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| @TheAceofFuture I didn't over-complicate it, this actually simplifies it to one cohesive concept, it's just hard to sufficiently describe in simple terms because the appropriate words don't exist. It's not originally multiverse, that's not what it was going for... That's overly convoluted and nonsensical. it just seems simpler because you hear about it fucking everywhere and are used to it. |
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| @TheAceofFuture It didn't necessarily change.. you missed the whole "dream" part of the equation. People just love to always assume mystical magical timeline hopping like it's a bunch of lanes on a highway or something. |
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| Great interpretation of dreams in Kimi no Na Wa! I would add my own interpretation, but I think I need to rewatch the film a fourth time with all this in mind for it to be remotely worthwhile. This is just a suggestion, but since many complain about the wall of text (I was fine with it), for future topics you do, why not try to organize your points in sections to more clearly explain them? I'm sorry if I'm coming off as an ass, but I do think something like that would help a clearer discussion grow, instead of people just coming up to you because they didn't understand something you said. |
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TheAceofFuture said: Draconix814 said: Great interpretation of dreams in Kimi no Na Wa! I would add my own interpretation, but I think I need to rewatch the film a fourth time with all this in mind for it to be remotely worthwhile. This is just a suggestion, but since many complain about the wall of text (I was fine with it), for future topics you do, why not try to organize your points in sections to more clearly explain them? I'm sorry if I'm coming off as an ass, but I do think something like that would help a clearer discussion grow, instead of people just coming up to you because they didn't understand something you said. Hmm, now you spoke my mind... :) I wouldn't say she directly overcomplicated the film's interpretation, I'm just saying that because not only are the points she's making scattered throughout the post, but she also wrote most of her points in the chronological order (and in Japanese numerals), which I wouldn't understand if I hadn't watched the movie 3 times (and a YouTube video that presented the film in chronological order), making it harder for random people to want to try to understand when clicking on the post. I'm not saying she shouldn't have done so chronologically, I'm saying if she divided more her points into sections to better explain some of the ideas behind dreams and time travel in a more easily understood way, then she wouldn't be getting so many people asking her to clear things up for them. Actually I think that's what you were saying the most, but I just want to be clear that I don't think any of the information she explained was wrong in itself, and much of it was very interesting, just she needed to be aware of how others will inevitably read the post (confused). |
TheAceofFuture said: TheAceofFuture said: Oh, so what you're implying is that they met in a dream, n every change was nonexistent in reality. Its just your interpretation. Hey, but Tessie mentioned Everett multi verse, what about that? We can also interpret that the "Twilight Meeting" diverged the original timeline into the one in which Mitsuha died (the virtual one) and the one in which they survived (the altered reality), hmm? :s @Draconix814 What do you think of my interpretation then? 😎 I'm trying to figure out who "Tessie" is, as I scrolled down the entire character list and couldn't find a name that matched, I also don't remember anything like a multiverse in the film. I also don't exactly understand what your point is, you are basically stating the same thing as GenesisAria, then said "well, the timelines could have diverted here", which is the only thing that looks like it is different and called it your interpretation, even though the altered timelines thing was the first conclusion most people came to when watching the film. As far as her own interpretation is concerned, I don't think she is saying that every change doesn't exist, she's saying that their perceptions, and by extension, the story of the film are being warped thanks to the effects of their dream being confused with reality. Think of Perfect Blue. |
TheAceofFuture said: Draconix814 said: I'm trying to figure out who "Tessie" is, as I scrolled down the entire character list and couldn't find a name that matched, I also don't remember anything like a multiverse in the film. I also don't exactly understand what your point is, you are basically stating the same thing as GenesisAria, then said "well, the timelines could have diverted here", which is the only thing that looks like it is different and called it your interpretation, even though the altered timelines thing was the first conclusion most people came to when watching the film. As far as her own interpretation is concerned, I don't think she is saying that every change doesn't exist, she's saying that their perceptions, and by extension, the story of the film are being warped thanks to the effects of their dream being confused with reality. Think of Perfect Blue. Sorry, English subs displayed Teshigawara(Tesshi) as Tessie. He speaks of that possibility in the beginning of movie when Mitsuha is told of her strange behavior due to swapping for the 1st time, remember that scene from under the tree shade. He doubts that it may be her previous life or her subconscious linked to the Everett multiverse . Be aware, that was a very clever foreshadowing and a Western outlook to explain Shinto spirituality. 😆 That's... not really that important though. If anything that detail was added to prime the audience to start thinking along the lines of spiritual or supernatural connections, rather than it is indicative of what the nature of the story its trying to tell is. |
Draconix814 said: Meh. I just wrote something i wanted to write and shared it because i wanted to... not really trying to write a refined cleanly formatted review here.Great interpretation of dreams in Kimi no Na Wa! I would add my own interpretation, but I think I need to rewatch the film a fourth time with all this in mind for it to be remotely worthwhile. This is just a suggestion, but since many complain about the wall of text (I was fine with it), for future topics you do, why not try to organize your points in sections to more clearly explain them? I'm sorry if I'm coming off as an ass, but I do think something like that would help a clearer discussion grow, instead of people just coming up to you because they didn't understand something you said. |
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GenesisAria said: Draconix814 said: Meh. I just wrote something i wanted to write and shared it because i wanted to... not really trying to write a refined cleanly formatted review here.Great interpretation of dreams in Kimi no Na Wa! I would add my own interpretation, but I think I need to rewatch the film a fourth time with all this in mind for it to be remotely worthwhile. This is just a suggestion, but since many complain about the wall of text (I was fine with it), for future topics you do, why not try to organize your points in sections to more clearly explain them? I'm sorry if I'm coming off as an ass, but I do think something like that would help a clearer discussion grow, instead of people just coming up to you because they didn't understand something you said. I can understand that a lot, I'm just saying because this because it can be very confusing to people, especially when there are technicalities to explain using lore or theories or whatever. |
| I just watched this movie (really good by the way) and I agree with comments up here.0Although some ideas in OP's post are interesting, people try too hard to explain this movie with science and logic when it's clearly not necessary. Time travel/paradox can justify anything in films, anime, games, ..., so. The puprose of the movie was not to describe the phenomenon of time travail, dream transmission or whatever after all. And even when it focused on it to explain the main plot, it was not really complicated. |
| Did i ever say it was necessary? I don't like hand-waving shit as just "it's entertainment, therefore all literary issues are excused". Missing the point of the post, it's to attempt to whisk away the types that call the movie crap or broken on false premises, and that there's plenty of interesting stuff if you care to look. |
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Deus said: The way you right it means that you just want to insult fans. It's very hard to make a post what OP did. Atleast OP did a lot of work on it and you just come up with something like this. You can point something which you don't like. And there we go again, die-hard fanboys and fangirls defending their favorite anime and looking for excuses for all the plot holes. Most of your arguments are invalid and subjective, this post isn't objectively right. I'm not buying your excuses and many people won't do either. My forum avatar is my answer to any question you have regarding why I don't buy your arguments (if you even care though). You disregard every counter-argument and you're looking for ways to make this overrated movie look like perfection. Don't forget, even Gintama isn't perfect. Everything has flaws. Have a nice day. You're not expert at answering unanswered questions. Felkyr said: Was it really bad?The poor spelling and grammar in the OP just confused me more. herrokan said: And you can't explain how.This is one of the most deluded and ridiculous threads I've ever read. tangsbestfriend2 said: Explain what you mean by it.I wanna fill your plotholes if you know what I'm sayin I haven't even watched the movie what am I doing here Deus said: So emojis cause cancer. What a theory. It's discussion thread which isn't locked so anyone can reply to you. The only one insulting here is you. Others are giving you reply for what you say.TheAceofFuture said: And we're at it again, ignorant guys viewing a beautiful piece of art as a bs commercial. 😒 Seriously if u don't agree, then tell us what's a better objective explanation to this movie's concepts. Its because of u fools that MAL community suffers from... (even though it have vast diversities of fans from worldwide) Grow up, dude and please learn some manners and wisdom to appreciate others generous contributions to society. 😒 You're reviving a dead thread. I'm not going to waste time on ignorant person who calls me foolish without logical basis and uses cancerous emojis TWICE in ONE comment. I humbly request that you get lost and do not quote my old replies again. You think that it's a right for haters to criticize but fans don't have a right to defend it. What a bias. GenesisAria said: But do you understand how hard it's to read that wall of a text? How many words are in it, thousands? It's fine though. It may not to be easy for you to break your own post in points so I think you can imagine how hard it could be for the reader though. I can't blame you. I think you did your best or atleast you have put a lot of effort into it already. Peace!Draconix814 said: Meh. I just wrote something i wanted to write and shared it because i wanted to... not really trying to write a refined cleanly formatted review here.Great interpretation of dreams in Kimi no Na Wa! I would add my own interpretation, but I think I need to rewatch the film a fourth time with all this in mind for it to be remotely worthwhile. This is just a suggestion, but since many complain about the wall of text (I was fine with it), for future topics you do, why not try to organize your points in sections to more clearly explain them? I'm sorry if I'm coming off as an ass, but I do think something like that would help a clearer discussion grow, instead of people just coming up to you because they didn't understand something you said. |
puneetsinghMay 3, 2020 3:31 AM
| Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood. |
| Would've never expected to have almost 3 year old comment quoted. Ignore it, that was edgy me from 3 years ago. |
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TheAcefromFuture said: I m good. Lockdown is going at average as not many people are dying from corona and also infected rate isn't much but money for poor people is a problem. Also health system for normal people has become weak. There are people who are just thinking about corona even if someone doesn't have corona. You can call it a chaos situation in some areas. So neither good or bad.puneetsingh said: The way you right it means that you just want to insult fans. It's very hard to make a post what OP did. Atleast OP did a lot of work on it and you just come up with something like this. You can point something which you don't like. Was it really bad?And you can't explain how.Explain what you mean by it.So emojis cause cancer. What a theory. It's discussion thread which isn't locked so anyone can reply to you. The only one insulting is you here others are giving you reply for what you say. You think that it's a right for haters to criticize but fans don't have a right to defend it. What a bias. But do you understand how hard it's to read that wall of a text? How many words are in it you, thousands? It's fine though. It may not to be easy for you to break your own post in easy so I think you can imagine how hard it could be for the reader though. I can't blame you. I think you did your best or atleast you have put a lot of effort into it already. Hey, bro... What's up? Never expected another Indian to show up in a thread like this(how's lockdown goin BTW 😅🤣)... What the OP posted certainly deserves some praise... It's one of the best interpretations of the film's technical concepts, I must say! 😆🙃😇 The only thing is that it was very big but that shows how much effort OP put into it. |
| Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood. |
| @puneetsingh ... i mean i didn't write it to be a pandering reader's digest you pick up over morning tea. I wrote it as it came, raw, no bs, no tweaking my words to sell anything or spread propaganda. If you don't like it, i'm sorry to hear, but it's not worth bitching about... you read it did you not? Why else would you be commenting? XD ps: that is a very light amount of reading... few thousand words is nothing. many people read many times that every day. |
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GenesisAria said: Yes I know you didn't. @puneetsingh ... i mean i didn't write it to be a pandering reader's digest you pick up over morning tea. GenesisAria said: 1. I know you wrote it as it came.I wrote it as it came, raw, no bs, no tweaking my words to sell anything or spread propaganda. 2. I know it's not BS or you are tweaking your words to sell anything. I also didn't say that you are spreading propaganda. GenesisAria said: When I said I didn't like it? Did you find my posts to Deus or anyone else or you saying that I dislike it?If you don't like it, i'm sorry to hear, GenesisAria said: Why not? After all it's discussion thread and misunderstandings need to be clear.but it's not worth bitching about... GenesisAria said: I got an idea of it. It's well written but there's something else I wanted to say.you read it did you not? Why else would you be commenting? XD GenesisAria said: Well that's the point I am forwarding to but this time I first clear my points so you don't get confuse i.e. it's a great post and I got a somewhat idea of it BUT I was taking about your following point:ps: that is a very light amount of reading... few thousand words is nothing. many people read many times that every day. GenesisAria said: It was your attempt to whisk away the types that call the movie crap but I think mostly fans and non-extremist haters will read it or get an idea of it whereas the extremist ones will just say that post stupid but I think it's their fault that they don't read it and by watching the post again I don't think that it's that hard but it's MAL threads where people normally don't read these kind of big posts unless it's by a moderator. You can keep your post like that but you can make the heading saying that Kimi no na wa "long-winded explanation" as it can give a warning to the already coming ones who may oppose that. For me, I did get an idea of it but still I don't think I will read all of it right now especially when I have also read some of the debating posts here which also give somewhat idea to me overall. I may read it completely when I feel like to know more about the movie.Missing the point of the post, it's to attempt to whisk away the types that call the movie crap or broken on false premises, and that there's plenty of interesting stuff if you care to look. |
puneetsinghMay 7, 2020 11:38 PM
| Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood. |
puneetsingh said: GenesisAria said: It was your attempt to whisk away the types that call the movie crap but I think mostly fans and non-extremist haters will read it or get an idea of it whereas the extremist ones will just say that post stupid but I think it's their fault that they don't read it and by watching the post again I don't think that it's that hard but it's MAL threads where people normally don't read these kind of big posts unless it's by a moderator. You can keep your post like that but you can make the heading saying that Kimi no na wa "long-winded explanation" as it can give a warning to the already coming ones who may oppose that. For me, I did get an idea of it but still I don't think I will read all of it right now especially when I have also read some of the debating posts here which also give somewhat idea to me overall. I may read it completely when I feel like to know more about the movie.Missing the point of the post, it's to attempt to whisk away the types that call the movie crap or broken on false premises, and that there's plenty of interesting stuff if you care to look. Err, i just put it out there. If i were campaigning or spreading an agenda, i'd have done something different lol. It's in a forum where people can go to if they wanna get some extra thonk, and maybe show their friends who might be having trouble accepting the movie on irrelevant basis. The thread title is clickbaity so it doesn't just get lost deeper than it already is. Nothing i do is really without purpose. Even the odd person like the one above this post expressing their gratitude is really, well, gratifying. I'm nice that i was able to do something for someone in my thought-dumping :) |
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| First time I watched it I was kinda dumb and confused by the time jumps. Really hurt my enjoyment. Watched it again recently after watching a quick video on YouTube explaining it a bit. Ah, so thats how it works. Finally I was able to let the emotions flow. Still stand by my opinion though that the story at its core was not much to praise |
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| Too much thought put into something that isn't really the focus of the story, Makoto Shinkai is way more interested on the romance, pacing(wholy shit the pacing of this movie is a 10/10), mysticism, background art, vistas and even the gags, than he is if the time travel concept works 100% or not. There are time travel stories; There are stories with time travel in it; Kimi no Na Wa is definitely the latter. OP seems a bit misguided on the matter by her love of the movie, even though it's abundantly clear that she at least has a grasp on the popular known different time travel concepts and seems to really want this aspect of the story to not have a plot holes, because for her, this is one of, or the ONE main aspect(s) of the movie, and i'm not entirely sure who(definitely Shinkai, but i don't think by much) spent more time trying to make it make sense, taking into consideration that the writer/director had to create the concept, story, make sure the intertwined dates wouldn't be problematic and the back and forth aspects wouldn't contradict themselves for the more eager hardcore fans such as yourself, that like to know the meaning behind this sort of stuff. The most glaring reason that stands out to me, is that Makoto Shinkai has never shown this level of complexity in any of his previous work, or since, even though i really like 5 Centimeters Per Second, that "movie" is really, really simple but it touched me in my emotional core bypassing the blocks i put on myself, i don't care if it has logical problems and some things might not make much sense, even though i like to see myself as a very analytical thinker and viewer that gets most aspects of a story that would take most people a second viewing. The main thing in my opinion here is that you shouldn't try to create "excuses" or forced explanations to possible plot holes or contrivances because you love something, just because you might feel attacked by people who don't share your love and opinion or to keep the feeling that your opinions matters the most over other people's, and that's completely normal, right now you might be thinking i'm one of those people attacking the movie and you and that i just don't think deep enough. Everyone is different in what they need, want and think, some people see no difference in something you'd call perfect from a hot pile of steaming shit, but the thing is that this is okay because people only take in what they want, even if what they want isn't even there. GenesisAria said: ... i mean i didn't write it to be a pandering reader's digest you pick up over morning tea. I wrote it as it came, raw, no bs, no tweaking my words to sell anything or spread propaganda. If you don't like it, i'm sorry to hear, but it's not worth bitching about... you read it did you not? Why else would you be commenting? XD Just a last point, you should always try to express what you're feeling or the meaning you want to pass as concisely and ordained as possible, if you really didn't care that people didn't get what you were trying to say, you wouldn't really post this here and also keep coming back to the thread when a new response was made, you want a discussion, not just shout to the wind. I relate and really love people like you that go through the entire product and analyses this shit out of things. |
SteelingMaxOct 11, 2020 4:18 AM
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| @SteelingMax If you knew the background of the creation of the plotline, he got caught up in making a complex time gap story to his passion (which is and always has been his style, stories of long distance relationships), and then afterwards realized that he rather focus on making a more contemporary romance out of it. Both are relevant. Essentially nobody has anything to complain about the emotional or romantic aspects of the movie, as these were clearly amazing to just about everyone. The complaints are about the seemingly broken technical aspects that are taken so for granted that people matter-of-factly describe the movie as something in which you "have to look past the major logical flaws to appreciate", making it not that great of a movie, when in fact these flaws are not really flaws, and the movie is a masterpiece. |
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