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Jul 3, 2016 9:42 PM
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hmmmmm.... I really really have a feeling that Emilia might have done this. Overall, this episode was a huge shocker !!! The Rem x Subaru train was going strong too and they had to kill Rem like that? ;-;
Jul 3, 2016 10:01 PM
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AmejiHunter said:
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Well it was pretty obvious Subaru would fuck up again but I didn't think it'd actually be worse than what happened last episode.

I wonder how long it'll be before he finally realizes he's not some super powered hero and stop acting like the arrogant prick he is.

He might be the most unlikable MC I've seen in an anime in quite some time. His constant blunders and increasing insanity are becoming more and more annoying. I'm mostly intrigued by EVERYBODY around him and their motivations. The witch/dragon etc...Unfortunately I have to see it through the eyes of Subaru.


The thing is, it doesn't seem like the author wants us to like Subaru, but to pretty much hate him. To be honest, I prefer despising a character because of what he does than liking him, because I feel like it brings more entertainment.

I'm not sure if I'm being clear enough/if I'm able to explain correctly, but the main reason why I've loved those past episodes is because I came to react to the way Subaru does things and to actually hate him for being such an annoying prick. Also makes the other characters show another side, with everyone (even Rem) being against him instead of always taking care of him.

Also shows how he changes and how the ''I'm immortal'' thing makes him feel like he's god or something. He thinks everyone needs him while he did almost nothing at all.


Exactly. He's not supposed to be a likable character, this is the same person who was chosen by Satella the witch. We are watching a transformation of his very own character (probably the transformation that the witch knew would happen anyway).
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Jul 3, 2016 10:10 PM
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HikariGo said:
Based on the OP and what I have watched so far, my guess is that the reason Subaru is so drawn to Emilia is due to the Jealous Witch presence/hold over him.

I assume the Jealous Witch wants to take over Emilia's body, as hers is sealed away, and that Subaru is her unwitting pawn to make that happen.

Who knows, I may be completely wrong, but just trying to make sense of Subaru's utter devotion to Emilia and a few events in the OP and anime.


That's actually a very believable theory. And tbh, is something that I had in the back of my mind after seeing the OP (the witch's hands wrap around Emilia while she takes Subaru's hand to join her). Subaru is so unhealthily fixated on Emilia now, he could very well follow her to any lengths. Even if she became the witch. D:

I also think he'd be more than her pawn though. Like what Beatrice said, Satella is looking for love. I wouldn't be surprised if she wants Emilia's body to rule the kingdom, with Subaru by her side (if this theory is even remotely correct).
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HikariGo said:
Who knows, I may be completely wrong, but just trying to make sense of Subaru's utter devotion to Emilia and a few events in the OP and anime.


She save his life+give him a home and then feel for her. It's because of her kindness he found a place in this world to live when everybody tried to either rob or kill him.

AmejiHunter said:


Also shows how he changes and how the ''I'm immortal'' thing makes him feel like he's god or something. He thinks everyone needs him while he did almost nothing at all.


So negotiating with Felt to get Emilia's emblem back, saving Emilia, Felt and Rom from Elza, saving Rem and village children are him doing nothing at all?

How does that make sense?

He was key to how everyone has survived this far. He's technicality correct and not just being delusional. Where he's wrong is talking up everything on his shoulders.
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I guess if you made character too perfect then it becomes "wish fulfillment". I find it funny some viewers thought Subaru was a "wish-fulfillment" character. Oh boy they were so wrong.

Jagd84 said:
HikariGo said:
Who knows, I may be completely wrong, but just trying to make sense of Subaru's utter devotion to Emilia and a few events in the OP and anime.


She save his life+give him a home and then feel for her. It's because of her kindness he found a place in this world to live when everybody tried to either rob or kill him.


I interpret Subaru as actually going insane from the stress of his death experience and suffering. I really don't think he even likes Emilia that much but more of an obsession like a stalker does. I think he will get worse and worse until an epiphany will make him a much better character to redeem himself. It seems the author wanted to go a different and harsher route in character development.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
Jul 3, 2016 10:21 PM

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wakka9ca said:
I guess if you made character too perfect then it becomes "wish fulfillment". I find it funny some viewers thought Subaru was a "wish-fulfillment" character. Oh boy they were so wrong.

Jagd84 said:


She save his life+give him a home and then feel for her. It's because of her kindness he found a place in this world to live when everybody tried to either rob or kill him.


I interpret Subaru as actually going insane from the stress of his death experience and suffering. I really don't think he even likes Emilia that much but more of an obsession like a stalker does. I think he will get worse and worse until an epiphany will make him a much better character to redeem himself. It seems the author wanted to go a different and harsher route in character development.


Right and I agree. However I think he likes her plenty and he's shone it. But he's also been using her as emotional pillar to cope with his deaths. If he has her, he can get through the pain he's suffered since coming here. He's now lost that through his own mistake and now he's become despondent. On top of that everything he's worked for probably feels like it's being denied by everyone.
Iron_MawJul 3, 2016 10:27 PM
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Old OP is better and dat cliffhanger ending
Jul 3, 2016 10:43 PM
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This episode was great! idk why but i kinda like that subaru isn't that perfect main character (Kirito)
Jul 3, 2016 10:45 PM

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GAH!! This show and its cliffhangers!! I can't take it! Best girl Rem why'd you have to die T-T. God I wish the light novels were in print in america already, i just want to sit here and read it all I can't handle this wait T-T.
Jul 3, 2016 10:46 PM

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new Op is awesome, Subaru is training his ass off and wow the green haired girl looks hot in that outfit and WHAT THE FUCK WAS WITH THOSE PEOPLE?! i got scared there for a second and that ost man!
Jul 3, 2016 11:07 PM

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MetaphyskalHuntR said:
My opinion on the matter concurs with those who say that the past few episodes the MC's "annoying behavior, out of nowhere" are NOT out of nowhere.
In fact, it's quite the contrary - and perhaps this is the purpose of the show:

Given how MC's ability of rebirth after death, which can admittedly significantly reduce the conflict, tension, death and tradgedy (since the viewer knows we can reset - for now at least )- it is my opinion that this recent behavior, and possibly main theme throughout the show, is to illustrate just how traumatic psychologically witnessing the horrors of the dark side humanity is for anyone, but especially our MC. I believe that the emphasis of the show is not politics or fantasy, but of psychological exploration of the highs and lows of humanity. I agree with those who say this is about escapism - to a degree. However, I would add that this is about witnessing the psychological evolution, the lack of understanding mental illness, the isolation it can bring even between you and your closest relationships, and perseverance needed to keep moving forward even while having your hopes crushed.
I don't think I have articulated fully this assessment, so look at these points below which are what I'm using to base this claim on:


He was a NEET (so he has not assimilated socially to say the least, so his past is likely complex but we can conclude he was probably isolated),
who has been plucked from his home into a fantasy world (so no friends/ comfort zone),
Though he thought his familiarity with video games he would be able to master/ predict/ succeed in parallel world (a sense of hope and new high of starting life in an environment he prefers and is familiar with),
The idea that he will encounter and win the true love of a damsel in distress (a high of being given an escape from his isolation),
The opportunity to matter and make a difference via his helping Emilia and the lost child in the beginning (a high of having a sense of self worth, value, and mattering in this world),

But then from that point on of building up hope and restoring the MC's confidence while also his character's false sense of believing he is no longer isolated or insignificant: it has been an ever increasing in severity- in the gradations, the damage and assault on his Ego, identity, and psychology.

So after the initial highs, it is important to remember that he had a cause/goal/faith in Emilia that keeps him going. Nevertheless, here are the lows that take him to his previous psychological depths and beyond:


Being unable to save himself or someone he cares for, repeatedly (weakness and witnessing horrible brutality and tragedy),
Having once reached the (presumably) new heights for the first time of being close to Emilia, and building other friendships (this is a NEET, they matter a lot) , yet no one remembering and still not trusting you,
been given a power/curse of revival, but not allowed to tell anyone about (further isolation AND having being forced to face not only your shortcomings but their dire consequences),
Having the stench of the witch (being discriminated by those he cares for, and not understanding why),
Not understand your circumstances, no one to help you, and no one trusts you (another obvious low),
Being helpless to the curse, and witnessing everyone being killed due to his own self preservation (another horrible low),
Seeing twin sisters suffering past and witnessing their deaths in his place,
Having children attacked and being again, powerless. Though at the same time your friend suffers to save you(this must be hard),
I'm sure there are more but you get the picture, this guy has been through and seen so much...those images likely haunt him, as does the sense of powerlessness.

Yet through all of that the pillar that kept his sanity was his relationship and hope of a future with Emilia.

But then the breaking point is these past few episodes, which IMO explains perfectly his recent unpleasant behavior - his thinking is obviously skewed- because his pillar Emilia doesn't understand him in this time line the way he prefers, and she chose to abandon him. This is what leads to this psychological break and why he is now selfishly acting like an annoying ass. But the poster who said this was due to his delusions and skewed thinking is spot on for the above mentioned, and many other reasons.

That's why, IMO - this shows main theme is dealing with the psychological evolution of not only war, politics, and romance but also adolescence, isolation, and mental illness.

This. Agreed so much
Jul 3, 2016 11:08 PM

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bigpoppa said:
Fai said:


Liking the show =/= chirping only positive stuff about it.

"if you don't like it don't watch it" is hella faulty retort too since if people only watched what they agreed with, no form of critique would ever exist.


so you watch stuff u dont like just to criticize it? sad life


1) Fai never said he didn't like it

2) He has made some critical errors when it comes to not picking up on some stuff about Subaru's deteriorating mental state.

3) People watch stuff they don't like all the time. It's called being a critic. Well-rounded people don't live in an echo chamber where only things they like are allowed.
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My god, this show has no imagination whatsoever. I mean half-elf discrimination? Royal succession between snobs and slobs? The lone hero who thinks he can save the day and just fucks things up in the process? The ungodly amount of boring dialogue? Does the writer not read good fantasy stories or something? Is his favorite book, Eragon?

Re:Zero's main problem isn't its arrogant douchebag of a male lead. Re:Zero's problem is that it sucks!
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Jul 3, 2016 11:21 PM
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MetaphyskalHuntR said:


That's why, IMO - this shows main theme is dealing with the psychological evolution of not only war, politics, and romance but also adolescence, isolation, and mental illness.

Totally agree. Pull up for those who haven't read this analysis.

Jul 3, 2016 11:32 PM
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What i wanna know is why the witch cult just surrounded him and then let him live? Any one explain confused aff
Jul 3, 2016 11:38 PM
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AnimeFan1022937 said:
What i wanna know is why the witch cult just surrounded him and then let him live? Any one explain confused aff


They can sense the witch scent on him, so they think he is one of the high ranking members of the cult
Jul 3, 2016 11:42 PM
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This episode felt so strong, enjoyed it, ending was just good. I just wonder whether he will die or not, to change his actions but kind of have a hunch he will not.
Jul 3, 2016 11:58 PM
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AnimeFan1022937 said:
What i wanna know is why the witch cult just surrounded him and then let him live? Any one explain confused aff


Of course they let him live. That's Satella's man!!
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Jul 3, 2016 11:59 PM

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damn... Rem was in the new op so there's a possibility she is still alive


if you count shinimodori as still being alive? :P

Though I guess the possibility of her living is still there... but I'm pretty sure Subaru's going to reset soon so he can get to the village/mansion in time.

I meant that he would reset, but the thing is the last time he woke up was long after she'd left
Jul 4, 2016 12:02 AM

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*screams*
What is WRONG with this show??! *sobs* Why must you tug on my emotions?
Why does everything have to break down in the most catastrophic way?

Definitely time for a "Return by death", and hopefully Subaru and Emilia can mend their relationship.
Or, at this point, I'm thinking maybe Subaru x Rem would be the better ship. :P
Rem </3
Jul 4, 2016 12:06 AM

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Oh yeah, the latest episode was golden in it's own right. He's so fucking deluded at this point that he continually kept avoiding reality, like he saw what happened but was actively shutting it out. In the scene with Rem beforehand it was clear that this obsession with Emilia went a lot more deeper than just liking her, at this point it's obvious that the resets has a serious mental toll on him and Emilia is the only thing keeping him together mentally whatsoever at this point. We saw this briefly in episode 8, when he was crying in Emilia's lap. He was already mentally broken at this point, but back then I assumed this was him letting out all his emotions from the previous resets and starting anew. I was wrong, instead he took a more twisted idea about his relationship and it only got worse as it went on. Damn this is great mates, I love it when characters are deeply flawed like this. Hats off to the creator for trying making such a complex character.



At the end of the episode he didn't have a choice, he was forced to recognize it. He has to face reality, and that's exactly what happens at the end. Subaru is a deeply complex and flawed character, I just love where this series is going to so far.
Jul 4, 2016 12:28 AM

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I don't think killing himself is going to make him less crazy (but we know he's gonna have to do it sooner or later anyway). I kind of wonder if he's going to get worse tbh. This episode, he also seemed a lot meaner / colder towards some people (especially Reinhardt).


Oh yes i know, even if he kills himself he will still be crazy, it's psychological and killing himself won't heal that. But maybe watching Rem dead etc...it will help him understand?
I think he will get better in the next episode but he will probably get even more crazy.
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Jul 4, 2016 12:47 AM
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Episodes name - "KKK: Pitch Black Edition"

Well Rem is dead, rewind time ! I actually start to wonder if rewinding isn't the curse itself but rather triggering it by dying or saying about it which causes him descend into madness as result, it makes more sense to me at least.
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As of this episode, I'm officially on the SubaruxRem ship. I'm really starting to hate the weird soap opera drama on the SubaruxEmilia. And after that last episode, I've now gotten really bad opinion of Emilia, despite it being evident that it's mainly Subaru's fault. Rem is now best girl for me. Well, second to Beatrice. Emilia can go suck a nut...
So Subaru... Please. Let it(her) go. That type of love is clearly bad for your health.

P.S. I swear... If this series in the end goes the super generic stereotypical way of having the main hero pair up with the main heroine, despite huge strong fan support for the community's biggest pinch hitter couple (I'm looking at you Oreimo. >.>), this series is going to end up in the trash bin for me...
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The shock factor ALMOST got me... but then I remembered this story has resets...
Boo!
Jul 4, 2016 1:19 AM
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I though subaru's mindbreak will be cure in this episode, but it keep worse and worse

at the half of the episode i just hope rem die and make a wake up slap to Subaru, but at the end with how Rem died, i think subaru insanity will be more worse and worse

i'm curious how the author make subaru to face the reality
Jul 4, 2016 1:34 AM

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I like the new OP, and that was quite the ending
Jul 4, 2016 1:34 AM

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Lol, Subaru just can't learn. Really starting to dislike his decisions and the way he handles things. Same thing over and over.
That mindfuck ending though.
Jul 4, 2016 1:52 AM

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Someday, we will get something resembling an actual story in this show but until then I'll just sit here and continue watching an annoying, obsessive, arrogant character talk all the time.
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Let us all take a moment to mourn over Best Girl Rem-Chan.
Jul 4, 2016 2:18 AM
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Crusch in this ep <3
.. Holy shiiiet, the ending.
I got goosebumps at the end >_>
Rem nooo D,:
Jul 4, 2016 2:24 AM

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Neromon said:
Someday, we will get something resembling an actual story in this show but until then I'll just sit here and continue watching an annoying, obsessive, arrogant character talk all the time.

You can hope he dies.
It's not like he can't die.
He most likely will.
He just won't stay dead.
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Tension was high this episode and I absolutely loved it. Here's to more fucked up stuff happening!
Jul 4, 2016 2:41 AM
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I'm surprised that some people don't see how Subaru not grasping the situation he is in nor learning from last episode is a sign for his mental illness. He is literally mentally broken right now which results in this lost sense of reality.

He has become fanatic in his idea of reality, his idea of truth that he rejects everyone who tries to deny that truth.

On the one side the words of Emilia resonate in his head and keep bringing him down to reality but on the other side Subaru lives in denial towards the truth. This clearly show us that this whole obsession with Emilia is no mere quirk in his personality no it actually has reached a scale where you can call it a mental illness. He rejects anything that goes against his own truth and even the people themselves. He interprets others' attempts at trying to keep him safe as shortsighted or that they think nothing of him. And not only that, he justifies it all by reasons that no one else will ever trust. No one can believe in that or even cares enough about Emilia to be her ally. Note how every person who tried to talk against his own beliefs got majorly rejected by him. Reinhard…Kadomon ( Apple merchant ), Crusch & Ferris and at last Rem. Personally I love that development or rather the negative development as this is how humans are sometimes, especially in a mentally unstable condition. They become stubborn and don’t give up on their belief until they have to pay a prize for it. Of course this is taken to an extreme level in anime but it replicates a natural development.

You can actually see how he starts to develop some kind of escapism when he walks through the village. Subaru opens the door the first time how there is a corpse sitting in the chair but Subaru just stares at it and closes the door. The second door he opens bumps against a corpse. You can hear the foot steps walking through blood. In these very first seconds Subaru lives in denial to what actually has happened here. He started to develop some sort of escapism but got knocked out of it once he physically interacted with one of the corpses and perceived the horror around him completely.

First message I accidentally posted and was deleted.

Anyways I agree with this. Subaru has grown mentally ill over the course of brutal deaths and betrayals. Unlike most anime characters, I think he is the first MC I've seen to be...human-ish.

The one thing I never got was the fact that Subaru's supposed to be a shut-in otaku but no Anime references? At least one "Shitsurei, kamimashita!" Would make me happy, although it wouldn't fit the "Useless and Arrogant Subaru" theme going on throughout this series 😞
Jul 4, 2016 2:46 AM
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man this episode whats going on its too much for me like how its too much for subaru to handle in his situation
Jul 4, 2016 3:19 AM
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Shittt..... why is subaru so selfish with his own decision? Andd i reallly angry about that........ any spoiler for EP 15?
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Jul 4, 2016 3:25 AM

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The hell did I just watched? Everything was fine till then end and then there are those weird guys in masks, the whole town got massacred and Rem gets killed... O.O Subaru is pretty much mentally broken already and this will make him insane, even if he uses his returning by death ability again.
Jul 4, 2016 3:35 AM
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Wow.. This cliffhanger... I have no words, all episode wasvery intense.. Who are theses guys with masks?

Also.. All villagers die..

and..


Jul 4, 2016 4:03 AM

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3) People watch stuff they don't like all the time. It's called being a critic. Well-rounded people don't live in an echo chamber where only things they like are allowed.


I'm sorry so because I only watch anime I enjoy I'm not well rounded and I'm in an Echo chamber? Last time I checked it's normal to not watch stuff you don't enjoy.
Jul 4, 2016 4:14 AM
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Would a kind soul be able to tell me from where I should continue reading the manga? I can't control myself anymore to wait a week x)

From googling it seems it's split up into different Arcs or something? Or would it be better to read the LN? If so then from where to start there? [I'd prefer a finished source of course, if existent in english :P]
Jul 4, 2016 4:20 AM
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I would like to know what kind of torture our characters will be facing in the next episode. Like the physical kind. Chopping your fingers off, rape whatever.
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Those last 3 - 4 minutes of the episode was absolutely shocking. Subaru visited the village and he saw everyone had been murdered and even burned alive. That was such a fucked up sight to see. What's worse is that, once Subaru arrived at the front of the mansion, Rem was lying dead on the ground. What on earth happened?! GRight before Subaru headed to the village, a cloaked person appeared and duplicated. They just bowed before Subaru before disappearing. Could that person be the one behind the curse?

It was nice to see more screen time of Crusch and I'm really liking her as a character. She looked really nice in her outfit while spending time with Subaru. I'm also starting to become a Rem x Subaru shipper. Rem is such a gorgeous and loveable character. That scene where Rem 'heals' Subaru was cute yet bittersweet. These past few episodes where Subaru seems to be making the 'bad' decisions has been frustrating for me but I honestly like that change of pace. It definitely makes him feel more human-like and realistic.

I'm still shocked at the last few minutes of the episode though, god damn that was unexpected and horrific. I love the new OP song and the visuals are amazing. Those hands covering Emilia at the end were so creepy. I also like the insert song at the very end. Man MYTH & ROID's songs are so damn good. Also, I noticed that one character with all those purple hands in the OP.... could that be Roswaal? My god, I hope I'm wrong but geezus...
5/5
Jul 4, 2016 4:35 AM

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So people you've a crush on Crusch.
Jul 4, 2016 4:52 AM
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Better shock value than Another.
Jul 4, 2016 4:57 AM

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Really slow the narrative, Subaru has become "slightly" unpleasant, for my taste, we had a really pejorative evolution of him, hypocrisy and arrogance in its purest form. But the final and was the icing on the cake. Not bad the new opening.
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I would like to know what kind of torture our characters will be facing in the next episode. Like the physical kind. Chopping your fingers off, rape whatever.


or maybe mental torture, such as seeing willage/mansion people got raped or chopped lol
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Kaizo16 said:
Who are theses guys with masks?


My assumption is (spoilered just in case)



As for why would they appear

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If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you?

Not air.
Jul 4, 2016 5:29 AM

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The new OP is cool I liked it.

The ending OMG FUCK NOOO REM!!!!!

Jul 4, 2016 5:29 AM

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Just fucking Restart!!!
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