| According to MAL graph, once you get 200 items on your list you are a "casual watcher". I don't really watch too many OVAs of shows so I would say day count is probably more important. Also people saying movies don't count and shit, shut the fuck up anime movies are awesome and if someone prefers to watch movies that's fine. I find it takes more effort to watch an anime movie as you have to watch them in a longer sitting. The time disparity between a 13 ep tv show and 90 movie is quite big but proportionally, so is the different between a 13 ep tv show and 50 episode tv show. This is why time watched is a better metric for how much anime somebody has actually seen. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
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| Oh, I forgot to bring up this point, but there is a standard that to become an "Expert or Master" in any field you need to have 10,000 hrs of exposure in that field. If you want to apply this to anime for a standard as well. It is mainly used for academia/hobbies though. |
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| Maybe if you watch astro boy black and white. Then you become one? HAHA jks. Damn you guys are all savages. 100-1000 anime? Still a long way to go i guess. |
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Mr_Perv_ said: O.O Here I thought I had watched a lot of anime.... There is always someone better than you huh... xDI consider This Guy a veteran but I don't see myself as one I still feel like a baby with how much anime I've seen |
Mr_Perv_ said: well he watched more anime but this one watched more episodes and from that more days than him and not only that but he completed more than 10000 manga tooI consider This Guy a veteran but I don't see myself as one I still feel like a baby with how much anime I've seen |
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Manjix said: You can have only watched like 10 series and still be a veteran. It's just a matter of gaining the ability of knowing whether or not an anime has potential to be good or not. I skimp through a lot of the comments here and frankly speaking, I both felt insulted and offended when people state that you have to go through at least 200 or 300 series to even be considered a casual watcher. Being a "veteran" in my eyes frankly, is just the matter of watching enough good shows to be able to sieve out the trash series from the good ones or the ones that have potential. Like in my case, this year alone there's only like less series that are worth checking out than the number of fingers I have on my hands. From my perspective, the easiest way to tell that if a series holds any potential to be good, all you have to do is look at what it contains. Like for example, I have not watched Joker Game, but from my instinct I know that it'll be a good series to follow. This is because of few factors :
So from this 3 things, instantly I can deduce that the series is one that tries to stand on the premise of it's setting and plot without additives. It's akin to an ice cream where it has no toppings at all, hence being that the only way for this ice cream to work is that the ice cream has to be delicious. I don't really care if people take a look at my list and say I have no credentials to be a "veteran", but being someone who have literally watched anime my entire life, starting from Sailormoon since I was literally 5, I have grown enough to be able to see what a good anime should have to make it work. Lol, Joker game is actually stupid crap XD. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I think watching anime for 10 years makes you a veteran someone can watch 1000 or 2000 shows, but they could be shorts, movies, music etc with all that considered it isn't about how much shows you have watched, but how much years you've put into anime in my opinion anyway. |
Mr_Perv_ said: Mamster-P said: "it must be at least 1/2 your list" thats what you said not 300LMAO well i guess so lol.... although i did say i'd prefer about 300 TV anime lol, at least you have the time part on your hands @vegetosayajin that is the MOST TROLL signature, you got me for a second xD I said in another post I'd say about 300 lol 1/2 a list could be 20 and theres ppl on here w 50 completions who joined like 9 years ago lol |
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| According to my MAL graph, 52% of my list is TV shows. And I've been an anime fan for 17 years. I've got both of those bases covered. :V |
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black1blade said: Manjix said: You can have only watched like 10 series and still be a veteran. It's just a matter of gaining the ability of knowing whether or not an anime has potential to be good or not. I skimp through a lot of the comments here and frankly speaking, I both felt insulted and offended when people state that you have to go through at least 200 or 300 series to even be considered a casual watcher. Being a "veteran" in my eyes frankly, is just the matter of watching enough good shows to be able to sieve out the trash series from the good ones or the ones that have potential. Like in my case, this year alone there's only like less series that are worth checking out than the number of fingers I have on my hands. From my perspective, the easiest way to tell that if a series holds any potential to be good, all you have to do is look at what it contains. Like for example, I have not watched Joker Game, but from my instinct I know that it'll be a good series to follow. This is because of few factors :
So from this 3 things, instantly I can deduce that the series is one that tries to stand on the premise of it's setting and plot without additives. It's akin to an ice cream where it has no toppings at all, hence being that the only way for this ice cream to work is that the ice cream has to be delicious. I don't really care if people take a look at my list and say I have no credentials to be a "veteran", but being someone who have literally watched anime my entire life, starting from Sailormoon since I was literally 5, I have grown enough to be able to see what a good anime should have to make it work. Lol, Joker game is actually stupid crap XD. That moment when a hypothesis is completely wrong...... |
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| If you have watched SERIAL EXPERIMENTS LAIN in one go, you are a veteran. |
| It depends, you can call yourself a veteran when at least fulfill these criteria No Drops 500+ Series Watched A wide knowledge about anime history and some specific anime 10k Episodes watched That's what I would consider veteran, I am not one to talk but I am working on it. |
So basically it proves by that person's own definition they aren't a veteran and need to watch better shows. |
| 400 anime is quite a lot, but according to your list, you mostly watched crap... |
Manjix said: You can have only watched like 10 series and still be a veteran. It's just a matter of gaining the ability of knowing whether or not an anime has potential to be good or not. I skimp through a lot of the comments here and frankly speaking, I both felt insulted and offended when people state that you have to go through at least 200 or 300 series to even be considered a casual watcher. Being a "veteran" in my eyes frankly, is just the matter of watching enough good shows to be able to sieve out the trash series from the good ones or the ones that have potential. Like in my case, this year alone there's only like less series that are worth checking out than the number of fingers I have on my hands. From my perspective, the easiest way to tell that if a series holds any potential to be good, all you have to do is look at what it contains. Like for example, I have not watched Joker Game, but from my instinct I know that it'll be a good series to follow. This is because of few factors :
So from this 3 things, instantly I can deduce that the series is one that tries to stand on the premise of it's setting and plot without additives. It's akin to an ice cream where it has no toppings at all, hence being that the only way for this ice cream to work is that the ice cream has to be delicious. I don't really care if people take a look at my list and say I have no credentials to be a "veteran", but being someone who have literally watched anime my entire life, starting from Sailormoon since I was literally 5, I have grown enough to be able to see what a good anime should have to make it work. That's how beginners judge shows :>. It works if you're set on only watching one or two specific kind of shows and think everything else is crap as soon as it has like a cute girl or some superpower aspect. To some degree this is how I started out as well before I started watching more and different stuff than what I was used to, but that's far from a 'veteran' method imo. On the contrary, as a veteran you know every anime is marketed towards some target audience and if cute girls aren't present you'll probably get tons of bishounen for the ladies. An absence of cute girls doesn't mean an absence of 'additives' as you called it. Anime is full of cute girls and bishounen and other 'additives' and marketing so the key is not to look for shows that are devoid of those but to see what they are selling (most people will find a thing or two they actually like being sold) and how dominant those aspects are. Is it literally the only selling point? Is it the main point but not aggresively so, and well executed so that it can still be enjoyable? Is it just there because it can't hurt to also have a cute girl/boy for the fans but the focus of the series is still mostly on the story and character developments and whatnot? Once you're more experienced and open-minded towards the medium you'll realize that there can be good shows in all kinds of genres and adjust your criteria. Now I still had high expectations for Joker Game because if there's one thing I agree on is that Novel adaptions tend to have pretty solid chances of being something good (Tatami Galaxy, SSY, Uchouten Kazoku etc...) and because it's the kind of show I like (spies and stuff) but it's definitely not one of the only 5-10 (or however many fingers you have) shows of the year that had any potential just based on synopsis etc... That's a pretty narrow-minded opinion if you ask me and has little to do with being experienced. I see lots of casuals who also discard a lot of good shows based on superficial reasons before even giving them a try and trying to enjoy them for what they are. It's fair to say shows with cute girls or superpowers aren't for you, but saying your experience tells you those are bad is a different story. Also let me add that the main reason why people are disappointed by Joker Game is that it pretty much lacks any plot and is purely episodic. Given that context I didn't find the show bad, it had decent episodic spy stories and whatnot, but it could have definitely been much more exciting if it tied them into some kind of bigger and more interesting narrative. It wasn't the exciting and captivating ride through WWII that people hoped for but as an episodic show about the random stories of a bunch of spies it was solid enough. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| ive been watching anime for well over 10 years, the majority of anime i watched happend in like the first 2 or 3 years. So im not sure if its a numbers game or an amount of time game i guess at the end of the day, its pretty arbitrary. Consider yourself whatever you feel like considering yourself lol. |
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| IMO a veteran should be able to recommend more than just the classics... I'd say 100+ anime without OVAs and Movies (a movie is probably 1/5 anime). |
| I'd say a veteran is someone with 500+ watched TV shows. Someone who knows about anime and can talk about it to others without sounding like a massive pretentious shitbag is someone with 300+ watched anime. Everyone with -200 is a fanboy pleb. That's how I see it. I used to think I was the anime big-shot with my 280 completed series but now I realise I have a lot to improve my knowledge and experience on. |
Manjix said: Pullman said: That's how beginners judge shows :>. It works if you're set on only watching one or two specific kind of shows and think everything else is crap as soon as it has like a cute girl or some superpower aspect. To some degree this is how I started out as well before I started watching more and different stuff than what I was used to, but that's far from a 'veteran' method imo. On the contrary, as a veteran you know every anime is marketed towards some target audience and if cute girls aren't present you'll probably get tons of bishounen for the ladies. An absence of cute girls doesn't mean an absence of 'additives' as you called it. Anime is full of cute girls and bishounen and other 'additives' and marketing so the key is not to look for shows that are devoid of those but to see what they are selling (most people will find a thing or two they actually like being sold) and how dominant those aspects are. Is it literally the only selling point? Is it the main point but not aggresively so, and well executed so that it can still be enjoyable? Is it just there because it can't hurt to also have a cute girl/boy for the fans but the focus of the series is still mostly on the story and character developments and whatnot? Once you're more experienced and open-minded towards the medium you'll realize that there can be good shows in all kinds of genres and adjust your criteria. Now I still had high expectations for Joker Game because if there's one thing I agree on is that Novel adaptions tend to have pretty solid chances of being something good (Tatami Galaxy, SSY, Uchouten Kazoku etc...) and because it's the kind of show I like (spies and stuff) but it's definitely not one of the only 5-10 (or however many fingers you have) shows of the year that had any potential just based on synopsis etc... That's a pretty narrow-minded opinion if you ask me and has little to do with being experienced. I see lots of casuals who also discard a lot of good shows based on superficial reasons before even giving them a try and trying to enjoy them for what they are. It's fair to say shows with cute girls or superpowers aren't for you, but saying your experience tells you those are bad is a different story. Also let me add that the main reason why people are disappointed by Joker Game is that it pretty much lacks any plot and is purely episodic. Given that context I didn't find the show bad, it had decent episodic spy stories and whatnot, but it could have definitely been much more exciting if it tied them into some kind of bigger and more interesting narrative. It wasn't the exciting and captivating ride through WWII that people hoped for but as an episodic show about the random stories of a bunch of spies it was solid enough. It's just that as someone who loves anime, I'm solely disappointed at the state of the industry. The first few LN adaptations actually are pretty good that it sets the direction for the industry. But once they started churning out light novels like machine, that's what imo takes away what is good in anime. Today we have hundreds of clones of the same LN formula. The problem with those LN containing essentially the same plot (Kirito protag + tsun girl + harem/everyone wants his D) is that it eventually leads to the anime industry adapting the same thing over and over again. Which is why we have things like Gakuen Toshi Asterisk, Saijaku Muhai no Bahamut, Hundred, all in the span of 3 seasons. That's 3 seasons with basically 3 of the same anime airing over and over again. Maybe I'm going overboard by proclaiming that the moment the show features cute girls, that means they are using it as a crutch to support the show's value. But the point is, if people continue to support the kind of actually hollow show like those, then the industry starts to get lazy and not try. Personally I have great hopes for Joker Game because it's a move in the right direction, where it's a show that tries to get people to like them without the reliance on moe and stuff. I'm not that narrow to the point that I'd instantly dismiss shows such as Fate/Kaleid because it's a cute girls doing magical girl stuff. Personally I enjoy High School DxD a lot because it's one of the few series that actually tries to twist things around. I just don't like it when they succeed without trying and then cast a shadow over actual effort. Like one of my current problem with people is the way they over exaggerate how good Re:Zero is when it's not even done airing and objectively Re:Zero is just a decent show. I blame that series a lot just like how I blame Sword Art Online, because when this kind of "half-assed" series becomes too successful, others would try to imitate it and as a result, we won't see a masterpiece like Evangelion, not for another 15 years. It's just the same as how I am not fond of Railgun because it's success is keeping another season of Index from happening. I'm just the kind of guy who enjoys any anime, but as time passes, slowly but surely I can see that excellent shows just don't happen anymore. Mediocrity is slowly but surely taking over the industry. I just found it naive how you only focused on male-targeted 'additives'. It's just not realistic to see male characters as non-selling points in that regard. And once you accept that it's easy to see that literally anything can be seen as relying on clutches to appeal to a certain audience. Just that it's not only horny otaku, but also fujoshi and whatnot. IF you're gonna rant about marketing like that than at least don't have any double standards. I mean Cheer Danshi also has all males and noe cute moe girls, would you say that makes it a show independent from any fanservice appeals that proudly tries to stand on its own merits? If not then why can you conclude the same about Joker Game just because it has no girls on the cover? The point is I don't think you can. That also includes your comment about 'shounen superpowers' which firstly is incredibly vague and secondly not really anything specifically fanservicy. To me it sounds purely like a personal preference you don't like to see. There are dozens of different types of shows with superpowers like that, those season magical highschool LN harems are just one particularly bad example. Stuff like that made it sound to me like you were just ranting, mostly talking about your preferences and wishes and not really about any actual problems with the medium. When you get down to it the shitty LN magical school battle harems you were talking about (and yes I agree they are mostly shitty and extremely generic) don't make up a very large portion of the overall output of anime. 1-3 shows a season maybe, out of 30-40. Only once you start grouping different kind of shows together (like Harem LNs and moe slice-of-life shows who people like to pair together despite being totally different kind of shows) does it feel like half of every season is 'the same'. But to me there is a big difference between a Harem ecchi LN, a workplace s-o-l, a shoujo romance, a moe slice of life show with cute girls, a comedy with cute girls, a mahou shoujo and whatnot. But of course if you group all of these shows together because they all are likely to have one or more cute girls on the cover, then it would make Joker Game seem very special. But my point was that grouping all these shows together doesn't make sense to me based on experience. I know I can't stand those ecchi harem LNs a la Asterisk or Hundred and I also know I'm not a fan of mahou shoujo but I know from experience that good comedy, relaxing slice of life or enjoyable romances can all exist even with cute girls in the main cast. I think a lot of these differentiations are lost on people who pretend that every show is more or less the same just based on a cute girl being on the cover or similarly superficial judgments. To me it doesn't matter if the character designs are supposed to appeal to male otaku or fujoshi as long as the romance/slice-of-life/sports/drama/comedy/whatever else is the main focus of the show aspects are well done. Designs are just designs. That's why I can only shake my head when I hear people say that 'everything is the same these days'. I've been looking at every single seasonal show for years now and I just know that isn't the case. There are maybe 1-3 ecchi harems per season and 1-3 moe slice of life shows, but these two groups are already as different as can be and even combined they only make up maybe 15-20% of shows each season. Instead of seeing one type of show with 15-20 each season I see lot of different types of shows that all get 1-3 shows per season. I've been hating these ecchi harem LNs for most of my anime life but I never got the impression that anime was on a decline or anything dramatic like that just because we get them every season. There's tons of others stuff we also get each season. The only reason this particular type of show gets so much attention is because those shows tend to be popular in the western (casual) anime fandom. But in many cases they aren't even particularly successful in Japan and the popularity can make those shows seem more prominent than they actually are because lots of people will talk about them. But in reality their output has been steady for the longest time, as has their success. And since you mentioned SAO and the isekai shows, I put those in another category yet. They are usually not ecchi and even the romance or potential harem elements aren't nearly as prominent as in the battle school harem LNs. The isekai theme itself has potential and a history behind it and this newest resurgence gave us some interesting innovations and surprising variety in terms of how to execute an isekai premise. Personally even though I was very disappointed by SAO I still appreciated the resurgence of that kind of story since I ended up quite enjoying both Log Horizon and Grimgar for their different approaches. LH was very cerebral, Grimgar was very emotional and intense, both were pretty far removed from the harem antics of SAO but still most likely wouldn't have gotten anime adaptions without the success of SAO. So even a bad series can spawn good successors. So yeah, when all is said despite disliking a lot of the same shows I just can't share these 'anime is going down the drain' sentiments. There are still a lot of good shows each year and a solid number of great ones in most years. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| I don't think its possible to be a "veteran" anime watcher, if anything calling yourself that makes you look kind of pretentious IMO. |
| I'm nowhere near a veteran, that's for sure ¯\_(ใ)_/¯ |
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| Why are you being bothered with this? Veteran or fagteran ur still a weeb no matter what. |
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| Not sure. I just know that excluding any OVA,specials, or movies as well anything that has more than one season (I don't count a second season as a different series) I feel like I haven't seen as much as it looks like I have. |
| Watched over 700 Titles! Maybe 1000+ is veteran |
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| I consider anyone with under 500 completed to be new to anime, personally. I guess the 1000 mark is where I'd say someone is a "veteran", so to speak. People in this thread greatly underestimate how many anime there are. 200 is nothing. You can watch that in less than a year. |
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| I definitely consider myself a veteran. At any given moment I can refer to my mental library of past shows for reference and comparison. I've been consciously watching anime since Sailor Moon aired on TV and released on VHS. That said, I like anime way too much to consider myself an elitist. It's important to consider how many anime one can actually remember and speak about. I'm pretty confident I can do that for all 500+ anime on my list. |
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| legit lol at some of the people here who have over 500 entries and don't consider themselves a veteran. Some high ass standards. If you have seen over 150-200 franchises then you are a veteran. |
| you sound poor |
| I don't really know, For me a veteran wouldn't be a person that has just watched the most anime. For me an anime veteran is somebody that has watched a lot of anime + has stayed on the anime community for a long time and has sticked to it. For example somebody that has been constantly watching anime since some decades ago and so. Becuase it's easy to watch a lot of it, but not to stick around to see it change or grow with it. |
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| I have 150+ or more anime i consider myself a veteran cuz when misty recommends an anime veteran i seem to enjoy it and i think its also how you can describe and compare anime from ur experience. |
The disappearance of Nagato Yuki? More like the disappearance of not best girl. |
| Don't know why anyone would want to consider themselves as veterans of anime. But anyway, considering how much anime is poured out nowadays along with how much already exist, I'd personally say something like: 1000+ completed, +50% of which are TV series, a large variety of both old and new with lotsa genres mixed in... or something. Ah, and knowledgeable about the anime they talk about, of course, thoguh that's a given |
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fen_509 said: i believe you can call yourself a veteran when you've watched atlas 200+ or so anime, and that you can almost figure out what might happen next in the episodes. While it's true that after 200 watched TV series, you can often predict entire dialogues and events, but that's far from being veteran-tier. As someone mentioned earlier, you can easily watch 200 anime in 2 years if you have enough free time. A veteran would be someone who has suffered trough endless piles of moetrash and who has seen most of the good anime and recognizes a studio just by artstyle alone. I think most of us here still have a long way to go. |
| You need to watch like 800 anime. I've been watching stuff for years, but I'm still not a veteran. Maybe cause I'm slow. |
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| When you have watched so much that you become numb to the emotional side of anime and start concentrating on looking for the errors the animators made, then you are a veteran, JK I think any number can make you a veteran, I think it depends on how long has it taken you to watch the amount of anime you've watched, If your doing over 20+ episodes per week or 200+ episodes per week like me, I think thats were the "veteranism" is....Just saying |
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| lel wouldnt consider myself a veteran by your def but to me, it really depends on the variety you watch and how many tropes and archetypes you recognise; as well as how long youve been watching ofc |
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| isn't being a "veteran" usually associated with how much time ago did they start? or were you looking for a different word? like "expert of animes" |
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| Gonna say 500. Just because 1000 might not be obtainable and by then you'll of seen it all (because a lot of us drop a lot of sht) |
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| Wow I'm really surprised to see so many people say 200+, like whaaaat, 200 is nothing. O.o |
| Maybe about 50 series completed would be enough. |
| You must at least watch 1000 anime to be considered an anime veteran. |
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