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pkKodama said: black1blade said: We don't know if that is true. The idea in fate is that the person who was named Sasaki Koijirou and the guy who used the Nodachi (I forget the name) where different. If the sword the real Koijirou used had no renowned, then the heroic spirit couldn't exist either as there would be nothing extraordinary about his existence. Well, if the existence of a man who died in 1612 is so doubtful, I fail to see what makes Gilgamesh and even Hercules(seriously?) genuine. I know this is just a fictional work but still, they could have had more criativity if they wanted to give his character more depth while still being coherent... They both come from the age of the gods. In the nasuverse the myths are mostly true (basically where all their magical powers come from). |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Z4k said: GradationAir said: lolno Toyko Ghouls anime is bad simply because the source material is bad. I see. Then the reason F/SN anime is trash simply because the source material is bad. Damn that explains everything. Yes, that's exactly the case. |
FanEu said: Forgetfulness said: Maybe because that's not how you're supposed to go through the Fate/ series. Woah So go through the bad stuff first and then watch the good series? Definitely should have done that but UBW spoils too much Well of course part 2 of a 3 part story wont be as good as a full thematic story. The VN as a whole is better than zero. The routes are pretty meh stand alone without the context of the other routes. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
FanEu said: GradationAir said: lolno Toyko Ghouls anime is bad simply because the source material is bad. No Yes. You don't even need the source material to see how badly written the plot is. |
GradationAirJun 13, 2015 1:49 PM
| did ufotable run out of budget? |
FanEu said: Z4k said: I see. Then the reason F/SN anime is trash simply because the source material is bad. Damn that explains everything. Indeed it does, considering this is already the second major adaption (First my Deen and now Ufotable) and still VN fans say "this isn't accurate, go play the VN its soo much better" Maybe the VN just isn't that good or it just doesn't translate well into the Anime medium If you do th vn, you won't said "maybe it's bad" but: -It is bad -It is good -It is average -etc And you'll have a real opinion. |
| the VN is mediocre and the anime is even worse next there will be a giant fucking tentacle coming out of the grail to rape everyone |
| Anyone know if the last ep is going to be an hour long? I can't see them wrapping everything up in 23 minutes :/ |
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lucjan said: Anyone know if the last ep is going to be an hour long? I can't see them wrapping everything up in 23 minutes :/ There's two episode left. |
FanEu said: Z4k said: I see. Then the reason F/SN anime is trash simply because the source material is bad. Damn that explains everything. Indeed it does, considering this is already the second major adaption (First my Deen and now Ufotable) and still VN fans say "this isn't accurate, go play the VN its soo much better" Maybe the VN just isn't that good or it just doesn't translate well into the Anime medium To be an amazing single anime then it would have to be a 50-75 episode epic. Each of the routes fully adapted, with bad ends and all. Unfortunately, ufo don't have an unlimited budget reality marble. UBW serves the purpose of developing shirou and archer (and rin to an extent). It is just part of a whole. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Guilek said: lucjan said: Anyone know if the last ep is going to be an hour long? I can't see them wrapping everything up in 23 minutes :/ There's two episode left. Unless MAL added the wrong episode count, there should only be 1 episode left. |
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lucjan said: There are two more episodes. No double lengths.Anyone know if the last ep is going to be an hour long? I can't see them wrapping everything up in 23 minutes :/ |
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Botato said: lucjan said: There are two more episodes. No double lengths.Anyone know if the last ep is going to be an hour long? I can't see them wrapping everything up in 23 minutes :/ So there's 13 episodes in total? Somebody should add the correct episode count to the series page then. |
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lucjan said: Guilek said: There's two episode left. Unless MAL added the wrong episode count, there should only be 1 episode left. It is episode 11 and MAL say 13 episode. |
| Nevermind, I just realized I was looking at s1's page. My bad. sorry for being retarded. |
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black1blade said: pkKodama said: Well, if the existence of a man who died in 1612 is so doubtful, I fail to see what makes Gilgamesh and even Hercules(seriously?) genuine. I know this is just a fictional work but still, they could have had more criativity if they wanted to give his character more depth while still being coherent... They both come from the age of the gods. In the nasuverse the myths are mostly true (basically where all their magical powers come from). Well at least Gilgamesh is said to have existed but Hercules is nothing but a fictional character. My point is that if the problem is about lack of documentation then Sasaki is the last one whose existence should be doubted. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| I was resisting myself to answer... Blergh, screw it. FanEu said: So go through the bad stuff first and then watch the good series? Definitely should have done that but UBW spoils too much UBW actually "spoils" only how the 4th HGW ended and that Kirei killed Tokiomi. And that's because it is very important to see how Shirou and Rin ended up in their respective situations. Plus, latter "spoiler" is so telegraphed in Zero that it's not even the twist. FanEu said: Maybe the VN just isn't that good or it just doesn't translate well into the Anime medium Nah. Biggest issue with adaptations was dealt with at the start by adapting each route as separate anime; after that, story is fairly linear. Problems with anime don't stem from few major issues, but tons of little issues scattered through the whole anime, piling up into one big pile of disappointment. fst said: It's still underwhelming by comparison. Sadly, I agree with you; ufoUBW is underwhelming. Don't get me wrong, 1st cour is good even with its issues, but 2nd cour is simply... underwhelming. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
VsegdaZdec7 said: No, actually. |
| i like how the opening summerized saber vs assassin: 2 exchanges. also did rin get to shinji that easily in the VN? i don't remember. |
| all other archers pale in comparison. |
FanEu said: precisely, first the bad stuff(ubw) then the good series(hf).Forgetfulness said: Maybe because that's not how you're supposed to go through the Fate/ series. Woah So go through the bad stuff first and then watch the good series? Definitely should have done that but UBW spoils too much |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
| i thought this was a good eps |
MostRealArcher said: i like how the opening summerized saber vs assassin: 2 exchanges. also did rin get to shinji that easily in the VN? i don't remember. iirc yes she did, it's the coming out of the blob that was the problem. |
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Forgetfulness said: FanEu said: Okay, I'm just going to try to convince you because it's fairly obvious at this point that any sort of explanation is not going to get through to youSo go through the bad stuff first and then watch the good series? Definitely should have done that but UBW spoils too much Stop being condescending. What if he doesn't waste enough time on the internet to know every detail about Fate? |
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| the opening did Saber x Assassin better It was still a fine episode though... |
| *gets crushed under mountain of salt in thread* |
Shintai said: Same salt by the same people, nothing new here. They'll go out of business from over production.*gets crushed under mountain of salt in thread* |
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KamiCity said: Shintai said: Same salt by the same people, nothing new here. They'll go out of business from over production.*gets crushed under mountain of salt in thread* the price of salt will crash due to the glut of production and it's all downhill from there... |
KamiCity said: MostRealArcher said: i like how the opening summerized saber vs assassin: 2 exchanges. also did rin get to shinji that easily in the VN? i don't remember. iirc yes she did, it's the coming out of the blob that was the problem. it was before that, getting to Shinji was the problem as I remember her having a tough time navigating through the black sludge |
 All credit goes to Sacred. |
| Just as power is not raw strength, the stronger one is not always the winner. Diverse factors play their role here like fighting spirit or desire to win. Gilgamesh's strength comes from his pride, but because of that he cannot fight seriously against lower level threats. If he were to take Shirou seriously from the start, then his pride would lower, therefore his overall strength will lower. |
| Regardless of how people feel about the show, it would be nice to come to these threads and not see everyone act so fucking childish, condescending and in general just down right shitty towards each other. |
FireEmblemIke24 said: I'll have to reread it again, i don't remember there being much before she found him but I could be wrong.KamiCity said: iirc yes she did, it's the coming out of the blob that was the problem. it was before that, getting to Shinji was the problem as I remember her having a tough time navigating through the black sludge Shintai said: Regardless of how people feel about the show, it would be nice to come to these threads and not see everyone act so fucking childish, condescending and in general just down right shitty towards each other. Yea I know what you mean, but sadly most people here just love to shitpost and spark things because they're angry for whatever reason. |
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KamiCity said: Yea I know what you mean, but sadly most people here just love to shitpost and spark things because they're angry for whatever reason. see I think you're missing something a certain detail about who said persons include it might be rather important |
Insertanamehere said: KamiCity said: Yea I know what you mean, but sadly most people here just love to shitpost and spark things because they're angry for whatever reason. see I think you're missing something a certain detail about who said persons include it might be rather important Why? It's just a general observation, no need to point fingers. |
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xenovibe said: Z4k said: Yup, just like Tokyo GhoulI see. Then the reason F/SN anime is trash simply because the source material is bad. Damn that explains everything. Yeah I know man it explains why F/SN is terrible. |
| Kojirou STILL best assassin. Gil VS Shirou - Part 1 was ok, Is always good to see Shirou get beaten ~ Next episode is time to UNLIMITED ORANGE SKY WORKS. /jk |
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Start reading the discussion Good job VN wankers making this forum a place where you can discuss the anime, and not the VN->anime /s |
xenovibe said: Z4k said: Yup, just like Tokyo GhoulI see. Then the reason F/SN anime is trash simply because the source material is bad. Damn that explains everything. The TG anime is definite trash, fuck Pierrot. The manga is eh okay not the masterpiece some claim it to be, same with F/SN. mrdkreka said: Start reading the discussion Good job VN wankers making this forum a place where you can discuss the anime, and not the VN->anime /s Who's salty now? |
Drake1000Jun 13, 2015 3:01 PM
SirJayce said: I find it funny that you've neither read F/Z nor read F/SN yet you are claiming that the prequel is far superior to the main series. I mean adaptation wise you might have a point, but I have yet to see that many, if any, people claim that the LN is superior to the VN. Which, since you are talking about the quality of the writing, is the only thing you can judge it by.overall quite ironic that a prequel written by another person is far superior to the main series. This is talking out of ignorance. I mean there are many reasons an adaptation could be done wrong. Mediocre director, bad screenwriters, the source material being split into 3 alternate storylines, ect. Also Urobuchi wrote the LN AND Screenwrote the anime, giving him a big advantage because he was screenwriting his own things so he knew what to focus on. Nasu did not screen write the anime, someone else did, meaning that while Nasu did put input it and wrote some material for it, it was ultimately done by someone elses POV. Nasu also cowrote the material for F/Z with urobuchi, Urobuchi even claiming that about 90% of the LN was done using Nasu's ideas, characters, ect. Urobuchi just put those things together |
KamiCityJun 13, 2015 3:12 PM
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| It was so satisfying seeing Shinji like that. And that arm was just.....gross. Also, the fight between Saber and Assassin seemed kind of underwhelming |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
Ryouri said: Kojirou STILL best assassin. Gil VS Shirou - Part 1 was ok, Is always good to see Shirou get beaten ~ Next episode is time to UNLIMITED ORANGE SKY WORKS. /jk judging by ep 21 it would be unlimited blue sky works. |
| all other archers pale in comparison. |
SirJayce said: black1blade said: That's exactly what some people say about fate. The people who say this is shit because it is different from zero are wrong. Stay night was never meant to be like zero. well it should be. f/z was great, this is alright so far but quite a significant loss in quality. still enjoyable with a few really good episodes but that's about it. sure the vn might have been better (never read it) but i highly doubt that some added monologues would have made rin or beta-shinji more interesting. i mean cmon your average vn reader would probably hardly even notice any difference between anime and vn. overall quite ironic that a prequel written by another person is far superior to the main series. its funny you didnt read the source and already talk bullshit and you know that urobutcher only wrote what nasu told him 90% of zero was nasu idea because most of them was already in FSN |
KamiCity said: SirJayce said: I find it funny that you've neither read F/Z nor read F/SN yet you are claiming that the prequel is far superior to the main series. I mean adaptation wise you might have a point, but I have yet to see that many, if any, people claim that the LN is superior to the VN. Which since you are talking about the writing, is the only thing you can judge it by.overall quite ironic that a prequel written by another person is far superior to the main series. This is talking out of ignorance. I mean there are many reasons an adaptation could be done wrong. Mediocre director, bad screenwriters, the source material being split into 3 alternate storylines, ect. Also Urobuchi wrote the LN AND Screenwrote the anime, giving him a big advantage because he was screenwriting his own things so he knew what to focus on. Nasu did not screen write the anime, someone else did, meaning that while Nasu did put input it and wrote some material for it, it was ultimately done by someone elses POV. Nasu also cowrote the material for F/Z with urobuchi, Urobuchi even claiming that about 90% of the LN was done using Nasu's ideas, characters, ect. Urobuchi just put those things together Urobuchi wasn't the FZ anime's script writer Forgetfulness said: I'm fairly certain I've seen him in this forum before and people have explained stuff to him but he still acts as if it wasn't explained to him. I'm sorry if that's the case |
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mrdkreka said: Start reading the discussion Good job VN wankers making this forum a place where you can discuss the anime, and not the VN->anime /s Stardust Crusaders (spoilers) |
xShigarakix said: its funny you didnt read the source and already talk bullshit and you know that urobutcher only wrote what nasu told him 90% of zero was nasu idea because most of them was already in FSN He didn't even mention Urobuchi or Nasu, what does this have to do with anything? Are you implying that every work from the same writer has to have the same quality? Edit: I can't read, I'm dumb. |
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