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Gingkaize said: Ore wa Kabaneri janai!, Kyojin da!! yeah not funny and that's a lie. The two are nothing alike. |
Gingkaize said: lolOre wa Kabaneri janai!, Kyojin da!! MrNTR said: And remember that Mumei is 12.I still don't know how to feel about the action girl (and probably main heroine) chick. At first she annoyed me cuz action girls of this level are such a overrated beyond unrealistic dick-bait shit. Then they explain why she is able to do what she does, which was acceptable but her personality is still kinda annoying. Then this episode shows a softer more vulnerable side of her, which helps. The princess chick is the best girl though. Also, good to see that the obnoxious samurai guy might not be so obnoxious anymore. I mean I can kinda sympathize with why he acted the way he did but he was still obnoxious. Kurusu is the most reasonable character overall, so far. The only issue I had with him is not having a coherent reaction when he found Ikoma on the princess. |
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Darklight0303 said: Not quite sure about that actually. We still don't know what the 'virus' actually is. I mean we know that for Kabaneri the area above the neck usually isn't affected, so even if they are carriers, I doubt they could transfer the 'virus' just through the medium of saliva.Itsalibitch11 said: i really wanted him to bite ayame. tbh that would be unexpectable . Without a machine to turn her into a kabaneri like him that would be a death sentence >_> Darklight0303 said: Well, Mumei is lacking rivets, so I guess there is more than one way to isolate whatever is turning people into Kabane.Like I said, weird sexual tension between those two. I'm sure there'll be plenty of biting.Hahahaha don't forget the whole riveting metal plates to one half of the body depending on where he bit her. Jarjaxle said: Yeah but which one in this gang in the Train knows about it? That Shimon/Simon Priest and Ayame's dad died in episode 1 and took any information to grave...only one is Ayame and she is calling Mumei with "San" AKA Ms/Mr...Not Sama...as far Kurusu and Co. of the Bunshi know..she is just Civilian... True, but still, she doesn't exactly look the part of a civilian. |
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Laionidas said: Darklight0303 said: Not quite sure about that actually. We still don't know what the 'virus' actually is. I mean we know that for Kabaneri the area above the neck usually isn't affected, so even if they are carriers, I doubt they could transfer the 'virus' just through the medium of saliva.Without a machine to turn her into a kabaneri like him that would be a death sentence >_> Darklight0303 said: Well, Mumei is lacking rivets, so I guess there is more than one way to isolate whatever is turning people into Kabane.Like I said, weird sexual tension between those two. I'm sure there'll be plenty of biting.Hahahaha don't forget the whole riveting metal plates to one half of the body depending on where he bit her. Jarjaxle said: Yeah but which one in this gang in the Train knows about it? That Shimon/Simon Priest and Ayame's dad died in episode 1 and took any information to grave...only one is Ayame and she is calling Mumei with "San" AKA Ms/Mr...Not Sama...as far Kurusu and Co. of the Bunshi know..she is just Civilian... True, but still, she doesn't exactly look the part of a civilian. Mumei is a more refined Kabaneri since she also has the kit specifically designed for Kabane extermination and the training. Ikoma is a bootleg Kabaneri pretty much. Bottom line is if he bit Ayame now there was no way to turn her into a Kabaneri. DOesn't matter if there are other ways to do it. Those ways are not applicable on a train that is already bleeding supplies after the premature launch and the attack that happened this episode. |
Darklight0303 said: Mumei is a more refined Kabaneri since she also has the kit specifically designed for Kabane extermination and the training. Ikoma is a bootleg Kabaneri pretty much. Bottom line is if he bit Ayame now there was no way to turn her into a Kabaneri. DOesn't matter if there are other ways to do it. Those ways are not appicable on a train that is already bleeding supplies after the premature launch and the attack that happened this episode. The point is precisely that Ikoma is a bootleg. His reaction when he survived without turning, after being bit, shows he didn't really have a clue what he was doing. For all we know, the rivetting did nothing, and strangling might be enough. Then there I also the argument I made before that Ayame might not even get 'infected' in the first place, even if he bit her. |
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Laionidas said: Darklight0303 said: Mumei is a more refined Kabaneri since she also has the kit specifically designed for Kabane extermination and the training. Ikoma is a bootleg Kabaneri pretty much. Bottom line is if he bit Ayame now there was no way to turn her into a Kabaneri. DOesn't matter if there are other ways to do it. Those ways are not appicable on a train that is already bleeding supplies after the premature launch and the attack that happened this episode. The point is precisely that Ikoma is a bootleg. His reaction when he survived without turning, after being bit, shows he didn't really have a clue what he was doing. For all we know, the rivetting did nothing, and strangling might be enough. Then there I also the argument I made before that Ayame might not even get 'infected' in the first place, even if he bit her. Just the strangling might be enough...did you seriously miss how much FORCE he put into the strangling. The way the collar DUG into his neck that it bled? That's more force than you can get from a rope you know. You either need a machine like Ikoma or you're in kongokaku or wherever Mumei was turned. Strangling simply is not gonna do it. |
Darklight0303 said: Just the strangling might be enough...did you seriously miss how much FORCE he put into the strangling. The way the collar DUG into his neck that it bled? That's more force than you can get from a rope you know. You either need a machine like Ikoma or you're in kongokaku or wherever Mumei was turned. Strangling simply is not gonna do it. It might just as well have been overkill. Ikoma just did a bunch of stuff based on what he thought about how the turning worked. The only thing confirmed, is that something worked, and that it was probably something he did (rather than e.g. genetic resistance). However, we don't know what, and we don't know by how much. |
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Darklight0303 said: Holy I just got ROASTEDGingkaize said: Ore wa Kabaneri janai!, Kyojin da!! yeah not funny and that's a lie. The two are nothing alike. |
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MrNTR said: Yeah it's random shit, just don't give a fuck and you'll be good.What the hell is up with that White engineer throwing in random English words? Just to show off how fluent the VA is in English or that the VA is probably a Westerner? The guy clearly speaks fluent Japanese so it makes no sense whatever. It were words that the Japanese don't have that great an equivalent for than I can at least understand but it seems to just be random shit. |
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MrNTR said: What the hell is up with that White engineer throwing in random English words? Just to show off how fluent the VA is in English or that the VA is probably a Westerner? The guy clearly speaks fluent Japanese so it makes no sense whatever. It were words that the Japanese don't have that great an equivalent for than I can at least understand but it seems to just be random shit. He's blatantly a foreigner. Why is it so hard to understand? |
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MysteriousBanana said: zcv45 said: Well, are we positive those rifles are pure steam rifles?I am indeed thinking too much in to this... but... my counter-argument The industrial revolution is in the 1850s. By then the German needle guns existed which was a bolt-action allowing a much quicker reload. Smokeless powder have no correlation with how they are reloaded. Smokeless powder generally offer more power and well... no smoke. Nothing to do with how the weapon mechanism is operated. This is also around the time leading to the American Civil-war which had revolvers, Gatling guns(hand-cranked machineguns) and rifles. Yes rifles, The accuracy of rifling combined with higher-velocity of conical shaped bullets. There's also the nordenfelt gun and various other burst-firing or rapid firing weapon and quick-loading rifles. They also had much deadlier artillery with explosives in them at that era. Muskets and flintlock mechanism is the 1700s. The series takes place in the industrial revolution, these weapons are accurate and can reliably penetrate defenses. At this point, large stacks of hay no longer offered protection and thick mounds of dirt and layers of wood were required. And yes Japan had these weapons. US, Britain and other western powers supplied Japan with various arms ranging from artillery to guns during the Boshin war. Mostly guns though. Boshin war is during the Meiji restoration, around the time period or slightly after the peak of the industrial revolution. To put it simply, based on the fact that they are fairly modernized with steam locomotives, they should have already entered the Meiji era, so such weapons should exist. So far the only things we've really learned about their weapons are that the bushi rifles use lead bullets and that while doing maintenance on the barrel, the oil they use comes out black - so either they're using contaminated oil to lubricate/clean their weapons or it's being contaminated during maintenance (by rust? lead shavings? gunpowder residue?); we also know that Ikoma's weapon uses both steam power and explosive charges, so that establishes it's possible for both to exist in a weapon (in the KnK world, that is). They fire way too quickly for steam powered rifle, doubly so when they have such a small steam (engine?) pack on their back. I'm wondering if they're not actually gunpowder weapons, but the steam is used in lieu of a spring system to chamber the the gunpowder and bullet whenever they pull the charging handle. Could be, but I don't think it is possible in real life. That is, pairing gunpowder with steam is something one should avoid at all costs - it could only amount to a mess or won't be a fire arm at all. This is why what the first user said was relevant - regardless the preceding development of capsule-detonators or even fire arms in general, smokeless GP changes everything about the weapon in a every way GP bullets did worse - the firing range, rate, impact, maintenance and usage. I do think using steam pressure in a steampunk setting was meant to serve only as an alternative development of real life fire arms and actually Ikoma's gun is indeed improvement of sorts. @opiktea Before we achieve logic, let's work on consistency. I declare that Japan had or could have fire arms at that time. Now, where in Japan's history they had a zombie apocalypse or how come you are certain my grand-grandfather's rifle would kill a kabane. I actually agree that fire arms are better choice of weapons than steampunk imaginary weapons, for the sheer reason I can test only something that is real. I mean, if we pretend to use logic, how logical is to complain about consistency in something that was meant to be fictional by demanding to fit reality (or reality in past, it doesn't really matter which). |
MrNTR said: to insult white people of course, what else?What the hell is up with that White engineer throwing in random English words? Just to show off how fluent the VA is in English or that the VA is probably a Westerner? The guy clearly speaks fluent Japanese so it makes no sense whatever. It were words that the Japanese don't have that great an equivalent for than I can at least understand but it seems to just be random shit. |
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zellami said: Could be, but I don't think it is possible in real life. That is, pairing gunpowder with steam is something one should avoid at all costs - it could only amount to a mess or won't be a fire arm at all. This is why what the first user said was relevant - regardless the preceding development of capsule-detonators or even fire arms in general, smokeless GP changes everything about the weapon in a every way GP bullets did worse - the firing range, rate, impact, maintenance and usage. I do think using steam pressure in a steampunk setting was meant to serve only as an alternative development of real life fire arms and actually Ikoma's gun is indeed improvement of sorts. @opiktea Before we achieve logic, let's work on consistency. I declare that Japan had or could have fire arms at that time. Now, where in Japan's history they had a zombie apocalypse or how come you are certain my grand-grandfather's rifle would kill a kabane. I actually agree that fire arms are better choice of weapons than steampunk imaginary weapons, for the sheer reason I can test only something that is real. I mean, if we pretend to use logic, how logical is to complain about consistency in something that was meant to be fictional by demanding to fit reality (or reality in past, it doesn't really matter which). Fair enough! the use of gun is never the problem in this story. But how they treat the technological setting to their convinience. Like gunpowder for suicide bag when there is a lot of swords everywhere! There's harakiri already, but instead of using this element they invent suicide bags, of course there won't be a technical error to the bags (if should that it won't penetrate the chestplate bone) meanwhile sword... pretend to use logic? i pretend not. As i said, a lot of people probably investing their emotion in this series, within a hope to be entertained, fooled by the trick, escape from reality even? well the point is, fictional work need not to be stupid to be entertaining. There's lot of reason why lord of the ring was praised because of its mythology. Also lot of reason twilight saga was criticized to be overrated. If we evaluate one thing to another, it comes to the value system. It comes to question 'what is good' and 'what is bad'. But the answer is always common sense, so the better, deserves better praise... the bad, deserves the opposite. |
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MysteriousBanana said: zellami said: Could be, but I don't think it is possible in real life. That is, pairing gunpowder with steam is something one should avoid at all costs - it could only amount to a mess or won't be a fire arm at all. This is why what the first user said was relevant - regardless the preceding development of capsule-detonators or even fire arms in general, smokeless GP changes everything about the weapon in a every way GP bullets did worse - the firing range, rate, impact, maintenance and usage. I do think using steam pressure in a steampunk setting was meant to serve only as an alternative development of real life fire arms and actually Ikoma's gun is indeed improvement of sorts. Fair enough, it's why I put the caveat "in the KnK world, at least" :) I do have to wonder why they have barrels of gunpowder laying around then, seems unlikely they would need to make more than one per person. Perhaps it's for the cannons on the engine car. I did notice some turret looking sections on the train. Maybe it's for those. |
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Madara22 said: If they did that Ikoma won't be that "special" anymore, also there's to consider the supplement of blood.The thing they should be doing is creating a Kabaneri army using Ikomo's device !! And also make more of Ikomo's piercing gun. |
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zal said: Madara22 said: If they did that Ikoma won't be that "special" anymore, also there's to consider the supplement of blood.The thing they should be doing is creating a Kabaneri army using Ikomo's device !! And also make more of Ikomo's piercing gun. Lolz I feel really stupid now, I totally forgot about the blood. :D Also there'd be less humans that way and less reproduction since humans get bit pretty often. |
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Madara22 said: The problem is that might not be a very reliable way to become a kabaneri. And Ikoma's device is way back in a station overrun by kabane, so it would be kinda difficult to get back to.The thing they should be doing is creating a Kabaneri army using Ikomo's device !! And also make more of Ikomo's piercing gun. |
Phoebe3315 said: Madara22 said: The problem is that might not be a very reliable way to become a kabaneri. And Ikoma's device is way back in a station overrun by kabane, so it would be kinda difficult to get back to.The thing they should be doing is creating a Kabaneri army using Ikomo's device !! And also make more of Ikomo's piercing gun. They could always re-create it, but I didn't consider the supply of blood they would need just to stay functional. |
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Madara22 said: An issue of the gun is that it is very bulky, hard to manage and slow. If it can shoot from far away it can be viable but until now there has been always contact between the gun and kabane. Non mc characters can't use the gun because the kabane wouldn't await for them to shoot like with Ikoma.Phoebe3315 said: The problem is that might not be a very reliable way to become a kabaneri. And Ikoma's device is way back in a station overrun by kabane, so it would be kinda difficult to get back to. They could always re-create it, but I didn't consider the supply of blood they would need just to stay functional. |
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Bowgli said: .... except Mumei pointed out that Ikoma's COLLAR is playing the role of her ribbon. So you have no basis for that whatsoever.Madara22 said: The thing they should be doing is creating a Kabaneri army using Ikomo's device !! And also make more of Ikomo's piercing gun. Ikoma's device did nothing. It's not a virus. It's a curse and the stone Ikoma holding acts like a charm to stop the curse like Mumei's ribbon. |
Bowgli said: Madara22 said: The thing they should be doing is creating a Kabaneri army using Ikomo's device !! And also make more of Ikomo's piercing gun. Ikoma's device did nothing. It's not a virus. It's a curse and the stone Ikoma holding acts like a charm to stop the curse like Mumei's ribbon. Something emtional, that reminds them of their past in physical form is that a way to stop the cure from progressing?? I thought it was his neck bracelet or whatever it is called. |
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zal said: I wouldn't say Ikoma's gun isn't viable...obviously the guns the bushi use can't pierce the heart. It may be a bit bulky, but it's still not hard to use with one hand. Then the other arm can be used to hold the kabane's head away as Ikoma did in the first episode. And of course other people can use it, they just have to be careful.An issue of the gun is that it is very bulky, hard to manage and slow. If it can shoot from far away it can be viable but until now there has been always contact between the gun and kabane. Non mc characters can't use the gun because the kabane wouldn't await for them to shoot like with Ikoma. Mumei's weapons can kill kabane from a short distance, but unlike Ikoma's weapon, I'm pretty sure only kabaneri can use it. She's never attempted to use them without her limiter off suggesting they require a great amount of strength to use. |
Phoebe3315 said: zal said: I wouldn't say Ikoma's gun isn't viable...obviously the guns the bushi use can't pierce the heart. It may be a bit bulky, but it's still not hard to use with one hand. Then the other arm can be used to hold the kabane's head away as Ikoma did in the first episode. And of course other people can use it, they just have to be careful.An issue of the gun is that it is very bulky, hard to manage and slow. If it can shoot from far away it can be viable but until now there has been always contact between the gun and kabane. Non mc characters can't use the gun because the kabane wouldn't await for them to shoot like with Ikoma. Mumei's weapons can kill kabane from a short distance, but unlike Ikoma's weapon, I'm pretty sure only kabaneri can use it. She's never attempted to use them without her limiter off suggesting they require a great amount of strength to use. I imagine they might have quite the kickback since they need to pack a fierce punch to break through the heart cages. |
Phoebe3315 said: If you need the short range to shoot the kabane it is not viable. If it can pierce kabane from like 5-10 meters it is. You mean the kabane in the first episode that had its arms stay still while Ikoma was preparing to shoot,? yeah, that's not going to happen so smoothly with minor characters.zal said: I wouldn't say Ikoma's gun isn't viable...obviously the guns the bushi use can't pierce the heart. It may be a bit bulky, but it's still not hard to use with one hand. Then the other arm can be used to hold the kabane's head away as Ikoma did in the first episode. And of course other people can use it, they just have to be careful.An issue of the gun is that it is very bulky, hard to manage and slow. If it can shoot from far away it can be viable but until now there has been always contact between the gun and kabane. Non mc characters can't use the gun because the kabane wouldn't await for them to shoot like with Ikoma. Mumei's weapons can kill kabane from a short distance, but unlike Ikoma's weapon, I'm pretty sure only kabaneri can use it. She's never attempted to use them without her limiter off suggesting they require a great amount of strength to use. |
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Bowgli said: Darklight0303 said: .... except Mumei pointed out that Ikoma's COLLAR is playing the role of her ribbon. So you have no basis for that whatsoever. Mumei said "probably" All she really knows is somehow her ribbon is stopping the curse. How could you even compare a choking device to a ribbon anyway? Episode 1 clearly shows Ikoma's cutting the bloodflow bullshit is not working and the curse is still spreading through until it reached the stone he is holding. Clearly? In your head maybe. |
zal said: No. It is still viable. Think about it. If many people on the train this episode had a replica of Ikoma's gun, even if they are bitten, they could still kill some of the kabane. That woman Ikoma watched die who was sitting there screaming might actually try to shoot the wazatori if she had that gun, she was given plenty of time. Meanwhile the bushi's guns would not be able to kill any of them.Phoebe3315 said: If you need the short range to shoot the kabane it is not viable. If it can pierce kabane from like 5-10 meters it is. You mean the kabane in the first episode that had its arms stay still while Ikoma was preparing to shoot,? yeah, that's not going to happen so smoothly with minor characters.I wouldn't say Ikoma's gun isn't viable...obviously the guns the bushi use can't pierce the heart. It may be a bit bulky, but it's still not hard to use with one hand. Then the other arm can be used to hold the kabane's head away as Ikoma did in the first episode. And of course other people can use it, they just have to be careful. Mumei's weapons can kill kabane from a short distance, but unlike Ikoma's weapon, I'm pretty sure only kabaneri can use it. She's never attempted to use them without her limiter off suggesting they require a great amount of strength to use. |
Phoebe3315 said: Well, sure that gun is more viable than the bushi's guns or no gun at all. I was mainly thinking about a 1 vs 1 scenario. In the case of the train it is viable because the amount of kabaneri is quite limited. I am doubtful about its viability in the invasion scenario where the kabane are a lot.zal said: No. It is still viable. Think about it. If many people on the train this episode had a replica of Ikoma's gun, even if they are bitten, they could still kill some of the kabane. That woman Ikoma watched die who was sitting there screaming might actually try to shoot the wazatori if she had that gun, she was given plenty of time. Meanwhile the bushi's guns would not be able to kill any of them.If you need the short range to shoot the kabane it is not viable. If it can pierce kabane from like 5-10 meters it is. You mean the kabane in the first episode that had its arms stay still while Ikoma was preparing to shoot,? yeah, that's not going to happen so smoothly with minor characters. |
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zal said: In an invasion scenario with lots of kabane, yeah it won't be quite as useful. Still, it can easily kill kabane without having to be reloaded often. If someone is bitten they could go in without really having to worry anymore (because they're gonna die anyway) and kill as many as possible.Phoebe3315 said: Well, sure that gun is more viable than the bushi's guns or no gun at all. I was mainly thinking about a 1 vs 1 scenario. In the case of the train it is viable because the amount of kabaneri is quite limited. I am doubtful about its viability in the invasion scenario where the kabane are a lot.No. It is still viable. Think about it. If many people on the train this episode had a replica of Ikoma's gun, even if they are bitten, they could still kill some of the kabane. That woman Ikoma watched die who was sitting there screaming might actually try to shoot the wazatori if she had that gun, she was given plenty of time. Meanwhile the bushi's guns would not be able to kill any of them. |
Bowgli said: Right now it's unclear whether the stone itself had anything to with stopping the curse/virus from taking Ikoma over. From what was shown, it's suggested the influence it had on his mental state might have had something to do with it, but it's (as far as we know) a regular river stone. Maybe the stone itself had something to do with it, however I will guarantee you the curse/virus would have taken Ikoma over had he not strangled himself.Are you blind or what? Episode 1 clearly shows that Ikoma cutting the bloodflow isn't working at all. The curse is still spreading and it only stopped when it reached the stone in his hand. |
richard360 said: They were not break dancing. The train hit a large rock, which caused the train to be hit upwards a bit. The 'jump' traveled like a wave throughout the train, throwing Ikoma, Mumei, and some kabane into the air. Ikoma killed one, Mumei jumped off of him, and killed three more airborne kabane (jumping off each one as she did) before landing back on the train.Lol this show makes me realize I'm starting to get too outgrow watching anime. normally i can completely ignore most anime's utter disregard for the laws of physics but for some reason while watching these guys break dance on top of a moving train i could stop questioning the lack of sense it made. I'll admit that realistically, this wouldn't happen and it's kinda crazy. This part could have been removed and nothing else in the episode would have to change. So do you know why the writers/director decided to have this happen? Because they aren't afraid to disregard some logic in order to entertain the audience. Considering most people I've seen loved this part, I'd say they were successful. This isn't the show for you if you'd prefer things to be as realistic as in real life. |
Blackziel said: at 13:17 in the train start a music in the back ground anyone know its name? flowing blood  GET READY ON NEXT EPISODE!! KABANE TITAN IS COMING! MY PREDICTION = mumei will fight this old man...! this oldman can change into a kabane!  AND MUMEI WILL LOSE?   [url]http://pickupaccessories.info/archives/59630263.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter[/url] oh yah based on the prescreens episode 5 is going to bE a GODLY EPISODE! |
moncikoma said: Blackziel said: at 13:17 in the train start a music in the back ground anyone know its name? flowing blood GET READY ON NEXT EPISODE!! KABANE TITAN IS COMING! MY PREDICTION = mumei will fight this old man...! this oldman can change into a kabane! AND MUMEI WILL LOSE? That guy looks like Snake.... |
opiktea said: zellami said: Could be, but I don't think it is possible in real life. That is, pairing gunpowder with steam is something one should avoid at all costs - it could only amount to a mess or won't be a fire arm at all. This is why what the first user said was relevant - regardless the preceding development of capsule-detonators or even fire arms in general, smokeless GP changes everything about the weapon in a every way GP bullets did worse - the firing range, rate, impact, maintenance and usage. I do think using steam pressure in a steampunk setting was meant to serve only as an alternative development of real life fire arms and actually Ikoma's gun is indeed improvement of sorts. @opiktea Before we achieve logic, let's work on consistency. I declare that Japan had or could have fire arms at that time. Now, where in Japan's history they had a zombie apocalypse or how come you are certain my grand-grandfather's rifle would kill a kabane. I actually agree that fire arms are better choice of weapons than steampunk imaginary weapons, for the sheer reason I can test only something that is real. I mean, if we pretend to use logic, how logical is to complain about consistency in something that was meant to be fictional by demanding to fit reality (or reality in past, it doesn't really matter which). Fair enough! the use of gun is never the problem in this story. But how they treat the technological setting to their convinience. Like gunpowder for suicide bag when there is a lot of swords everywhere! There's harakiri already, but instead of using this element they invent suicide bags, of course there won't be a technical error to the bags (if should that it won't penetrate the chestplate bone) meanwhile sword... In this episode the big Bushi guy urges Kurusu to bring his katana and being a trained samurai and try to perform close combat (as the Kabaneri did). If you'd notice, Kurusu was cutting off limbs and has made slashes, but didn't try piercing the heart. He did that only against the Wazatori, where his katana broke. So, the use of common cold weapons doesn't have an effect - it helps slow kabane down and buy time, but katana don't kill them and would be fairly quickly damaged. It worked with Kurusu, who's a brave man with skills, but definitely didn't with Kuranosuke and the others - I think fear and experience here are a good explanation why they were hesitant to even try (using theirs). The suicide bag is a different sort of a beast. From a technical point of view, it's the only device completely realistic along with the trains :)) The purpose of the suicide bag is to be 100% efficient in blowing the human heart and preferably exploding the body to bits. And this is because the virus would have nothing to work with and turn the human into kabane. I don't remember the difference between seppuku and hara-kiri, but let say they are different forms of disembowelment, the heart would remain intact and the person wouldn't die instantly. If by chance the person gets bitten by a kabane during this time, most likely the virus will kick in, which would render this procedure not only useless, but extremely painful. (I'll put aside how psychologically taxing is stabbing yourself to death). So, the suicide bag is a good option to Rokkon Shoujo in afterlife without being turned into kabane - it is fast and it is simple to apply. So either this or self-decapitation. Trust me or not, but I don't think the latter is easy to do even with katana. pretend to use logic? i pretend not. As i said, a lot of people probably investing their emotion in this series, within a hope to be entertained, fooled by the trick, escape from reality even? well the point is, fictional work need not to be stupid to be entertaining. There's lot of reason why lord of the ring was praised because of its mythology. Also lot of reason twilight saga was criticized to be overrated. If we evaluate one thing to another, it comes to the value system. It comes to question 'what is good' and 'what is bad'. But the answer is always common sense, so the better, deserves better praise... the bad, deserves the opposite. On the behalf of Tolkien's fans, thank you for the high regard :) But if LotR was an anime adaptation, I can imagine the Dead Army being targeted as an asspull, and if we talk about value system, it would amount to a "generic" asspull at best (the Undead saved the fucking Middle Earth, wtf, etc.). [Haven't seen the Twilight saga and if it is that popular vampire romance, I ... spare me]. Well, I would embrace any fictional work made plausible (=not stupid), but I think there are things that can be explained better in their context. There's some line, which we can't so freely cross, but if this line is thinner, yeah, it is better (for everyone). |
zellamiMay 8, 2016 2:16 PM
MysteriousBanana said: The "ani-sama" she refers to is likely the shogun. She lost her real family and the shogun took her in when he realized her value as a half-kabane weapon. Hmmm,.. Mumei becoming Ikoma's replacement sister would benefit the Ikoma x Ayame ship in any case. Not that that's a ship I'm particularly fond of myself, but like I said before: there's definitely some tension between those two. |
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Bowgli said: What? In episode 2, Ikoma says "I stopped the virus right at the neck. It's exactly what we studied." I know it showed the virus spread up his neck, but it still stopped before his head (for the most part). The visuals in that scene suggest that it fades because of the strangling.Phoebe3315 said: Right now it's unclear whether the stone itself had anything to with stopping the curse/virus from taking Ikoma over. From what was shown, it's suggested the influence it had on his mental state might have had something to do with it, but it's (as far as we know) a regular river stone. Maybe the stone itself had something to do with it, however I will guarantee you the curse/virus would have taken Ikoma over had he not strangled himself. I don't even know if we are watching the same thing. Episode 1 already showed strangling doesn't work and the purple stuff still goes beyond the parts where he cuts the bloodflow and it also goes beyond his neck. It only stopped when the purple stuff reached the stone in his hand. Ikoma himself said in episode 2 that what he did didn't work at all and he was confused. Ikoma's stone also somehow hurts Mumei which clearly implies it's magical and have something to do with the Kabane curse. When Mumei says in episode 3 "It hurts when I get hit by it." I'm pretty sure it's just because it hurts her a bit to hit something so hard, not necessarily because it has something to do with the curse. If even touching it through the glove would hurt her, why didn't she seem hurt at all when Ikoma grabbed her arm with his right hand after she ran off because she sensed a kabane (the pregnant woman) in the train? Again, it could be magical, we don't know yet, but there's no proof that it is thus far. |
Phoebe3315May 8, 2016 3:17 PM
| After a stellar first couple episodes, I felt episode 3 really was a let-down. The first part of this was too, especially with how overbearing all the Kabaneri hate was getting from the masses.. Then the second half of the episode happened. 10/10 soundtrack, 10/10 animation quality. The introduction of the Wazatori as an alternate and more badass type of Kabane was a big surprise and a welcome addition. Can't wait to see future fights. Ikoma still gets on my nerves what with the whole "save everybody" cliche. Ayame has had some great character growth after looking like a helpless princess in episode 1, and that steampunk bow was sick. I'm even starting to like Kurusu... what is this, ACTUAL character development? I'm digging it. Mumei is as badass as ever. Can't wait for next week. It can only go up from here with more fights and the characters becoming more and more proficient at Kabane killing. |
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