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| What anime are you talking about? This is a general discussion of a fanfic, no? |
MonoReaper said: MightyM16 said: You're just misunderstanding what that screenshot you posted truly means This episode wasn't about the remnants becoming Junkp's puppets, it was about them falling into despair. The screenshot you posted them says how she used that despair to turn them into her "limbs" "taking advantage of their love" -> Mikan "of their hate" -> Komaeda "grudges" -> Izuru She till does these thing after she recruit them individually one by one after they are brainwashing into loving despair Futhermore when asked the question of how he truly turned the class into UD, Junko deflects it. Isn't that suspicious? Makoto also says that their real bodies were brainwashed So I wonder who is the one denying evidence here This is like talking against a wall. Be ignorant and accpect everything that is trown to you as food.  >Damn, I have no arguments left >Oh wait! Let me use my memes Truly pathetic. Just recognize your headcanon made no sense in the first place and deal with the developments the anime offered us |
MexicanNinja212 said: What anime are you talking about? This is a general discussion of a fanfic, no? Honestly, mal needs to get it together. They just add anything on here nowadays and make it look all official. |
| Okay...that final scene with Nanami and Izuru (but also Hinata) was so damn painful. This episode didn't show anything new that I wasn't expecting but what it did deliver was so despair-inducing. R.I.P. Chiaki Nanami. I hope you're playing video games in heaven right now. <3 Also cool to see that Juzo was confirmed gay for Munakata. I feel like we don't see enough LGBT characters in anime who aren't comic relief. |
| I can't believe Juzo was full homo for Kyosuke all along :3 Ah, the courtroom, those spiral eyes, the executions~ The bloody smell of nostalgia is strong. Nanami didn't deserve all that torture. It was so cruel, yet like her classmates, I couldn't look away neither. A couple tears were shed for her suffering. It was definitely one of the most brutal deaths I've ever seen relative to character. R I P Chiaki :'( On a positive note, I love the soundtrack used when the whole class got despaired <3 I'm excited to see what their Remnant of Despair get-ups look like. |
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| So Sakakura just lets Junko free just because he doesn't want his little gay secret to be revealed ? hum |
smoso said: MexicanNinja212 said: What anime are you talking about? This is a general discussion of a fanfic, no? Honestly, mal needs to get it together. They just add anything on here nowadays and make it look all official. Yea they do, I'm pretty sure I saw another discussion about one with an almost identical title. It's like they're not even trying. |
| this was painful to watch |
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| This is all Mikan's fault for pushing Chiaki |
| Well.. I got to say, this episode was really painful to watch. I was never a huge fan of Chiaki in games or anime but still, damn. |
| nooooo not her ;-; |
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| Although the brainwashing thing was unconvincing, Chiaki's death depressed the hell out of my heart. Not a big fan of her, but I don't want to see someone so innocent die like that. I was happy when I heard the 8-bit investigation music, but then I got sad when...you know...her blood. Adding insult to injury, well done. Fuck you. |
All people have their own sh*t tastes, therefore, there are no sh*t tastes, since everything is equally sh*t. A VERY LOGICAL PHILOSOPHY |
| Danganronpa 3 announced: "Hell Yeah, Hype!!!" After last and this episode: "This show was a mistake, A TERRIBLE MISTAKE". Jesus Christ, my heart hurt everytime I would hear Chiaki scream in pain with those traps, I don't think I can ever re-watch this episode, one of the most awful and terrible episodes(in a good way) I've ever watched, I need my New Game dose after this. |
| I was expecting Nanami to be tortured, killed, skewered. I am not complaining that she died. But why in this nonsense manner. Brainwashing, paralyzing, programming people that easily, Junko is so goddamn OP. Also, there are conveniently placed structures underground so that Junko can play her game. Juzo the shit Boxer, you gonna ruin every shit on the surface of the earth again? You let the world burn just because you don't want your beloved one to know of your feelings? Latest few episodes of Despair-hen really made me not care about it. I just see bad writing. |
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| Woah Sakakura.. That was unexpected.. I thought he was in love with Yukizome too.. No wonder he's so attached to Munakata.. I have no idea why there are still a lot of people who like Junko.. She's obviously the worst character in Danganronpa.. Didn't like this episode for Chiaki 'Execution'.. but that ending when Izuru cried really gives me an impact tho.. |
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renzospark said: I have no idea why there are still a lot of people who like Junko.. She's obviously the worst character in Danganronpa.. Why not? She plays the role as the manipulative and annoying psycho, easily bored evil bitch very well. And why only Junko? Mukuro's just as crooked to me, albeit in a different way. Rukoudiora said: I love her character but I also hate her if that makes sense I don't see how it doesn't. |
AmyTwoSep 16, 2016 11:40 AM
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AmyTwo said: Her too, and Monokuma in the third place lolrenzospark said: I have no idea why there are still a lot of people who like Junko.. She's obviously the worst character in Danganronpa.. Why not? She plays the role as the manipulative and annoying psycho, easily bored evil bitch very well. And why only Junko? Mukuro's just as crooked to me, albeit in a different way. |
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| Interesting thing is it seems Izuru never was in Despair. He never does anything evil or anything at all. Only the self defense in the first killing game counts as action. Junko always said she broke his spirit and even in UDG she was suprised/confused that he still had emotions or any emotion at all. We know why Izuru does what he does. With Chiakis dead Hinata was triggered and Izuru that believed his old self is forever gone is still inside him. So the scene where he rips Shiro & Kurokumas AI out makes no much more sense. He his Hinata self is angry at Junko for killing Nanami and he himself is curious about this unexpected development. That would also explain why he let Naegi capture him and bring him to the Island. He predicted that with the AI Chiaki he could bring back his memorys as Hajime Hinata. The question is what is he planning now? It seemed he knows exactly what`s going on and there was this ship scene that "escaped". So will Izuru/Hinata and the survivors try to safe Nagei? And it is still not clear what KillerKiller will add to the story. After all the manga will end soon and Kodaka said Killer Killer will have a somewhat big role in the plot for Mirai-hen. |
MonoReaper said: Interesting thing is it seems Izuru never was in Despair. He never does anything evil or anything at all. Only the self defense in the first killing game counts as action. Junko always said she broke his spirit and even in UDG she was suprised/confused that he still had emotions or any emotion at all. We know why Izuru does what he does. With Chiakis dead Hinata was triggered and Izuru that believed his old self is forever gone is still inside him. So the scene where he rips Shiro & Kurokumas AI out makes no much more sense. He his Hinata self is angry at Junko for killing Nanami and he himself is curious about this unexpected development. That would also explain why he let Naegi capture him and bring him to the Island. He predicted that with the AI Chiaki he could bring back his memorys as Hajime Hinata. The question is what is he planning now? It seemed he knows exactly what`s going on and there was this ship scene that "escaped". So will Izuru/Hinata and the survivors try to safe Nagei? And it is still not clear what KillerKiller will add to the story. After all the manga will end soon and Kodaka said Killer Killer will have a somewhat big role in the plot for Mirai-hen. Really, so I'll have to read Killer Killer? I hope not... |
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renzospark said: AmyTwo said: Her too, and Monokuma in the third place lolWhy not? She plays the role as the manipulative and annoying psycho, easily bored evil bitch very well. And why only Junko? Mukuro's just as crooked to me, albeit in a different way. What a surprise. Someone who didn't say Komaeda as one of the worst for once. lol :P |
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AmyTwo said: renzospark said: Her too, and Monokuma in the third place lol What a surprise. Someone who didn't say Komaeda as one of the worst for once. lol :P It's because he is utter TRASH so he's not even allowed to be on the list... |
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HyperL said: MonoReaper said: Interesting thing is it seems Izuru never was in Despair. He never does anything evil or anything at all. Only the self defense in the first killing game counts as action. Junko always said she broke his spirit and even in UDG she was suprised/confused that he still had emotions or any emotion at all. We know why Izuru does what he does. With Chiakis dead Hinata was triggered and Izuru that believed his old self is forever gone is still inside him. So the scene where he rips Shiro & Kurokumas AI out makes no much more sense. He his Hinata self is angry at Junko for killing Nanami and he himself is curious about this unexpected development. That would also explain why he let Naegi capture him and bring him to the Island. He predicted that with the AI Chiaki he could bring back his memorys as Hajime Hinata. The question is what is he planning now? It seemed he knows exactly what`s going on and there was this ship scene that "escaped". So will Izuru/Hinata and the survivors try to safe Nagei? And it is still not clear what KillerKiller will add to the story. After all the manga will end soon and Kodaka said Killer Killer will have a somewhat big role in the plot for Mirai-hen. Really, so I'll have to read Killer Killer? I hope not... It seems so. The Killer Killer was watching in a locker how his entire class got killed and this person was Kira Kira(The one serial killer from the Peko trial) it seems so at least. Thats why he calls himself Killer Killer < > Kira Kira . That was his past now he is in the 6th FF branche and in the special investigation Unit and kills killers as KillerKiller^^. We also saw "probably" Kira Kira and this person has a antenna like Hajime/Hinata/Komaru(our new V3 protag. It is hinted that Kira Kira (that has a ahoge^^) maybe will also play a big role. |
MonoReaperSep 16, 2016 1:07 PM
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HyperL said: It's because he is utter TRASH so he's not even allowed to be on the list... Hey man at least TRASH is better than "annoying psycho, easily bored evil bitch.". Really though Junko made my blood boil. What the fuck. |
| I feel really sorry for Sakakura :( He was really annoying but dying by the sword of your loved one... No one deserves it :( EXCEPT JUNKO! WHY CHIAKI WHY? |
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stand said: HyperL said: It's because he is utter TRASH so he's not even allowed to be on the list... Hey man at least TRASH is better than "annoying psycho, easily bored evil bitch.". Really though Junko made my blood boil. What the fuck. lmao She's getting to you too, it seems. All hail Danganronpa's bitch queen. Induces many with anger, sadness, or despair. |
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| CHIAKI NOOOOOOO AHHHHH !!!! |
| I actually had a feeling that Sakakura has feelings for Munakata, but now it's confirmed that he really does. The scene when Chiaki died, I know that she was going to die, I saw it coming, but seeing her die like that is just really painful and how she was crying & then talking to Izuru, just really sad!! |
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| Chiaki fell shooting at our hearts, that part of the episode in which even the izuru cried was to destroy hope and heart of anyone, damn onion cutters ninjas. I really did not care for the rest of the things that happened in the episode, for me this episode was just to bury nanami. especially because this change of 77th class to ultimate despairs was very weak in my point of view. |
Manecleis said: Irseus said: And since their bond is really strong, it must be really sad for them to watch one of their friends being tortured sadistically. So sad, indeed. Honestly, there's nothing that can justify this outcome - they were like this RIGHT AFTER Nanami died brutally. This is not sadness, defeat and resignation, it's creepy excitement and twisted despair without the brainwashing, brain-messing parts. It was poorly written, and that's a shame since the whole point of the Despair arc was to get to that. If you think about it, the classmates were in our places watching Nanami suffering and going through that dungeon. Just like us, they probably held onto hope that she would get through, that she would somehow survive, yet Nanami held onto the hope that her classmates would come for her, but they were unable to move. Similarly, their eyes were glued to the screen, because this is someone they care so much about. They aren't going to look away for a second and every time they see an injury inflicted on her, it pains them yet there's still that hope. Maybe, just maybe, her hope and determination will amount to something and get her out. Yet, with time this became unrealistic and despair was reality. Someone they put all their hope in, is being torn into shreds before them. That entire part where Nanami was being tortured basically sort of illustrated how they slowly were lured into despair. In the end, when Nanami died, nothing was born except for despair. So, yes, they were brainwashed, but to some extent the brainwashing did reflect how they saw the outcome was reality. I see a lot of people who don't particularly like the way it was executed, and I'm not going to bash their opinions because it's completely understandable, but in my opinion it was an unrealistically portrayed realistic depiction. Suffering and despair are illustrated to an extreme by her classmates. An oxymoron basically. Sure, they were sort of mindlessly, unwillingly brainwashed yet there was definitely truth in their mourning, helplessness, and spiral down into the depths of despair. --- As for my thoughts on the episode...obviously it was painful to watch, so despairing, yet like the classmates watching the episode seemed to end in silence and despair. Yet, crazy as Komaeada sounded (actually, he sounded like his usual self nothing much changing here), there was actual hope born out of despair. People argue that Izuru could be the mastermind, and completely evil, basically the ultimate despair...but I think that the last heart-touching scene with Nanami and Izuru showed that it is possible for the two of them to exist as one. Especially after SDR2, which I believe (along with many others) Izuru planned sort of against junko's plans in order to recover some of his memories. That's why he basically 'allowed' himself to be captured by Naegi. I don't believe that going through that game, understanding more of who he was before, and knowing who Nanami is and what he means to her would cause him to stay on the island doing nothing. His escape was inevitable, and I believe he is definitely going to be the final step towards a hopeful ending. A resolution. |
EarlCielSep 16, 2016 4:31 PM
| *SITS IN THE CORNER IN THE FETAL POSITION CRYING MY EYES OUT* We all saw it coming. We all knew. ... But not like this. On a side note did anyone notice that both of Chiaki's executions mirrored Junko and Mukuro? Crushed and stabbed by multiple spears... Huh. |
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| Best girl of despair arc has fallen :( So much despair is felt. I think I might be becoming despair too :( |
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trannon1 said: MightyM16 said: UD is just a title she created, it just means she is crazy for despair. It doesn't gives her any crazy super power "hurr durr brainwashing is dumb" Do you even play DR? Brainwashing and other mind techniques in general are a staple in the series Junko using brainwashing is better and more believable than her just purely manipulating a class of happy kids into edgelords who are addicted to despair and destruction They had to stand still because they were already affected, try watching the episode again, okay? And manipulating teenagers to become genocidal killers who crave despair through mere words will never be more believable than having to rely on an etabilished concept like brainwashing to kickstart their corruption Let me explain myself properly, I never said I disliked brainwashing. I said I dislike brainwashing "by video". My reasoning is that brainwashing by video is too OP. It is a cheat. There is no way to counter brainwashing by video. Are you supposed to argue against a video? Whereas when it comes to brainwashing by words, you can argue your point. You can choose not to give up. You can Hope. Do you understand my anger against brainwashing by video? It is a party trick that cannot be beaten. One video changes the whole world into Despair because anyone who watches it goes nuts. What even is the point of the Class Trials in the games anymore? How is Hope suppose to counter a video? Make a new video where people are cheering one another, which will inspire Hope? My answer is that this is a lazy method, because it is obviously hard to write Despair in psychological terms that will argue that Despair is better than Hope, so brainwashing through video is used. Also, brainwashing someone through words, it requires you to access their deepest secrets and sins and desires in order to make them dependent on you. That was what I really wanted to see. For example, why Ultimate Imposter is an imposter? What happened to him in the past? Perhaps Sonia had some traumatic event where her siblings tried to assasinatel her? Maybe Souda's dad is a drunk and abusive? Gundham had all his pets killed in an accident? Things like that. I wanted to see why Ultimate Despair would act the way they did. If they had no reason to do so other than "Love" for Junko, it is really a boring reason to destroy the world. Brainwashing and other mind techniques were always involved in the series in one way or another. Despair always had to cheat because in a fair fight, hope always come through, I mean why do you think Junko had to apply a mindwipe to her classmates to force them to kill each other? Because she knew that they wouldn't comply if they had the knowledge that they were friends with each other all along The brainwashing through video is something understandable, brainwashing by words is something simply nonsensical that you invented on the spot to make your point, Junko never had such power, I mean she can make someone fall into despair but she can't force them to love it. That's why it needed to exist something more to make the 77th class into UD Futhermore, it's not OP as you think. The video only makes someone crave for despair because it wires the brain to love the feeling of causing and receiving despair It's possible to fight against it, as Chisa demonstrated, she managed to held herself together and only couldn't because Junko ordered Mukuro to directly interfere with Chisa's brain Anyway brainwashing being involved in the fact that they turned into despair is hinted since SDR2   |
| Poor Nanami. Out of all the deaths in Danganronpa it was the hardest to watch. All of us who played Danganronpa 2 knew her death was coming but this was beyond what I expected. This is truly the ultimate despair. R.I.P, best girl of Danganronpa. |
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| Wow...So many people voting for hated...What a sad sight... |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
HyperL said: Wow...So many people voting for hated...What a sad sight... They can't handle the despair of a main character losing their own waifu. First Kirigiri and now Chiaki. The cries for the both of them are wonderful, especially since I felt the same way. |
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| Well fuck. I knew it was coming, but that was brutal. =/ |
| Junko is as evil as fuck...so sad this episode...so the wrestler guy was gay for Munakata.... maybe that's why Munaka killed him in the future arc... I guess it now makes sense why she was Alterego that Chiaki....... awww filled with so many emotions right now |
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| well that's brutal.... poor Chiaki, despair inducing indeed. Kana did a splendid job imo, can feel every bit of Chiaki's suffering :' so Sakakura is a gay? didn't see that coming tbh, lol just a hunch, but i think he will back in next episode of Mirai-Hen with this, hope i'm wrong :\ no Ryouta this time.... *sigh |
MightyM16 said: trannon1 said: Let me explain myself properly, I never said I disliked brainwashing. I said I dislike brainwashing "by video". My reasoning is that brainwashing by video is too OP. It is a cheat. There is no way to counter brainwashing by video. Are you supposed to argue against a video? Whereas when it comes to brainwashing by words, you can argue your point. You can choose not to give up. You can Hope. Do you understand my anger against brainwashing by video? It is a party trick that cannot be beaten. One video changes the whole world into Despair because anyone who watches it goes nuts. What even is the point of the Class Trials in the games anymore? How is Hope suppose to counter a video? Make a new video where people are cheering one another, which will inspire Hope? My answer is that this is a lazy method, because it is obviously hard to write Despair in psychological terms that will argue that Despair is better than Hope, so brainwashing through video is used. Also, brainwashing someone through words, it requires you to access their deepest secrets and sins and desires in order to make them dependent on you. That was what I really wanted to see. For example, why Ultimate Imposter is an imposter? What happened to him in the past? Perhaps Sonia had some traumatic event where her siblings tried to assasinatel her? Maybe Souda's dad is a drunk and abusive? Gundham had all his pets killed in an accident? Things like that. I wanted to see why Ultimate Despair would act the way they did. If they had no reason to do so other than "Love" for Junko, it is really a boring reason to destroy the world. Brainwashing and other mind techniques were always involved in the series in one way or another. Despair always had to cheat because in a fair fight, hope always come through, I mean why do you think Junko had to apply a mindwipe to her classmates to force them to kill each other? Because she knew that they wouldn't comply if they had the knowledge that they were friends with each other all along The brainwashing through video is something understandable, brainwashing by words is something simply nonsensical that you invented on the spot to make your point, Junko never had such power, I mean she can make someone fall into despair but she can't force them to love it. That's why it needed to exist something more to make the 77th class into UD Futhermore, it's not OP as you think. The video only makes someone crave for despair because it wires the brain to love the feeling of causing and receiving despair It's possible to fight against it, as Chisa demonstrated, she managed to held herself together and only couldn't because Junko ordered Mukuro to directly interfere with Chisa's brain Anyway brainwashing being involved in the fact that they turned into despair is hinted since SDR2 I really don't understand why you simply ignore 3/4th of my words. 1. I stated that I don't dislike brainwashing, I just dislike brainwashing by video. You are still talking as if I dislike the premise of brainwashing as a whole. 2. You claim that brainwashing by video is more plausible than brainwashing by words. Show me proof of brainwashing by video happening. If you want proof of brainwashing by words, just watch a Hitler speech and watch how the Nazis react. 3. Chisa can fight against it because she is an adult and is already knew what was going on behind the scenes. People who don't have that prior knowledge will be caught unaware and blindsided. Note how most of the Future Foundation leaders are past graduates of Hope's Peak. That is because most of them already knew about the experiments and the dark side of Hope's Peak. 4. I already stated that brainwashing by words involves more than some stupid speech about despair. It requires for Junko to take advantage of their personality, identity, secrets, and sins, and make the person hate themselves, feel inadequatte, and make herself God in their eyes. This actually happens in reality, known as Stockholm Syndrome. Abuse victims will keep clinging to their abusers, even though they should know that it is wrong. Plus studies have shown that this is a real thing. http://dana.org/Cerebrum/2010/Fear_in_Love__Attachment,_Abuse,_and_the_Developing_Brain/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-craig-malkin/domestic-violence_b_2786921.html If you are going to say something about why am I using abusive relationships and love as a basis, the lore of Danganronpa states that the Ultimate Despair perform acts of Despair to show their love for Junko. You accuse me by saying I made that up on the spot. Really? I was being civil, and you come out and accuse me of making crap up. Fine. Let me give you a huge wake-up call: This image is something that was said by Fake Naegi, aka AI Junko, aka the Biggest Liar Since the Tragedy. This MightyM16 said: is something simply nonsensical that you invented on the spot to make your point They probably were brainwashed, but get your facts right. 5. Now that I addressed all your points, you should do me the courtesy of not ignoring 3/4th of what I say, or you can go ahead just lambast me with your opinions. |
trannon1Sep 16, 2016 9:11 PM
| my eyeliner is in my damn eyes and this is causing me the truest despair right now. juuzou could have been the gay hero we needed but he passed on the role and everything went to shit. i understand how hard it is to confess to someone in that sense but omg he totally did not deserve to die by the person he loved the most, that is the real tragedy here. i have felt some real pain with some manga/anime but i have to say this is within the top 3 right now. i can't even sort out how i felt during those minutes of watching this but the moment i saw that freaking elevator, my panic flared up from still being traumatized with leon's execution, i just cried so hard. that's not what i wanted at all. i always liked nanami a lot but this just confirmed that the real human nanami meant so much more to me. somehow she survived some extra minutes but those last moments with hinata, i forgive everything messy and bad that has happened in this show tbh. i was always confused on what the hell izuru's stance was since he willingly participated in the program yet installed junko's ai but that last scene gives it a bit more background?? i'm just assuming like everyone that he did rebel against junko and the real purpose was to bring bring back those memories because nanami obviously impacted him somehow. i can even go far to say that she tapped into previous hinata emotions and showed izuru something more interesting that he hadn't witnessed before. i do feel disappointed that things haven't turned out the way i had thought they were for like the past 3 years. still, i think what is important is what SDR2 gave to me when i first read it and a lot of the philosophical and psychological themes that i was left with to reflect on. how could i have possibly expected the anime to provide more on that, idk but it's still kinda sad to realize all the circumstances and tragedies you had built around the characters aren't really the true causes for their future actions. the junko side that i always liked is the one that messed with mitarai. that's the one that just intrigues me the most cuz it's so psychological based which is what got me into this mess in the first place. junko's dio-like pose and personality was always something that pleased me because in the games, i did see her as someone so charismatic that would attract ppl and bring them down to her own twisted ideologies and become so loyal. so i guess that's where the disappointment comes from, that this whole time i thought she slowly broke them with guilt, shame, being a toxic influence on them, to the point of no return. instead it was just easily done with one extremely shocking experience and also with some extra help of mind control effects. |
| Kodaka's main goal was actually to turn all of us into remnants of despair. He has now finally achieved it. Kodaka is actually the true ultimate despair. |
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