Yuri!!! on Ice Episode 10 Discussion

ssmith14377 said:

Yeah that all makes sense. But Why does Victor act differently towards Yurio than with Yuri. Victor is actually a very a very interesting guy and more manly and complex than originally thought. That's why I wanted to hear him narrate. And it is interesting to see how he wants more than just gold medals and to be on the ice. But does he really I mean really have romantic or sexual feelings towards Yuri and does Yuri actually love him too. Cuz Yuri said that he bought them just for gifts and that he just wants Victor to be Victor. IMO they won't get married or anything and I think Yuri will not win gold it would take a miracle for him to win the gold. I just want to know why Victor grabbed Yurio'a face like that and gave him that smile. Maybe I'm reading to much into things but I think there's a lot more to Victor that we don't know. So I am reallly hoping for a season 2 and more episodes about Victor. I mean he is like the second main character. Overall great show.

Mirorin said:
The episode was a little off-key in mood here and there, but I guess with this I'm much more convinced they're official as a couple. Sexual or platonic love, I lean towards the latter.

They met at the banquet though? Guess Victor lost that dance battle lol.

I fking love Phichit. Just sayin', this damn selfie-taking cutie.

ssmith14377 said:


I know me to. I mean Victurri is great but why did Victor get so close to Yurio. I mean Victor is 10 years older than him but who knows I hope they touch on that more. I think they will because they made a very smart and creative episode and it linked other episodes together and tied some loose ends but also kept some open. I feel the creative team for this show is good and I expect more great things to come. And So I hope there is a season two because I have a feeling that Yuri won't win gold. I mean look at the next preview Victor was back with his poodle and looked gloomy. So will Victor compete again and will he compete against Yuri and Yurio or is Victurri a real thing. I wanted to hear Victors perspective so I'm so happy that they did his narration. I hope they do an ova on just Victor as a skater and what he really wants to do with his life. Oh man the feels

ssmith14377 said:


Yeah that all makes sense. But Why does Victor act differently towards Yurio than with Yuri. Victor is actually a very a very interesting guy and more manly and complex than originally thought. That's why I wanted to hear him narrate. And it is interesting to see how he wants more than just gold medals and to be on the ice. But does he really I mean really have romantic or sexual feelings towards Yuri and does Yuri actually love him too. Cuz Yuri said that he bought them just for gifts and that he just wants Victor to be Victor. IMO they won't get married or anything and I think Yuri will not win gold it would take a miracle for him to win the gold. I just want to know why Victor grabbed Yurio'a face like that and gave him that smile. Maybe I'm reading to much into things but I think there's a lot more to Victor that we don't know. So I am reallly hoping for a season 2 and more episodes about Victor. I mean he is like the second main character. Overall great show.

kono_baka said:
Do you guys want them to make out right in front of your eyes??

Jonouchi-Katsuya said:


No you aren't. I was reluctant to believe it would happen though until episode 3 though. Mostly because I have been fooled so many times.

ilver said:
I need to hear more discussion and theories about the Yurio and Victor scene!! I'm so curious about that one. I have my own little theory, but still confused and not sure what to think, and nobody else seems to be thinking what I'm thinking. Can't wait for the last two episodes to tell me more about Yurio especially, he's my favourite and his motives are such a mystery...

Like many have said, the reason for his anger might be because Victor is quitting... but I recently watched some early episodes, and (correct me if I'm wrong) Yurio kind of acted like he wouldn't care if Victor quit. I remember him saying he wished to get Victor's coreography for himself if Victor retired. How would Victor even compete if he was coaching Yurio, anyway?... Well, maybe he was only thinking Victor was taking some time off instead of completely retiring, idk. But he also denied wanting to compete against Victor in ep 10. Could be lying, but he didn't really seem like that to me...

And for my theory, I'm thinking Yurio might be having feelings... for the other Yuri. Wouldn't that be a plot twist? Came to my mind when Yurio was walking away from Victor and Victor thought, "Yuri, you might not realise this, but many others besides me got their L words (life and love) from you". With that, did he mean Yurio? I also think it's cute how both Yurio and Victor are reminded of Hasetsu when looking at the sea. (Was Hasetsu the place where Yuri lives and all three were together? I can't remember)
If my theory is true, the reason for his anger of Victor and Yuri's relationship could be explained with jealousy. Opinions? Sorry for such a long comment.

ilver said:
I need to hear more discussion and theories about the Yurio and Victor scene!! I'm so curious about that one. I have my own little theory, but still confused and not sure what to think, and nobody else seems to be thinking what I'm thinking. Can't wait for the last two episodes to tell me more about Yurio especially, he's my favourite and his motives are such a mystery...

ssmith14377 said:


Yeah that all makes sense. But Why does Victor act differently towards Yurio than with Yuri. Victor is actually a very a very interesting guy and more manly and complex than originally thought. That's why I wanted to hear him narrate. And it is interesting to see how he wants more than just gold medals and to be on the ice. But does he really I mean really have romantic or sexual feelings towards Yuri and does Yuri actually love him too. Cuz Yuri said that he bought them just for gifts and that he just wants Victor to be Victor. IMO they won't get married or anything and I think Yuri will not win gold it would take a miracle for him to win the gold. I just want to know why Victor grabbed Yurio'a face like that and gave him that smile. Maybe I'm reading to much into things but I think there's a lot more to Victor that we don't know. So I am reallly hoping for a season 2 and more episodes about Victor. I mean he is like the second main character. Overall great show.

SleepyPancakes said:


In that particular scene, I feel that Victor saw a bit of his old self in Yurio. He understands Yurio's desire to win and compete, but at the same time, he knows that if he explains why he chose to coach Yuri or to leave Yurio will not accept his reasoning (for life and love). Yurio is young and has no thoughts on life and love at the moment. Victor does not appreciate Yurio degrading his student and grabs him out of impulse, but knowing Yurio won't accept his explanation, he just ponders at him with a bittersweet look. Something along the lines of "Oh you young Padawan, you will understand (life, love) one day. I understand your thirst to win but no need for such petty words." Honestly, Victor had such emotionally maturity and physical control in that scene that I cannot even. I would've slapped Yurio and all hell let loose if I were in his shoes.

Yurio's frustration is understandable. Yurio hates loosing and that personal competition with Yuri deeply wounded his pride. With Victor as his coach, he would of undeniably excelled further than Yuri. To Yurio, Victor has lost his privileges as an ice skater (for not retiring honorably) therefore Yurio doesn't treat him with the respect he did prior to Victor coaching Yuri.

Note: When Yurio kicks him in the back and says Victor Nikiforov is dead, I think it was a metaphor for Victor Nikiforov, the ice skater (RIP to his ice skating career). In addition, with Yurio lighthearted compliment on the scenery, it shows that Yurio finally accepts Victor's decision to stay off the ice (though he still doesn't understand why) and that he will not bring it up anymore.

Though Yurio is a very hot-tempered teenager, I'm surprised he is a very forgiving person. (He gave Yuri his precious pirozhkis, didn't hold it against Victor that he forgot his promise to choreograph for him, and lets Victor do as he pleases with him though he still complains about it from time to time).

As for Victor treating Yurio differently than Yuri, I don't think Victor ever treated Yurio with any malice. Victor and Yurio have been under the same coach for awhile now and I think they had plenty of opportunities to get to know each other. Their relationship had been a friendly, yet professional one. However, Victor's only introduction to Yuri before arriving in Japan was his striptease at the banquet. Ultimately, Victor gives more attention to Yuri because he, is first and foremost, his coach and second, because of curiosity (he's still trying to get to know Yuri better). You have to admit Yuri wasn't the type to open up to someone immediately and it took a lot of effort for Victor to get Yuri to do so. In regards to their relationship, I like how the anime keeps it open for interpretation. So let people believe what they believe, there is no harm in differing opinions...well that is until you hold it against someone. As for me, I don't mind it swinging either way.

Angelbeam19 said:

The smile Victor gave Yurio was a mocking smile, he was also trying to hide his anger. Please stop reading too much into it, Victor could barely hold himself back from kicking Yurio's sour little ass. Victor LOVES Yuuri. How in the world isn't that clear? The reason he left to be his coach it's because he fell in love with him at the banquet

amayih said:



Victor said loud and clear that he is in love with Yuuri!
He said (ep10 beach ep4 flashback): "Yuuri gave me Life and Love, to me who never fell in love before, he gave me a brand new world".

(from here it's "I THINK..." of course)

As for Yuuri. The "gift" or the "lucky charm" thing... just by looking how nervous he was when he found the jewelry, it's more than obvious than he knew waht he was going to do! Seriously, he bought " wedding rings" not just rings! He was nervous all the time!
And he asked Victor (we didn't saw that part, but it's obvious) to do the exchange ring, in front of the Sagrada Familia, at the ring finger!!!!!!!
Victor was very surprised, looking at his hand all the time until the "it's a luck charm" and then looked at Yuuri's nervous and embarassed red face. And said something like "ok, we don't need to think about it, let's do it like it was a lucky charm" and took Yuuri's right hand (look at Yuuri's left hand trembling slightly) and did the same.
Yuuri's was really wild with the rings exchange! He probably still think that Victor will leave him soon but that ring is something he can keep all his life, and it's Victor who gave him (even if it's Yuuri who actually bought it)
Yuuri is in love with Victor, but probably somehow still in denial (maybe to protect himself if/when Victor will leave him/be back to Russia).
But Victor saying that it's an engagement ring, and that the mariage will be after the gold medal may impact Yuuri a lot! Since Victor have a total faith in Yuuri winning the GPF. Basically, Victor said to Yuuri that he want stay with him. (He used "ne Yuuri?" (isn't it Yuuri?) at the end, who is mostly used when you already know the other person is agreed with you)

Victor said that Yuuri gave him Life, I think it was really want he wanted to say. Victor (before coming ot Hasetsu) never look happy! His smiles and winks always looked forced. Even in his appartement (ep1) he was in his sofa in the dark part of his appartment and the sunlinght didn't come to him. That's subjective, but it looks like he was very depressive. During his dance with Yuuri at the party, he looks so happy (and Yuuri also).
So Yuuri really give him Life and Love!

I guess the preview about Victor is Victor being so alone, before coming to Hasetsu, probably between the party and Yuuri's "Hanarezu ni soba ni ite" dance.
And the preview about Yurio may be when he watch Yuuri's new "Eros".


As for Yurio, I absolutely don't understand this stupid kid! I can explain some part in each episode, but nothing in a whole.
Do he like or hate Victor? Yuuri? Victor/Yuuri as a couple?
At the end of ep9, it seems that he accepted Victor/Yuuri relation (love or coach ?no sure about it) because he was conforting Yuuri (and gave him russian katsudon) saying he couldn't do his best because Victor was not with him.
But in ep10, he speaks very bad about Yuuri (even if I know he speaks very bad about Yuuri mostly when Victor is around)
I think Victor is like a brother (and his idol even if he don't want to accept it, he didn't reject it in ep2). We know now that he arrive in Saint Petersburgh at 10 and he was very alone, but Victor was here, so they were together for 5 years already. He probably hates Victor for leaving him without saying anything (and as it was said before, almost ending (not official yet) his carreer.

But Yurio seems to change his mind every episode, and that is not even a tsundere level!
He looked sad watching Victor/Yuuri's joyce at ep8, but very angry after the kiss on the shoes (and on the lips also, but that part may be because Victor said that Yuuri will win in Russia)
So Yurio is a great mystery to me!


I have been shipping VictorYuuri from the beginning, and was sure about their mutual love at ep4 (with a short period of doubt at the end of ep9)

[EDIT] I want to see other's reaction about the rings! Mostly Yakow, Mickey and Sala! I guess Michele would be very happy about it ^o^ (and it may give ideas to Emil also!). But also Minami-kun, Leo, Guang-Hong and of course Yuuri's parents.

Jotakak said:
I can't believe there are still people trying to deny their romantic relationship.

Victor and Yuri are in love.

They love each other.

They kissed.

They're engaged.

DO LGB+ CHARACTERS HAVE TO HAVE SEX ON SCREEN FOR PEOPLE TO GET IT THROUGH THEIR THICK SKULLS?

Idiots aside, I love this anime so much. I honestly thought it'd just be queerbait at first but I have never been so happily surprised in my life. Hopefully since Yuri on Ice!! is getting good ratings that other anime will follow its lead and stop with queerbaiting too.

CarrotSaysYum said:


I personally think Yurio's behaviour stems from a selfishness to be the best and have Victor teach him. I mean, technically Yurio is sort of seen as the "next Victor" to the people of Russia. He has a fan club, won big in the junior division and people were saying he would be the next big champion.

I think Yurio somehow got in his head that if/when Victor retired he would train him and help him become the best of the best. I feel Yurio almost felt entitled to that. Victor promised him a routine, but it's obvious from his demanded prize at the first skate-off ("Come back to Russia and be my coach") that Yurio wanted more, almost expected that the great Victor would pass on his knowledge to the next best candidate (him).

But then Victor flies off to coach Yuri instead and I think that made Yurio lose it and become super jealous. He probably didn't understand why Victor would throw everything into a skater Yurio saw as sub-par compared to himself. I really think that Yurio twisted his thoughts into a, "If I beat this pig, Victor will see that he was wrong to train him instead of me and will come back to Russia after the Grand Prix and train me like he was always meant to". But then Victor changes and Yurio starts to doubt this idea. And then, the cherry on the cake, Victor shows everyone the rings, and I think Yurio knew then that Victor wasn't coming back, that he never planned to be his coach, and that he never stood a chance of getting what he wanted.

Enter the beach scene. Yurio finds Victor admiring his ring, claims that he's "dead" and insults Yuri for good measure. I think his line was basically saying, "You've disappointed me in every way possible, so I'm going to beat that person you gave up everything for to prove that you're an idiot for ever thinking it was a good idea." It's immature and very selfish, but Yurio's always kind of been that way and needs to learn a bit of humility, that everything isn't always going to go his way, and that just because you're the "best" at something that not everyone has to drop what they're doing to please you. It's why I'm hoping he doesn't place in these upcoming finals, but finds consolation in Yakov, Lilia, his friends and Otabek (whom I also don't think is going to place for the exact purpose of showing Yurio that winning isn't everything; rather, having passion and fun is far more important).

Just my take though.

dinokip said:

... actually yes.

Mirai-Nyan said:
So they were not really engaged,
I hyped for nothing lol
although I'm not Fujoshi but I'm really in love with yuuri victor's relationship <3

Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

Soooo... you are just going to believe those Chrunchy subtitles which have been notoriously mistranslating every instance where Yuri has said something ambiguous in an attempt to just soften people to him on his relationship with Victor? Regardless of imagery? And what the receipt said?

Rarietty said:
I feel like a lot of people are underestimating the conflict in Victor and Yuuri's relationship. Yuuri constantly has to justify his own actions because he doesn't want to get *too* close to Victor out of fear that he's aiming too high and that Victor only flirts with him to encourage him. He doesn't want to be left alone once he retires. All signs point to Yuuri loving Victor, but he still is confused about what romantic love feels like. The rings implied that he wants to go further, but he doesn't want to over-complicate his life, so he awkwardly rationalized the purchase.

Meanwhile, Victor is probably scared for very similar reasons. Since he has been pining for Yuuri since the banquet, and Yuuri often pushes him away, he probably feels like his feelings are one-sided too. He could feel like he is being used just so that Yuuri can improve his skating enough to win the GPF. I believe that Victor told Yuuri back in episode 9 that he doesn't want him to retire because, after that, Victor feels like he won't have a role in Yuuri's life anymore.

Basically, everything in canon has pointed to their feelings for each other being canon, but they aren't together yet like I've seen so many people assuming. They are just both very confused about how the other one feels due to Yuuri not remembering the banquet. Their relationship development is all out-of-sync because Victor became Yuuri's coach assuming that Yuuri was more familiar with him than he actually was.

Ianamus said:


I think he's simply angry at Yuri and Victors relationship because it made Victor forget his promise to choreograph a routine for him and made Victor travel to Japan to coach Yuri rather than continue guiding him.

We see early on that Victor does critique Yurios routines and likely guides him to some extent. But then at the banquet Yuri comes in, beats Yurio in a dance off and entrances Victor with, essentially, his sex appeal. Victor loses focus on his skating career, and ends up travelling to Japan without fulfilling his promises to Yurio.

Yurio travels to Japan to chase him up and here's where things take a turn for the worse for him. Not only does he lose in the exact same way (Victor is entranced by Yuri's sex appeal) but with what we learn at the end of episode 10 the entire competition could have been nothing more than Victor trying to bring out the Yuri at the banquet that swooned him, without really caring about Yurios presence at all. Look how desperate Yurio was to dance Eros- he knows exactly what will happen if Yuri skates that routine for Victor.

I found it interesting that Yurio actually bonded with Yuri only when Victor was no longer present. I think he's mainly angry at Victor. Angry at him for forgetting his promise, angry at him for being distracted by Yuri, and angry at him for what he potentially views as a farce at Ice skate Hatetsu that he never had a chance of winning due to Victors bias. I think he insulted Yuri to Victors face solely to get a rise out of him, and it seemed to work.

Trance said:
JJ's girlfriend though. She's literally the hottest female character I've seen (appearance-wise). Just...dayuuum.