| I know many people have discussed about this topic but my question is different I want to know why Vegans don't consider plants as living beings? Plants also feel pain According to researchers at the Institute for Applied Physics at the University of Bonn in Germany, plants release gases that are the equivalent of crying out in pain. There's also evidence that plants can hear themselves being eaten. Researchers at the University of Missouri-Columbia found that plants understand and respond to chewing sounds made by caterpillars that are dining on them. As soon as the plants hear the noises, they respond with several defense mechanisms The name of the scientist who worked on this is Heidi Appel He is a senior research scientist in the Division of Plant Sciences in the College of Agriculture, Food and Natural Resources and the Bond Life Sciences Center at MU: http://gizmodo.com/nice-try-vegans-plants-can-actually-hear-themselves-b-1599749162 http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/botany/plants-feel-pain.htm And what pisses me off the most is when some Vegans call us murderers for eating animals I mean this is the 21st century, scientists have already confirmed that plants feel pain so WHY DO VEGANS TURN A BLIND EYE TO THAT? If anyone of you is a Vegan then answer that question and please don't say stuff like "plants do not feel pain" I mean look at these Vegans for example:- Sorsha She compares killing animals to raping woman and slaving black people According to her Pewdiepie is a bad person because he is not a vegan Vegan gains He threatens people who are not Vegan and according to him animal lives are more precious than human lives I mean I got no problem with normal Vegans but these type of Vegans annoy me and they think that plants do not feel pain What do you guys think about it? Why do Vegans blissfully turn a blind eye to the truth and say stuff like "Plants do not feel pain" or "they are not living"? |
swirlydragonApr 22, 2017 12:33 AM
| Vegans are idiots. |
 One man is no more than another, if he do no more than what another does. |
Cause they keep on calling us murderers and say stuff like "plants do not feel pain" when in reality they do (it is scientifically proven). It pisses me off when they say that >.< |
| -probably because of all the bias things happening in the media? |
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| There are idiots in every community. Being a vegan isn't about projecting your insecure desire to look like a saint onto others, though that's kind of the trend. Not everyone is like that though. |
swirlydragon said: Cause they keep on calling us murderers and say stuff like "plants do not feel pain" when in reality they do (it is scientifically proven). It pisses me off when they say that >.< Someone calls you a murderer and you are not, just ignore them. |
| One man is no more than another, if he do no more than what another does. |
AxBattler said: swirlydragon said: I know many people have discussed about this topic but my question is different [...] Plants also feel pain https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-83446,00.html 1. The question can found in other threads in other threads discussing the topic. 2. So the source your statement "plants also feel pain" is some random guy online claiming that there are a number of studies that plants feel pain without citation? Can't you find a slightly more credible source than that? Surely Goolging "Plants feel pain" would net you something a little better than that? Though of course, it would also require you to gloss over the counter-arguments to it. As far as I know, it is highly disputed. I eat meat (and fruits, and vegetables), I wear animal products (wool), and I make no excuse for it. If someone wants an explanation, I will give it, but if someone wants to condemn me, I won't bother responding. IF I wanted to defend my choices though, I would try a little harder than citing some random guy online. For all the criticism of Wikipedia (that it can be edited by just about anyone), at least you can verify the source. According to researchers at the Institute for Applied Physics at the University of Bonn in Germany, plants release gases that are the equivalent of crying out in pain. There's also evidence that plants can hear themselves being eaten. Researchers at the University of Missouri-Columbia found that plants understand and respond to chewing sounds made by caterpillars that are dining on them. As soon as the plants hear the noises, they respond with several defense mechanisms The name of the scientist who worked on this is Heidi Appel He is a senior research scientist in the Division of Plant Sciences in the College of Agriculture, Food and Natural Resources and the Bond Life Sciences Center at MU: http://gizmodo.com/nice-try-vegans-plants-can-actually-hear-themselves-b-1599749162 http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/botany/plants-feel-pain.htm |
| Basically they aren't the same type of living that we or animals are so they don't care because they are stupid and close-minded and most are in the bandwagon because they were in dire need of personality traits. |
| Humans are at the top of the food chain, so why would you give up that position? Animals always killed animals, they have to do that in order to surive so I don't see any point in not eating meat. You could argue about how the animals are being killed, but that's another story. I could understand them a bit if they would argue with some logic and common sense, but to renounce on something completely is not the way to go. |
LabelFlash said: Cirno9 said: Humans are at the top of the food chain, so why would you give up that position? Animals always killed animals, they have to do that in order to surive so I don't see any point in not eating meat. You could argue about how the animals are being killed, but that's another story. I could understand them a bit if they would argue with some logic and common sense, but to renounce on something completely is not the way to go. We continue to eat animals (after a certain age) for one reason, flavoring. There is no logical reason in torturing and then eating animals in the modern world. Just because we're "on the top of the food chain" doesn't give us the right to ruin the (usually short, and painful) lives of animals below us. As for the opening post, so silly. Plants are just working communally to evolve by sending out signals to other plants in the same area. Many Animals, on the other hand, have the brain power to notice that they are in a state of discomfort. If we take the vegan approach we see animals being given sentience, they live in horrible conditions, and then they are killed usually in a horrific fashion. If you want to believe plant "pain" and animal pain are the same thing, you're simply deluding yourself. Did you know that almost every hunter in the animal world picks the target that is easy to kill? That's how things work fam. And you can always buy meat from animals that lived a good life. Not every chicken is living in a shed without room to move... |
Im going to leave this here. Difference in intelligence probably. |
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| I wonder if eating a vegan is considered vegan. |
| @LabelFlash @AxBattler @shotz So you people know more than Heidi Appel, huh? Heidi Appel is a senior research scientist in the Division of Plant Sciences in the College of Agriculture, Food and Natural Resources and the Bond Life Sciences Center at MU. He was the one who proved that plants feel pain, they also cry and they even try to protect themselves and yet you are saying he is wrong because plants do not have CNS? Plants do not have CNS because their body structure is different but that doesn't mean they CAN'T FEEL PAIN Let me ask you one thing, since people like you know so much about plants THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT PUBLISHING YOUR THEORIES OR RESULTS? Who knows, you might win a nobel prize because of it pfft Btw this is a video that demonstrates that plants really do feel pain:- |
swirlydragonApr 11, 2017 3:39 AM
| Plants do not feel pain, they do not have a central nervous system...like seriously...how can you be this stupid? |
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| @Bobby2Hands @Darek PLANTS CRY TOO! AT LEAST READ MY POST BEFORE REPLYING Heidi Appel is a senior research scientist in the Division of Plant Sciences in the College of Agriculture, Food and Natural Resources and the Bond Life Sciences Center at MU. He was the one who proved that plants feel pain, they also cry and they even try to protect themselves and yet you are saying he is wrong because plants do not have CNS? Plants do not have CNS because their body structure is different but that doesn't mean they CAN'T FEEL PAIN Let me ask you one thing, since people like you know so much about plants THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT PUBLISHING YOUR THEORIES OR RESULTS? Who knows, you might win a nobel prize because of it pfft Btw this is a video that demonstrates that plants really do feel pain:- |
swirlydragon said: WHY ARE YOU NOT PUBLISHING YOUR THEORIES OR RESULTS? Who knows, you might win a nobel prize because of it pfft Because I'm not a botanist. And I don't think anyone is going to win a Nobel prize for demonstrating that plants do not feel pain, because you know....that's already an established fact. |
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Bobby2Hands said: swirlydragon said: WHY ARE YOU NOT PUBLISHING YOUR THEORIES OR RESULTS? Who knows, you might win a nobel prize because of it pfft Because I'm not a botanist. And I don't think anyone is going to win a Nobel prize for demonstrating that plants do not feel pain, because you know....that's already an established fact. So are you telling me that Heidi Appel and the video illustrated above are false? |
swirlydragon said: Bobby2Hands said: Because I'm not a botanist. And I don't think anyone is going to win a Nobel prize for demonstrating that plants do not feel pain, because you know....that's already an established fact. So are you telling me that Heidi Appel and the video illustrated above are false? No, I'm saying that you misunderstand what the video is saying. Reacting to physical stimuli is not the same thing as feeling pain. Plants react to light stimuli as well, they grow towards light sources. But this does not mean that plants can see, it just means that they are reacting to stimuli. Do you see the difference? |
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| @Darek @Bobby2Hands Let's say I agree with you on that (though I don't) then how do you explain this? According to researchers at the Institute for Applied Physics at the University of Bonn in Germany, plants release gases that are the equivalent of crying out in pain. Link is provided in my post FFS this is 21st century, we don't need to see plants shouting to understand that they feel pain |
Darek said: Them releasing such gases does not mean they feel pain, sorry... And what about this? Is this false too? There's also evidence that plants can hear themselves being eaten. Researchers at the University of Missouri-Columbia found that plants understand and respond to chewing sounds made by caterpillars that are dining on them. As soon as the plants hear the noises, they respond with several defense mechanisms As I said, this is 21st century, we don't need to see plants shouting to understand that they feel pain. Those scientists did countless experiments. It's not like they made up all of it |
| because plants cannot feel pain, they don't have a nervous system. smh |
| The afternoon has gently passed me by The evening spreads its sail against the sky Waiting for tomorrow Just another day God bid yesterday goodbye... |
| So what should I eat now if everything is feeling pain? Rocks? |
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Ramkec said: So what should I eat now if everything is feeling pain? Rocks? Hahahahahaha That made me laugh lol Eat whatever you want dude I was just talking about some Vegans who are hypocrites since they think that only non-vegans are murderers |
| Sigh, you know the act of eating meat in itself is not the main issue, if for w/e reason i somehow land on a deserted island and there is a chicken walking around and i have nothing else to eat, yeah i would kill it and eat it, because you have the right to survive. However we are not trying to survive here we are long past that, the fact is we are fucking mass murdering and torturing milions of animals just for the taste and comfort and sry but saying that we have always done this is so stupid, we used to neglect hygiene and having slaves was a common thing, it's not because we "used to" that it doesen't need to change. It's proven that our body is made for a plant based diet, look at our teeth for example. Thing is many things that we are told are just lies, take milk for example we always have been taught that it's healthy, truth is it's not recent studies have shown that countrys that use most milk products on average have the most people with bone problems. Yes milk contains calcium however our body can't absorb those calciums and are instead damaging to the bones. You can say that you have drunk milk your whole life and have no problems but there are people who smoked their entire life and have no problems doesen't mean it isen't healthy. And no plants don't feel pain, they don't have a brain/consciousness/nervous system. Also since you like to share vids here is one: |
EffulgenceApr 11, 2017 7:03 AM
| Plants aren't in cute memes like animals are so it doesn't matter. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| If you've seen Bearing's 39 minute video, Vegan Gains doesn't care about animals either, he nearly starved a wolfhound to death by feeding it a vegan diet, when what it really needed was a steak and some normal dog food. |
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| Plants are masochists that enjoy the pain, though. I learned this from reading some interesting batman x poison ivy fan fiction. |
| Lol even mythbusters tested it , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fStmk7e9lJo Plants feel pain. If we can't at any , becuase they both feel pain why not eat both? Seems pretty logical to me, we have to eat. |
| Near is far superior to you! |
Rinar said: Basically they aren't the same type of living that we or animals are so they don't care because they are stupid and close-minded and most are in the bandwagon because they were in dire need of personality traits. Yeah, I agree. I don't know what I was thinking before. Starting today, I'm going to eat humanely raised humans too. It's not nice to discriminate after all. |
| The articles in the OP are a great look at how terrible "science" journalism is. |
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| You could be Vegan for personal health reasons too... |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
Natasha said: Rinar said: Basically they aren't the same type of living that we or animals are so they don't care because they are stupid and close-minded and most are in the bandwagon because they were in dire need of personality traits. Yeah, I agree. I don't know what I was thinking before. Starting today, I'm going to eat humanely raised humans too. It's not nice to discriminate after all. You don't really need to raise humans though since other humans already do it for you. |
| Non-vegans always wonder why they get laughed at, and really this thread is a perfect example. No matter the reasoning or logic, they always find a way to justify torturing, killing and eating animals. Just fyi btw, animal meat is pretty shitty for your health anyway, lmao.  |
| Vegans won't care, they're too busy flashing their imaginary vegan superiority |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
LabelFlash said: Non-vegans always wonder why they get laughed at, and really this thread is a perfect example. No matter the reasoning or logic, they always find a way to justify torturing, killing and eating animals. Just fyi btw, animal meat is pretty shitty for your health anyway, lmao. It's not somthing to be laughed at tbh, i've not been vegan my entire life and i don't laugh when i see a non vegan defend himself for his lfestyle it's only natural to defend it. I used to have many discussions with my best friend and i always tried to see his point of view and think why he thought the way he did, because i've been there myself, and after many discussions and docu suggestions he became a vegetarian ( i have still my hopes that he becomes vegan 100% someday :p) My point is you should never feel "higher" then someone else because you are vegan, that's just your ego taking over. Rather share what you know and don't expect that every one will listen, those who are ready to change will. |
Comic_Sans said: Vegans won't care, they're too busy flashing their imaginary vegan superiority Sadly there is a kind of truth to that, seems like some people are vegan because somehow it makes them feel superior, but that's not what being vegan is about. |
Effulgence said: I don't care about vegans that don't shove their diet down my throat, I am totally fine with them. It's the ones that feel the need to tell me all about it 25/7 because they think them being a vegan makes them a superior human being that bother me.Sadly there is a kind of truth to that, seems like some people are vegan because somehow it makes them feel superior, but that's not what being vegan is about. |
Comic_SansApr 11, 2017 1:56 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
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