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kymano said: Darklight0303 said: More believable? You still spout that kind of bullshit after what he did in Season one saving the proclaimed killer of the princess which surprise surprise got the princess almost killed. If Inaho is too perfect to be human, Slaine is too fuckin retarded to be human. And Inaho is doing any better by allowing the Earth forces access to the Deucalion?Inaho took advantage of a rather confused Asseylum who is caught inbetween a crossfire by her own Martians and Earthlings , tells her to side with Earthlings that almost got her killed by an Earthling.Nah Inaho aint perfect, he's a freaking selfish retard, a lapdog to the UFE.Atleast Slaine stood up against Vers Empire why Inaho rolls around being the UFE's loyal bitch. Still living in that fanfic world I see. |
kymano said: Darklight0303 said: More believable? You still spout that kind of bullshit after what he did in Season one saving the proclaimed killer of the princess which surprise surprise got the princess almost killed. If Inaho is too perfect to be human, Slaine is too fuckin retarded to be human. And Inaho is doing any better by allowing the Earth forces access to the Deucalion?Inaho took advantage of a rather confused Asseylum who is caught inbetween a crossfire by her own Martians and Earthlings , tells her to side with Earthlings that almost got her killed by an Earthling.Nah Inaho aint perfect, he's a freaking selfish retard, a lapdog to the UFE.Atleast Slaine stood up against Vers Empire why Inaho rolls around being the UFE's loyal bitch. The princess was willingly helping the UFE meaning its not taking advantage of her, its cooperation. Besides if he truly was just a "lapdog" of the UFE he would not have tried to save the princess this episode. |
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kymano said: Darklight0303 said: Still living in that fanfic world I see. Funny i asked if Inaho did any better and you fail to answer it correctly! Is it shame you are feeling when you realised your "starboy" just screwed up everybody and try to lay off as "oh you're precious to me , princess". Inaho got problems. Nope. I just know you are nothing but a wall who can't see logic or reason even if it was the size of the sun and staring you in the face. Your very argument destroys itself from the start and you don't even realize it. Typical behavior of a delusional Slaine defender. |
Raziel1991 said: kymano said: And Inaho is doing any better by allowing the Earth forces access to the Deucalion?Inaho took advantage of a rather confused Asseylum who is caught inbetween a crossfire by her own Martians and Earthlings , tells her to side with Earthlings that almost got her killed by an Earthling.Nah Inaho aint perfect, he's a freaking selfish retard, a lapdog to the UFE.Atleast Slaine stood up against Vers Empire why Inaho rolls around being the UFE's loyal bitch. The princess was willingly helping the UFE meaning its not taking advantage of her, its cooperation. Besides if he truly was just a "lapdog" of the UFE he would not have tried to save the princess this episode. Eeexactly. Lets recap for the sake of those slower of intelect. Slaine finds out Sazbaum will stop at nothing to kill the princess. Proceeds to save Sazbaum shortly after. Gets the princess shot up. Inaho finds out that UFE sent a commando squad to kill the princess. He goes down to the Moon base in person to prevent said assassination. |
Raziel1991 said: The princess was willingly helping the UFE meaning its not taking advantage of her, its cooperation. Besides if he truly was just a "lapdog" of the UFE he would not have tried to save the princess this episode. Frankly, though she was willing to cooperate, her speech looked like she was used to me. That she was ok with being used, doesn't change the fact that she was under the terrans' control. I mean, it was so very dangerous for her. And the moment they transmitted her speech, it was intercepted by Saazbaum and he commenced the attack. She also publicly antagonized her knights, which would cause her many problems even without Saaz. |
kymano said: Darklight0303 said: Eeexactly. Lets recap for the sake of those slower of intelect. Slaine finds out Sazbaum will stop at nothing to kill the princess. Proceeds to save Sazbaum shortly after. Gets the princess shot up. Inaho finds out that UFE sent a commando squad to kill the princess. He goes down to the Moon base in person to prevent said assassination. Okay lets recap this episode Inaho finds out the UFE will stop at nothing to assassinate the princess, being the only one who can activate/de-activate the Deucalion.He chose to let them use the proceed using the Deucalion and infiltrate the Moon base. Prevent?Inaho just leap along the moon base avoiding fellow terran assassins, he's not even trying to slow them down nor elude them.If it wasnt for Klankain Asseylum would be dead so how actually useful was Inaho's strategy? kymano said: Darklight0303 said: Eeexactly. Lets recap for the sake of those slower of intelect. Slaine finds out Sazbaum will stop at nothing to kill the princess. Proceeds to save Sazbaum shortly after. Gets the princess shot up. Inaho finds out that UFE sent a commando squad to kill the princess. He goes down to the Moon base in person to prevent said assassination. Okay lets recap this episode Inaho finds out the UFE will stop at nothing to assassinate the princess, being the only one who can activate/de-activate the Deucalion.He chose to let them use the proceed using the Deucalion and infiltrate the Moon base. Prevent?Inaho just leap along the moon base avoiding fellow terran assassins, he's not even trying to slow them down nor elude them.If it wasnt for Klankain Asseylum would be dead so how actually useful was Inaho's strategy? You talk as if a lowly soldier has any authority to disobey direct orders from his superiors. You realize him saying no would only make them lock him up and send Deucalion up on their own? Inaho could be safely incarcerated and Deucalion would not suffer from a functional standpoint. Avoiding? He was prioritizing getting to Asseylum over fighting TRAINED COMMANDOS WHO OUTNUMBERED HIM. The stray survivor of the command squad finding the princess was an element that absolutely NO one without future sight could have predicted. So again. You continue to live in your deluded little fanfic. Doesn't change the truth. Inaho has done the optimal best to deal with the assassination threat on Asseylum whereas Slaine only ended up making it happen and is in fact the reason why this current assassination attempt is even taking place. |
Darklight0303Mar 18, 2015 5:53 PM
deadoptimist said: Raziel1991 said: The princess was willingly helping the UFE meaning its not taking advantage of her, its cooperation. Besides if he truly was just a "lapdog" of the UFE he would not have tried to save the princess this episode. Frankly, though she was willing to cooperate, her speech looked like she was used to me. That she was ok with being used, doesn't change the fact that she was under the terrans' control. I mean, it was so very dangerous for her. And the moment they transmitted her speech, it was intercepted by Saazbaum and he commenced the attack. She also publicly antagonized her knights, which would cause her many problems even without Saaz. It only antagonized those who either wanted the war or were not loyal to her to begin with. SO no that wouldn't cause any problems that weren't already there. |
Darklight0303 said: deadoptimist said: Frankly, though she was willing to cooperate, her speech looked like she was used to me. That she was ok with being used, doesn't change the fact that she was under the terrans' control. I mean, it was so very dangerous for her. And the moment they transmitted her speech, it was intercepted by Saazbaum and he commenced the attack. She also publicly antagonized her knights, which would cause her many problems even without Saaz. It only antagonized those who either wanted the war or were not loyal to her to begin with. SO no that wouldn't cause any problems that weren't already there. Personally, I'm still disappointed that no war-crazy Alien/Terran ever has tried to kill her again. (The assassination attempt recently was by the win-war faction, and the original one failed miserably) |
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Darklight0303 said: It only antagonized those who either wanted the war or were not loyal to her to begin with. SO no that wouldn't cause any problems that weren't already there. Theoretically it could. The loyal counts are not aware that there're those who want to kill her among them, so they'd be very discontent that she talks to them from a terran base and demands peace. The conclusion would be that she is a hostage, cause it is strange for her to side with terrans. If they learn that she chose to stay with the terrans willingly, it won't make them happy, no matter the reason. And the loyal knights mostly also want war, everybody does, as Cruhteo said. But that was not the main point. |
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Viktor_Otaku said: Kaioshin_Sama said: This show really lacks a strong central character that can sort of play the voice of reason. It's like everyone in this universe has kind of been lobotomized in the way, almost nobody in a position to really do anything feels at all like a rational human being. If I had to think of anyone who says the things most frequently that seem to be things a somewhat rational human being might say in the situation they are in the only name that really comes to mind is Yuki and that's really about it. It's like we're at the end of another Aniplex mecha series and everyone in the universe is a huge asshole with nobody to really root for or be particularly concerned as to their final fate. Like does Slaine die? Does Inaho die? Does the princess....again? I don't really care, I'd sooner leave it to their apparently extremely bitterly divided fanbases (though I have to admit I've been puzzled about the extremely strong feelings both I guess camps seem to have as neither are particularly compelling to me) to sort out. Personally I wouldn't particularly mind a double KO that takes both ridiculous male leads out. They really botched the idea of the whole rivalry between the two characters in any case. Whereas Amuro and Char were pretty compelling as an example it's the utter failure of these two to be developed naturally and into characters whose shoes you can truly place yourself in (I don't mean self insert, I mean relate to as human beings) and then try to par down and focus the entire conflict pretty much around their drawn out duel that sunk this show for me more than anything in the long run whereas everything else about it is just kind of okay or fairly standard. Praise the lord, finally another person can actually see the light beyond the hate. Jokes aside. IMO, both characters (Slaine and Inaho) both lacks a certain characteristic which would had completed the other. 1)Inaho has the intentions (duh,he is on the "good side"). We get an idea of what he wants. But all through out the story, we had not seen him done any thing which could had possibly forward the idea. No game changing proposal towards the UEF council for any proposal of an alternative towards the war. We just see him go along with the flow of things. Neither does this events caused him to change his mind set or personality, made worse with the fact that his character remains terribly static and broken. 2) Slaine had so far into season 2 dictated the majority of the events, almost every single major event that shaped the storyline, he had started it. But uptill now we still have not a clear idea of his intentions beyond the whole " Challenging the Vers society" thing and all. This black hole in the plot is not really helping either. He had experienced character development and such, but to what cause ? And him being on the opposite end of the chess boards means that many viewers would automatically characterize him as a punch card villain which in all honesty does not hold true all the time. Because the writers had failed to clarify on these critical issues, we are left with just the rivalry and fight scenes between the 2. Which of course on its own gives plenty of ammunition and scraps for fanboys and haters on both sides to fight and wage war with. I am with you on the whole "both Slaine and Inaho" dies part, at least it would cut the loose ends of the series to some extent. I just think it comes down to more than just the bitch fit between the two characters fanbases which I honestly don't understand because frankly nothing about either is particularly compelling enough to really warrant such hostility. It reminds me of waifu wars to be honest and just feels so utterly beside the point. I don't know, nice to see people appreciating my posts cause usually I'm just told to get the fuck out of threads for refusing to play ball by just following the general course of the discussion. I guess to further summarize my problems with the shows two lead characters it would come down to the simple fact that I simply do not buy Inaho's apparent feelings for and devotion to rescuing Asseylum since they really just did not share all that much meaningful interaction. Also he just seems to be fighting the war for the sake of it because it's what he does, otherwise he kind of seems to lack any sort of real conviction or drive. He's not an interesting lead beyond being some sort of apparent combat prodigy by this universes standards. Slaine on the other hand I do by his relationship with the Princess, but I still have a hard time seeing the logic on how he decided to go from the point where he was at the end of the first season and how he ends up where he is now. His character just did not seem to be going in that sort of direction at all really in season 1 and with season 2 it just seems like they had to find someway to have a villain and make it him so he is very hastily ushered to the top of the Orbital Knights power structure in a matter of episodes and is pretty much balls out crazy from there on following some sort of version of Saazbaum's (another really wasted character with plenty of potential IMO) plans that really didn't make a whole lot of sense. In any case these shows really need to stop being split up so artificially into halves where things seem to change course so wildly during second seasons. I also think it was a bad idea to come up with all of this back story stuff and for the universe and cast and then honestly barely use. It reminds me of Gundam Seed Destiny where this bitter conflict is going on in the background that is sidelined for the simple dramas of a rather uncompelling and at times even annoying cast. |
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skudoops said: Darklight0303 said: More believable? You still spout that kind of bullshit after what he did in Season one saving the proclaimed killer of the princess which surprise surprise got the princess almost killed. If Inaho is too perfect to be human, Slaine is too fuckin retarded to be human. You realize being a very flawed person is more believable than being a perfect one right? Quick query: do we need to believe anything about these characters in order to watch the show? And in addition, why would you complain more about a perfect character rather than an extremely flawed one? |
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swn32 said: kymano said: I never said Inaho against the assassins , I said why dont Inaho confront the UFE (as in their government) about the order of the assassination. Slaine stood against Crutheo and even Saazbaum in not helping either of them find Asseylum, Inaho on the other hand played doggy and let the UFE play him.Oh now he wants to prevent the assassination attempt AFTER he made them use the Deucalion and head out into space? Such garbage. The UFE didn't even inform Deucalion about the assassination. They discovered that on their own. There weren't in any position to confront them. Unfortunately, it wouldn't work out. Even Inaho needs time to get blackmail for high level ranked terran officials! |
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skudoops said: Darklight0303 said: More believable? You still spout that kind of bullshit after what he did in Season one saving the proclaimed killer of the princess which surprise surprise got the princess almost killed. If Inaho is too perfect to be human, Slaine is too fuckin retarded to be human. You realize being a very flawed person is more believable than being a perfect one right? Gotta agree with skudoops here. Pretty sure there's more Slaines than Inahos present in our world. Honestly, and probably cynically, there's a lot of people who do things against their own (or their friend/lover/family/whatever's) best interest all the time. To the point of ruining their lives, even. |
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ANGRY2011 said: skudoops said: You realize being a very flawed person is more believable than being a perfect one right? Gotta agree with skudoops here. Pretty sure there's more Slaines than Inahos present in our world. Honestly, and probably cynically, there's a lot of people who do things against their own (or their friend/lover/family/whatever's) best interest all the time. To the point of ruining their lives, even. Here's the thing. Those people end up in a fucking institution. Not get a piggy back ride up a social ladder. So no. Slaine is still just as unrealistic as Inaho. There are examples of natural born geniuses in history. Retardation on Slaine's level either leads to death or being interned in a fuckin asylum where they can't hurt anyone |
Darklight0303 said: Here's the thing. Those people end up in a fucking institution. Not get a piggy back ride up a social ladder. So no. Slaine is still just as unrealistic as Inaho. There are examples of natural born geniuses in history. Retardation on Slaine's level either leads to death or being interned in a fuckin asylum where they can't hurt anyone If you really believe that, you have too much faith in "the system." |
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Darklight0303 said: Here's the thing. Those people end up in a fucking institution. Not get a piggy back ride up a social ladder. So no. Slaine is still just as unrealistic as Inaho. There are examples of natural born geniuses in history. Retardation on Slaine's level either leads to death or being interned in a fuckin asylum where they can't hurt anyone Nah, they're everywhere- on all levels of society. Slaine has enough of whatever ability to stay at power at least for some time, it's the same for them. swn32 said: Knight-Artorias said: dat yoyo though dat yukineexinaho hug though Oh, I am so doing a gif of Slaine's facepalm and using it everywhere. It's like he is saying "f**ck this writing, I can't anymore". There is a perfect gif form when he looks into the binoculars and freaks out (very useful) and now this. Mm. It seems that Inaho doesn't have decency to stay out or suffer for a bit more (for the sake of balance at least). No Lemrina or Harklight - I guess they're sidelined forever. The yo-yo robot... sigh. Rayet with a phone in a cabin of a battlerobot? Lmao, I hope it's on the plane mode. Other than that: Hm, kymano has a point. To what safety was Inaho planning to take Asseylum, if UEF wants her dead (very logically)? |
Darklight0303 said: Here's the thing. Those people end up in a fucking institution. Not get a piggy back ride up a social ladder. So no. Slaine is still just as unrealistic as Inaho. There are examples of natural born geniuses in history. Retardation on Slaine's level either leads to death or being interned in a fuckin asylum where they can't hurt anyone You don't pay much attention to politics, do you? |
deadoptimist said: Darklight0303 said: Here's the thing. Those people end up in a fucking institution. Not get a piggy back ride up a social ladder. So no. Slaine is still just as unrealistic as Inaho. There are examples of natural born geniuses in history. Retardation on Slaine's level either leads to death or being interned in a fuckin asylum where they can't hurt anyone Nah, they're everywhere- on all levels of society. Slaine has enough of whatever ability to stay at power at least for some time, it's the same for them. swn32 said: dat yukineexinaho hug though Oh, I am so doing a gif of Slaine's facepalm and using it everywhere. It's like he is saying "f**ck this writing, I can't anymore". There is a perfect gif form when he looks into the binoculars and freaks out (very useful) and now this. Mm. It seems that Inaho doesn't have decency to stay out or suffer for a bit more (for the sake of balance at least). No Lemrina or Harklight - I guess they're sidelined forever. The yo-yo robot... sigh. Rayet with a phone in a cabin of a battlerobot? Lmao, I hope it's on the plane mode. Other than that: Hm, kymano has a point. To what safety was Inaho planning to take Asseylum, if UEF wants her dead (very logically)? He pointed her to the Deucalion where Marbaredge and the others would keep her safe. The assassin showing up after somehow being the last survivor was something he could not have predicted. With how unconventional the crew of the Deucalion is, Asseylum could have hidden among them with the holographic camouflage pretty damn easily. They'd figure something out after that. |
Darklight0303 said: He pointed her to the Deucalion where Marbaredge and the others would keep her safe. The assassin showing up after somehow being the last survivor was something he could not have predicted. With how unconventional the crew of the Deucalion is, Asseylum could have hidden among them with the holographic camouflage pretty damn easily. They'd figure something out after that. The whole ship will be creating treason, becoming a center of attention for martians and I seriously doubt UFE won't get to them. Not to mention that Slaine could transmit an ultimatum to the UFE, and UFE would get very interested in Deucalion after that. (Normally, they'd take the families of the prople on board hostages.) |
deadoptimist said: Darklight0303 said: He pointed her to the Deucalion where Marbaredge and the others would keep her safe. The assassin showing up after somehow being the last survivor was something he could not have predicted. With how unconventional the crew of the Deucalion is, Asseylum could have hidden among them with the holographic camouflage pretty damn easily. They'd figure something out after that. The whole ship will be creating treason, becoming a center of attention for martians and I seriously doubt UFE won't get to them. Not to mention that Slaine could transmit an ultimatum to the UFE, and UFE would get very interested in Deucalion after that. (Normally, they'd take the families of the prople on board hostages.) If Slaine transmitted an ultimatum he'd be proven as the world's biggest fool because the LAST thing he'd want would be to make threats when it comes to the princess. Last time he made demands like that he paid the price and it would only serve to endanger the princess. Viktor_Otaku said: deadoptimist said: The whole ship will be creating treason, becoming a center of attention for martians and I seriously doubt UFE won't get to them. Not to mention that Slaine could transmit an ultimatum to the UFE, and UFE would get very interested in Deucalion after that. (Normally, they'd take the families of the prople on board hostages.) TBH i am astounded that the UFE higher ups did not locked Asseylum up and interrogate her the moment she presented herself. Because they wanted to at least try the easy way to end the bloody war. And when that failed Sazbaum was on them before they could lock her up. |
Viktor_Otaku said: Darklight0303 said: If Slaine transmitted an ultimatum he'd be proven as the world's biggest fool because the LAST thing he'd want would be to make threats when it comes to the princess. Last time he made demands like that he paid the price and it would only serve to endanger the princess. Because they wanted to at least try the easy way to end the bloody war. And when that failed Sazbaum was on them before they could lock her up. TBH her broadcasting the message was the reason why Saazbaum managed to pin them down in the first place. Instead of immediately what is literally waving a giant banner of Asseylum with big neons signs pointing "Hey we got your pretty little princess and she is here in this base." The more prudent option is first to ascertain the princess position and how deep had the conspirators had penetrated the command structure. That's easier said than done plus they had no way of knowing that Sazbaum was blocking their communications. |
Viktor_Otaku said: Darklight0303 said: That's easier said than done plus they had no way of knowing that Sazbaum was blocking their communications. Well they broadcasting the message on a global scale is tantamount to a death sentence on their part. The best option was not to anything drastic, which they did. It was a gamble. If Sazbaum had not been blocking the transmission and the message had gotten out, the Vers would have split into infighting at the very least between loyalists and the conspirators. That alone would have made the battle easier for the Terrans. Sazbaum just had all his bases covered. Which makes it an even bigger shame he died so lamely. |
Viktor_Otaku said: Just 1 more thing, Inaho better hope that the whole Deucalion crew is on his side. Otherwise his pretty little princess's white dress is gonna be stained red soon. Now this is what I call "outta the frying pan and into the fire". Well his school group is and so is Yuki and Marbaredge. Though looking at the preview it seems Klancain took the princess somewhere else. |
deadoptimist said: Oh, I am so doing a gif of Slaine's facepalm and using it everywhere. Yes plz deadoptimist said: The yo-yo robot... sigh. I really don't understand what the Martians were thinking when they made those katas xD |
kymano said: Darklight0303 said: Well his school group is and so is Yuki and Marbaredge. Though looking at the preview it seems Klancain took the princess somewhere else. To which I say Thank god, it seeems that all Earth Routes the princess would taken could pead to a disaster for the Deucalion Team.Its best she stays on Vers.Though if she and Klankain are planning to take down Slaine.I fear infighting could begin since Slaine and Asseylum has their own share of supporters. Infighting is what I am expecting regardless. |
| There're two other things that bug me. The first being why they can't design another dress for the princess. Let's omit the amazing part of where the dress goes when she transforms and what exactly her power of transformation is (I have a version of answers, and it includes the word "ass" for both cases). But it gets so annoying to see her in that one outfit, and it is so impractical for, say, running from attackers. She had another royal dress in the first ep, why not introduce another one in two courses? Oh, and it would be terribly smelly from the non-stop wear, unless her power also includes cleaning. The second being that I think I dislike the introduction of Klancain. He is so late to the party... All other guests have left, are asleep or puking in the toilet, and there he is fresh and ready to dance (a fine example of an asshole, if you ask me). The main dynamic between Inaho and Slaine is done badly, but it makes sense in a way, because of how recognisable a love triangle is. With A.Z's already bad writing a polyhedron seems too much. Also the level of NTR would be simply too high for the fandom to bear. Moreover Klancain is not very distinctive, it's unclear how he will fare between Slaine and Mazuurek, who are both very similar to him, and he kinda changes the impression on Vers, which is so extremely late, that it's ridiculous. And while I liked Cruhteo in his time, he died long enough for me to not care that this guy is his son. I hope he is at least a sadist as his father (and the treacherous princess will get in her own 50 shades unwillingly, cause damn her)... |
deadoptimistMar 19, 2015 2:28 PM
kymano said: Not forgetting any backstory about Klankain but suddenly Slaine actually knew him? How, I thought of Slaine's relationship with Crutheo was more of Father/Son but it turns out Crutheo had more sons to begin with. Crutheo-Slaine = Father -son? really? I think it was clear their relationship was more like Master - slave... Mentioning his questions to Slaine was a bit farfethced.Does the Emperor approve?Seriously i mean doesnt the emperor have this international Skype call to every Martian Landing castle?If his granddaughter is now going to get married to a Terran Count, he should have expressed how he felt already.So what was the point Klankain was suppose to make? i think it was clear from episode 7 (when slaine announced the marriage) that Raygalia was too sick, it would be hard to use his "skype" Also Klancain was there for the death of Saazbum (2 months to get there from mars) . as far as we know, he isn't running a errand for the emperor, at most that would be just a plus and not the first reason to travel (remember two months ago there was no marriage proposal and he started his travel that time). What was achieved on that Inaho/Slaine shoot out? They changed roles thats it. yeah, they changed roles and slaine recognized that he was jealous : "Slaine to Inaho: If that’s all you were(If you were just (an/my) enemy), there would have been no need to hate you!" Also Asseylum met Klankain at some party? HUH?? How was this not brought up when he met Slaine first. why should be brought? Klancain is wary of Slaine, why he would tell him that he he knows Asseylum personally. where's the need? I try not to question this shows plot because it fails to explain itself. hahaha this show is so simple, nothing deep, yet you are full of questions? Hahahaha really you are a funny |
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