioning setsuna being created is to point out that audience didn't accept setsuna(which is the criteria for a creation to appear) but was turned into an acceptance due to megane. In short, audience accepted setsuna due to magane. Magane ability didn't simply make setsuna appear. What it did was to turn the lie about audience not accepting setsuna(piggyback on the law and turn it around so to say). So when watching this episode, the audience are in a state of acceptance towards setsuna, which of cuz should also explain away the doubt of why should they care about a subplot that they can't accept. Reason is cuz audience accepted setsuna. Not to mention audience were touched by altair's word. So even if they reject setsuna, that is a separate issue. Altair's words were touching, and they were touched by her. Finding a character appearance out of nowhere to be bullshit doesn't necessary destroy any good plot that follows. After all, the audience found out setsuna was altair's creator who was dead before altair can even interact with her. tl:dr souta's has very weak reasoning for setsuna as a creation. However setsuna's bond/relationship with altair isn't a weak plot. So audience can reject and prevent souta from making setsuna appear, but at the same time audience will also be able to accept setsuna relationship with altair. Not mutually exclusive, similar to how audience accept altair yet altair choose not to kill ALL of them in the birdcage as she understand that action will lower their acceptance towards her at that point of story. I see. But wasn't Magane's lie acting on the rule that they needed audience acceptance for a Creation, and not specifically how the audience wasn't going to accept Sota's Creation aka Setsuna? Plus, during Meteora's summoning of Setsuna, the acceptance was noted to indeed have been low. Edit: So I went to re watch the scene where Magane activates her power to help Sota. The lie in question was indeed how Sota's creation, being "shallow and superficial" would never be accepted by the audience, so I'm wrong. Thus explaining why the audience then became accepting and all so happy at the end, because Magane's lie affected them. My bad, and I apologise for that. On that note though, it would have been great if Altair at least expressed some kind of remorse or something over what she had done so far in quest for revenge. I went to re watch the episode one more time to really make sure I got my opinions straightened out, but I still feel like she got away scot free. She may have been the "king of the weak" who empowered people who were in a similarly dark place to Setsuna, but her actions did cause a lot of trouble regardless. To have her salvation handed to her so easily like that felt a little off. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
NexuNov 20, 2017 3:57 PM
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| Solid ending. This episode felt suprisingly short but emotional. I'm looking forward to the epilogue. |
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| So Altair is rewarded for killing creations and making them suffer? Alright |
Xallorev said: tbh im not really fond of this feely and touchy ending when you 'comfort' the villain in order to beat her. But at the same time, its the best ending that they could do, like there's no other way to end the stories except doing this way. it was okay I felt that Altair should have at least acknowledged the trouble she caused to the other Creations and Creators. To have her salvation, albeit a flawed one, handed to her on a silver plate rather smoothly before zooming off with Setsuna didn't go down well with me as an ending, and we didn't get to see how the other Creators and Creations felt about their efforts kind of being naught. But TROYCA has always managed to surprise, so perhaps they'll pull something off to address this next week. |
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EXACTLY THIS. The same thing I thought of when watching the whole episode Damn good |
| all the build up just for this single episode. could've compressed on just 1 season if less actions. the only good interactions in this movie is just about souta x altair x setsuna. the flashback in the past episode of souta x setsuna really did an impact. in this episode, the dialogue is pretty well done. not cliche, easily sympathize. all other conversations in the past episode was like urgh to me and didnt even registered in my head. i'd definitely watch this episode again. the execution and dialogue are just brilliant. |
Pipe said: Sorry to be a pest but the other characters are more popular so tons of persons will draw them, the popularity concept fails here. We are forgetting that they took several time figuring who was Altair. So she was't that popular. As told by the staff of the series in recent comments Magane's power gave Altair acceptance at the end same for Setsuna. A lie that became a truth. In other words, Altair's acceptance was negative + Magane's power = Positive and popular. In the popularity terms, I wasn't talking about the audience in the anime but WE of the real world, liked Altair more than the other characters, I know this because I remember going to pixiv a few days later after the first episode, and there were TONS of Altair pictures there, even though she had just appeared in the series. I don't understand the way you saw Magane's power, for me it was that she made the acceptance of Setsuna become possible, the audience never knew who Setsuna was, so in order to "summon" her, Magane used her power to "break" that law, thus making Setsuna appear even if the audience had no idea who that was.But that's it, I don't think Magane did anything else other than making it possible for Setsuna to be created, after that Altair and Setsuna becoming together again was all due to the audience liking them. |
| good bye train-kun we will miss you... bye altair you meet your creator... damn why my face is full of water ? |
| Just so conflicted with this episode. On the one hand, we finally have our long awaited confrontation between Altair and Setsuna. The dialogues between the two made this episode one of the best in terms of two characters going all out with a pretty nicely crafted heart to heart, leading up to the desired conclusion (i.e. not the end of our world as we know it). On the other hand, it doesn't really feel like we had a proper conclusion to the battle, what with all the casualties suffered by the other side. I mean, yes all the other characters were basically creations made possible by Altair's abilities to help her destroy the world. and enhanced through their respective creator's influence upon their audience and the acceptance that was converted into fuel for Meteora's "machine" thingy, but what now? Altair has moved on to a new plain of existence to be with her beloved Setsuna (which Sota created, mind you), so where does that leave the rest of the surviving creations? Do they disappear now that the crisis has been averted? Or are they stuck in our world with crazy powers? Just hope that they don't mess up with the aftermath of this conflict next week. As nice as it was to have the battle end, the last episode will seriously make or break this series for me. |
HESTIA   APPROVES |
| Ah that was good. Only 1 more episode to go, I'll miss this show. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
-ZET- said: Pipe said: Sorry to be a pest but the other characters are more popular so tons of persons will draw them, the popularity concept fails here. We are forgetting that they took several time figuring who was Altair. So she was't that popular. As told by the staff of the series in recent comments Magane's power gave Altair acceptance at the end same for Setsuna. A lie that became a truth. In other words, Altair's acceptance was negative + Magane's power = Positive and popular. In the popularity terms, I wasn't talking about the audience in the anime but WE of the real world, liked Altair more than the other characters, I know this because I remember going to pixiv a few days later after the first episode, and there were TONS of Altair pictures there, even though she had just appeared in the series. I don't understand the way you saw Magane's power, for me it was that she made the acceptance of Setsuna become possible, the audience never knew who Setsuna was, so in order to "summon" her, Magane used her power to "break" that law, thus making Setsuna appear even if the audience had no idea who that was.But that's it, I don't think Magane did anything else other than making it possible for Setsuna to be created, after that Altair and Setsuna becoming together again was all due to the audience liking them. About Magane's power It isn't my personal explanation, it is the writers and staff way. Again that explanation is from TROYCA The persons gave more acceptance to Altair so Meteora was able to Re:Create Setsuna. Magane just inverted the acceptance and helped Meteora to achieve that goal via acceptance. Magane didn't helped to call a dead person or a zombie. Setsuna is a creation based on acceptance. So that's why several persons are saying that isn't the real Setsuna, is Souta's creation (now it is up to you, is thereal Setsuna?). For me is a weird explanation that creates more narrative holes, but if troyca's team explains in that way there isn't anything more to say. Also you can't compare this world with that world because for our world, Altair is a main character for Souta's world she isn't a known character that's why the other creators didn't have any idea of who was Altair in the first episodes. |
PipeSep 10, 2017 6:13 AM
Cour_Victor said: Pipe said: About Magane's power It isn't my personal explanation, it is the writers and staff way. Again that explanation is from TROYCA The persons gave more acceptance to Altair so Meteora was able to Re:Create Setsuna. Magane just inverted the acceptance and helped Meteora to achieve that goal via acceptance. Magane didn't helped to call a dead person or a zombie. Setsuna is a creation based on acceptance. So that's why several persons are saying that isn't the real Setsuna, is Souta's creation (now it is up to you, is thereal Setsuna?). For me is a weird explanation that creates more narrative holes, but if troyca's team explains in that way there isn't anything more to say. Also you can't compare this world with that world because for our world, Altair is a main character for Souta's world she isn't a known character that's why the other creators didn't have any idea of who was Altair in the first episodes. Just to let you know, I don't know hot it works with your assumptions but Setsuna's description was left blank other than the fact that "she is a girl who created Altair" before her creation according to Hiroe's last interview. Of course the description is left blank because Souta doesn't know all about her so that character only background is "the girl who created Altair." It is the same. PS. This is creating a loop so, I won't be replying anymore posts in this forum. |
KennyK68 said: As much as I really liked this episode's emotional gut-punches and how it all wrapped up, I feel like this is all just because Altair is (as others have already said) a God-tier asspuller, and the only way to stop her would be to pacify her as they did here. More like, the only way to defeat an asspuller is with an even bigger asspull, and lampshading this sort of meta stuff would have probably gone a long way toward turning this show into the sort of masterpiece it could have been. |
| Yet these hands will never hold anything. Thus I pray, Unlimited Waifu Works!  |
| Honestly just spaced out during the entire Altair-Setsuna sequence. I don't think I gave enough shits about Altair to care, right after she (indirectly or otherwise) caused the deaths of our beloved characters and had literally no other background during the entire show. To add insult to injury Selestia and company died for no reason at all. I only snapped out of it when we got to the part about Setsuna wearing Sota's glasses. Probably because I actually did care about him and his relationship with her. Really what a cockblock, had a big ass battle royale for 4+ episodes only for Talk-Fu to finish the game. If I were the audience in that stadium I would've asked for my money back and probably torched the place if I didn't. Was watching this episode with friends and honestly felt like a cretin being one of two people who really didn't cry this ep. P.S. No matter how good they wrap up next episode, this show automatically gets minus points for not using the ultimate joke of the Creations finding hentai of themselves. RIP. |
| That train actually wrecked my heart so hard. Damn Altair, why you sent the train here? my delusional version of next episode: It will be revealed that the whole story is actually just a story the REAL Setsuna created in her depressing moment, in days before she decided to suicide. Somehow she uploaded it and hope that someone will hear her pain. Souta read it and he save her right before she jump. Happy Ending :) |
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