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timbob90210 said: One question I have was why is Shirou able to use a Noble Phantasm? I thought that was exclusive to servants. They're not, but he doesn't actually use a Noble Phantasm anyway here. I mean there are some NP's in UBW but he doesn't "activate" them. Also UBW isn't a Noble Phantasm, it's a Reality Marble. |
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Guilek said: ZA_WAYD said: probably HF hints and some raping up .... but yes most probably cooking :3 LOL yes the fagotry is similar :") |
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Z4k said: Lol this episode was full of bullshit. Archer uses unlimited blade works twice before his supposed death and yet he still has enough mana to help both Rin and Shirou? Then suddenly Shirou is strong enough like a servant? where did this sudden powerup come from? And don't give me the "archer memories" bs because he wasn't this strong in the previous episode. Like I stated last time, the power levels are inconsistent. They never establish it properly and expect you to have the VN knowledge. Another thing is If Gilgamesh had no intention of dying like he stated, then why didn't he use Ea when he was cornered? If Shirou wasn't worthy then how come he easily used it on that giant dickhand last time? smh the plot conveniences are real. 2/5 The only thing good in this episode was the action scenes. Shirou said in the episode, he will lose against any other servant. Like Gil said too fighting for real against Shirou is like admitting defeat.  |
MightyM16 said: kadiro said: ''Sigh'' i guess that's his (Gilgamesh) limits to go up against a protagonist, the plot armour of the protagonist will always stay strong, i guess Akame ga Kill(manga version) is the only place i could hope the villains to win. There was no plot armour, not really Well, the grail came back out of nowhere to stop Gil from killing Shirou. |
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timbob90210 said: One question I have is, why is Shirou able to use a Noble Phantasm? I thought that was exclusive to servants. UBW is not really a proper NP, it's a reality marble specific to Shirou due to his origin... it's a magecraft |
Guilek said: Z4k said: Lol this episode was full of bullshit. Archer uses unlimited blade works twice before his supposed death and yet he still has enough mana to help both Rin and Shirou? Then suddenly Shirou is strong enough like a servant? where did this sudden powerup come from? And don't give me the "archer memories" bs because he wasn't this strong in the previous episode. Like I stated last time, the power levels are inconsistent. They never establish it properly and expect you to have the VN knowledge. Another thing is If Gilgamesh had no intention of dying like he stated, then why didn't he use Ea when he was cornered? If Shirou wasn't worthy then how come he easily used it on that giant dickhand last time? smh the plot conveniences are real. 2/5 The only thing good in this episode was the action scenes. Shirou said in the episode, he will lose against any other servant. Like Gil said too fighting for real against Shirou is like admitting defeat. Explain why he easily used Ea against the dickhand? |
Lollo36 said: MightyM16 said: There was no plot armour, not really Well, the grail came back out of nowhere to stop Gil from killing Shirou. What's worse is Gil stood still with GOB open for a while before the Grail appeared for no reason. |
Lollo36 said: MightyM16 said: There was no plot armour, not really Well, the grail came back out of nowhere to stop Gil from killing Shirou. The Grail already showed interest in Gil, it's not farfetched to think it tried a last desperate attempt before completely disappearing |
Lollo36 said: MightyM16 said: There was no plot armour, not really Well, the grail came back out of nowhere to stop Gil from killing Shirou. At least, Ufo show the Grail wanting to take Gilgamesh in the previous episode. |
 Really nice episode. No more Saber. :) (Well, for now. :/) |
Insertanamehere said: timbob90210 said: One question I have was why is Shirou able to use a Noble Phantasm? I thought that was exclusive to servants. They're not, but he doesn't actually use a Noble Phantasm anyway here. I mean there are some NP's in UBW but he doesn't "activate" them. Also UBW isn't a Noble Phantasm, it's a Reality Marble. Then what was Rider's(Fate/Zero) Noble Phantasm? I figured a reality marble was a class of noble phantasm, like the anti-army, anti-fortress, etc. |
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Z4k said: Guilek said: Shirou said in the episode, he will lose against any other servant. Like Gil said too fighting for real against Shirou is like admitting defeat. Explain why he easily used Ea against the dickhand? High school ginger Japanese and the Grail aren't on the same level. |
Z4k said: Guilek said: Shirou said in the episode, he will lose against any other servant. Like Gil said too fighting for real against Shirou is like admitting defeat. Explain why he easily used Ea against the dickhand? Because that thing is like a servant and Gil already knows the nature of the grail as he had bathed in it in Zero.So,he recognized how dangerous it was.Thats why he wanted to claim the grail for himself |
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Z4k said: Guilek said: Shirou said in the episode, he will lose against any other servant. Like Gil said too fighting for real against Shirou is like admitting defeat. Explain why he easily used Ea against the dickhand? Easily? He was pushed into using EA, unfortunately for him it was too late and he essentally lost against Shirou based on his own terms "the moment I lose is the moment I take you seriously" |
Insertanamehere said: Lollo36 said: Well, the grail came back out of nowhere to stop Gil from killing Shirou. What's worse is Gil stood still with GOB open for a while before the Grail appeared for no reason. He stood around for no reason for most of his screen time in the last episode, I don't think it's OOC for him to waste more time. |
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timbob90210 said: Insertanamehere said: They're not, but he doesn't actually use a Noble Phantasm anyway here. I mean there are some NP's in UBW but he doesn't "activate" them. Also UBW isn't a Noble Phantasm, it's a Reality Marble. Then what was Rider's(Fate/Zero) Noble Phantasm? I figured a reality marble was a class of noble phantasm, like the anti-army, anti-fortress, etc. Actually Rider having that is an asspull because only mages(if you count the living in Nasuverse) can supposedly have Reality Marbles. |
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| Phenomenal... thanks for not screwing the fight up. I enjoyed every second of it. That being said, lol @ making an entire episode for the epilogue. |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
Guilek said: Z4k said: Explain why he easily used Ea against the dickhand? High shcool ginger Japanese and the Grail aren't on the same level. So plot armor saved Shirou. I still see no explanation regarding the Archer which means the adaptation is at fault I guess. |
timbob90210 said: Insertanamehere said: They're not, but he doesn't actually use a Noble Phantasm anyway here. I mean there are some NP's in UBW but he doesn't "activate" them. Also UBW isn't a Noble Phantasm, it's a Reality Marble. Then what was Rider's(Fate/Zero) Noble Phantasm? I figured a reality marble was a class of noble phantasm, like the anti-army, anti-fortress, etc. Rider (F/Z) NP is special There is even a conversation about this F/Z |
Z4k said: Guilek said: High shcool ginger Japanese and the Grail aren't on the same level. So plot armour saved Shirou. I still see no explanation regarding the Archer which means the adaptation is at fault I guess. you conveniently ignored the other two replies GG |
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laidellent said: Z4k said: Explain why he easily used Ea against the dickhand? Because that thing is like a servant and Gil already knows the nature of the grail as he had bathed in it in Zero.So,he recognized how dangerous it was.Thats why he wanted to claim the grail for himself Gil's arrogance ( his estabilished character trait) saved Shirou |
timbob90210 said: Insertanamehere said: They're not, but he doesn't actually use a Noble Phantasm anyway here. I mean there are some NP's in UBW but he doesn't "activate" them. Also UBW isn't a Noble Phantasm, it's a Reality Marble. F/Z things in spoilers pls A Reality Marble is giving shape to the casters mind. It's magecraft, not a NP. |
guyklc said: Phenomenal... thanks for not screwing the fight up. I enjoyed every second of it. That being said, lol @ making an entire episode for the epilogue. Give me a kiss scene, that's all I want, Ufo. You can fill the rest with Sakura screaming "senpai!" and crying. |
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laidellent said: Z4k said: So plot armour saved Shirou. I still see no explanation regarding the Archer which means the adaptation is at fault I guess. you conveniently ignored the other two replies GG What? I was writing while those two replies were posted. It still doesn't change anything. |
| Too bad the pacing wasn't like this for Shirou and Archers fight. |
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| Archer is a fucking badass! |
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| The funny thing is that in this anime t3h arr0gant Gil wasn't even properly presented as arrogant and careless himself. It's just VN readers compensating by their VN knowledge. |
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TokonatsuYuu said: MightyM16 said: It's probably due to your prior knowledge of F/Z Saber is different in F/SN due to a lot of things, especially because she has a better relationship with her master, so she isn't brooding all the time and getting worked up about things Okay but she's still cuter than usual in this episode. x) lel XD |
TrueKirei said: This made my fucking day lol Tokoya said: My god.... Between some people randomly throwing out the word asspull and Fai and the Salt Brigade assuming that everyone else but himself is brain dead and cannot comprehend what's happening in front of their eyes/cannot read, I dunno which is more disgusting Like come on man....Really? Your hate is that strong lol?  I cba to respond to the other two guys but you guy's posts also made me laugh xD |
DawnJ said: The funny thing is that in this anime t3h arr0gant Gil wasn't even properly presented as arrogant and careless himself. It's just VN readers compensating by their VN knowledge. A guy who left because he was going to dirty his clothes with the fire is arrogant and careless. |
DawnJ said: The funny thing is that in this anime t3h arr0gant Gil wasn't even properly presented as arrogant and careless himself. It's just VN readers compensating by their VN knowledge. " the moment I take you seriously is when I lose" "I will leave this place because I'm getting dirt, and I consider the state of my clothes above you mongrels " " Let me play with you till Saber gets here" lel what what have you been watching? |
ooo333 said: Its a shame how Rider pretty much didnt get any air time in this anime. I think it really hurt them in the end. Wait for Heaven's Feel XD !! There are three routes for a reason, some servants get shafted in one route and shine in another |
| Animation was great and it felt really epic. Yet they failed to explain why Archer appeared again and it may seem like deus ex machina to anime only viewers. Rho Aius was also like afterthought. And for some reason, parting scene didn't have the impact it should have. Well, at least they are giving us an epilogue with brand new scenes. |
DawnJ said: The funny thing is that in this anime t3h arr0gant Gil wasn't even properly presented as arrogant and careless himself. It's just VN readers compensating by their VN knowledge. Even the powerlevels aren't established properly and they expect you to know everything. Archer uses his reality marble twice, got stabbed by some of Gilgamesh's weapons and he still has mana to last long enough to help both Rin and Shirou. |
| Finally watched the episode, pretty awesome. Have no real complaints except I wish they hadn't blown the budget on the first cour, Gilgamesh vs Shirou had some funny animation at times :/. Also casting the reality marble really lacked any impact. Apart from those two issues it was an amazing episode, excellent use of music (apart from when casting the reality marble). |
| The more I think about the details in this episode, the more I feel like I shouldn't give it a 10/10. Time to stop thinking. |
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Guilek said: A guy who left because he was going to dirty his clothes with the fire is arrogant and careless. That would suffice as mysophobia, not mongrelphobia. Actually, F/Z Gil's arrogance(by the arrogance that fate fans make him to be) is shown by much more clearer actions and lines. MightyM16 said: " the moment I take you seriously is when I lose" "I will leave this place because I'm getting dirt, and I consider the state of my clothes above you mongrels " " Let me play with you till Saber gets here" lel what what have you been watching? That's just typical arrogant shounen villain except the second one. Yup, "Gil lost because of his personality" doesn't appeal much in this UBW anime. |
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| They could have paced it better, last 10 minutes felt like a race, also LOL at random grail giant thing. Overall 7/10 as long as they don't cram Saber's ending in the Epilogue |
MightyM16 said: Lollo36 said: Well, the grail came back out of nowhere to stop Gil from killing Shirou. The Grail already showed interest in Gil, it's not farfetched to think it tried a last desperate attempt before completely disappearing Well, actually... this one was pretty logical. Remember that Gil was engulfed by the grail in the last war, he had parts of its curse inside him. So you can see it as grail's one last attempt to open the portal again. |
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BobDiesel said: very good episode but i really have some issues with the series as a whole, well one main thing I don't get. Can someone please explain to me how archer is still alive. He got butchered by Gilgamesh before. How is he still alive? I'm so confused It's not explained in the anime but to completely ensure the death of a servant. They have to destroy their spiritual core. Dat + IA. I understand that it still feel like an asspull though. Even in the VN. |
BobDiesel said: very good episode but i really have some issues with the series as a whole, well one main thing I don't get. Can someone please explain to me how archer is still alive. He got butchered by Gilgamesh before. How is he still alive? I'm so confused Are you baka ? |
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BobDiesel said: very good episode but i really have some issues with the series as a whole, well one main thing I don't get. Can someone please explain to me how archer is still alive. He got butchered by Gilgamesh before. How is he still alive? I'm so confused Gilgamesh can't aim :D  |
WuBoyBR said: BobDiesel said: very good episode but i really have some issues with the series as a whole, well one main thing I don't get. Can someone please explain to me how archer is still alive. He got butchered by Gilgamesh before. How is he still alive? I'm so confused Are you baka ? translator's note: baka means fool |
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Mich666 said: MightyM16 said: The Grail already showed interest in Gil, it's not farfetched to think it tried a last desperate attempt before completely disappearing Well, actually... this one was pretty logical. Remember that Gil was engulfed by the grail in the last war, he had parts of its curse inside him. So you can see it as grail's one last attempt to open the portal again. That's actually a cool explaination, didn't think about it. I don't know if it's exactly in line with the lore, but that was the last of Ufo's worries when making this episode XD. |
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Lollo36 said: Mich666 said: Well, actually... this one was pretty logical. Remember that Gil was engulfed by the grail in the last war, he had parts of its curse inside him. So you can see it as grail's one last attempt to open the portal again. That's actually a cool explaination, didn't think about it. I don't know if it's exactly in line with the lore, but that was the last of Ufo's worries when making this episode XD. Except it is wrong. Gil has ABSOLUTELY nothing from that and Gil was absolutely NOT affected by it. The only reason Grail targeted him was for another try to get a magus to plug into, even though Gil is not a magus so it would not work anyway. Grail is not a "person". It has no "interests". frenze12 said: What was said in this episode: The Reality Marble is a natural counter to Gilgamesh, allowing Shirou, a below average magus, to completely overwhelm and defeat him. Though Shirou would be no match against other servants, who have mastered their own weapons to the utmost limit, the fact that both he and Gilgamesh are "owners" of numerous weapons places them on a level playing field Shirou is able to instantly recognize dozens of weapons being fired from the Gate of Babylon at an extremely high rate and instantly counter with projections of the same weapons before they can strike. What actually happened: Shirou beating Gilgamesh through highjumping with his Rho Aigis surfboard! Yeah the narrative dissonance is one of BIGGEST flaws of this adaptation Lancer: "You are smart, kid" *Shirou procceeds to do dumb shit and be dense" Archer: "Wow Shirou is fighting by pure will and not skill and barely standing on his feet!" *Shirou parkours around* Caster and Rin: "Wow Fighting against Caster is impossible for modern day magus" *Caster runs away from gandrs...* The show really fucked up in "Showing not telling" of pretty much everything. |
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Lollo36 said: Mich666 said: Well, actually... this one was pretty logical. Remember that Gil was engulfed by the grail in the last war, he had parts of its curse inside him. So you can see it as grail's one last attempt to open the portal again. That's actually a cool explaination, didn't think about it. I don't know if it's exactly in line with the lore, but that was the last of Ufo's worries when making this episode XD. Ufo with the Grail's hands did try to foreshadow what happens to him at the end. |
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