Frostbytes said: Still doesn't mean that this is delayed.....I think you guys are just over thinking how the PV was wordedTokoya said: Why are people assuming that this is dropping in 2018? This was announced on the 31st of December 2016 and for them to say that this will be airing "this winter" would be false because the Winter Anime season doesn't start until January, thus the term "this winter" would = Winter 2016, hence why the promo said "Next Winter" which would mean Winter 2017 I'm pretty sure they announced that this will be dropping in 2017 a while ago anyway Shaft schedule is pretty much packed, they even delayed zaregoto by one month so yeah you can expect that. |
Fai said: There's a STRONG difference between a "fake-out prologue" with random character and marketing your show by baiting a female protagonist only to fridge her for sake of male choice. VERY different implications and problematic nature. It would be REALLY hard to defend Nasu against claims of misogyny and sexism then. Yes, you are entirely right. But, if male Hakuno is in the PV via his eyes, then Shaft can claim it to be a 'fake-out prologue'. It still doesn't defend how crappy it is for them to add the eyes at the end after the credits. Until the next PV comes out and more info is released, it seems plausible that both Hakuno's are in Last Encore. Which is why people think it's being based off or influenced by Nasu's notes for Extella Zero. I don't think Last Encore will be a tie into Extella, as you've indicated, but it might have things from those notes to create a story adapting Extra into a suitable TV form. |
| So how do peope feel about the story of the fate/extra game? I'm very happy to see Miyamoto finally direct something, since Madoka had fantastic direction. I wish he was doing Zaregoto instead of yuki yase but whatever. I'm also very happy to see satoru kosaki doing the music since his work in the monogatari series is quite masterful. So I'm just curious, do they have good source material to work with? |
Tokoya said: Its airing next winter. Frostbytes said: Still doesn't mean that this is delayed.....I think you guys are just over thinking how the PV was wordedShaft schedule is pretty much packed, they even delayed zaregoto by one month so yeah you can expect that. we are in 2017 winter season next is spring 2017 then summer 2017 lastly fall 2017 next winter comes in 2018 if u think shaft is airing fate/extra this month for winter 2017 along side zaregoto and 3 gatsu no lion u are mistaken lol |
GoldNautilus said: So how do peope feel about the story of the fate/extra game? I'm very happy to see Miyamoto finally direct something, since Madoka had fantastic direction. I wish he was doing Zaregoto instead of yuki yase but whatever. I'm also very happy to see satoru kosaki doing the music since his work in the monogatari series is quite masterful. So I'm just curious, do they have good source material to work with? Extremely fitting for Shaft as long as the writer does not alter the main messages or how the story goes. |
AhenshihaelJan 1, 2017 11:10 AM
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LumberingCrane said: GoldNautilus said: So how do peope feel about the story of the fate/extra game? I'm very happy to see Miyamoto finally direct something, since Madoka had fantastic direction. I wish he was doing Zaregoto instead of yuki yase but whatever. I'm also very happy to see satoru kosaki doing the music since his work in the monogatari series is quite masterful. So I'm just curious, do they have good source material to work with? Well, if anything, it's the most fitting Fate work to be done by Shaft because of its theme. Can't really comment much since I'm far too biased; I love Fate/Extra even after recognizing all its flaws with gameplay flow and whatnot. I loved the story too, but the futuristic/virtual world setting is right up my alley as well. What I can say with certainty though is that Hakunon as a protagonist is golden since she's really snarky a lot of the times. Wow i feel like i wrote this LOL Pretty much how i feel. |
| Thank you @LumberingCrane and @Fai im pretty excited now |
| Everything Fai said, along with the fact that the Holy Grail War is set up differently, to the point where there feels like an extreme risk and sense of urgency. My only gripe with Extra was that some things felt very obvious and were easily guessable. Some characters are very strange (albeit still unique) in their motivations for fighting. I hope some characters from CCC make appearances, like Jinako, who was going to be in Extra apparently but was pushed to CCC. CCC does a great job at analyzing characters in very deep depths, and her whole chapter was really good. CCC also goes into a lot more detail of the Servants in Extra, so I hope those tid-bits are added especially for Extra's Saber. I find Shaft to be perfect and I look forward to how Miyamoto handles it alongside Nasu being more involved. Especially considering how tragic Extra sometimes is. LumberingCrane said: What I can say with certainty though is that Hakunon as a protagonist is golden since she's really snarky a lot of the times. Oh my god, yes this. I love Hakunon for the fact that she is so sarcastic sometimes, never gives up, and has a bit of a pervy side to herself. For a female protagonist, it's great and very refreshing. She says some pretty hilarious things in both Extra and, especially, in CCC. |
| So is this airing now in winter 2017? The year will be saved if it does |
| (don't forget Hakuno's comment about Archer getting a sick tan from a nuclear reactor) Well, there's a few things I'm looking forward to though. 1. Francis Xavier and other Extra related things 2. More female Hakuno merchandise. Praying her popularity skyrockets even more and she gets a Nendoroid or figma, so I can fill in the spaces of my Extra/CCC collection. She's adorable and I want more stuff of her that isn't Extella or isn't exclusive. |
| fate anime sure love "are you my master" scene even grand order have one are you my master senpai? |
| Into the Internet! |
ListAandM said: fate anime sure love "are you my master" scene even grand order have one are you my master senpai? I prefer that over more mana transfer jokes xD |
moodie said: Yeah, we are NOW but prior to the announcement trailer we were notTokoya said: Its airing next winter. Still doesn't mean that this is delayed.....I think you guys are just over thinking how the PV was worded we are in 2017 winter season next is spring 2017 then summer 2017 lastly fall 2017 next winter comes in 2018 if u think shaft is airing fate/extra this month for winter 2017 along side zaregoto and 3 gatsu no lion u are mistaken lol |
Tokoya said: yeah well its shaft.moodie said: Yeah, we are NOW but prior to the announcement trailer we were notIts airing next winter. we are in 2017 winter season next is spring 2017 then summer 2017 lastly fall 2017 next winter comes in 2018 if u think shaft is airing fate/extra this month for winter 2017 along side zaregoto and 3 gatsu no lion u are mistaken lol |
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| As I see fate continues the trend of horrifying magazine designs trend. Brings me flashbacks of that Kerry poster and the UBW magazine art and stuff. Needless to say - it is NOT indicative of the anime designs or how it will look in the show. What is written should be more interesting tbqh. |
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| 1. Literally ALL magazine images are usually meant to b e fanservicey in one way or the other. 2. Complaining about red saber and fanservice kind of misses the point of the character. 3. Erotic imagery is less of "fanservice" and more of a fitting part of surrealist aesthetic of Extra world. 4. The real oldschool nasuverse, while having erotic content, is not synonymous with fanservice at all. Its only the stuff like FGO and Extella that up that to ridiculous levels. |
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Fai said: 1. Literally ALL magazine images are usually meant to b e fanservicey in one way or the other. 2. Complaining about red saber and fanservice kind of misses the point of the character. 3. Erotic imagery is less of "fanservice" and more of a fitting part of surrealist aesthetic of Extra world. 4. The real oldschool nasuverse, while having erotic content, is not synonymous with fanservice at all. Its only the stuff like FGO and Extella that up that to ridiculous levels. So defensive, kek |
| Personally, if they do anything other than the Extella/Zero scenario, I'll be really disappointed. |
astroprogs said: Personally, if they do anything other than the Extella/Zero scenario, I'll be really disappointed. You literally must be joking. Why not wish the adaptation studio was changed to JC Staff while you are at it? That makes as much sense as tying this to Extella does. |
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Fai said: astroprogs said: Personally, if they do anything other than the Extella/Zero scenario, I'll be really disappointed. You literally must be joking. Why not wish the adaptation studio was changed to JC Staff while you are at it? That makes as much sense as tying this to Extella does. I'm not joking, no. Extella/Zero is pretty much Extra with a few added scenes at the beginning and end. Everything is the exact same. Opposing it is the thing that doesn't make any sort of sense. Also, Extra itself is and will always be tied to Extella. Nasu himself said that Extella is a direct sequel to Extra. |
astroprogs said: Fai said: You literally must be joking. Why not wish the adaptation studio was changed to JC Staff while you are at it? That makes as much sense as tying this to Extella does. I'm not joking, no. Extella/Zero is pretty much Extra with a few added scenes at the beginning and end. Everything is the exact same. Opposing it is the thing that doesn't make any sort of sense. Also, Extra itself is and will always be tied to Extella. Nasu himself said that Extella is a direct sequel to Extra. Fate/Extra is in no way same as Extella and there's no reason to bring down quality of by tying it to that. Extella can easily function without a "prequel' and with just idea that some shit is different. You don't seem to be asking for Fate/Zero to be remade just so it can segue into Prillya fter all. Extella and Extra are SEPARATE. Its both a sequel and not, because it follows a DIFFERENT Extra version and Extella overall does not explore the same themes nor have the same tone as Extra. Just like FHA it is set "after some version of" the previous story. Fate Extra is not meant to be "prequel". Its a surrealistic story that sets out to subvert expectations coming form FSN while developing a protagonist that is as great as Shirou. CCC then completes the story and enriches the narrative with some of the best writing Nasu has ever done creating a complete and finite work that makes sense. They can rewrite parts of F/E and I hope they will because of game's grindy nature, but killing F/E hollowing out the corpse and stuffing it full of extella makes zero sense. They can adapt Extella along the way if they want. As long asthey keep that shit separate from F/e and CCC adaptations. CCC is already THE best fate work ever written. Tainting it by the utter nonsense of Extella version of it is just NO. It makes zero sense to title this Fate/Extra and instead do a prequel to Extella of all things. That's literally false advertising. It makes as much sense as if they anounced UBW adaptation and did unwritten archer route there instead. At this point the only logical people for you wanting this is because you want to spite people who actually like F/E. Nice try, not working. Kingof1k said: Extella/Zero.... Pls not like this..... not like this...... ^This. |
AhenshihaelJan 10, 2017 9:10 AM
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Fai said: astroprogs said: I'm not joking, no. Extella/Zero is pretty much Extra with a few added scenes at the beginning and end. Everything is the exact same. Opposing it is the thing that doesn't make any sort of sense. Also, Extra itself is and will always be tied to Extella. Nasu himself said that Extella is a direct sequel to Extra. Fate/Extra is in no way same as Extella and there's no reason to bring down quality of by tying it to that. Extella can easily function without a "prequel' and with just idea that some shit is different. You don't seem to be asking for Fate/Zero to be remade just so it can segue into Prillya fter all. Extella and Extra are SEPARATE. Its both a sequel and not, because it follows a DIFFERENT Extra version and Extella overall does not explore the same themes nor have the same tone as Extra. Just like FHA it is set "after some version of" the previous story. Fate Extra is not meant to be "prequel". Its a surrealistic story that sets out to subvert expectations coming form FSN while developing a protagonist that is as great as Shirou. CCC then completes the story and enriches the narrative with some of the best writing Nasu has ever done creating a complete and finite work that makes sense. They can rewrite parts of F/E and I hope they will because of game's grindy nature, but killing F/E hollowing out the corpse and stuffing it full of extella makes zero sense. They can adapt Extella along the way if they want. As long asthey keep that shit separate from F/e and CCC adaptations. CCC is already THE best fate work ever written. Tainting it by the utter nonsense of Extella version of it is just NO. It makes zero sense to title this Fate/Extra and instead do a prequel to Extella of all things. That's literally false advertising. It makes as much sense as if they anounced UBW adaptation and did unwritten archer route there instead. At this point the only logical people for you wanting this is because you want to spite people who actually like F/E. Nice try, not working. Kingof1k said: Extella/Zero.... Pls not like this..... not like this...... ^This. You're still not saying what makes Extella/Zero itself worse than Extra, story-wise. All I'm seeing from this is you hating Extella and you wanting to distance Extra as far away from it as you can. Again, Extella/Zero is hardly any different from Extra. The new scenes subtracts absolutely nothing from the story, it only adds. And this stays true even if Extella itself wasn't even a thing. If you want Extra written for anime and to feature more than one Servant and fill up the long stretches of nothingness the were rampant in the game, you get Extella/Zero. Did you even read the scenario? Saying it hollowed Extra is just factually wrong. It quite literally only added to it. Forget Extella for one second and look at that scenario's own merits. Finally, the hell with you accusing me of wanting to spite people who like Extra? I freaking love Extra. Stop assuming shit you know nothing about. |
astroprogsJan 10, 2017 10:34 AM
| Is Extella/Zero any good? Where I can read it? Also, if they do what you guys are suggesting, CCC won't have an adaptation, right? |
| FGO NA Code: 482.072.599 (F2P thug life of savings...) Ben-to! best nonsensical action anime. Ever. |
Fabris said: Is Extella/Zero any good? Where I can read it? Also, if they do what you guys are suggesting, CCC won't have an adaptation, right? Extella Zero was just some of Nasu's notes about his planned idea of how he imagined the events of Extella happened. Essentially, it's Extra with some uh...very concerning issues (like having both Hakuno's and the female one being some sort of "lesser isotope fated to self-destruct" because she doesn't have the original soul). If you google it, his translated notes will be there. Like most people, I hope that Nasu doesn't take too much inspiration from Extella Zero because, to me, his notes were just an absolute mess with how everything played out, it went the usual harem route with male Hakuno as the center, and how female Hakuno is literally pushed to the side until the end. We don't know what's in store to be honest. Last Encore may adapt events from Extra and CCC if both Hakuno's are used, may have some CCC characters (Jinako comes to mind first) to make a story better suited for TV. My hopes is that either 1. we just have female Hakuno be the main with Nero (best case scenario imho) or 2. Female Hakuno ends up in a situation similar to CCC where she's temporarily contracted (hence how she's revived, and the gold light she sees reminds me a lot of CCC) with another servant and male Hakuno goes with Nero, without any 'lesser isotope' stuff happening. But, I'm biased because I love CCC, it is my favorite Type Moon/Fate spin-off with all my favorite servants. I'd love to see how Shaft would handle a lot of the issues thrown out in CCC and how scenes would play out in their style. It's very nice to learn more about the the servants in great detail, especially Also CCC was absolutely hilarious at times and fits Shaft's quirky style well. I hope that, if Nasu doesn't write CCC things in Last Encore, that CCC gets its own movie...or something, I don't know. Man, now I wanna go replay CCC.... |
khione said: Fabris said: Is Extella/Zero any good? Where I can read it? Also, if they do what you guys are suggesting, CCC won't have an adaptation, right? Extella Zero was just some of Nasu's notes about his planned idea of how he imagined the events of Extella happened. Essentially, it's Extra with some uh...very concerning issues (like having both Hakuno's and the female one being some sort of "lesser isotope fated to self-destruct" because she doesn't have the original soul). If you google it, his translated notes will be there. Like most people, I hope that Nasu doesn't take too much inspiration from Extella Zero because, to me, his notes were just an absolute mess with how everything played out, it went the usual harem route with male Hakuno as the center, and how female Hakuno is literally pushed to the side until the end. We don't know what's in store to be honest. Last Encore may adapt events from Extra and CCC if both Hakuno's are used, may have some CCC characters (Jinako comes to mind first) to make a story better suited for TV. My hopes is that either 1. we just have female Hakuno be the main with Nero (best case scenario imho) or 2. Female Hakuno ends up in a situation similar to CCC where she's temporarily contracted (hence how she's revived, and the gold light she sees reminds me a lot of CCC) with another servant and male Hakuno goes with Nero, without any 'lesser isotope' stuff happening. But, I'm biased because I love CCC, it is my favorite Type Moon/Fate spin-off with all my favorite servants. I'd love to see how Shaft would handle a lot of the issues thrown out in CCC and how scenes would play out in their style. It's very nice to learn more about the the servants in great detail, especially Also CCC was absolutely hilarious at times and fits Shaft's quirky style well. I hope that, if Nasu doesn't write CCC things in Last Encore, that CCC gets its own movie...or something, I don't know. Man, now I wanna go replay CCC.... Did people completely miss out on the fact that male and female Hakuno are interchangeable in the Extella/Zero scenario? Did nobody think that their roles completely reverse if you choose Hakunon in Extella? Did you miss out on Nasu's notes about how CCC is 1:1 from the game with zero changes to it in the new scenario? Did you also miss out on Nasu's notes that clearly states that the scenario can have either Saber or Caster as the main Servants exacly like Extra with no need to change any of the events, aside from the summoning scene? Why do you people dislike that scenario, again? Other than the misinformation, I mean. It's really frustrating when people dismiss this outright better retelling of Extra on such faulty basis. |
astroprogsJan 10, 2017 11:13 PM
Fabris said: Is Extella/Zero any good? Where I can read it? Also, if they do what you guys are suggesting, CCC won't have an adaptation, right? Extella/Zero is literally just Extra with very few added new plot elements that change nothing, but add more meat that was much needed in the original story. There you go, here's a summary of the scenario. And no, CCC occurs in the scenario as well, completely unchanged. |
| Rather, why not? It sound better than Extra for a narrative suitable for a novel or an anime series. The ideas introduced in it doesn't take away anything from what was originally there and it incorporates all the Servants for a slight twist, that, ironically enough, would work the best if you're actually familiar with the original Extra. I gave me opinion on it in the link above. I really liked the additions and felt it'd be truly wonderful for a single adaptation that can cover almost all the material from the three routes of Extra without upsetting any character's fans. You get to see Saber, Mumei and Caster all animated and kicking ass, you get to please the male demographic by having Hakuno as the main character, you get to please Hakunon's fans as we see her and Archer kick an obscene amount of ass (seriously, that fight with Gawain is bound to be balls to the walls amazing), you get to please the lore nerds by smartly incorporating CCC and Extella in the mix naturally and finally, you get to see a story MUCH more suitable for linear adaptation, while keeping in mind that Hakuno and Hakunon are equally legit possibilities for each other as the protagonist. After all this, the question shouldn't be "why be hung up on Extella/Zero", it's "why the hell not?". But iirc, Fate/Extella is a completely standalone game that doesn't even require knowledge of Fate/Extra. You need both Extra and CCC to understand world details and numerous plot points. |
astroprogsJan 11, 2017 4:52 AM
LumberingCrane said: "it's just that if they use it as the basis for the anime there's even less chances for Hakunon to be the protagonist." - What I posted literally a while back. I feel like you just glossed over the only relevant thing for me in this whole shtick: which is actually getting Hakunon as a Female protagonist. Being delegated to an inferior soulless counterpart is hardly an improvement over not being present at all. It's arguably worse since it diminishes her original role as an equal to Male Hakuno. What anime adaptation EVER used a FemMC? Who said Hakunon even had the slightest chance of becoming the protagonist? Also, this IS an improvement over not showing up at all. If you know about Extella's story, soulless Hakunon would still have a peraonality and a drive to win the grail just like Hakunon. Not only that, now that she's free from the curse of bland protagonist, she's actually allowed to have a character. She's allowed to be her own person instead of being Ritsuka 2.0 , which is likely to end up happening to Hakuno himself. |
| XSEED is wrong then. Extella is clearly not a standalone. XSEED probably said that for marketing purposes. You wouldn't want to limit the audience who'll buy your game. Extella/Zero IS Extra. It's as relevant to Extella as Extra is. How is it being a bunch of notes on Nasu's blog relevant to my argument? I'm saying that the ideas it introduces are great, be it a serialized book or a note on Nasu's handkerchief. You know that Extella is canon right? You also know that you can choose Hakunon there, right? And you know that the story composition for Last Encore was officially announced to be by Nasu, right? The anime adaptations are a separate timeline in the canon, not the only canon. If Extella/Zero is a prequel to Extella and you can choose Hakunon there, it's self explanatory that they're interchangeable in the anime as well. You're missing the point I'm trying to make. Would it be clearer if I said that I'd be as 100% on board if they adapted Extella/Zero with Hakunon as the protagonist? You mean like how Gudako is a thousand times more popular than Gudao, yet he still got the protagonist seat? And I'm not talking about Riyo' Gudako either, I'm talking about the original. Looing at decades of the same pattern repeating in the anime industry, it doesn't make sense to jump on that ship just yet. The PV intentionally left out who Nero was talking to. It's still considered a reach to assume that she'll be the protagonist just based on the general visuals of that PV. Currently, we just know she'll be in the anime. Look, I HOPE Hakunon is the protagonist. I really do. One of the biggest reason I'm onboard Extella/Zero is that they found a way to incorporate Hakunon in Hakuno's scenario. If we're to inevitable get a Hakuno-centric adaptation, doing Extella/Zero means that we still got to see Hakunon in anime form. |
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