SpookyGhosty said: Recently someone told me that "Good anime are alot less common these day than it used to be. I mean it seems like every other show is some moe slice of life sh*t! What happened to all the good anime?" after hearing this I said that they were wrong but then I looked over the last few years and while there has been alot of amazing shows there has been the fair amount of trash. I don't think that anime is getting worse by any means and I more or less just see this as a phase anime is going through. But hey who am I to say? Please explain your own thoughts down below. The thing is we've had something like 2 good shows every year for about ten years by now. There's some excellent stuff here and there but it's not going to compete with the old glories of both eastern and western cinema. People can live without the need for the anime industry to chaingun masterpieces but even then there's a general lack of maturity in the league of shows like sweetness&lightning and mushishi. Instead you get a lot of commercials for the source material or animes exploiting otaku stuff or the audience in general. For example I *love* action stuff like The Raid but when I think about dragonball every duel was 20 episodes of babbling "rararaaa gonna beat youuu, rarara bullshiiiit" and stuff. I absolutely hated as a kid and I have a very hard time with shonen stuff when every single drop of dumb fun is dragged on forever. You want an episode that ends leaving something inside you rather than some hook to what happens next. I don't know if it's getting even worse but you can see some timid reaction here and there so Idk put some faith into new 20/30 years old anime directors. |
| Everything's been rather unoriginal for a long time. Sometimes we will find an original anime, but not often. I think it's getting worse in that regard. |
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| Does people even remember we had stylish and simple stuff like Kaiba? It's 8-9 years old http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmXqQNKByVg shyyeeeet :'< |
| Animation and art is successively improving, feels like visual directing holds a higher standard than anime made last decade but maybe I'm just halo'd by high-res visuals. Writing is generally bad but I can't tell if it's actually getting worse. Of course there is an awful amount of pandering to various audiences as well as a severe lack of innovation in new titles. |
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| Worse, ruined by moe fans and mainstream shows, which, as guy who so far has mostly watched those knows are mostly bad. Its worse for the gaming industry. I mean, COD and BF cost $120 EVERY YEAR for similar games, then stuff like EA sports as a whole and Microtransactions, Payed online etc... |
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| If you, like me, are a kid born in the 90's you are a very lucky one as you witnessed the last days of good animes. In particular 90's animes such as cowboy bebop, evangelion, lain, utena and whatever popular thing I forgot aren't that great, when they are good they are excellent like no other anime, but they are also very flawed, what I'm trying to say is these shows are more like trailblazers and promises of much better shows which never popped up. Decades wise there are good, even masterful shows but sadly never classics because apparently anime directors can't or stop trying to achieve quality work for resons nobody knows. |
It's not getting better that's for sure.  -Mastergold |
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| Isn't there more anime released per season, so there'd be more anime. You could say that due to a higher anime demand, the studios don't have more time to distribute to the story/whatever department. Also, let's say that there are three masterpieces released every year. During the older times, that is 3/30-40 anime, so there's a 10% chance that the anime came out as a masterpiece. But now, it's 3/100+ anime which comes out to about 3%. So people feel like that there is more sub-par anime, which in turns means that there is less masterpieces, but in reality there's the same amount of good anime, just more variety of anime instead.Obviously, this is a really horrible model, so the real life situations doesn't quite match up to this. But it is a comparison nonetheless. |
| all those who say anime got worse are saying that because they see so many generic animes , the truth is , good animes are still being made it's just that there are generic animes alongside the good ones cause many people like generic stuff , and it somehow got more people into anime |
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| When it comes to masterpieces you could argue past anime had more to offer where now you cant see as many however there are definitely great anime still being made now so im going with neither, every year hss its ups and downs anyway. |
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 Mods really need to throw this question along with UO/OR and vs. threads as banned threads. |
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| It's getting worse because the future of Humanity is getting stupider. Watch Idiocracy movie if you want to know why the human race is getting more stupid in the future. |
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Lol... Don't blame it on the medium dude... Blame it on humanity that believes in he medium... |
_Ako_ said: Lol... Don't blame it on the medium dude... Blame it on humanity that believes in he medium... Not only that but Advanced Technology can damage your brain cells. |
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Akeno_Misaki said: _Ako_ said: Lol... Don't blame it on the medium dude... Blame it on humanity that believes in he medium... Not only that but Advanced Technology can damage your brain cells. Hey, blame the creator not the one who uses it... The creator thinks that his work is for good but humanity finds a way to do it for bad. Either way, shit happens... |
| While you are entitled to your feelings they don't make for a masterpiece. The tale of Genji is hundreds years old but it's more than just romance, it's not cliche, and it's amazingly written despite opinions. The cinema world simply pushes its limit more and every great film surpasses any anime because directors are willing to master its form. Anime directors do it too but give up at some point for no apparent reason. Like, at some point Satoshi Kon stopped making good movies and Paprika sucked. Hideaki Anno did the last two episodes of evangelion and came up with his montages, symbolism and inserts you see in KareKano and now in SHAFT works such as Ef- a tale of melodies and every monogatari but not Evangelion movies for reasons nobody knows instead going for action stuff that's not too exciting. Masaaki yuasa is great but he follows what a mangaka like Tayo Matsumoto does and never manages to pull the same stunts, Kemonozume and Kaiba also crash deep down in dumb as the series approach the endings despite having first halves which can still kick anyone's ass. Or, the guy behind cowboy bebop I forgot the name, I watched samurai champloo, space dandy and terror in resonance and I assure you they are all exercise in nostalgia. Terror in resonance in particular is a work belonging to a bandwagoning of japanese directors who basically stopped making serious works and instead have been busy for about 5-6 years into mocking otaku culture, but instead of making mature stuff like mushishi or sweetness&lightning they made incredibly dumb shows with great ideas. It's so weird to watch gatchaman because it's so different, it has all the cards to success without going for fanservice and endless shonen/sentai stuff and beach fillers, instead the characters act stupid and keep on patting each other.:l It's the sort of stuff we are getting but it's not like people need to turn into professors or anything. Nowadays animes strive to be social lubes more than art. It could be food, highschool life, jpop bands, titans and walls etcetcetc for every kind of "all we have is each other in this little land" story. Mostly what would be nice is having mature stuff arguing teenage stuff and loss in adult ways while being not interested into the highschool crush hook for the audience or any otaku thing. I'm telling you, sweetness&lightning is good;l and mushishi, and whatever I'm forgetting atm. |
FondenteSep 17, 2016 7:37 AM
| I think it's fair to say the industry as a whole has been getting worse when seasons are being littered with harem and moeblob shows, thus limiting the number of great shows per season. Comparing classics of each decade alone however, I would say the quality has been fairly consistent. |
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| the animation is getting better, so better... other than that, its the same xD although the moe blob increase is great, i don't really feel any other genre has "increased" i mean, fujobait clearly has, but that doesn't bother me, i can't say its worse just cause theres an increase in the type of anime i don't personally like |
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| There is more anime coming out nowadays than before and thus the market has become saturated. Creators are also being given less creative freedom than they were in the late 90s and early 00s, when auteurs like Hideaki Anno, Satoshi Kon, Shinichiro Watanabe, Kunihiko Ikuhara and Dai Sato reigned supreme, and studios are taking less risks and creating things that're guaranteed to sell. This is similar to Hollywood in some ways as there was something of an auteur culture in the 1970s as directors like Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola and Sydney Lumet were given carte blanche to do whatever they saw fit. Sadly this has changed as big Hollywood studios like to play it safe for the most part nowadays. Akeno_Misaki said: Watch Idiocracy movie if you want to know why the human race is getting more stupid in the future. That movie was terrifyingly accurate. |
LoveLikeBloodSep 17, 2016 4:17 AM
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| Honestly, I don't think it's a matter of getting better or worse, it's just about change. Anime is an art, and art is never the same. People are entitled to their own opinion, some can think of Van Gogh as a genius and others may say he was just a madman (or you can think both, it's not mutually exclusive). I, for one, love the oldschool masterpieces (see my profile pic) but equally like new anime like Death Parade, One Punch Man or Re:Zero. |
| Increase of stuff or not Cencoroll is something like 10 years old, there are tvseries directed as good as this 30 minutes thing if not more but there really isn't something as mature as this, no amount of onepunchman/sword of the stranger sakuga or whatever is called has beat this short in a decade. I watched the trailers when I was 17 and I'd still pay gold for a 20 episodes thing. It's janky in parts when it comes to storytelling in a way it feels too placid but other than that it's *good* with so many good images and cuts and shots and backgrounds it kicks 10 years of ass and it's from a single guy who did all the work.:l Well not in quality but in the effort:P |
FondenteSep 17, 2016 4:39 AM
| It's always been the same. Good anime exist, Bad anime exist. |
| Is....is it summer 2014 yet? ;_; |
| I'm going to vote neither, mostly because of the uncertainty of the normative claims being made in the question. What is good? What is bad? If the question were rephrased in such a way that it were asking for positive claims, then I would answer. CherryLover said: I think it's fair to say the industry as a whole has been getting worse when seasons are being littered with harem and moeblob shows, thus limiting the number of great shows per season. Comparing classics of each decade alone however, I would say the quality has been fairly consistent. >Implying harem/ecchi/moe isn't good And I fail to see how it "limits the number of great shows per seasons." I can understand that each studio can only produce a specific amount of shows per season, however advancements in technology have overall increased their output. With just a basic understanding of percentages, assuming the % of anime per season that are of quality remains consistent, we would effectively see an increase in the number of good shows per season over time. |
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| Much, much better long live harem and moe, the truest of anime, the way things were always meant to be |
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| 20 years ago, with the dawn of computerized animation, I was promised to see elaborated artworks (like those of Yuki Nobuteru) finally come to life without simplification on screens (and not for only a few seconds or as slide shows). As far as I see, people can goss over how beautifully animated modern computer-assisted animations are, I am sure this promise is still unfulfilled. That's why I can"t be glad to have traded cellulos for virtual sheets. Simple answer: neither. |
| Anime has always been bad, though it's still somehow getting worse. |
| For 90s kids animu r getting worse For 2000s kids, they donno wut animu epicness means XD Exceptions exist |
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EcchiLordMamster said: the animation is getting better, so better... other than that, its the same xD although the moe blob increase is great, i don't really feel any other genre has "increased" To sum it up, this thread can be sum-it like "Is 20XX better than 20XX" or something along those lines. Lisbon said: Much, much better long live harem and moe, the truest of anime, the way things were always meant to be SHHHH... Don't say it... Or the increased of users who will fap to (our) waifu will increase. Allenekoo said: For 90s kids animu r getting worse For 2000s kids, they donno wut animu epicness means XD Exceptions exist Nah dude... Some people can 'adapt" to the environment they are in. |
| Considering I watch less and less ongoing stuff I'm gonna have to say that it's worse. I feel that it has gotten more formulaic and safe. It doesn't help that as I get older and watch more stuff I get burned out more and more on various tropes and clichés. Don't get me wrong, there's still some stuff that's not even 5 years old that I really enjoyed, but they really feel like exceptions. 2000-20009 treated me very well, so far 2010-2016 has been pretty stingy. |
_Ako_ said: Allenekoo said: For 90s kids animu r getting worse For 2000s kids, they donno wut animu epicness means XD Exceptions exist Nah dude... Some people can 'adapt" to the environment they are in. Yes ofc, ppl r adapting to the new animu style, I'm so glad about the art, and sound effects, but most of the new animu r lacking the hood story part! Which is actually the most important part xD |
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nathanael87 said: It's not getting worse. It's mostly perspective bias. I remember looking for fansubs in 2003-2006 and I still remember watching about 3 currently airing anime per season and everything else being trash. If anything there's more now I would enjoy per season. Idk what aired in 2003 but wikipedia reports Kino's journey, texhnolyze, some all rightish stuff like wolf's rain and last exile, frigging Planetes and some full metal alchemist for the kiddos, a year overall more mature and varied than whatever I remember in the last couple of years, though there should be a couple of good animes per YEAR, not season, even now. I don't really see percentages or styles as arguments, we are just not getting enough good stuff atm.:l |
Allenekoo said: Yes ofc, ppl r adapting to the new animu style, I'm so glad about the art, and sound effects, but most of the new animu r lacking the hood story part! Which is actually the most important part xD i was born in 89 and i HATE when people say anime is "getting worse" |
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| Neither. I think as anime gets popular and more people get behind it, you can see newer and better things as well as a mandatory increase in audio / visual quality. There's also running out of new ideas, but if you watch a lot of older anime you start to realize that they aren't anymore deep or interesting compared to new stuff. There's a lot of bad anime right now. but there was also a lot of bad anime years ago, but nobody brings them up or remembers them. |
| I don't care. |
EcchiLordMamster said: Allenekoo said: Yes ofc, ppl r adapting to the new animu style, I'm so glad about the art, and sound effects, but most of the new animu r lacking the hood story part! Which is actually the most important part xD i was born in 89 and i HATE when people say anime is "getting worse" Well, opinions vary, on wut sense u say anime r getting better? |
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| idk fam, but there ar ejust too many unfinished 12 episode garbage i want full finished anime for once |
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The_Fat_Punisher said: Neither. I think as anime gets popular and more people get behind it, you can see newer and better things as well as a mandatory increase in audio / visual quality. There's also running out of new ideas, but if you watch a lot of older anime you start to realize that they aren't anymore deep or interesting compared to new stuff. There's a lot of bad anime right now. but there was also a lot of bad anime years ago, but nobody brings them up or remembers them. It's a 7 pages thread so you can find me bringing them up. Evangelion is deeply flawed in its otaku stuff and the praise it gets regarding characters is baseless, again and again the psychological introspection hammers on things you should've guessed in fear people don't understand, so for example you get many montages reiterating points mentioned somewhere else. Cowboy bebop too has many great moments but too little character backgrounds and dynamics so no crew member knows how to interact with each other and when a particular member leaves you get a sad song because this specific character has nothing going on in terms of nostalgic memories. There are so many episodes going bleh because characters mean little to you. And yet there's no director doing what Anno does, evangelion is like a crash course into depressive directing with perfect montages, close ups for emotional resonance, silence where everyone else plays music in the background for feel good moments and endings. Cowboy bebop is still more "cinematic" than whatever tvseries you can think of too. There's plenty of interesting stuff new animes don't even attempt to, though SHAFT works surpassed KareKano's cinematography even with mixed bags such as Kizu and Nise. |
FondenteSep 17, 2016 12:52 PM
Allenekoo said: Yes ofc, ppl r adapting to the new animu style, I'm so glad about the art, and sound effects, but most of the new animu r lacking the hood story part! Which is actually the most important part xD Well there are some things you want but can't have... |
obviously visually, other than that, i like the moe blob increase, i don't feel harems or ecchi have "increased" so i can't add them as well |
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Revert67 said: If you have bad taste, you will think it gets worse. If you have good taste you will think it gets better. And SoL is cool (not). If you want a serious answer observe the trends and ask yourself. The only thing that can be said objectivly is that we are getting more and more anime. Naturally there would also be more animes that are perceived as bad. Prolly the most self serving thing I've read so far.:l Blaming taste and by extention people doesn't mean animes aren't there to be judged. So yeah look at animes instead. Having tons of more anime doesn't mean the good ones live up to competition when many lose direction or can't even go for a great ending, much less attempt to do things only anime can. Every percentage or mental experiment pulled out of the blue is not going to change reality.;/ |
FondenteSep 17, 2016 3:34 PM
| why would the answer be neither /30chars |
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