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| Wow if I were them I would have punch them and sliced them until ash!!! But the decision of Luffy was really unexpected!! I thought he would've decided to still ride the Going Merry, I mean u should all know Luffy's attitude, right??!! So yeah it was really unexpected, anyhow this ep was really goood and really frustrating!! |
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| Great ep! Masterpiece!! as the title says: "The Dire Moon-lit Row! A Pirate Flag Flies in Sorrow!" So it's finally time for that to happen! "I'll kill you in a heartbeat. I already know how to defeat you!" 5/5 ep! Next ep, please~! |
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| Most serious and intense moment in the straw hat crew ever, that was really an overdose of emotions, I wasn't expecting it. |
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| Damn this episode was pretty sad. :< Nearly shed a tear. |
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Flibbertigibbet said: Most useless nakama being a selfish asshole, and becoming even more of a burden than he already was. Just kick his ass and abandon him Luffy! Show him who's captain! +1 He cant even fix shit. Has to leave it to some ghost to make all the repairs... That damn black guy needs to die already. All he does is scream and act like an ass he should have died 10 times already. Just like that awful looking boat. Not to mention he's half fkn dead yet he has the 'will' to fight luffy? If this doesnt kill him i give up. Nvm ill just keep watching ill just hate it even more. |
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Ranivus said: Flibbertigibbet said: Most useless nakama being a selfish asshole, and becoming even more of a burden than he already was. Just kick his ass and abandon him Luffy! Show him who's captain! +1 He cant even fix shit. Has to leave it to some ghost to make all the repairs... That damn black guy needs to die already. All he does is scream and act like an ass he should have died 10 times already. Just like that awful looking boat. Not to mention he's half fkn dead yet he has the 'will' to fight luffy? If this doesnt kill him i give up. Nvm ill just keep watching ill just hate it even more. I don't really know how you 2 come to that conclusion... |
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| ^dont worry, they are retarded ^_~ |
| man.. very emotional ep. so the ship is more important to usopp than the crew? *sigh* 5/5 |
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NEKO-est said: But the decision of Luffy was really unexpected!! I thought he would've decided to still ride the Going Merry, I mean u should all know Luffy's attitude, right??!!! In my opinion Luffy listens to people he likes when they question his abilities as a captain. First it was Vivi who told him not to fight at Drum Island and this time it was Iceburg. I feel like that's what changed Luffy's mind. Also, this is one of those rare episodes that I thot was better than the manga. The way it reads, at least in the original Japanese, it feels forced the way Usopp becomes so angry. But in the anime, the emotions seem very logical, amazing flow. And the touch of the sunset lighting really added to the emotional oomph. |
| Kinda wish Usopp doesn't come back to the crew... |
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| well my theory with the hypnotize usoopp maybe wrong LOL but this must be one of the all time lows for the crew.. i don't like the angry usopp... please bring back the funny usoop! :'-(( |
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| omg Usopp... SHUT UP! His arguing is sooo annoying! I mean what does he expect them to do? Deus ex machina the ship? What does he mean by "Luffy's listening a bunch of carpenters"? Hello, they're the best in the world! And you came to them to do the selfsame job that you can't. Just ceasefire on the pity party Usopp. He's being stupid, childish, selfish, irrational, boldfaced and above all annoying. and I hate the way Luffy is being blamed. tl;dr GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE. |
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sayami said: Ranivus said: Flibbertigibbet said: Most useless nakama being a selfish asshole, and becoming even more of a burden than he already was. Just kick his ass and abandon him Luffy! Show him who's captain! +1 He cant even fix shit. Has to leave it to some ghost to make all the repairs... That damn black guy needs to die already. All he does is scream and act like an ass he should have died 10 times already. Just like that awful looking boat. Not to mention he's half fkn dead yet he has the 'will' to fight luffy? If this doesnt kill him i give up. Nvm ill just keep watching ill just hate it even more. I don't really know how you 2 come to that conclusion... Which part don't you get exactly? Usopp is being VERY selfish right now. They CANT fix the ship, so as a captain, Luffy had to make a decision and he did. And now Usopp (who couldnt even protect 2 suitcases) decides that he'd rather stay with a sinking ship than with his nakama? Clearly Usopp is at fault here. Luffy made the right decision; the ONLY decision possible. And what does Usopp rly think of Luffy if he thinks that Luffy made the decision lightly? They are ALL sad to see Merry go, of course *tear*. But you cant fix a damn keel! So Usopp needs to STFU and stop acting like he can kick ANYONE's ass. |
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| I still don't get the conclusion that Usopp is a useless character. Even though he isn't much of a fighter the times he has helped the crew is countless. He's done his best to keep the Going Merry repaired, it's just he isn't an actual TRAINED shipwright and, thus, can only do so much.The ONLY reason Merry has lasted this long is because of him, as the others don't have a clue how to repair the ship. Also, if he hadn't come up with some of the inventions, such as Nami's weapon, the others would have been in trouble numerous times. So, basically, calling him useful is very similar to calling Nami, the Navigator, and Chopper, the doctor, useless just because the 3 of them aren't as much fighters as Luffy, Sanji, Zorro, and Robin. It's retarded, for lack of a better word. Also, I'll admit that Usopp is letting his emotions get the best of him in this case. But, it isn't as though Luffy is free of guilt either. He could have handled the situation much better, imo. But, honestly, I'm glad that this new found rivalry between the two happened as I think it opens up a good chance of development for not just those two, but the Straw Hat crew entirely. In summary, I like where this is going. |
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| I can't stand Usopp, he's really childish. Yeah so what if his ship can't sail anymore, for godsake, it went to Skypiea! It crashed on the sea, it went on the reverse mountain, got his by countless bullets, went through snow and ice and shit like that, get over it Usopp. Luffy was really mature this episode and I agree with him, there are moments you just have to move forward without letting other stuff hold you back even though it's hard to let go. Usopp should be able to do that and if he can't Luffy is better off without him (it's not about him being usefull or not, he's done a lot to help Luffy and the crew but now he's just dragging everyone down so he should deal with it or disappear). |
insan3soldiern said: I still don't get the conclusion that Usopp is a useless character. Even though he isn't much of a fighter the times he has helped the crew is countless. He's done his best to keep the Going Merry repaired, it's just he isn't an actual TRAINED shipwright and, thus, can only do so much.The ONLY reason Merry has lasted this long is because of him, as the others don't have a clue how to repair the ship. Also, if he hadn't come up with some of the inventions, such as Nami's weapon, the others would have been in trouble numerous times. So, basically, calling him useful is very similar to calling Nami, the Navigator, and Chopper, the doctor, useless just because the 3 of them aren't as much fighters as Luffy, Sanji, Zorro, and Robin. It's retarded, for lack of a better word. Also, I'll admit that Usopp is letting his emotions get the best of him in this case. But, it isn't as though Luffy is free of guilt either. He could have handled the situation much better, imo. But, honestly, I'm glad that this new found rivalry between the two happened as I think it opens up a good chance of development for not just those two, but the Straw Hat crew entirely. In summary, I like where this is going. This. The hate for Usopp is retarded. He's a great character in his own right. |
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| Usopp is incredibly annoying... Why he still tags is along is a wonder to me. |
kisarachan said: Ranivus said: Flibbertigibbet said: Most useless nakama being a selfish asshole, and becoming even more of a burden than he already was. Just kick his ass and abandon him Luffy! Show him who's captain! +1 He cant even fix shit. Has to leave it to some ghost to make all the repairs... That damn black guy needs to die already. All he does is scream and act like an ass he should have died 10 times already. Just like that awful looking boat. Not to mention he's half fkn dead yet he has the 'will' to fight luffy? If this doesnt kill him i give up. Nvm ill just keep watching ill just hate it even more. Since when was Usopp a burden? Last time I checked, he defeated a merman, went up against a God to save his friends, battled at least one member of Baroque works and created Nami's weapon, which has saved her butt on a number of occasions. The absence of fear isn't the same as being brave and he's possibly the most 'humanl' of all the characters. One Piece would be boring if everyone in the show was an overpowered monster! Not to mention calling him a 'damn black guy' is more than a tad racist. I actually could really sympathise with Usopp in this episode. The Going Merry is his only remaining link to Kaya and the only thing he has left from his home village, so obviously it means a lot to him. He's the only person on the ship who even tried to fix the Merry and the fact is, his anger at Luffy has nothing to do with the ship at all. It's about his feelings of inadequacy compared to the other members of the crew, who would have been able to get the money back without getting the crap kicked out of them. It's been coming a long time, frankly and it's important character development. This is DEFINITELY seconded. This episode was really one of the best episodes of One Piece by far, because it really did show how a real argument happens. Usopp wasn't THERE for the explanation from the Shipwrights, nor was this argument solely about just the Merry. All of his feelings of inadequacy finally came to a boiling point. This was true human drama between two people who were best friends, but came to an obstacle because of a problem. Also, the way everyone reacted was really in-character! Zoro especially showed something equally important, silence. Zoro was Luffy's first nakama, and the absolute only reason he is on that ship is because of Luffy. They understand that even with Luffy as a captain, he NEEDS to have the authority to decide things because otherwise, the group wouldn't be able to stand up to all their enemies and work so effectively. I've never thought of Usopp as being weak as necessarily a bad thing. Even HE knows that he needs to be able to defend himself and fight. This plot point is going to be interesting :) |
| Holy s**t. That was an intense episode. |
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| that was one of the most realistic fights i've seen in anime - it was emotionally charged with people talking over each other and arguments lobbying back and forth. the lighting of the sunset was stunning, too. i don't think usopp is useless. he is very handy, resourceful, and creative as evidenced by his inventions. he also completes the crew with his friendliness and comedy. however, he was UTTERLY WRONG in this case. i admire luffy's maturity, though it wasn't unexpected - luffy is always serious and insightful when the occasio arises. usopp's anger obviously stems from his feelings of inadequacy in that he feels like merry being thrown away is a reflection of how the crew views him, but though that's a reason, it's not a cause. he is being an ass and it's irritating because i genuinely felt distressed seeing a rift in the crew, because they've always been so amusing and united. hopefully usopp goes through the "i am useful" character development arc fast, cause it's painful to watch. grr. |
| This was an amazing episode. Flat-out amazing. Everything felt so real, and I know that a lot of people are on different sides in the fight. Some say that Usopp is terrible and sucks and wouldn't mind him leaving, others mad at him, others sympathizing with him. Regardless of where you stand, I felt that having such an involvement in a fight is a pretty endearing accomplishment on One Piece's behalf. So, I'd like to address each side, as I was kind of in between Luffy's side and Usopp's. Now although I don't agree with the opinion that Usopp sucks and should just leave, I'm not going to say that it is stupid. However, if you are on that boat, you probably haven't been able to cope with Usopp and only find the worth in people in how well they fight. Usopp was originally angered because he didn't understand the situation. From there, Luffy and Usopp began yelling at each other and it escalated onwards. Unfortunately, it came to the point where Usopp left. I'm more mad at Usopp for yelling at Chopper telling him they were no longer nakama. Seeing Chopper cry about that was pretty hard. Sympathizing with Usopp is easy for me as I see him right now believing he has no worth and is trying to get rid of that emotion by proving that he can accomplish something, such as taking back the Merry which he has been protecting and finds memories in it. He's trying to prove that he can do even one thing, what is most important to him. That I found was pretty sad. Amazing episode, though. I was blown away with how much emotion was in it. |
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| Usopp is the most human-like character in the show is what you guys need to realize. I love him. Maybe its because I have a big nose:) |
sayami said: Exactly. Ussop is Nakama! How can he leave because he said he is leaving?Ranivus said: Flibbertigibbet said: Most useless nakama being a selfish asshole, and becoming even more of a burden than he already was. Just kick his ass and abandon him Luffy! Show him who's captain! +1 He cant even fix shit. Has to leave it to some ghost to make all the repairs... That damn black guy needs to die already. All he does is scream and act like an ass he should have died 10 times already. Just like that awful looking boat. Not to mention he's half fkn dead yet he has the 'will' to fight luffy? If this doesnt kill him i give up. Nvm ill just keep watching ill just hate it even more. I don't really know how you 2 come to that conclusion... It's like Straw Hat Pirates have really good bond among them, but all of a sudden, it seems like its falling apart anytime. |
| People who say Usopp is useful AT TIMES is right, he is, and very rarely Usopp is MAJORLY useful, I mean really, sure he can a little bit every now and then, but he is for the most part not of use,creating a itty bitty weapon for Nami to use? Okay that was nice, and saved her life, but what about the big enemies, would that wepon would have been useful against Crocodile? Enel? In OP its some REALLY powerful guys out here, you really think Usopp could make a wepon that could take on that Ice Guy that just met?(I.E) and hes such a coward its annoying, during the ENTIRE Skepiea arc everytime a enemy(I admit it was funny, but im talking on survival/team behalf), even when he saw the big animals he'd just scream his ass off, like how many Arcs we gonna go through before he grows somes balls? And sometimes he'd just be a inconvience, like when he'd hold luffy back when he goes to about to attack someone. TL:DR Usopp is useful sometimes, but in the long run not so much, he's not a burden but sure as hell aint "useful" Maybe in the future he becomes boss, but as of this ep? Nah. And another thing, abut the whole "Character development over time" thing for weak characters suck azz, no one likes to go hundreds of fukin episodes watching a semi-decent character grow, just sayin |
Wd40zAug 19, 2012 4:22 AM
| This episode was truly great and I can't wait to watch the next one. grandtheftsam said: Usopp is the most human-like character in the show is what you guys need to realize. Exactly, it's part of his appeal. A normal human alongside all these people with supernatural abilities is cool. He's not completely useless. He does have his moments of ingenuity. Skypiea, he rappeled himself and Sanji onto the ship, Luffy would've been dead if they didn't go and get him. The same people who hate Usopp I wonder if you like Batman? That's where I think they'll go with this. If Usopp does indeed leave I think he will come back eventually as some sort of uber badass character. And I'm very interested to see how he'll take on Luffy.Me personally I think that has laid some traps down during the prep time. If I were Luffy I'd have said, "Fine. You want the Merry so much, you keep him and we'll get our new ship, bye!" lol Also I completely forgot about Robin until I saw that wanted poster. Shows how much I care for her lol OiAaron said: fuck vivi Now if you wanna talk about useless crew members... |
| It would be cool if the ship was reparable and skip this drama.. |
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| Some of you, guys. Did you even understand the episode? The whole story behind it? This is not about Usopp being randomly selfish. We knew what this ship meant for him. For the rest it's just a ship they're fond of due to the many adventures. But for Usopp it is much more. He considers it the symbol of the Straw Hats and it's his last bond with his old village and Kaya. And I would even say that he considers it his major contribution to the crew. So Luffy's decision to leave the Going Merry not only affects him in a nostalgic way like the rest. It's his relationship with the crew and his own pride what are being put at risk. I don't know, I have always liked Usopp as a character and knew that something like this would happen. And quite honestly I get sick at this discussion whether Usopp is useless or useful because this is not the point and never was in One Piece. Since when has this series' real deal been about strong characters saving the day? This episode was a masterpiece. It really did the work of redefining the situation of the crew. The argument was so carefully developed that left me out of breath. For once they didn't try to put any single joke to it. The whole episode was incredibly uncomfortable. Luffy really acted like a captain, he had taken a decision and was completely serious about it, even knowing how much it would hurt his nakama. Usopp was absolutely stubborn and irrational, but I can't certainly blame him. And the rest of the crew put the icing on the cake for me. There was one scene I was specially fond of: Sanji, who I've never seen in an emotional outburst, hitting Luffy out of pure helplessness in one specially intense scene of the argument. But he wasn't the only one as Nami and Chopper were also incredibly tense and worried during this moment, and the episode made an incredibly good effort at showing the fears of the whole crew at the new situation. I will just say that this is the best episode I have ever seen in the series. But I'm very afraid of having to change this thing after the next episode. This level of delivery is something I have never seen in One Piece. And I'm serious when saying this... basically because I adore this series and have commented dozens of times on its infinite qualities and possibilities. |
jal90Nov 2, 2012 6:10 PM
| I like Ussop when he is funny... Because that's everything he does... He needs to accept the facts. And Zoro is the unique that really know Ruffy... When everyone was crying for Ussop, he accepted Ruffy's decision and stayed quiet And... I think that this whole drama is just to Ussop become stronger... |
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| Speechless, Very unsettling to even have the thought of Ussop leaving. I guess all the frustration is making them a bit tense. I wonder how they'll work their way out of the situation. |
DaiTomodachi said: this Holy s**t. That was an intense episode. This i certainly one of the best episodes in One Piece. One piece is slowly getting better and better with each arc. |
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| #1 annoying char goes to Usopp. I wouldn't mind seeing him get killed ^^. |
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ZackNero03 said: If you ask me, Usopp is over reacting, it is logical to get a new ship when it isn't repairable. Look at what the ship went though, if it can be repair then am all for it, but it can't last forever, nothing does. Well, this is hardly about the ship alone, more like about what it symbolizes to him. I'm not defending what he did at this episode, but there were deeper reasons than a mere impulse. As he said his choice of leaving the crew wasn't sudden and built for the moment. |
| to be honest, im pretty interested to see this fight. luffy is a battle genius, but usopp has been his friend for a long time, so no doubt he knows his weaknesses, proclaiming that he knows how to beat him. either way, the after effects of this fight are what im really curious about. will usopp REALLY be leaving the crew...? |
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| Fight, fight, fight! Hah, if any of you watched the opening closely you'll see a little of Usopp's fight with Luffy, it's always intrigued me. I have absolutely no idea how this could pan out. This is Usopp and Luffy, both of them can be unpredictable. |
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| Damn, this ep. had me in tears. The argument between them was so real. I could seriously feel the emotions. Usopp took it too far with his pride and emotions. They would have been find if he just cooled off a little. A lot happened to him that day though. I'm curious to see how Usopp plans to kill Luffy though. |
| I don't get how people can hate any of the crew, sure, some of them have some bad traits, but that's just like real people are, I never really hate any character, I just enjoy watching them interact, I have never hated a show just because of a few characters. I don't agree with a lot of characters, but I still love watching them. This is one of my fav eps so far. |
kisarachan said: Ranivus said: Flibbertigibbet said: Most useless nakama being a selfish asshole, and becoming even more of a burden than he already was. Just kick his ass and abandon him Luffy! Show him who's captain! +1 He cant even fix shit. Has to leave it to some ghost to make all the repairs... That damn black guy needs to die already. All he does is scream and act like an ass he should have died 10 times already. Just like that awful looking boat. Not to mention he's half fkn dead yet he has the 'will' to fight luffy? If this doesnt kill him i give up. Nvm ill just keep watching ill just hate it even more. Since when was Usopp a burden? Last time I checked, he defeated a merman, went up against a God to save his friends, battled at least one member of Baroque works and created Nami's weapon, which has saved her butt on a number of occasions. The absence of fear isn't the same as being brave and he's possibly the most 'humanl' of all the characters. One Piece would be boring if everyone in the show was an overpowered monster! Not to mention calling him a 'damn black guy' is more than a tad racist. I actually could really sympathise with Usopp in this episode. The Going Merry is his only remaining link to Kaya and the only thing he has left from his home village, so obviously it means a lot to him. He's the only person on the ship who even tried to fix the Merry and the fact is, his anger at Luffy has nothing to do with the ship at all. It's about his feelings of inadequacy compared to the other members of the crew, who would have been able to get the money back without getting the crap kicked out of them. It's been coming a long time, frankly and it's important character development. that ^^^^^^ I totally agree. Usopp is just a normal human. And let's be honest he has done very brave things for a weak person. I believe he wont be the same after this. His reaction, this fight such as everyone else's reaction is extremely realistic! They love each other but they are all hurt, even more Usopp, and it's normal to fight and have serious tensions between them (like in every realistic relationship). And as for Usopp it's not only about Merry, it's about him feelling incompetent.He is parallelising himself to Merry as he feels guilty for losing the money. He can't compare himself to the others and sympathises for Merry for being incapable of going on too. Actually the whole storyline of this incident is ingenious! Anyways, beautiful episode!!! I couldn't stop crying!!! |
| Aw, things just get so serious :( |
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| Greatest One Piece episode I've seen. It was a whirlwind of intense emotions. I want to defend Usopp though. It's sort of sad that some people have no sympathy for Usopp and want him off the crew or even killed. He's going through an incredibly difficult time, and it's understandable that he feels the way he does. If Usopp had been there for the shipwrights' explanation, and wasn't abducted, beaten within an inch of his life, humiliated, and robbed, he would've come around with time, just like the other crew members. I guess I find it sad because of how Usopp acted just two episodes ago. Did people not see how he threw his life on the line to get their money back? He felt completely responsible and ashamed for something pretty much out of his control, and he never gave up until he was nearly dead. He was willing to die for his friends' money. That took immense bravery, and Usopp's sheer loyalty is absolutely stunning. This wasn't the only time either—he's come through for his friends many times, even saving their lives on occasion. Furthermore, he left the crew because he felt he was holding them back. He felt the loss of the money and the irreparable Going Merry were both his fault, and he apologized to his friends for being a "burden". He left for them. How on Earth can people call this guy selfish? Usopp is a kind, loyal friend with his own talents and skills to add to the team. He even still believes that Luffy will one day become Pirate King. This guy...I just don't see how people can dislike a guy like that. The pieces of shit that deserve hate are that damn Franky Family. They are the cause of all this drama, and I wanted to see them slaughtered. They better have a damn good reason for doing what they do. |
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