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| the only good thing about this episode was hanabishi sensei reaction after seeing the chair. oh and also looking at how rape-able kobahayashi is Paulo27 said: This show is shit, just shit. Can the trap die? That'd at least be a step in the right direction, fuck the trap, drags the little show has going for it right down to the bottom, the blushing shounen doesn't help but fuck the trap most of all. lmao when the trap thought the teacher was going to flirt with him, this is all just fucking hilarious "the teacher was going to leave his 14 year old girlfriend and go for the 13 year old trap" Suuuuure, gotta get that 13 yo boypussy, amirite? And of course, instead of killing your "rival" you kill your love, GOOD FUCKING JAAB! you sounds bothered and conflicted... doesh kobayashi makes you questioning your sexuality?? :( |
milloJul 12, 2015 7:58 AM
Aoiyuki7 said: Sukebe14 said: not to mention such ridiculuos thing that victims wanted to be killed and turned into chairs You will be surprised at the amount of weirdos in this world. Ever heard of idiots interested in being eaten by others/serve their own body part for dinner? Yeah well, that exists too. i don't know the name of the medical condition, but some people who are extremely in love with someone, wouldn't be satisfied even with sex,they would get as phisically close to someone as possible, ev en if that means eating a part of who they love. it's not as much weird as it lacks common sense(if you love someone you shouldn't hurt them) |
Takuan_Soho said: 1cebear said: If you ask me, all those characters except Hashiba are completely insane. I think Hashiba is pretty much the most cracked of the lot, he has obsessive love for Kobayashi as noted by his pushing the teacher away when she got too close to Kobayashi, his willingness to expose himself to the police for his sake, and that he doesn't react as much as he should to these horrific things because he knows he has to in order to remain with Kobayashi. I expect great things from him soon. As for the general disgust people feel, I guess it is not surprising. People like to believe that the world is an ordered place, so when confronted by something outside of it, this causes them great anxiety. When this occurs they tend to lash out so they can normalize the situation. This is where the "blame the victim" comes into play, the person looks for something "she shouldn't have been at that place" or whatever in order to convince themselves why this couldn't have happened to them. You can see this with how upset everyone is with Kobayashi. Rather than just accept that he is a boy that everyone thought was a girl because of his looks, and has since developed a perverse enjoyment in messing with people by acting MORE like a girl than even a girl can do (but remaining a man) so that even men get screwed up remembering that he is not a girl. That steps on so many landmines for most people its little wonder they hate him. I am very curious whether 1 and 3 are going to be dealt with in this series. That would be so messed up that I shudder in eager anticipation. so am i a little like the characters considering i am like the people you mentioned, yet have the opposite reaction(love kobayashi and will keep watching the anime)? or maybe is it because i just love psychology in general and this new kind of "Minds" interest me? |
CookingPriest said: Another great episode. It seems they will follow the Sherlock model in having "episodic" arcs focusing on Kobayashi and Akechi solving various cases, each story based on Ranpo's books. Color me interested. I do like that they are going with the whole "mind of a killer" thing which used in A.Christie's works, namely . Sure it is also used as premise in current modern take on Sherlock, which makes that show's ties with this work even more apparent. The moment where Kobayashi genuinely thanked the killer for entertainment was such Sherlock moment. 5/5 yet again. I picked up on the "Sherlock" similarities in Kobayashi's personality in the first episode. I didn't see anyone else mention that until now for some reason. I've seen people all over the place saying Kobayashi's... er... eccentric-ness... wasn't believable and ruined it for them, but I think crazy situations and extraordinary people sometimes make anime great. We just have another "high-functioning sociopath" on our hands, maybe. xD |
| The pairs of figures having sexual intercourse in the ending tho.... Whats up with them? Am i the only one that noticed that? oh god. |
KazeTheHunterJul 13, 2015 7:49 AM
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EpicSquirrel said: CookingPriest said: Another great episode. It seems they will follow the Sherlock model in having "episodic" arcs focusing on Kobayashi and Akechi solving various cases, each story based on Ranpo's books. Color me interested. I do like that they are going with the whole "mind of a killer" thing which used in A.Christie's works, namely . Sure it is also used as premise in current modern take on Sherlock, which makes that show's ties with this work even more apparent. The moment where Kobayashi genuinely thanked the killer for entertainment was such Sherlock moment. 5/5 yet again. I picked up on the "Sherlock" similarities in Kobayashi's personality in the first episode. I didn't see anyone else mention that until now for some reason. I've seen people all over the place saying Kobayashi's... er... eccentric-ness... wasn't believable and ruined it for them, but I think crazy situations and extraordinary people sometimes make anime great. We just have another "high-functioning sociopath" on our hands, maybe. xD And Akechi is pretty much Mycroft in that. The question is, how long till we get "Merry Christmas" from Kobayashi. |
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| It was incredibly bad. 1. You can't really solve the mysteries with the characters, as in the new episode, you get new information. 2. The fact that the teacher was in love with the tramp was just too strange and far-fetched.. Can't believe they solved the murder based on that 3. It wasn't really much of a game. The ending of the first episode implied there would be a challenge or something. Didn't seem like a challenge at all. Just lame. |
alphaAngel said: It was incredibly bad. 1. You can't really solve the mysteries with the characters, as in the new episode, you get new information. All the clues were in the previous episode. 2. The fact that the teacher was in love with the tramp was just too strange and far-fetched.. Can't believe they solved the murder based on that homophobic much? The teacher admired beauty and Kobayashi fit the standard. 3. It wasn't really much of a game. The ending of the first episode implied there would be a challenge or something. Didn't seem like a challenge at all. Just lame. It is not a game. the game saying is a referenced to Sherlock Holmes phrase "the game is on" which he would use when he when something gets his interest. In his mentality the "game" was the investigation itself. It is also reference to the title, game of laplace - P.S.Laplace created the basis for deductive reasoning via his analytical theory of probabilities, so the "game" Akechi and Kobayashi refer to is solving macabre murders(in kobayashi's case, he does it by employad Laplace's analytical theory of probabilities) |
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Takuan_Soho said: It seems you were. Edogawa wrote children's books, he also wrote adult books. His adult books cover a great deal of eroticism, often with a grotesque aspect. As this episode revealed one such example, I think this is a warning that things are going to get worse (the ED starts with people in bondage). So strap in (pun!) and enjoy the ride, expect turbulence ahead! Ohhh~ i would like that! i hope this anime will become more interesting! I like those kind of animes, with "mysterious detective" feeling, but its a little, i dont know, weird? with a 13 years old trap boy as the main.. |
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Takuan_Soho said: CookingPriest said: The question is, how long till we get "Merry Christmas" from Kobayashi. Having not watched Sherlock I was curious about your reference above, so I checked it out. I have to say: It uses the similar approach to what this show seems to do as in And it seems Ranpo Kitan is going for the same kind of approach to those characters. The only real difference between the murderers faced and Akechi/Kobayashi is the side they stand on. |
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| It's on the level of recent Kindaichi series. Well, suddenly I wanna see MPD Psycho animated, though it's never gonna happen. |
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| Kobayashi calmness is strange for me, it's mostly thing that bothers me in this. |
Namu12Jul 13, 2015 10:39 AM
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KazeTheHunter said: The pairs of figures having sexual intercourse in the ending tho.... Whats up with them? Am i the only one that noticed that? oh god. don't know if you noticed, but the op has a tleast one bondage version of every character in it, even if just for a brief second, you can clearly identify them. other guy i didn't quote and can't find the post of again: well,it shocked me too to find that kobayashi is a guuy, especially with those curves, but it bafles me seeing people dropping the anime because of that , it's lik "nnnggh i wanted him to be my waifu but he's male, shitshitshit i have to drop this instantly" i just don't understand these people. |
| "impressed by Kobayashi's deductive skills" Skills??? Asspulls. So boring, very little work went into solving anything. This is awful. That ED is great. That's about it. The autopsy was kinda funny...... as a "Otaku Vine", really bad for the show. Gonna drop this one. Edogaw is probably rolling in his grave for this gimmicky disgrace. Or maybe fujoshi bait is his thing. idk..... |
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| Uh ... what the heck was this episode O_O Minami part was ... interesting. How they "showed" what happened was good but ... the teacher was in love with Kobayashi and his girlfriend was another student ... who killed him because he didn't love her anymore and didn't want to turn her into his chair ... what the heck?! D: This is just ridiculous lol. Not to mention how the heck they figured it out ... I mean the whole being in love thing came completely out of the blue >_< Uh then the other girl had never been introduced either, I was thinking it would be the substitute teacher since at least she had a name ... yeah, my reaction was the same as hers :S I guess he "passed" Akechi's test at least ... so now he gets a key to his place? Or something ... uhm, OK then o_O Maybe this show is being satirical?! Or something?! I mean it can't be serious right ... OTL Also I noticed that when it was only Hashiba in the classroom the other students were shown animated normally, but with Kobayashi they're greyed out until they come into contact with him it seems ... maybe that's how he views them or something? :O Anyway I guess this show will continue to be as weird/wacky as it is ... I'm just staying for the mysteries people. Maybe the other parts will grow on me but ... who knows? Lol XD |
| When i watch mystery anime i want my mysteries to take some time to solve, i want more information to be gathered, i want to try to come out with some theory myself, but here everything at once was just thrown at me by Kobayashi (who's sick in the head btw).Not saying this is absolutely bad or anything, because i was entertained most time, but...nothing more.Nothing special or something that keeps me wanting to watch more : c Also the part about teacher being ''in love'' with Kobayashi didn't bother me because well, this is supposed to be an anime about sick cases after all.Whats truly bothering me tho is that megane-kun blushing all the time and being annoying like character from some C-class shoujo manga.Can't stand him. |
incompleteAEGISJul 13, 2015 7:05 PM
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| Imo if Kobayashi was a girl, i would definitely root the romance between him and Hashiba. Welp, episode feels weird tho. |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
| Ok. I loved this way more than I thought I would. This series has a very "Sherlock"-y feeling. I like it. It's detailed (even if people say there was nothing given away), it's twisted, it's weird. I loved it. I wonder how much more twisted it will become. It fell a bit flat here at the end, but that's because I was expecting this mystery to stretch and complicate itself for the whole season. But I'm not complaining. I had to watch it twice, to notice details I missed. There are a couple of things that piqued my interest. So... (I'll put some images in the spoilers). 1. The new teacher: It was clearly shown that she has scars on her wrists. I guess, that's why Kobayashi noticed her in the first place. I wonder if something happened to her, or she tried to kill herself (I would bet on the latter). After the teacher hugs him, Kobayashi smells his clothes/arms and there's this dialogue: Random student: "Our new teacher is strange, isn't she?" Hashiba: "Yeah. But I'm glad that she seems to be nice." Kobayashi: "Yeah. She must be trying hard to overcome the pressure she's feeling." I have a feeling he is saying that not because of the murder, but because of those scars. I wonder if we'll se more about that. 2. The murderer: When the teacher shows that cellphone that was supposed to belong to the murdered teacher, we see that eye reacting, the pupil constricting (sign of distress), and looking around. The cellphone was planted to elicit someone's reaction. And we get it. Now, the problem is that the eye that reacted is brown, while our murderer has another eye color. And now I wonder: is she the real killer or is she covering for someone?... Maybe this case is not over yet. |
AdellaedaJul 14, 2015 12:07 AM
alphaAngel said: It was incredibly bad. 1. You can't really solve the mysteries with the characters, as in the new episode, you get new information. 2. The fact that the teacher was in love with the tramp was just too strange and far-fetched.. Can't believe they solved the murder based on that 3. It wasn't really much of a game. The ending of the first episode implied there would be a challenge or something. Didn't seem like a challenge at all. Just lame. Exactly my thoughts.. I'm out of that little fujobait. |
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Adellaeda said: I wonder how much more twisted it will become. Maybe I am just too used to the genre, but so far this anime is not that largely twisted nor excedingly weird in my humble opinion. The case was slightly more to the brutal side, but nothing that hasn't been done in both Western and Japanese mysteries. The motive was rather mundane, with a typical murder of passion. Now, the problem is that the eye that reacted is brown, while our murderer has another eye color. And now I wonder: is she the real killer or is she covering for someone?... Maybe this case is not over yet. I wouldn't mind for the case to turn more complicated, but considering that we are getting a completely new case next episode it would have to be later in the series. |
Waiting for: God Eater (PSP) 私が、探偵だからよ。 |
Adellaeda said: 2. The murderer: When the teacher shows that cellphone that was supposed to belong to the murdered teacher, we see that eye reacting, the pupil constricting (sign of distress), and looking around. The cellphone was planted to elicit someone's reaction. And we get it. Now, the problem is that the eye that reacted is brown, while our murderer has another eye color. And now I wonder: is she the real killer or is she covering for someone?... Maybe this case is not over yet. hmm.. i can think of two options for this, 1. animation mistake? i mean, they made the eye look real, and the killer's eye color is purple/turquoise, and i dont think those colors match real eyes color so they just chose the most normal eye color to make it look humen. 2.it can be Kobayashi's eye. the only one with similar eye color to the one in the picture is Kobayashi's eye color so maybe he was hiding there and watching? but i dont think so.. i think that the animators didnt really care about the eye color, they just wanted to show that someone was really disturbed by the cellphone.. but who knows.. |
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seizonsha said: Maybe I am just too used to the genre, but so far this anime is not that largely twisted nor excedingly weird in my humble opinion. Well, I'm not. But still, I wasn't talking about the crime (I've seen that in Psycho-Pass and I've seen worse in one of the Hannibal movies). I was talking about Kobayashi's twisted mind. That's why I said that the series is "Sherlock"'-ish with the whole "good guy likes gruesome stuff" thing. It's not that they like murder or seeing people suffer, but rather they like to be involved in the most shocking cases and solving them. In BBC's Sherlock, is not only Sherlock who is not right in the head. I remember Mycroft saying to Watson something along the lines of "You're not traumatized by war, you miss it." We can see that in House M.D. as well. The weirder the case, the more they like it. That doesn't mean that they are going to hurt someone. Is this aspect that I like about the series. seizonsha said: I wouldn't mind for the case to turn more complicated, but considering that we are getting a completely new case next episode it would have to be later in the series. I guess I watched a release that didn't have a PV... Another thing that I noticed is that the butterfly motif is... well... everywhere. It's in the OP, it's in the ED and the first episode even starts with one. I know that butterfly means transformation/change and I bet it's about Kobayashi. I just really hope he's not gonna become a killer himself. He can dance on the line, but don't he dare cross over! KazeTheHunter said: 1. animation mistake? I really hope not. They put effort on some details, I don't think they would slip one that big. KazeTheHunter said: 2.it can be Kobayashi's eye. the only one with similar eye color to the one in the picture is Kobayashi's eye color so maybe he was hiding there and watching? but i dont think so.. I noticed too that Kobayashi has pretty much the same eye color. But I think he was arrested at that time. |
AdellaedaJul 14, 2015 6:54 AM
Sukebe14 said: WTF just watched. Even in anime I never saw such happy reactions to grisly murder, not to mention such ridiculuos thing that victims wanted to be killed and turned into chairs THIS. |
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selgalad said: Sukebe14 said: WTF just watched. Even in anime I never saw such happy reactions to grisly murder, not to mention such ridiculuos thing that victims wanted to be killed and turned into chairs THIS. Then both of you need to read mystery genre (novel, manga, whatever). The elements in this episode was really tame. |
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| Well, that wasn't too impressive. seizonsha said: Adellaeda said: I wonder how much more twisted it will become. Maybe I am just too used to the genre, but so far this anime is not that largely twisted nor excedingly weird in my humble opinion. The case was slightly more to the brutal side, but nothing that hasn't been done in both Western and Japanese mysteries. The motive was rather mundane, with a typical murder of passion. Yeah, I agree. |
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MadLane said: loving this one so far, really impressed by Kobayashi's deductive skills Uhhh what? There are no deductive skills. This was just the character spewing conjecture which will turn up true with absolutely no leg work shown to reach the conclusion. I'm dropping this. MC reactions to everything are frustratingly awful. Rest of the cast is terrible. If this is the quality of the mystery or cases of this show then I won't be missing anything. There isn't even a reason to watch it for shock value because there is none. I personally find it drab, boring, and trying too hard to be "weird" ie nothing is organic. Plus I can't take (again) how hard they are trying to push MC as a male while playing the trap card just as hard. Did I mention how annoying the "try hard" quality of this show is. Not for me. |
IZEROIIJul 14, 2015 10:21 AM
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| This setting is just way too fucked up, the pedophilia, the mindset of a 14-year old girl killing her teacher in an elaborate manner, the mindset of a 13-year old boy enjoying the case. Vanisher said: Stark700 said:  This scene almost made me drop the anime, it was so fucking terrible. Also the teacher jumping thing was terrible as well. Fuck comedy. |
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Meritas said: This setting is just way too fucked up, the pedophilia, the mindset of a 14-year old girl killing her teacher in an elaborate manner, the mindset of a 13-year old boy enjoying the case. it wasn't really elaborate... she just knocked out a guy and then killed the teacher, proceeded to arrange hi body parts and there, that was all, the trickiest part was probably the fingerprints one, and she still did a lalckluster job at that. |
| I like Kobayashi. I think he's an interesting character. Also, Hashiba just confess already. |
Just realized the meaning behind some of OP's visuals. Like how Kobayashi's "bondage silhouette" is that of a fox Which is INCREDIBLY fitting for Kobayashi, as the animal is interpreted as both a wise guide and a mischevious trickster. Akechi is looking at his hands with a barely visibel visuals of shackles  Possibly symbolizing some sort of past regret or guilt he feels. Kagami's bondage gear reminds of a knight armor:  Hashiba's focuses on a crazy eye, possibly hinting emotional instability?  Nakamura has the gas mask which represents fear  |
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| this show can be summarized with two quotes: - KININARIMASU! - da ga, otoko da although those two are incomparably better than this... |
CookingPriest said: Just realized the meaning behind some of OP's visuals. Like how Kobayashi's "bondage silhouette" is that of a fox what about the medic? |
| It looks like some people think gay is automatically a fujoshi thing, but it is the other way in this case. About recent shows containing fujoshi bait material, there are Gangsta and Kekkai Sensen. The cute "boy" in this show is obviously made for male audience. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
Vanisher said: Stark700 said: This scene almost made me drop the anime, it was so fucking terrible. Also the teacher jumping thing was terrible as well. Fuck comedy. It was alright outside of that. Vanisher said: Stark700 said: This scene almost made me drop the anime, it was so fucking terrible. Also the teacher jumping thing was terrible as well. Fuck comedy. It was alright outside of that. It was made to show how insane the characters and the show are. All of these people who are involved in the murders (the MC, the detective etc.) are mentally ill in some way. This scene is an artistic and humorous way to show just how insane all of them are. |
Sterlynx said: Vanisher said: This scene almost made me drop the anime, it was so fucking terrible. Also the teacher jumping thing was terrible as well. Fuck comedy. It was alright outside of that. Vanisher said: This scene almost made me drop the anime, it was so fucking terrible. Also the teacher jumping thing was terrible as well. Fuck comedy. It was alright outside of that. It was made to show how insane the characters and the show are. All of these people who are involved in the murders (the MC, the detective etc.) are mentally ill in some way. This scene is an artistic and humorous way to show just how insane all of them are. The way I see it, it was more of how Kobayashi perceived the report information. Because obviously he would have guessed some of those details already, he made it "more fun". I would not be surprised if at some point we actually meet the actual Minami and she acts nothing like that. |
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| The resolution of the investigation was weird. I normally like the animes where you can resolve the investigation by yourself, here it was impossible. I hope this was just for introduce Kobayashi in the investigation team. I like the MC, he is different than most protagonist. The comedy doesn't fit with the episode, imo. |
SakaitsuJul 16, 2015 5:41 AM
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