Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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dobinz said: wow, are people still clueless about his power? Verifax said: They're not knockoffs, they are Betelgeuse, so it makes perfect sense. I didn't say it didn't make sense, i said it was lame Let me rephrase. To have all speaking-role cultists just be betelgeuse clones is crappy, it would have been interesting to see different cult personalities |
FragOutFireSep 4, 2016 6:42 PM
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| I ship Subaru x Felis now |
| Great episode as usual, Emilia is finally back and I was anticipating their reunion (even though Rem is best) but it looks like that's not going to happen yet. Not sure why he turned into Petelguese maybe because he had the book? Guess we'll find out. Pretty sure he'll go back to after they killed the whale seems like the right point. I kinda feel like his death is a good thing now he can save a lot more people (including sloth-kun) because he knows the merchant is in the cult, He knows about the fingers, about Rem and about how the villagers feel. It's like when I forget to save after a long time of playing a game and my game dies and I have to do it all over again, I usually end up doing a lot better and more efficiently. |
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Bushishi said: takenMalUsername said: I take back what I said, Re:zero deserves to have at least a 8.5 after this finale. So many things happened; Julis turned ouut to be a cool guy in the end, Felis can fight, Ram wasn't evil and Emilia might have good relations with the village after Man of Steel ing the last finger and Subaru made his final selfless sacrifice. A fitting end considering his selfish nature during and possibly before the series. I'm so ready to tune in to the sequel where the spirit of sloth goes to the unexpected the person, Slothman in, "Emilia v. Rem: Dawn of Best Girl". Real thoughts: Re:zero is weird because I don't know for sure how I feel about the show. On one hand, it has episodes like this that reminds me on how great this show is. On the other, I have some problems with the show that prevents me from fully enjoying it (my main problems comes from episodes 14-18). Eh, it's totally cool if you have issues with something (even though I don't understand how the hate for episodes 14-18 can be justified, but your opinion bro). Maybe you'll end up liking the whole package once the anime's finished, or you'll think the anime was bad and move on. The thing is Re:zero has many great elements in it, but has problems that holds it back from being (in MAL ratings terms) a 9. Re:zero has great things, I know it can do great things, but I can't call it great. To keep my problems with 14-18 short: The overall feeling of no progress getting done. Using cheap tricks to make the audience "feel" more. Suffering and "dark" doesn't automatically make it good. The royal election being brushed aside for Subaru and Rem's suffering adventure (this is more me expecting something else). I personally find Rem this arc to be a bland character (this is related to point 2). |
TakenMalUsernameSep 4, 2016 6:44 PM
Jagd84 said: What kind of tinfold argument is this? That's like blaming someone who was hit by a car for other people getting hurt while the ones in the car that hit them speeds away in a panic. Emilia is not in anyway responsible for bunch of people she never meet in her life. How about actually blaming the culprits not victim? Myth or fact: Bad things happen to people that associate with half elfs. This is actually fact. That the half-elfs aren't complicit doesn't matter, the villagers are right to fear Emilia. I'm not blaming Emilia, but I'm saying the villagers aren't wrong in wanting to distance themselves from her. |
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FragOutFire said: Do you fear Black people? are all them of thieves? Is Barack Obama dangerous?Jagd84 said: What kind of tinfold argument is this? That's like blaming someone who was hit by a car for other people getting hurt while the ones in the car that hit them speeds away in a panic. Emilia is not in anyway responsible for bunch of people she never meet in her life. How about actually blaming the culprits not victim? Myth or fact: Bad things happen to people that associate with half elfs. This is actually fact. That the half-elfs aren't complicit doesn't matter, the villagers are right to fear Emilia. I'm not blaming Emilia, but I'm saying the villagers aren't wrong in wanting to distance themselves from her. |
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FragOutFire said: dobinz said: wow, are people still clueless about his power? Verifax said: They're not knockoffs, they are Betelgeuse, so it makes perfect sense. I didn't say it didn't make sense, i said it was lame Let me rephrase. To have all speaking-role cultists just be betelgeuse clones is crappy, it would have been interesting to see different cult personalities then again, they aren't his clones, they are him. |
FragOutFire said: Jagd84 said: What kind of tinfold argument is this? That's like blaming someone who was hit by a car for other people getting hurt while the ones in the car that hit them speeds away in a panic. Emilia is not in anyway responsible for bunch of people she never meet in her life. How about actually blaming the culprits not victim? Myth or fact: Bad things happen to people that associate with half elfs. This is actually fact. That the half-elfs aren't complicit doesn't matter, the villagers are right to fear Emilia. I'm not blaming Emilia, but I'm saying the villagers aren't wrong in wanting to distance themselves from her. They fear Emilia over superstition that they can't even prove. That doesn't make them justified or right. They were by attack degenerates would have killed them over any excuse. They're getting mad at wrong person and if anything she should be praised along with Subaru and others for defending them. The mass in general are dumb just like in real life. It's like blaming all Muslims for Ai Qualida did and thinking everyone is going to go after you. |
Iron_MawSep 4, 2016 6:56 PM
TeamDalaiLana said: Do you fear Black people? are all them of thieves? Is Barack Obama dangerous? No. Not all black people are thieves. All world leaders are dangerous, but not the president in particular. All of these fantasy half elfs are dangerous. They are all targeted by this magic cult. The people around them get slaughtered for being near them. How do you not see the villagers side in this? This isn't like real life. This is an Isekai story where they wrote a race to be dangerous to be around. Are you saying that it's not dangerous to be around Emilia? Look at Subaru dying 5, 6 times (maybe more) at this point for associating with her? Look at the entire village being killed off twice, and a bunch of them dead this time. PukingMachines said: then again, they aren't his clones, they are him. that's a little petty. like i said, it would have been interesting to see more than one personality in the cultists. |
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FragOutFire said: that's a little petty. like i said, it would have been interesting to see more than one personality in the cultists. what? i just can't understand where you're coming from at all, what's the point of showing other cultist's personalities if they would only become relevant if Peter Ruse died, the other cultists are just there to die anyway. |
| The mismatch from last week's final moments to this week's starting moments was really jarring and completely smashed my hype for this episode and what to expect from Ram. 2 episodes left, and we have a death. I wonder where his checkpoint is this time? It would almost be insulting to put it pre-whale. At least this time around, assuming post-whale respawn, things will be extremely straightforward. Once again Emilia gets little screen time and we are still expected to believe that Subaru's relationship with her isn't shallow. |
mozgow said: Amazing episode (as always) but I can't imagine how can they wrap things up if Subaru will have to start over right from the Appa vendor. Putting that aside, how can they defeat Betelgeuse if he can keep switching bodies and eventually will take over Subaru's? my guess is, itll be from not touching the book maybe? he had it on him that whole time, and as was said, having possession of one of those books is enough for them as proof, so next round, burn the thing (if possible) |
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| because the cultists are cool, and that they could be your neighbor, your local merchant, anyone, is rad as hell also the reactions from the villagers that grandpa and ms johnson who bakes nice pies was into this horrible murder cult would have been awesome |
FragOutFireSep 4, 2016 7:06 PM
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PukingMachines said: FragOutFire said: that's a little petty. like i said, it would have been interesting to see more than one personality in the cultists. what? i just can't understand where you're coming from at all, what's the point of showing other cultist's personalities if they would only become relevant if Peter Ruse died, the other cultists are just there to die anyway. Yeah, you don't need to know anything about the Fingers individuality. They aren't important and just serve more as mechanism/spare bodies for Betelgeuse. |
| That cliffhanger was one of the best in a while. |
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Shirasho said: Once again Emilia gets little screen time and we are still expected to believe that Subaru's relationship with her isn't shallow. Unless you're been as sleep for half of the cour the foundations for relationship has been established a long time ago and they have interacted plenty. The whole point of this arc had been reunite with her and stop the Cult from destroying the only home he has in this world. Even if he wasn't in love with her, he still help as friend and some one who has been a personal benefactor to him. She also given a great lengthy scene (completely with a Big Damn Heroes moment) in this episode and did as much as anyone else consider large amount of characters on screen. |
| Poor Emilia... That ending...wow I wonder how this will end. |
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| @FragOutFire How the hell is racism against half-elves justified by the cultists being a bunch of crazy motherfuckers...? Is this the "Don't draw Muhammad or you'll end up dead and it'll be all your fault for taunting the crazy muslim extremists." all over again? |
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Mentar said: Er, no? It does not? Why would it be unexpected to believe that members of a religious cult do not have similar magical abilities? From what it's been shown, "Authorities" are pretty much unique spells which the highest members, Sin Archbishops, possess. Betelgeuse himself says at the end of episode 17 that "it has been given to him", and considering we can only see the world from Subaru's eyes, what Betelgeuse said is most reliable source. So, it's safe to assume that "Authority of Sloth: Unseen Hands" is unique ability which only Sin Archbishop of Sloth, Betelgeuse Romanee-Conti, can use. Mentar said: Also, not just Betelgeuse used the Unseen Hands, but also Romanee-Conti. I see no reason to believe that the other fingers _who were fighting simultaneously_ were all instances of Betelgeuse. Makes no sense at all. Yes, the fingers fought simultaneously, and yes, fingers might have their own abilities. But no other cultist showed Unseen Hand... except for ones which also showed Betelgeuse's speech pattern mannerism and called themselves Betelgeuse. And there was never more than one shown to do that - it was all different fingers at different times, one by one. And no, fingers weren't instances of Betelgeuse. Fingers served as host for Betelgeuse's soul. Until 2 cultists at the same time show Betelgeuse's mannerisms and Unseen Hands, most logical explanation is that Betelgeuse possesses other person which fulfills requirements after his death. If you want even more concrete evidence: 1) After "original" Betelgeuse was killed, Subaru took the Gospel from him 2) Some time later, a finger - now Betelgeuse - captures no one else Subaru and interrogates him about stolen Gospel 3) Even later, another finger says: "Ah, so you really stole it!" Now, this does tell us 2 thngs: 1) Gospel is normally some way tied to its owner 2) Betelgeuse's mind, soul and abilities can be transferred to another body after previous body's death Do I need to explain more? |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
FragOutFire said: TeamDalaiLana said: Do you fear Black people? are all them of thieves? Is Barack Obama dangerous? No. Not all black people are thieves. All world leaders are dangerous, but not the president in particular. All of these fantasy half elfs are dangerous. They are all targeted by this magic cult. The people around them get slaughtered for being near them. How do you not see the villagers side in this? There are two sides to this and it's supposed to bring up discussion, You're both right, The villagers are valid and are correct that Emilia is the cause but Emilia has nothing to do with it she's just a victim in all of this like they are, She cannot control them and attempts to help to the best of her ability. You cannot blame either side, Subaru wants to explain how they're wrong in his eyes but he simply doesn't have the time to and says "I won't tell you to try and change them now (Their opinions)... But for now accept my request" meaning he probably will attempt to in the future it isn't him saying that they're right and he isn't letting the racism off the hook he just understands and wants to get them to safety. FragOutFire said: PukingMachines said: then again, they aren't his clones, they are him. that's a little petty. like i said, it would have been interesting to see more than one personality in the cultists. I get what you mean, You understand why they don't have their own personalities and accept that but you think it would be more interesting if they had. Nothing wrong with that but I do think the whole empty body thing makes more sense and prefer it that way since they're going to die. |
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Shirasho said: Have you been here the past 23 episodes?Once again Emilia gets little screen time and we are still expected to believe that Subaru's relationship with her isn't shallow. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: How the hell is racism against half-elves justified I guess when it's written to be justified. Is this the "Don't draw Muhammad or you'll end up dead and it'll be all your fault for taunting the crazy muslim extremists." all over again? that's like a clash of cultures problem though. there is no clash of cultures for half-elfs, you just need to be near them/around them/live in the village close to them to get fucked over. |
FragOutFireSep 4, 2016 7:19 PM
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| The feels in this one is unbearable Many people wanted Betelgeuse back. They got what they want. But resulted into an unexpected consequence. Does anyone know the next revival point? |
FragOutFire said: You're basically saying that because extremists exist, half-elves should not.Immahnoob said: How the hell is racism against half-elves justified I guess when it's written to be justified. Is this the "Don't draw Muhammad or you'll end up dead and it'll be all your fault for taunting the crazy muslim extremists." all over again? that's like a clash of cultures problem though. there is no clash of cultures for half-elfs, you just need to be near them/around them/live in the village close to them to get fucked over. That's backwards. Extremists exist and they should not, half-elves have no reason not to. So you're wrong. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: You're basically saying that because extremists exist, half-elves should not. That's backwards. Extremists exist and they should not, half-elves have no reason not to. So you're wrong. it's not just the cult you have to be wary of though, it's that and all the other stuff that surrounds emilia that gets you killed. subaru died several times before he even met the cult due to emilia-reasons. to like have this cultural hate for half-elves makes complete sense in this context because being around them brings grave misfortune. you don't want your kid/family/village to be slaughtered because they were friends with this one person |
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| Summary: Ram's a cunt. legit cunt status. Emilia doesnt give a fuck about subaru. And Subaru is a fucking boss. Oh also, all the subaru haters are gonna revert back to being " OH SUBARU, HES SO AWESOME, WOW IM SORRY I EVER DOUBTED YOU " And to those thugs, I say this, Subaru is trapped in a world where he cant get laid with the chick he's obsessed with, and regular poon isnt good enough. If youve never been in this position you wouldnt understand. I sure dont. |
| BOOOYYY just when things were getting better. |
FragOutFire said: They die because people are retarded, they overreact, become violent and kill each other, not because half-elves have some magical misfortune passive abilities, that's a myth in the story, not a fact. Immahnoob said: You're basically saying that because extremists exist, half-elves should not. That's backwards. Extremists exist and they should not, half-elves have no reason not to. So you're wrong. it's not just the cult you have to be wary of though, it's that and all the other stuff that surrounds emilia that gets you killed. subaru died several times before he even met the cult due to emilia-reasons. to like have this cultural hate for half-elves makes complete sense in this context because being around them brings grave misfortune. you don't want your kid/family/village to be slaughtered because they were friends with this one person The only thing we know about them is that Satella, the Jealous Witch, might have been a half-elf. Which is still uncertain since "It's said..." has been used several times when talking about that part, nor do we know if Emilia can become the Witch. E.g. another case of idiocy is the devils killing twins because they have a single horn. |
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Immahnoob said: They die because people are retarded, they overreact, become violent and kill each other this hasn't happened in the story. unless you mean the cultists toward the villagers i guess not because half-elves have some magical misfortune passive abilities, that's a myth in the story, not a fact. it is explicitly because of magical misfortune passive abilities though! subaru's curse is related to emilia, several deaths happened because subaru got close to emilia, she's being targeted by this silly cult and several people die because they were close to emilia (multiple times), when emilia dies, the entire world gets iced and destroyed because of emilia's stupid pet it's just a really bad idea to be around half-elfs in this world |
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| That ending so sad 😢 I feel like i want to cry |
| That episode was so edgy my wrists started bleeding and Linkin Park start blasted through my unplugged stereo: Crawling in my skin . . . |
Jagd84 said: Shirasho said: Once again Emilia gets little screen time and we are still expected to believe that Subaru's relationship with her isn't shallow. Unless you're been as sleep for half of the cour the foundations for relationship has been established a long time ago and they have interacted plenty. The whole point of this arc had been reunite with her and stop the Cult from destroying the only home he has in this world. Even if he wasn't in love with her, he still help as friend and some one who has been a personal benefactor to him. She also given a great lengthy scene (completely with a Big Damn Heroes moment) in this episode and did as much as anyone else consider large amount of characters on screen. You're sort of proving my point here. > Foundation was made a long time ago So you expect me to believe a deep relationship was made in 6 episodes? This spans 18 days max assuming the 3 day rule for resurrection while allowing him 1 death per episode that Emilia was in. Shallow. Ridiculously shallow. Deep relationships aren't created in 18 days. The relationship and feelings Subaru has for Emilia are not love, and I am hesitant to call it devotion. It is a relationship based on gratitude, respect, and debt yet the series expects us to treat that relationship as Subaru's love for her. If that isn't shallow love I don't know what is. A relationship based on deep love has understanding your partner as the foundation, something Subaru clearly doesn't have. We can argue that we have different definitions of love and I am not here to change your opinion on that matter, but from my perspective that "love" is shallow. Immahnoob said: Shirasho said: Have you been here the past 23 episodes?Once again Emilia gets little screen time and we are still expected to believe that Subaru's relationship with her isn't shallow. Yes, have you? Emilia was only in the first five or six episodes and made another appearance in episodes 13-15. Time may have rewinded within the first few episodes multiple times, but 18 days (assuming 3 day jumps 6 times) isn't enough to make a relationship that can be described as non-shallow, especially when the relationship was one-sided. See my comment above. Like I said in response to the quote above you are free to define love however you want, but from my perspective his love is shallow because what he feels for her isn't love, and the story is trying to force it on us that it is. |
| I think his reset was because of what Felix was saying to Subaru to make up with Julius. Subaru set a flag, if you didn't notice, that he has to say something to Julius but postponed it. And probably that blank letter, assuming Subaru would say to others that some of the merchants are cult members. Just my speculation and nothing to do with LN and for those who have read it already. |
| "This (anime) industry is weird" - Chitose Karasuma, Gi(a)rlish Number I hope someday someone in an anime would say, "The (anime) viewers are weird." |
Shirasho said: You're sort of proving my point here. > Foundation was made a long time ago So you expect me to believe a deep relationship was made in 6 episodes? This spans 18 days max assuming the 3 day rule for resurrection while allowing him 1 death per episode that Emilia was in. Shallow. Ridiculously shallow. Deep relationships aren't created in 18 days. The relationship and feelings Subaru has for Emilia are not love, and I am hesitant to call it devotion. It is a relationship based on gratitude, respect, and debt yet the series expects us to treat that relationship as Subaru's love for her. If that isn't shallow love I don't know what is. A relationship based on deep love has understanding your partner as the foundation, something Subaru clearly doesn't have. We can argue that we have different definitions of love and I am not here to change your opinion on that matter, but from my perspective that "love" is shallow. How does that even prove your point? First he's only been separated from her from 3 days since the start for this arc. Second he's lived with her for a month and half (which was over 13 episodes not 6) not just a couple of days. Third, you're are not the authority on how, when and how long the depth of person relationship should be. Some people live with each other for years and never develop a bond while others do in just a couple of days. How much person should love, respect or even hate another person is ENTIRETY dependent on the individual. Subaru and Emilia have been through a lot and he's come like as person because his attracted to her empathetic personality which he has directly benefit others and him numerous times. She became someone special to him because of that and who she is the to point he's willing to risk his life for her. It's nowhere shallow and everyone in show the recognizes how serious he is about her. If his feelings for her were minor or lacking he wouldn't even be here at all. He wouldn't be able to cope with hardship. |
Iron_MawSep 4, 2016 8:15 PM
Bushishi said: takenMalUsername said: The thing is Re:zero has many great elements in it, but has problems that holds it back from being (in MAL ratings terms) a 9. Re:zero has great things, I know it can do great things, but I can't call it great. To keep my problems with 14-18 short: The overall feeling of no progress getting done. Using cheap tricks to make the audience "feel" more. Suffering and "dark" doesn't automatically make it good. The royal election being brushed aside for Subaru and Rem's suffering adventure (this is more me expecting something else). I personally find Rem this arc to be a bland character (this is related to point 2). I disagree, and I'm not going to explain why, as I'm tired of posting essays about my disagreements with those points right now. Hmm, 14-18, that's 5/25 episodes you don't like (Although I'm seriously confused how anyone can feel 18 was a waste of time when it was the final stage of grief for Subaru and a turning point in his character). No problem, I didn't want to turn this into a big deal. I just wanted to state my opinion in order for you to get a better understanding of my side of things. Subaru's devlopment made me accept the episode and not completely hate it. My problem with episode 18 goes like this: Not enjoying Rem = not enjoying a episode with 85% of it is (personally) bland Rem. 5 minutes of Rem going in detail of her dreams of her future with Subaru made me roll my eyes. I know 5 episode is small in the grand scheme of things, but me not fully liking 1/5 of the show in a row certainly hinders my enjoyment. There are also smaller problems later on, but those I can mostly look over those and I find 14-18 the lowest part of the show. |
| Dammint it felt like some secondary quest mixed with main plot it was a weird chapter. Betelgeuse is the true man. Love!Love!Love! XD |
FragOutFire said: dobinz said: wow, are people still clueless about his power? Verifax said: They're not knockoffs, they are Betelgeuse, so it makes perfect sense. I didn't say it didn't make sense, i said it was lame Let me rephrase. To have all speaking-role cultists just be betelgeuce clones is crappy, it would have been interesting to see different cult personalities Except all the members of Betelgeuce's portion of the cult serve under him in the Sloth section of the cult. The other Sin Archbishops have different personalities. Except they are all even more insane and crazy then Betelgeuce, but in different ways. |
| subaru can't seem to catch a break can he? xD |
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